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Re: Dan and Phil political/social comments

PostPosted by Stakhanov » Sun Apr 10, 2016 8:16 am

It's impressive how little we know about where Phil stands on political and societal issues, really. They sure try to avoid any sort of controversy, except maybe a few issues like LGBT rights/ racism which they must feel strongly about and of which they know their audience agrees with. That's at least how it comes across for me.

I can understand their position to keep their political views for themselves. It is not the focus of their channel. I think they also very mindful that a lot of their viewers are young or may react very visceral and emotional to anything they say.
But damn I do hope they change their minds and speak out more freely about what they think of things.
Regardless of how they see their own content, the fact is that they have a lot of cultural influence and they would not be shouting in the desert. If i were in such a position, I would like to make an impact by informing and even advocating for the things I believe in and feel passionate about. It would make them more real, in my eyes.

Especially with Dan (same could be true for Phil but he's running a tight ship) I feel like he does have an interest in the news, politics and society. I just think he fears the possible backlash or thinks that he ought to have a 100% solid, informed opinion that cannot be debated before he dares expressing himself.

I think this video is quite revealing [YouTube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkn4PyzG2yU&nohtml5=False[/YouTube]
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Re: Dan and Phil political/social comments

PostPosted by jaej » Sun Apr 10, 2016 9:05 am

i can't back this up (literally when can i im awful im sorry) but i used to have charlieskies on facebook (loads of people did) and in 2012 he posted stuff about the US election and was talking about how he hated Romney. someone commented that he'd voted conservative in 2010, he replied that it was only 'because Phil did it' and i can't even scroll back to check this because i blocked him on the site a couple of years ago lmao sorry
other than that... they both seem pretty pro-queen? probably phil more so than dan, but it seemed a bit weird to me. it could because of where i live in the UK, but they definitely didn't seem like the type of people here who support a monarchy
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Re: Dan and Phil political/social comments

PostPosted by greatnessflicker » Sun Apr 10, 2016 9:12 am

Stakhanov complete agree with everything you said :thanks:

Especially with Dan (same could be true for Phil but he's running a tight ship) I feel like he does have an interest in the news, politics and society. I just think he fears the possible backlash or thinks that he ought to have a 100% solid, informed opinion that cannot be debated before he dares expressing himself.


We saw this especially with his explanation of his oscar's tweet. What follows is a poorly transcribed version of the waffle he goes on here starting around 35:00
"What I was saying with my tweet, i'm not saying it was perfectly articulate--I wrote in like six seconds and there was a character limit, so sorry if I said something wrong or if it wasn't perfect--but what I was trying to say with my tweet about the oscars--obviously the real winners were the ones who won awards--but what I was trying to say with that six-second impulsive tweet was, I just thought it was really amazing or just great that so many things got loads of visibility. Literally a billion people watch the oscars, right? all around the world. And for people to just in whatever shape or form bring up conversations about race and sexuality and abuse and Leo with the climate change and this, that, and the other. It was just amazing. Cause the oscars doesn't have to be like that, its just an awards show to award some movies, and it can be like it was in previous years [...], it can just be an entertaining show. I just thought it was really cool that these things got exposure. Some people were like "we don't need to here about these things," but you need to understand, we are young people that are savvy and go on the internet and get exposed to other people's opinions and therefore have a lot of critical thinking and input, and so what seems normal to us...its extremely depressing what the average amount of humanity is like. The average amount of sexism, racism, transphobia, ignorance around the world...you don't want to know. So the fact that a billion people were forced to think about things is cool.


From this, I get two main take-aways. 1) Dan is very concerned with how he voices his opinions and how it comes off because he doesn't want to offend 2) he thinks that award shows don't have an obligation to be political, so we should be thankful when they do. Along this line, I think he thinks, in general, that entertainment has no obligation to take on social issues, so I think that's how he comes to terms with the fact that he has this whole opportunity to give these causes more exposure but doesn't in fear of backlash: he's here to entertain people. But when he does say something political, it is a Statement.

