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Re: Evan Edinger

Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 12:00 am
by Birdie
I think if it's Evan's way of coping with his loss than that's okay. I just felt Tomska's joke was still a bit out of line, even though Evan seems to be okay with it. I feel like it's different for him to joke about it himself if it makes him feel better or helps him come to terms with what has happened but at the same time other people should maybe be a bit more considerate. This could have gone wrong easily. I don't know, Tomska's jokes (and the ones by other people following it) just rub me the wrong way in a way Evan's way of using humour as a coping mechanism didn't even though Evan seems to be okay with it.

That being sad, I like Evan's videos. He's funny and they're usually pretty thoughtful. I like Evan. I know a lot of you don't like him because of his attitude towards Dan and Phil but I don't think it's as bad these days (I wasn't around when the drama went down a few years ago though and I don't really know what exactly happened).

Re: Evan Edinger

Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 3:25 pm
by flarequake
I just watched this and it's horribly sad that he can't do anything about it anymore. Knowing Tomska's humour, I'm sure it's all to cheer Evan up and so he knows his friends are there.

Re: Evan Edinger

Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 7:08 pm
by Galactic-Howell
dollicious wrote:
Reizam wrote:Oof. This is pretty sad.

i don’t usually watch evan, but i actually liked this video (kind of reminded me of the relationship i have with my dad so).

there is one thing i really didn’t like though. he mentioned using humor as a coping mechanism saying “you can’t say that, my dad just died." using humor as a coping mechanism is a very common and understandable thing to do but it seemed as if he was saying in this video that he was doing this before he could come to terms with it. in the last minute of the video where he says he “began to feel something and cry” 2 weeks after the fact, he probably accepted the death more and wouldn’t make jokes about it. i honestly liked the message he was trying to convey in the video a lot but he contradicts himself by continuing to joke about his dad’s death. obviously everyone deals with this kind of thing differently but i feel he somehow contradicts the sincerity of this video when he does continue to joke about it like he did today.

i’m going to put the jokes from twitter he and tomska made today under a spoiler because it is pretty long:
tom made a joke about the video evan posted to which evan didn't really seem to mind. after other people reacted to tom's joke saying this comment was inappropriate he made a pun :facepalm:. after, connie also makes a joke about it being the new tag video :?. then, sammy posts a picture of both evan and tom laughing about the "drama."
i know this is really long winded it just struck me the wrong way for him to continue to make jokes about it after watching the video :sideeye:.


This video struck a chord with me - I feel like this is one of the only times that we have really seen honest/open Evan. It was refreshing, even though the circumstances are awful.

Additionally, as someone who has a rocky relationship with their father (for entirely different reasons) I relate.

Re: Evan Edinger

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:05 am
by dollicious
i know i'm just being salty rn but evan "edit that phan out" edinger back at it with unnecessary d&p mention in his content :roll:.

i know other people have discussed this already, it just bothers me that he says he actively puts effort into editing out d&p so people watch his content for him and then instead goes out of his way to mention them all the time. this joke was literally 3 seconds of his vlog but it was so unnecessary smh.

"dan lester"
excuse the shitty screenshot, clip from at 2:29-2:32 in the video.
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Re: Evan Edinger

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 5:04 am
by fancybum
The thing with Evan isn't about avoiding mentioning D&P, it's just pettiness about views. On that vyou1 vid with Dan eating the ice cream, him and Dodie have (or at least had, I don't want to dig through all the comments to find them) comments going "this has X views? lolwut". The actual video of his that that clip was taken from has way less views (Dan licking ice cream has +330k views, Evan's vlog has 33k).

He'll mention D&P all damn day though, he just won't show them so his vids don't get co-opted by people that don't care about his actual content (but then again those people won't be watching or appreciating his work anyway, so I'm not sure what he's actually accomplishing. But whatevs).

