swofro wrote:I did search around gleamers company financial stuff months ago but I can't remember the 20% thing. Probably because I didn't dig in deeper (or only skim read. Haha) or anything
fancy_nancy wrote:idk if someone has already mentioned this here but Louise has a book/diary i honestly don't know what it is but on the cover there's like a collage of her instagram photos and d&p are on it not once but twice interesting.
swofro wrote:Reviving this dying thread.
What is up with Gleamers (Joe, Alfie, Marcus) suddenly do livestreams all in the same week. And Joe said it's gonna be a regular thing. Is it a Gleam strategy to keep their viewers interested in them?
my demon phannie self wanna says that gleam stole the idea from deppy haha
uglyamerican wrote:Caspar Lee has been slowly introducing a girlfriend to his subscribers.... it will be interesting to see has this affects his numbers.
misakichan274 wrote:My apologies in advance in case this comes across as too ignorant or obvious for me to not know but I've only recently started watching Zoe (the only person apart from Louise I know from the Gleam team). I've heard of the process of her writing and editing the third book in the vlogs and as someone new, only saw the support, comments and immense sales and was wondering what the hype was about the series. I don't know why or how the allegations of her not writing the books came about? Has she addressed them? How are they still being sold?
Birdie wrote:misakichan274 wrote:My apologies in advance in case this comes across as too ignorant or obvious for me to not know but I've only recently started watching Zoe (the only person apart from Louise I know from the Gleam team). I've heard of the process of her writing and editing the third book in the vlogs and as someone new, only saw the support, comments and immense sales and was wondering what the hype was about the series. I don't know why or how the allegations of her not writing the books came about? Has she addressed them? How are they still being sold?
I’m not 100 percent sure on the details here but I think it came out because of Zoe’s own thank you note in the book. She thanked Siobhan Curham for being there every step of the way. Some people then checked Curham’s blog (she’s a writer in her own right) and found a blog post where she stated she had to write 80k words in six weeks (which is, by the way, a lot, oh my god). The fans figured out that this matched the length of “Girl Online” and the time it was written. I don’t think it’s really been confirmed that Curham was talking about “Girl Online”, could have been another book, but Zoe and her publishers then admitted that she hadn’t written the book on her own. How much she wrote and how much Siobhan Curham wrote isn’t really clear though.
Could be that Zoe only created the storyline and characters and Curham did the hard work. Could also be that Zoe wrote the bulk of the story and Curham just fleshed it out because Zoe had never written a book before and they wanted it to be good. I think nobody really knows how much Zoe actually wrote of the book. I’ve got strong opinions on this – not on having a ghostwriter but on trying to take the whole credit for “Girl Online” – but basically there was massive backlash when this came out because of course Zoe’s fans felt betrayed.
The books are still being sold because having a ghostwriter is not a crime. Siobhan Curham has said that she didn’t want credit for writing “Girl Online” so that’s that. I still wish Zoe would have been honest about not having written the whole book herself. If Curham didn’t want her name involved she could’ve just said that there was a ghostwriter. But yeah, basically she didn’t do anything wrong or even forbidden. She was just dishonest and a lot of fans were disappointed. I don’t know if Siobhan also worked on the two sequels or if Zoe wrote those herself though.
Here are two articles from way back when this happened: x x
What’s the hype about the series… I think it’s basically just Zoe’s name on the cover. It’s a cute YA story about a girl with anxiety but it’s not very original and I doubt it would have outsold Harry Potter, had it not been written by Zoella. Siobhan Curham’s novels under her own name never did this well even though they’re similar stories and obviously written in a similar style too. I’m not sure how I feel about this. On the one hand I think “Girl Online” is completely overhyped and it’s not fair that Zoe’s getting all this hype over a mediocre YA book just because of her name. On the other hand a lot of teenagers and kids who were reluctant readers read the book because they wanted to read Zoella’s novel and it got them into reading. That’s a good thing to come out of this for sure. The only thing I really despise about this is how Curham's own novels will never be as successful as "Girl Online" because she's not famous. They're good books.
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