Still doesn't stop me from wanting him to branch out from sort of "safe" issues (safe, that is, on their circle of the internet), as you said Stakhanov

jaej wrote:i can't back this up (literally when can i im awful im sorry) but i used to have charlieskies on facebook (loads of people did) and in 2012 he posted stuff about the US election and was talking about how he hated Romney. someone commented that he'd voted conservative in 2010, he replied that it was only 'because Phil did it' and i can't even scroll back to check this because i blocked him on the site a couple of years ago lmao sorry
other than that... they both seem pretty pro-queen? probably phil more so than dan, but it seemed a bit weird to me. it could because of where i live in the UK, but they definitely didn't seem like the type of people here who support a monarchy


Wow. Very interesting, even though I'd take what Charlie says with a grain of salt. [Insert magnifying glass and disembodied eye emojis here]

Quick q: Is there a vocal movement in the UK to get rid of the monarchy? While I can see why that could be a political issue, wouldn't even a lot of liberal people still want to keep the monarchy in place because of tradition?
I always thought D&P referencing the queen was to play up their British image. Hmm.
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Re: Dan and Phil political/social comments

PostPosted by jaej » Sun Apr 10, 2016 9:30 am

[quote="greatnessflicker]

Quick q: Is there a vocal movement in the UK to get rid of the monarchy? While I can see why that could be a political issue, wouldn't even a lot of liberal people still want to keep the monarchy in place because of tradition?
I always thought D&P referencing the queen was to play up their British image. Hmm.[/quote]
definitely! a lot of people, less so in england, just see them as pointless money guzzlers who represent a very outdated society, especially with the overtly conservative views of the older members, plus they're unelected and incredibly privileged by birth right. i'd love to hear what they actually think of a monarchy and not just 'lol the queen!!'
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Re: Dan and Phil political/social comments

PostPosted by Stakhanov » Sun Apr 10, 2016 9:52 am

Quick q: Is there a vocal movement in the UK to get rid of the monarchy? While I can see why that could be a political issue, wouldn't even a lot of liberal people still want to keep the monarchy in place because of tradition?
I always thought D&P referencing the queen was to play up their British image. Hmm.


That's exactly what i suspect. You see a lot of youtubers trying to represent the quintessential Brit. Supporting the monarchy seems to be part of that image. The queen I guess is also just one of the few topics you can reference that people of all countries -especially americans- will recognize as 'British'.

Wear a monocle and mention tea- the Queen - British candy ... all in a strong accent, and you got you're usual 'look at me being british' shtick.

If i remember correctly, there was a poll about support for the monarchy a year or two back at the celebration of 50 years of her reign and it came down to something around 80-90 % support?

Even in my divided country (Belgium), with all the struggles between the flemish and walloon communities and 30 or so of flemish people voting for a party that ultimately wants Flanders to be independent, there's still majorities of around 70% of people who support the monarchy. The king is considered as on of the few people who can actually play to role of 'impartial arbiter' in things like who to give the initiative to form a government after an election. That role is of course much more important in a proportional election system where the national vote is split in 8 major parties divided among linguistic and ideological lines and where they need to balance the government accordingly, so that reason for supporting the monarchy in Britain might be moot.
But yea, you would expect progressives to be republican instead of supporting an undemocratic medieval hereditary system I don't support it ;-)
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Re: Dan and Phil political/social comments

PostPosted by greatnessflicker » Sun Apr 10, 2016 10:05 am

jaej wrote:definitely! a lot of people, less so in england, just see them as pointless money guzzlers who represent a very outdated society, especially with the overtly conservative views of the older members, plus they're unelected and incredibly privileged by birth right. i'd love to hear what they actually think of a monarchy and not just 'lol the queen!!'

Fascinating! The idea of a monarchy in the 21st century never made sense to me but I always said to myself that 1) I'm not from England so I can't possibly understand the nuances of it, especially since the queen doesn't have many real powers anyway, 2) If I ever vocalized that, I'd just sound like another american thinking that the only way you can have democracy is by following the american way, which i definitely don't believe! I also heard that the monarchy actually makes for the country during marriages/births of royals? but i'm sure that cant possibly negate the taxpayer cost of keeping the family's lifestyle going.

Anyways, at the risk of becoming off-topic, yes! I would love to know what they think about the queen. Or any head of state or head of government, other than when Dan joked that "there's just no Obama in the UK."

That's exactly what i suspect. You see a lot of youtubers trying to represent the quintessential Brit. Supporting the monarchy seems to be part of that image. The queen I guess is also just one of the few topics you can reference that people of all countries -especially americans- will recognize as 'British'.