Unrelated, but how bad is his video about his dad? Like hypothetically if I'm an easy crier and not doing well emotionally rn hypothetically, will it make me cry (and therefore I probably shouldn't watch it)? help me

Re: Evan Edinger

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 6:41 am
by sweetmm
fancybum wrote: Unrelated, but how bad is his video about his dad? Like hypothetically if I'm an easy crier and not doing well emotionally rn hypothetically, will it make me cry (and therefore I probably shouldn't watch it)? help me
You may cry at the very end, he did.

Re: Evan Edinger

Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 11:55 am
by hmm
papierklemmen wrote:
anathema wrote: Image
who.... even is this? that rumour must be deep underground i'd never heard of it :lol:
haha am a big fan of lucy moon's (highly recommend), but tbh have never heard her name in the same sentence as dan's so that tweet seems pretty attention seeking :sideeye:

Re: Evan Edinger

Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 1:05 pm
by flarequake
hmm wrote:
papierklemmen wrote:
anathema wrote: Image
who.... even is this? that rumour must be deep underground i'd never heard of it :lol:
haha am a big fan of lucy moon's (highly recommend), but tbh have never heard her name in the same sentence as dan's so that tweet seems pretty attention seeking :sideeye:
I took that tweet as just an observation at how funny it is. I don't think every youtuber who ever mentions them is attention-seeking especially if it's just once. I don't get very deep in tumblr so I haven't seen what she's referring to either, but enough fics out there seem to bring in whoever, it seems possible.

Re: Evan Edinger

Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2016 3:03 am
by fancybum
Ugh this guy. I don't have any time right now but I'm registering fresh annoyance for the public record. This fucking guy. I'm hardcore side-eyeing Tomska for hanging with him lately, like have more self respect please, I trusted him.

Re: Evan Edinger

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 2:13 am
by buttrito
just relating back to past comments in this thread im glad some ppl can relate to the cringe parts of evan.

I found him off of younow and really enjoyed his content but once he started with the dan and phil stuff and the whole pun branding it made me lose interest so fast.

Re: Evan Edinger

Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 6:56 am
by captainspacecoat
Can I revive this thread to talk about his new video?


There's something so uncomfortable and inappropriate to me about two white people lecturing about how to respond to white supremacy/racism in general. I couldn't disagree more with them about Richard Spencer getting punched, and was kind of taken aback by Evan's hesitance to label him as a nazi. The guy is literally a nazi, he has appropriated nazi terminology and has advocated for the genocide of Black and Jewish people- people should punch nazis to their heart's content Evan!!!!!

Then there was his total ignorance surrounding the left and their failure to live up to their supposed 'love is love' tolerance for all, when I would argue that that's more of a centrist, neoliberal position. I consider myself pretty left-leaning, but I fully endorse punching nazis and think minorities in particular have absolutely no obligation to respect the people who advocate against their right to freedom/safety/life.

Then he went on about how we shouldn't judge people based on who they vote for, and gave the example of someone voting Tory based on their financial policies. As though conservative financial policies aren't inherently detrimental to poor people, and as though any poor person should respect someone for voting against their best interests, or as though any immigrant should forgive someone for voting for a party that would advocate for them to leave the country.

And then the icing on the cake, he pulls the reverse racism card. Yiiiiikes.

Anyway this has been a rant, that video severely lessened any respect I had for Evan. I just don't understand what was going through their minds when they decided a video made by two white people about how to respond to racism would go down well ...

Re: Evan Edinger

Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 1:58 pm
by thephandommenace
What the... I can't. I can't fucking believe him.

Okay, I've just come from seeing stupid people on my Facebook making similar remarks. Some guy was telling my ex-classmate, who made a passionate status about how men should listen to women when they say 'no', that they "shouldn't make angry posts because it makes 'neutral' people think all feminists are raging lunatics who need a man to put them on a leash". I mean????? There's obviously so much wrong with that comment, but I noticed a correlation there between that and Evan's video. It's oh so easy to sit back and think "why y'all gotta be so angry and 'violent', why can't you just have a calm discussion" from your position of privilege, when you've obviously never experienced what these people are going through. Calm discussion doesn't always work. And some people definitely deserve to be punched in the face. ESPECIALLY if they're spreading the kind of message that POC should be killed. Who's being more harmful here?

I have too many incoherent emotional feelings about this but long story short, Evan needs to sit his ass down and shut the hell up. I'm angry today, can you tell? I'm not gonna apologise for it though.

Re: Evan Edinger

Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 2:55 pm
by nephilimcat
Jeez, if he wants to talk about this stuff, get an actual POC as your discussion partner instead of another white person. Sure, there are probably some POC who agree with this for some reason, but apart from that, you don't make a video like that from your privileged perspective. I can't stand straight people doing this, so I can imagine how it must feel for POC to see this :?

It's so easy to say things like "Punching someone, even a nazi, isn't okay" when you don't have to fear for your life, that was honestly my first thought as well. But I quickly realised that if someone doesn't listen to you at all or threatens your life or someone else's, then there's hardly another way!? Punching someone in the face before ever having a discussion with them or knowing anything about them just because they say something stupid isn't the way to go about it because some people just don't know better and need to be educated. But nazis don't listen, nazis tend to be violent themselves, nazis only understand the language of violence. Sometimes you can't do anything but punch someone. Even I have to admit that, as a person who is against violence.

I'd be careful about doing something that might get you in trouble though. You don't want to get your life ruined because of someone like that. Especially looking at the justice system and how it tends to favour white people :?

Re: Evan Edinger

Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 11:39 pm
by Birdie
I already lost some respect for him when he made that mess of a video during the US election, refusing to vote for Hillary and stuff. He changed his mind about that later so I didn't give it too much thought. But this new video... damn. I feel like Evan has a really hard time realising when it's time to talk and when it's time to sit and listen. People just need to realise that sometimes their opinions aren't the most important ones and this vid is a prime example of that. I agee that he should have partnered up with someone who wasn't white for this, if he really wanted to make this video. It might have given him an opportunity to listen and understand. But instead we got a video of two white people not realising how privileged they are and offering absolutely nothing of value to the discussion. Well done, Evan.

I'm done with Evan for now, I think. This video put me off him for good. His reluctance to call Spencer a nazi made me really angry actually. Why are people more uncomfortable with calling out nazis than with actual nazis spouting nazi ideology? :( Man, this is just sad. I hope there's going to be some backlash that gets Evan thinking like it did with his election video but I'm not counting on it.

Re: Evan Edinger

Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:17 am
by captainspacecoat
Katka wrote:
I'm done with Evan for now, I think. This video put me off him for good. His reluctance to call Spencer a nazi made me really angry actually. Why are people more uncomfortable with calling out nazis than with actual nazis spouting nazi ideology? :( Man, this is just sad. I hope there's going to be some backlash that gets Evan thinking like it did with his election video but I'm not counting on it.
This really disturbed me as well. Describing him as "bad-leaning" was just so vague, and then he implies that Richard Spencer "didn't do anything violent" as he was "just talking" - as though speech itself can not be a form of violence. Implying that calling Richard Spencer a nazi is unfounded is just so ignorant given that that is not a title RS shies away from and he has literally re-appropriated nazi language and incited hate-speech against Jewish people and POC. If someone fits the definition of a nazi, it is okay to call them a nazi.

They even said that people refer to him as a nazi because "it makes them feel better about doing it [punching him]". God, it's just so condescending for two white people to sit there and tell people that literal hate-speech is "nuanced", as though POC should critique the way they react to racism.

Re: Evan Edinger

Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 4:27 pm
by Birdie
Did anyone see Evan's new video on his demisexuality? I liked it quite a lot. I'm not his biggest fan anymore after that horrible video on political correctness but his new video on his sexuality was very honest and genuine and really helped me understand why it's hard for him to talk about his sexuality and how shitty some people can be when it comes to sexualities on the ace spectrum. I feel like I learnt something from that vid and I'm sorry Evan had to go through that.