Wear a monocle and mention tea- the Queen - British candy ... all in a strong accent, and you got you're usual 'look at me being british' shtick.

Which is unfortunate. But I'm glad the internet is moving beyond the whole anglophile movement that I observed a few years back. Ohh and don't forget doctor who. that was a big marker of being british back then.

Even in my divided country (Belgium), with all the struggles between the flemish and walloon communities and 30 or so of flemish people voting for a party that ultimately wants Flanders to be independent, there's still majorities of around 70% of people who support the monarchy. The king is considered as on of the few people who can actually play to role of 'impartial arbiter' in things like who to give the initiative to form a government after an election. That role is of course much more important in a proportional election system where the national vote is split in 8 major parties divided among linguistic and ideological lines and where they need to balance the government accordingly, so that reason for supporting the monarchy in Britain might be moot.
But yea, you would expect progressives to be republican instead of supporting an undemocratic medieval hereditary system I don't support it


Wow. This is so interesting. Thanks for your input, I'll need to brush up on my non-existant knowledge of other European governmental structures. There isn't an analogy in the United States I don't think, but I can see why people would be hesitant to get rid of something that has very little negative political consequences but a whole lot of (positive) cultural significance.
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Re: Dan and Phil political/social comments

PostPosted by mez29 » Sun Apr 10, 2016 12:08 pm

There's a fairly big group called Republic that campaigns in favour of abolishing the monarchy, but they never get much press coverage. The BBC and other institutions are very fond of the queen. And it's true that the general level of support for her is high. Even among lefties a lot of people like her, as she's generally seen as a nice old woman who doesn't do anything bad. Things would probably be different if it were her husband who was king, as he has said a lot of racist stuff. People don't like Prince Charles (the heir to the throne) either, as he has weird views about art and likes interfering with how companies are run, so attitudes towards the monarchy may change once he becomes king (if he ever does, as he's already in his late sixties).
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Re: Dan and Phil political/social comments

PostPosted by daphenaxa » Sun Apr 10, 2016 7:24 pm


obviously joking but hey, I take what i am given.


I never really felt they were pro Queen (or not pro queen for that matter). they have referenced her quite a lot but always in a jokey way or in moment they wanted to appear stereotypically British. Do you have examples where they seem pro queen ?
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Re: Dan and Phil political/social comments

PostPosted by daphenaxa » Tue Apr 12, 2016 4:24 pm

digs from oqua and spaceguitar in the main:

- "these gender rolls taste disgusting" on his tumblr
http://danisnotonfire.tumblr.com/post/98239288149/these-gender-rolls-taste-disgusting

-giving to charities
he liked this post about the Kony video debacle and the invisible children inc.
http://thedailywhat.tumblr.com/post/18909727859/on-kony-2012-i-honestly-wanted-to-stay-as-far that basically says don't support "charities" without knowing what they are really standing for and where your money is going.

I think it is really interesting because he did an actual main channel video about shocking charity adverts
. It was not as deep as the post and not touching all the subjects that the post covers but it was clearly a criticism of the usage of really shocking and disturbing images to affect the viewers and make them give money irrationally instead of thinking it through and researching before giving.
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Re: Dan and Phil political/social comments

PostPosted by Stakhanov » Wed Apr 13, 2016 1:30 pm

Thanks for those links Daphenaxa. I hadn't seen the 2011 vid about gving to charities. It's like you brought me new content :P btw could you imagine Dan doing a video like this today? It fills me with great sadness that i presume a video idea like this would immediately get axed by him.

I think he touches an open nerve with the video. The debate has been raging in many NGO's on whether shock ads and misery porn are an ethical or good way to encourage people to give. Clearly, he thinks it isn't and I'd agree. It's good to see him like that tumblr post, it shows he kept a skeptical mind through the whole hype and that he appreciated quality information from quality sources.

But hey, i already knew he was a smart cookie :number1:

As for the Bernie tweet... well we're nearing the end game. The New York democratic primary is on 19 april. Lot's of delegates up for grabs on 26 april too (mostly in New England)
Winning big in NY and CA is now absolutely required for Sanders to even have a chance, imo.
I hope he does it but I don't see it happening :( The latest polls aren't pointing to an upset. The polls might have been wrong in Michigan, but there's a lot more polls for NY and they're more recent.
He just seems to be stuck 10- 15 percent of the vote.