Re: Evan Edinger

Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 5:07 pm
by somethingsketchy
Katka wrote:Did anyone see Evan's new video on his demisexuality? I liked it quite a lot. I'm not his biggest fan anymore after that horrible video on political correctness but his new video on his sexuality was very honest and genuine and really helped me understand why it's hard for him to talk about his sexuality and how shitty some people can be when it comes to sexualities on the ace spectrum. I feel like I learnt something from that vid and I'm sorry Evan had to go through that.
I also liked this video and am glad you brought it up! It was interesting to hear how coming out has affected him, especially since his experience has been more negative than many other Youtubers'. He also explains really well why he feels uncomfortable being seen as a spokesperson for demisexuals after his coming out video gained popularity. I can warmly recommend the video to everyone interested in these topics because, like Katka, I feel like I gained some valuable insight by watching it.

Re: Evan Edinger

Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 11:09 pm
by onetruetrash
I saw the video too! I think Evan needs to get some better friends.

Re: Evan Edinger

Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:44 pm
by Birdie
Evan made another video, with a bisexual girl and gay guy this time, talking about the LGBTQ community, bisexual erasure, ace exclusion and queer discourse. I like it quite a lot and I'm glad Evan uses his platform for stuff like this as well now. I agree with a lot that was said actually and I'm actually quite impressed with Evan (and his guests) for making this video.


Re: Evan Edinger

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 4:47 pm
by onetruetrash
Did y'all see his video "Ungrateful YouTubers"? Like, how entitled can you get?

Re: Evan Edinger

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:34 pm
by Birdie
I don't know, I liked it. I don't think Evan seemed entitled at all. I mean, in the beginning I was like "what the fuck" but then he said he didn't really think that stuff (troll). He made some really good points about creator-viewer relationships actually and about why it's not okay for creators to take their fans for granted. I really like his point of view on this a lot. It's a good video with a lot of good thoughts in it and I think it's brave he made it because this is the kind of thing a lot of creators don't really wanna talk about.

(Also Evan's video background looks so pleasing? I love the design of his bedroom.)

Re: Evan Edinger

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:27 am
by onetruetrash
Katka wrote: Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:34 pm I don't know, I liked it. I don't think Evan seemed entitled at all. I mean, in the beginning I was like "what the fuck" but then he said he didn't really think that stuff (troll). He made some really good points about creator-viewer relationships actually and about why it's not okay for creators to take their fans for granted. I really like his point of view on this a lot. It's a good video with a lot of good thoughts in it and I think it's brave he made it because this is the kind of thing a lot of creators don't really wanna talk about.

(Also Evan's video background looks so pleasing? I love the design of his bedroom.)
I posted on the GG thread and it basically sums up my problem with it.
onetruetrash wrote:
Radcorrie wrote:I don't know how to add images into a thread but basically, I just commented this on his new video:

This is your job though, it doesn't matter if your freelance or not. You've promised fans that you'll upload so you have to. It's okay to take breaks if you have a VAILD REASON to do so (eg: bad mental health day). You just let your fans know that you won't be uploading today and give them a reason if you can. Simple. Easy. I've heard that it takes a certain famous youtuber five minutes to edit his daily vlogs. So when he tells his fans that a video won't be uploaded today (often close to the time he normally uploads a video & without a proper reason), it just feels a bit rude and unfair. Like this is what we pay you to do basically, without us you wouldn't be where you are today. The least we deserve is a video, right? BUT I TOTALLY GET IF UR HAVING A SHITTY DAY OKAY? Also, I think sharing personal stuff is fine but the issue is when people start oversharing & use YouTube more as a dairy instead of a work platform. A lot of people watching YouTubers are young and they may misdiagnose themselves or get trigged by the oversharing. Being a YouTuber is still a new thing and we are still working through the kinks of it, I think more conversation between the YouTuber and the fan is needed!

And then he commented:

"uhm. I don't need a "VALID REASON" to take a break... from uploading videos. I can literally do whatever I want. Also no way in hell does it take anyone 5 minutes to edit. Even my simplest travel vlog will take me about an hour with this one in particular coming in at 2 hours. Also... what? You do not pay us to do anything??? Like at all? You watch things we make. You are not "deserving" or entitled of anything."

Two hours?? Really?? My mother and boyfriend both work freelance in the media industry, both of them work their butts off and they earn peanuts compared to what he earns for editing a video in two hours.
"I don't need a VALID REASON to take a break" lmao so it's okay if someone is just being lazy. For example, let's take Dodie. She just did VEDA and did 16 out of 31 days. How many mental health days does the girl need? If she really is that mentally ill, she needs way more than some "mental health days". I know she's busy and all of that, but then why did she even say she was gonna do VEDA in the first place? I also don't recall her giving any explanation as to why she failed at VEDA so horribly. Fans will begin to feel like she just doesn't care. Sure, go ahead, don't give a reason, but be prepared to lose fans because they don't wanna just be seen as a paycheck.
Also this post
aaa123 wrote:why are all youtubers in denial about the fact that viewers provide them with their livelihoods? evan (or any other youtuber for that matter) can go right ahead and stop uploading videos. no one will give a shit. they'll just have to give up their lifestyles that they can only afford due to viewers and work full time at a 9-5 job like a normal person. the only one who will be negatively affected is them. how out of touch with reality are these people?

if you're treating youtube as a job then imo you should probably act like it. that means doing things when you say you're going to unless you have a good reason like being sick. most youtubers don't act like they're doing a job yet still expect people to consider youtube to be a career. they can't have it both ways, if they want youtube to be acknowledged as a job they need to start acting like it.

Re: Evan Edinger

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:49 am
by fancybum
onetruetrash wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:27 am
Katka wrote: Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:34 pm I don't know, I liked it. I don't think Evan seemed entitled at all. I mean, in the beginning I was like "what the fuck" but then he said he didn't really think that stuff (troll). He made some really good points about creator-viewer relationships actually and about why it's not okay for creators to take their fans for granted. I really like his point of view on this a lot. It's a good video with a lot of good thoughts in it and I think it's brave he made it because this is the kind of thing a lot of creators don't really wanna talk about.

(Also Evan's video background looks so pleasing? I love the design of his bedroom.)
I posted on the GG thread and it basically sums up my problem with it.
onetruetrash wrote:
Radcorrie wrote:I don't know how to add images into a thread but basically, I just commented this on his new video:

This is your job though, it doesn't matter if your freelance or not. You've promised fans that you'll upload so you have to. It's okay to take breaks if you have a VAILD REASON to do so (eg: bad mental health day). You just let your fans know that you won't be uploading today and give them a reason if you can. Simple. Easy. I've heard that it takes a certain famous youtuber five minutes to edit his daily vlogs. So when he tells his fans that a video won't be uploaded today (often close to the time he normally uploads a video & without a proper reason), it just feels a bit rude and unfair. Like this is what we pay you to do basically, without us you wouldn't be where you are today. The least we deserve is a video, right? BUT I TOTALLY GET IF UR HAVING A SHITTY DAY OKAY? Also, I think sharing personal stuff is fine but the issue is when people start oversharing & use YouTube more as a dairy instead of a work platform. A lot of people watching YouTubers are young and they may misdiagnose themselves or get trigged by the oversharing. Being a YouTuber is still a new thing and we are still working through the kinks of it, I think more conversation between the YouTuber and the fan is needed!

And then he commented:

"uhm. I don't need a "VALID REASON" to take a break... from uploading videos. I can literally do whatever I want. Also no way in hell does it take anyone 5 minutes to edit. Even my simplest travel vlog will take me about an hour with this one in particular coming in at 2 hours. Also... what? You do not pay us to do anything??? Like at all? You watch things we make. You are not "deserving" or entitled of anything."