Anyone who thinks he might still pull it of? Do you think the 'political revolution' has started and that a grassroots movement is going to slowly build up and reform the Democratic party from within? I'm ready to grasp at straws here ;)

ps: this is a handy site i use to track the delegate count: http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/democrats/
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Re: Dan and Phil political/social comments

PostPosted by daphenaxa » Thu Apr 14, 2016 2:57 pm

On the subjects of animals, to go with his rant about hamsters in cages,
Dan saying he is strongly against fishballs @11:17



for Bernie, idk. I hope he pulls through. But Clinton seems to be winning NY and I think that would be the end. I watch the young turks channel on yt quite a bit and they still think he can pull it off but they are crazy partisan too.
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Re: Dan and Phil political/social comments

PostPosted by bberry » Thu Apr 14, 2016 6:21 pm

jaej wrote:other than that... they both seem pretty pro-queen? probably phil more so than dan, but it seemed a bit weird to me. y



Yeah I always got that feeling too. Although I agree with greatnessflicker that it could be to play up their "britishness" what even is english
Anyways I don't think that they relate pro-queen to pro monarchy, I don't know how to explain this, but I get the feeling that they threat the queen from the popular/british culture aspect and not the political one. As in they suport the idea of the queen but not necessarily the monarchy(?)
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Re: Dan and Phil political/social comments

PostPosted by daphenaxa » Fri Apr 15, 2016 10:46 am

i am a bit grasping at straws for some of these but I don't care because OPINIONS. Give me all the opinions because opinions Dan is bae

about ecology (kinda?)
- don’t litter on the beach @2:45
- recycling going on in the Dan and Phil house


Dan about awards
@16:45 to 22:05


Dan: bullying in school
note that he doesn't state his opinion but asks question about what policy to adopt


online bullying
- anon hate/phandom drama

quite a relevant video at the moment ahah ;)

- opinions

- the internet is mean

- nicer internet debate


youtube culture: crediting/tag videos (about Phil and the 7sc challenge)
@0:55
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Re: Dan and Phil political/social comments

PostPosted by phamnotof » Mon Apr 18, 2016 1:37 pm

daphenaxa wrote:
obviously joking but hey, I take what i am given.


I never really felt they were pro Queen (or not pro queen for that matter). they have referenced her quite a lot but always in a jokey way or in moment they wanted to appear stereotypically British. Do you have examples where they seem pro queen ?


Oh I never saw this Bernie comment! Interesting. I so wanna know how much he keeps up with the election, like I'm a Hillary girl myself, but I would still give anything for him to talk passionately about his Bernie love & get angry at the election system. I'm so hoping he does in a LS someday, they'll be in the thick of it til the end of the primary now.
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Re: Dan and Phil political/social comments

PostPosted by jhamba » Mon Apr 18, 2016 8:31 pm

daphenaxa wrote:for Bernie, idk. I hope he pulls through. But Clinton seems to be winning NY and I think that would be the end. I watch the young turks channel on yt quite a bit and they still think he can pull it off but they are crazy partisan too.


I hate the young turks. I think Cenk Ugyurc is kind of gross, and extremely annoying. They're not very well researched, either. Anna Kasparian could be good if she stopped sucking up to Cenk, but I don't see that happening
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Re: Dan and Phil political/social comments

PostPosted by daphenaxa » Tue Apr 19, 2016 3:06 am

jhamba wrote:
daphenaxa wrote:for Bernie, idk. I hope he pulls through. But Clinton seems to be winning NY and I think that would be the end. I watch the young turks channel on yt quite a bit and they still think he can pull it off but they are crazy partisan too.


I hate the young turks. I think Cenk Ugyurc is kind of gross, and extremely annoying. They're not very well researched, either. Anna Kasparian could be good if she stopped sucking up to Cenk, but I don't see that happening


I agree about Cenk his sexist jokes are so annoying and he is kinda gross. Anna is ok but my favourite is John Iadarola. I think he is great. The comedian who is really on the left is kinda good too. I agree they are not well research on international subjects at all but on the US primaries I like their recaps
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Re: Dan and Phil political/social comments

PostPosted by hunnyftw » Tue Apr 19, 2016 10:33 am

John is good, I agree. I also sometimes like to listen to Ben Mankiewicz because I think he often challenges the rest of the panel's opinions. Especially his discussions with John can be interesting. But if by "comedian who is really on the left" you mean Jimmy Dore, then here we part our ways :lol: For me he's the least well-researched out of all of them and his jokes are usually even worse than Cenk's sexist remarks, and that's saying something.

To keep it somehow d&p related: do you guys remember Phil ever expressing any interest in politics? The smallest, tiniest remark? I've been trying to remember anything for the last couple of mintues and nothing comes to mind but maybe you have better memories/archiving skills.
But even if you can think of one or two examples, it's probably safe to say that they're a very rare occurance. Why is it so, in your opinion? Is it a case of this topic not fitting his public image or is it a case of him just not caring about politics at all? Tbh I hate both of these options equally :rofl:
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Re: Dan and Phil political/social comments

PostPosted by IckleMissMayhem » Tue Apr 19, 2016 11:10 am

Can I offer an option C: he doesn't want to potentially exert any influence over anyone in the audience, OR D:who you choose to vote for whether individual MP or political party is kind of a personal/private decision, or it can be to some. - it's the same vibe I got from Dan when he was discussing it during the LS following the general election last year - he made a joke out of NOT having voted Conservative or UKIP, but didn't elaborate further. And that's perfectly fine with me.
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Re: Dan and Phil political/social comments

PostPosted by hunnyftw » Tue Apr 19, 2016 11:44 am

Oh, I think that options C and D can be placed somewhere under my "doesn't fit his public image" umbrella term, they're just worded nicely and imply that he genuinely wouldn't feel comfortable with a public image of some kind of "politic influencer".
I see now that the "doesnt fit his public image" thing might've suggested a calculated move on his part, but that wasn't my sole intent. With that term I wanted to suggest both a possibility of a calculated business decision and a possibility of him genuinely feeling uncomfortable with influencing others... aaaand I failed. Thank you for making me realise that :rofl:
Anyway, obviously he must do what he feels most comfortable with. It's just that, as a politics nerd myself, I can't stop thinking it's a shame and also that it would be possible for him to express some interest in politics without guiding his audience in specific direction too much.
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Re: Dan and Phil political/social comments

PostPosted by daphenaxa » Tue Apr 19, 2016 12:44 pm

honestly I think it goes beyond not fitting his public image and not wanting to influence people. Imo he is not interested in politics at all. If he was interested, without really discussing it, he would have talked about going to vote or you know even one mild commentary about something. He has very scarcely said stuff about LGBTQ or gender identity, so even if it is not something he wants to discuss, I think it is something that he is interested about or you know involved with even superficially. So i just think he is not into politics at all like Dan seems to be.
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Re: Dan and Phil political/social comments

PostPosted by spider » Tue Apr 19, 2016 5:08 pm

daphenaxa wrote:honestly I think it goes beyond not fitting his public image and not wanting to influence people. Imo he is not interested in politics at all. If he was interested, without really discussing it, he would have talked about going to vote or you know even one mild commentary about something. He has very scarcely said stuff about LGBTQ or gender identity, so even if it is not something he wants to discuss, I think it is something that he is interested about or you know involved with even superficially. So i just think he is not into politics at all like Dan seems to be.

Always got the feeling that Phil might have somewhat controversial opinions that don't fit in with his image so he avoids saying anything about politics. This is mostly because of the Confession Roulette where Dan said he and Phil disagree on a lot of things. But it might just be that he isn't concerned about politics. That makes sense.
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Re: Dan and Phil political/social comments

PostPosted by daphenaxa » Thu Apr 21, 2016 1:14 pm

Ok i am back with more Dan :garbage: danislove danislife danisopinionated

- on British Empire history
pillage of other cultures (mummies at British museum)@19:30


remark on the Commonwealth games @ 29:50

- on women
uncomfortable with "rape culturish" portrayal of women in anime @1:01:42

(OT @58:36 "i still love you even if you are an atheist")

girls should be nice to girls @24:32


degree of sexualness in clothing (about Rihanna) @52:40


on Taylor Swift, "nothing wrong with a girl having lots of boyfriends" @1:04:45

- on 5th of November (Dan would never burn a fake Guy Fawkes with "his future family")@34:48

also that liveshow is gold if you have an hour to spare...