Two hours?? Really?? My mother and boyfriend both work freelance in the media industry, both of them work their butts off and they earn peanuts compared to what he earns for editing a video in two hours.
"I don't need a VALID REASON to take a break" lmao so it's okay if someone is just being lazy. For example, let's take Dodie. She just did VEDA and did 16 out of 31 days. How many mental health days does the girl need? If she really is that mentally ill, she needs way more than some "mental health days". I know she's busy and all of that, but then why did she even say she was gonna do VEDA in the first place? I also don't recall her giving any explanation as to why she failed at VEDA so horribly. Fans will begin to feel like she just doesn't care. Sure, go ahead, don't give a reason, but be prepared to lose fans because they don't wanna just be seen as a paycheck.
Also this post
aaa123 wrote:why are all youtubers in denial about the fact that viewers provide them with their livelihoods? evan (or any other youtuber for that matter) can go right ahead and stop uploading videos. no one will give a shit. they'll just have to give up their lifestyles that they can only afford due to viewers and work full time at a 9-5 job like a normal person. the only one who will be negatively affected is them. how out of touch with reality are these people?

if you're treating youtube as a job then imo you should probably act like it. that means doing things when you say you're going to unless you have a good reason like being sick. most youtubers don't act like they're doing a job yet still expect people to consider youtube to be a career. they can't have it both ways, if they want youtube to be acknowledged as a job they need to start acting like it.
My reaction to everything under the spoilers here is literally:
onetruetrash wrote: Mon Sep 04, 2017 4:47 pm Like, how entitled can you get?
These attitudes are all Peak Entitlement. A valid reason is whatever the person thinks is a valid reason. 'Being lazy' would be a valid reason because if they don't feel like doing something... they literally don't have to? Because they've chosen a career where they dictate for themselves what they do and when they do it. And that comment about Dodie and mental health is frankly disgusting. I get the frustration with expecting something when you've been told to expect it and then not getting it, but Dodie even said she would try to do/finish veda, not that it would 100% happen. And what if something private is going on behind-the-scenes (as Evan mentioned) that they don't want to explain to the audience? In that case they're not really in a position to give a "valid reason" to the audience even if they did owe them one (which... nope). They're not working for you, they're working for themselves and if people not uploading regularly enough like good little content robots isn't cool with you, then go ahead and take your views elsewhere. If you think you're their boss and they're doing a shitty job, then fire them and be done with it rather than whining about what they owe you and when and how much. Like.

And I'm not saying just be grateful for what you get because that's equally weird in another direction, but people on YT or wherever else, content creators in general, are not your dancing monkeys. You are literally not paying them as if you and you alone are responsible for their livelihoods- they've most likely spent years growing an audience/community through varying degrees of hard work (and a fuck load of luck, yes) to hopefully get to a point where they can relax a bit or take more time for themselves when they feel like it (at least on-screen, who knows how much else they've got going on business-wise that they don't show. Maybe appearing to 'be lazy' for not uploading on schedule is because of a bunch of busywork offline). If you can't stand the very idea of somebody not bowing down to you and your expectations of them just because you watch their uploads and want more, then you'd probably both be better off by disengaging. Demanding somebody do something because you want it and think you're owed it, when they don't agree, doesn't lead to anything positive on either side. Nobody needs that. If enough people get fed up with them to really dent their income, then... yay..? But more likely they'll be just fine because their income isn't just based on views (and honestly I'd love to see exactly how many of the people claiming to be paying YTers bills have adblock on anyway), but on merch/spons/tours/etc (which are all income streams that depend on an established audience they've already put in the work to cultivate) and at least specifically in Evan's case, an 'actual' job on the side as well.

I don't even know how related this actually is, but I've been thinking about this all day:
(tw for disordered eating mention around 4:30-50)

The part most specifically relevant to all of this starts @ 5:50
Now obviously he's got his own personal shit going on that goes beyond the creative block some people tend to bring up when explaining why they're not posting much or whatever, but like. Is this what we need to see every time somebody doesn't post their weekly/etc video? Is something like this a valid enough reason? Or is it just more laziness? Is there a scale somewhere that decides what counts as a valid enough reason for people to be able to dictate their own self-employed schedules and priorities without having to grovel and explain and apologize when those things don't align with the priorities of the audience?
Sure, go ahead, don't give a reason, but be prepared to lose fans because they don't wanna just be seen as a paycheck.
Also this is just kind of funny because in one ear the creators are being told 'Do X because I'm paying your bills, be grateful to me and give me what I expect from you because I'm the reason you have any money' and in the other 'Don't just think of me as a paycheque'.
...Which one is it?

Re: Evan Edinger

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:41 am
by onetruetrash
fancybum wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:49 am
onetruetrash wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:27 am
Katka wrote: Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:34 pm I don't know, I liked it. I don't think Evan seemed entitled at all. I mean, in the beginning I was like "what the fuck" but then he said he didn't really think that stuff (troll). He made some really good points about creator-viewer relationships actually and about why it's not okay for creators to take their fans for granted. I really like his point of view on this a lot. It's a good video with a lot of good thoughts in it and I think it's brave he made it because this is the kind of thing a lot of creators don't really wanna talk about.

(Also Evan's video background looks so pleasing? I love the design of his bedroom.)
I posted on the GG thread and it basically sums up my problem with it.
onetruetrash wrote:
Radcorrie wrote:I don't know how to add images into a thread but basically, I just commented this on his new video:

This is your job though, it doesn't matter if your freelance or not. You've promised fans that you'll upload so you have to. It's okay to take breaks if you have a VAILD REASON to do so (eg: bad mental health day). You just let your fans know that you won't be uploading today and give them a reason if you can. Simple. Easy. I've heard that it takes a certain famous youtuber five minutes to edit his daily vlogs. So when he tells his fans that a video won't be uploaded today (often close to the time he normally uploads a video & without a proper reason), it just feels a bit rude and unfair. Like this is what we pay you to do basically, without us you wouldn't be where you are today. The least we deserve is a video, right? BUT I TOTALLY GET IF UR HAVING A SHITTY DAY OKAY? Also, I think sharing personal stuff is fine but the issue is when people start oversharing & use YouTube more as a dairy instead of a work platform. A lot of people watching YouTubers are young and they may misdiagnose themselves or get trigged by the oversharing. Being a YouTuber is still a new thing and we are still working through the kinks of it, I think more conversation between the YouTuber and the fan is needed!

And then he commented:

"uhm. I don't need a "VALID REASON" to take a break... from uploading videos. I can literally do whatever I want. Also no way in hell does it take anyone 5 minutes to edit. Even my simplest travel vlog will take me about an hour with this one in particular coming in at 2 hours. Also... what? You do not pay us to do anything??? Like at all? You watch things we make. You are not "deserving" or entitled of anything."

Two hours?? Really?? My mother and boyfriend both work freelance in the media industry, both of them work their butts off and they earn peanuts compared to what he earns for editing a video in two hours.
"I don't need a VALID REASON to take a break" lmao so it's okay if someone is just being lazy. For example, let's take Dodie. She just did VEDA and did 16 out of 31 days. How many mental health days does the girl need? If she really is that mentally ill, she needs way more than some "mental health days". I know she's busy and all of that, but then why did she even say she was gonna do VEDA in the first place? I also don't recall her giving any explanation as to why she failed at VEDA so horribly. Fans will begin to feel like she just doesn't care. Sure, go ahead, don't give a reason, but be prepared to lose fans because they don't wanna just be seen as a paycheck.
Also this post
aaa123 wrote:why are all youtubers in denial about the fact that viewers provide them with their livelihoods? evan (or any other youtuber for that matter) can go right ahead and stop uploading videos. no one will give a shit. they'll just have to give up their lifestyles that they can only afford due to viewers and work full time at a 9-5 job like a normal person. the only one who will be negatively affected is them. how out of touch with reality are these people?