- What do you think of Chick-fil-A? @45:20

- on different concepts
difference between wiseness and intelligence @46:35


the concept of "best" is stupid @34:15

another amazing liveshow

- On Russia (especially the booing at Eurovision)@44:40

- On "bloody Benjamin Cook" (youtube culture kinda + "dont argument on twitter") @48:15

- others

@44:35 "talk about the fiscal cliff"(he doesn't) + Angelina Jolie's mastectomy
@51 oral hygiene, liking the dentist (present for the dentist enthusiasts, recurring theme from Dan)
@54 why is everyone so obsessed with sexuality?


also other things I remember he said in liveshow but that I didn't find yet. If you have any of those, gimme :platonic: :stan:
- he thought Matilda the musical was a bit sexist
- remark on Friends' problematic jokes
- terrified of American TV/news
- on comedians and irreverent jokes
- on the proposition from a UK politician to have a ministry for mental health (and him being surprised they don't have that yet)
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Re: Dan and Phil political/social comments

PostPosted by mez29 » Fri Apr 22, 2016 4:54 pm

Should this thread be moved to the new "compilations and references" subforum? :cheer:

Anyway, I had a look at who :D&P: are following on twitter today to see what politics-themed accounts turn up, and this is what I found:

Dan
UK politics
@jeremycorbyn (newish leader of the Labour party, more leftwing than the party has been in recent years and therefore controversial, also the guy who created the shadow minister for mental health post, I wish he were my dad)
@OwenJones84 (journalist, leftwing, Corbyn supporter, writes in the Guardian and also makes YouTube videos for them, looks about 16, is actually one of my favourite people and if you want me to enthuse about him for hours just let me know :garbage: )
@Number10gov (official prime minister's account, not particularly political but just gives out official government news mostly)
@johnprescott (retired Labour party MP, ex-deputy prime minister, moderately leftwing, strong twitter game that consists mainly of throwing shade at tories, interesting choice for Dan to follow when he's not following any other MPs other than jez)

US politics
@SenSanders
@BernieSanders (both of these are official accounts)
@FLOTUS
@POTUS (like @Number10gov, I guess these two aren't necessarily that political)
Other
@Greenpeace
@wikileaks
(+ a few charities, including Comic Relief/Sport Relief which are big fundraising events mostly led by the BBC that use comedy to raise money for disadvantaged children)

Phil
@POTUS (that's literally it not even joking)
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Re: Dan and Phil political/social comments

PostPosted by hunnyftw » Sat Apr 23, 2016 5:32 am

Haha mez, thank you for that. It strenghtens the theory that Phil is just not that into this whole politics business.



I find the 19:30-20:00 moment that daphenaxa brought up both hilarious and quite interesting. Dan comes in with a thought-provoking and valid point about the British pillaging some of the showpieces and Phil swiftly brings it back to the lighter subject with his "I'm just fascinated by the cultural differences" comment :rofl:
Maybe it's too much to draw any conclusions from this snippet but I can't help but see it as an interesting little insight into different ways that their brains work: Dan being likely to see and (self)reflect on the negative aspects of a situation/behaviour while Phil being more interested in the strangeness of things. This is a massive simplification but hey, that's where my brain goes :)

Of course it's also possible that Phil changed the subject because Cat was filming the conversation and he wanted to spare her having to deal with any possible controversy in the comments of her video.
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Re: Dan and Phil political/social comments

PostPosted by greatnessflicker » Thu May 05, 2016 5:17 am

^ thanks for that hunnyftw! I remember seeing it awhile ago and loving dan's response, but I forgot all about it.

So, twitter tells me it is Election Day in England! As D&P are in America, I don't think we'll be getting another instagram pic like this one (under a spoiler as it is large):
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(I find it so funny that Dan is wearing his American flag sweater b/c America = DEMOCRACY, just like England = THE QUEEN)

So, million dollar question. Do you think Dan cares that much about politics that he sent an absentee ballot (does England even have absentee ballots like in America)? Or was part of that selfie just for the image it projects of himself? It is one thing to care enough about politics to go out and vote, it is another to make arrangements to vote ahead of time.
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