if you're treating youtube as a job then imo you should probably act like it. that means doing things when you say you're going to unless you have a good reason like being sick. most youtubers don't act like they're doing a job yet still expect people to consider youtube to be a career. they can't have it both ways, if they want youtube to be acknowledged as a job they need to start acting like it.
My reaction to everything under the spoilers here is literally:
onetruetrash wrote: Mon Sep 04, 2017 4:47 pm Like, how entitled can you get?
These attitudes are all Peak Entitlement. A valid reason is whatever the person thinks is a valid reason. 'Being lazy' would be a valid reason because if they don't feel like doing something... they literally don't have to? Because they've chosen a career where they dictate for themselves what they do and when they do it. And that comment about Dodie and mental health is frankly disgusting. I get the frustration with expecting something when you've been told to expect it and then not getting it, but Dodie even said she would try to do/finish veda, not that it would 100% happen. And what if something private is going on behind-the-scenes (as Evan mentioned) that they don't want to explain to the audience? In that case they're not really in a position to give a "valid reason" to the audience even if they did owe them one (which... nope). They're not working for you, they're working for themselves and if people not uploading regularly enough like good little content robots isn't cool with you, then go ahead and take your views elsewhere. If you think you're their boss and they're doing a shitty job, then fire them and be done with it rather than whining about what they owe you and when and how much. Like.

And I'm not saying just be grateful for what you get because that's equally weird in another direction, but people on YT or wherever else, content creators in general, are not your dancing monkeys. You are literally not paying them as if you and you alone are responsible for their livelihoods- they've most likely spent years growing an audience/community through varying degrees of hard work (and a fuck load of luck, yes) to hopefully get to a point where they can relax a bit or take more time for themselves when they feel like it (at least on-screen, who knows how much else they've got going on business-wise that they don't show. Maybe appearing to 'be lazy' for not uploading on schedule is because of a bunch of busywork offline). If you can't stand the very idea of somebody not bowing down to you and your expectations of them just because you watch their uploads and want more, then you'd probably both be better off by disengaging. Demanding somebody do something because you want it and think you're owed it, when they don't agree, doesn't lead to anything positive on either side. Nobody needs that. If enough people get fed up with them to really dent their income, then... yay..? But more likely they'll be just fine because their income isn't just based on views (and honestly I'd love to see exactly how many of the people claiming to be paying YTers bills have adblock on anyway), but on merch/spons/tours/etc (which are all income streams that depend on an established audience they've already put in the work to cultivate) and at least specifically in Evan's case, an 'actual' job on the side as well.

I don't even know how related this actually is, but I've been thinking about this all day:
(tw for disordered eating mention around 4:30-50)

The part most specifically relevant to all of this starts @ 5:50
Now obviously he's got his own personal shit going on that goes beyond the creative block some people tend to bring up when explaining why they're not posting much or whatever, but like. Is this what we need to see every time somebody doesn't post their weekly/etc video? Is something like this a valid enough reason? Or is it just more laziness? Is there a scale somewhere that decides what counts as a valid enough reason for people to be able to dictate their own self-employed schedules and priorities without having to grovel and explain and apologize when those things don't align with the priorities of the audience?
Sure, go ahead, don't give a reason, but be prepared to lose fans because they don't wanna just be seen as a paycheck.
Also this is just kind of funny because in one ear the creators are being told 'Do X because I'm paying your bills, be grateful to me and give me what I expect from you because I'm the reason you have any money' and in the other 'Don't just think of me as a paycheque'.
...Which one is it?
I think you kinda misunderstood my post. I'm not saying that creators have to go into detail about their reason for not uploading and such, but if you just never upload and just generally don't seem to care about the people who support you, then those people won't really wanna support you, ya know? Obviously people have lives outside of YouTube and they don't owe us information about their personal/private lives, but I mean, they do kinda owe people something? Like, if I was watching someone and they just didn't seem to care about the people who support them, then I wouldn't really wanna continue supporting them. I'm not saying that we need a video every time they don't upload, but just tweeting giving people a heads up or something can't be that hard. I don't know if this is making any sense.

Re: Evan Edinger

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 5:10 am
by onetruetrash
Sorry to double post, but I felt the need to add this and it's too late to edit my post. I think part of the things I said stem from the fact that I don't have the best views on Evan in the first place. I don't think all of the things I said can be applied to every situation. Every situation is different and every person is different. I don't think "you always should do this" and "you can never do this" rules can be applied here.