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I also tracked down the vyou where Dan talks about being agnostic:Ticia wrote:+ http://web.archive.org/web/201209261736 ... om/danhowl
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9Kygz ... B1Nms/view
He doesn't actually say "agnostic" but that's what his views would be categorized under. Personally I always found what he said to be terribly misinformed though like, Dan, you do realize that science doesn't have to reject God? And vice versa? And Christianity isn't the idea that there's a God "judging you"
"The saltiness reminds me of my tears."
As Dan mentioned he was raised by his Christian grandmother ( I'm speaking from personal experience from a similar situation, so I don't think this has much relation to what Dan may ACTUALLY feel but I thought that I might as well share.) He honestly seems to have been uncomfortable with being mindful of what may upset his conservative Grandmother and after a while changing behavior build resentment, which becomes targeted towards something like in Dan's case religion itself. While lack of scientific fact and God "judging you" may not seem like a good reason for dismissing it, in Dan's case it just may be a cover over various other reasons especially regarding any inhibitions he may have felt with his family.anathema wrote:I also tracked down the vyou where Dan talks about being agnostic:Ticia wrote:+ http://web.archive.org/web/201209261736 ... om/danhowl
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9Kygz ... B1Nms/view
He doesn't actually say "agnostic" but that's what his views would be categorized under. Personally I always found what he said to be terribly misinformed though like, Dan, you do realize that science doesn't have to reject God? And vice versa? And Christianity isn't the idea that there's a God "judging you"
He discusses his grandmother being horrified when he showed her Moulin Rouge here @4.00
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To add a thing to the Christianity discussion, I was rewatching the Super Amazing Project the other day and the first episode of the third season really stood out to me. It was uploaded on September 24th, 2012.
Dan wants to be understood. Phil just wants to make the viewer smile and sell some backpacks (c) fancybum
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I wouldn't rule out Phil considering himself Christian in 2012 because he said that If he is Christian, he seems fairly lax about it, so I don't see why he would have a problem with saying that. (And, I mean, I'm Christian, but I think what he said was actually really funny, so ?). But I do find the jump cut right before he said that interesting. I wonder what was said, especially because whatever was cut out gave context to Phil saying "at least". (Also, 1/4 = Mitt Romney )coffeepenguin wrote:To add a thing to the Christianity discussion, I was rewatching the Super Amazing Project the other day and the first episode of the third season really stood out to me. It was uploaded on September 24th, 2012.
"The saltiness reminds me of my tears."
5:44 'Now in the U.K. despite various other fuck ups one thing we've definitely got right is free health care and there is a service where you can call a number to get free medical advice in situations that aren't necessarily an emergency.'
6:03 'Now I love this service ok don't get me wrong. I've used it before. It's very helpful. Protect the N.H.S. and all that.'
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I read this whole thread but I don't remember if anyone mentioned Phil talking about him using "girl" products in a liveshow:
pulvis et umbra sumus
small roundup of recent Dan's live shows. Overall some common themes like Dan's feeling important debates are trolled by drama, uniformed opinions and distractions, the importance of facts over opinions, the importance and interest of politics itself:
3:02 joking about Trump winning the presidential debate
12:24 Dan's idea about fact checking the candidates statements during the debate + talking about the importance of politics and how politics is actually super interesting
31:31 Pumpkin spice/capitalism tangent "slave to brands"
58:47 Avatar the last airbender being quite progressive but still problematic on some parts
21:34 Brangelina split talk/celebrity culture
35:09 "Clinton is the less world destroying choice."
49:04 Australia being gender-roley/ stereotypically masculine
53:52 Do what you want with your identity online, be true to yourself
21:15 - Pepe story/white supremacy and the inaccuracy/non-professionalism of the media
21:16 "youtube is over party" public debates are ruined by uninformed opinions and drama
33:02 gender roles internalised
37:52 StandUp2Cancer white photoshoot
38:22 UK is a mess, US not much better
49:43 Black lives matter discussion/trolling and distraction polluting real debates
51:18 avoiding to talk about brexit referendum
51:42 the internet amplifying social issues talks, not necessarily good or bad
58:08 too many opinions not enough facts
50:50 he is super into political news since these American elections. Politics is our lives and our freedom. He wants to talk about it more but don't feel informed enough.
12:24 Dan's idea about fact checking the candidates statements during the debate + talking about the importance of politics and how politics is actually super interesting
31:31 Pumpkin spice/capitalism tangent "slave to brands"
58:47 Avatar the last airbender being quite progressive but still problematic on some parts
35:09 "Clinton is the less world destroying choice."
49:04 Australia being gender-roley/ stereotypically masculine
53:52 Do what you want with your identity online, be true to yourself
33:02 gender roles internalised
37:52 StandUp2Cancer white photoshoot
49:43 Black lives matter discussion/trolling and distraction polluting real debates
51:18 avoiding to talk about brexit referendum
51:42 the internet amplifying social issues talks, not necessarily good or bad
58:08 too many opinions not enough facts
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Battlestar Galactica!emerald wrote:I can't find the liveshow in question but I remember Phil recommending some show or movie in a liveshow and mentioning that it had strong female characters. Does anyone else remember?
He talked about it in his October 2nd liveshow at around 23:00.
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Thanks everyone who contributed to this, I found it very interesting to read/watch up on it all!
I've always perceived Dan as opinionated and passionate about social issues and am glad to find here those little snippets combined (because it's true, he does seem to be very aware of the backlash his opinions can get and treats them really carefully). I wish there was more of Phil. I'd love also just to know if it's indifference, being wary of offending people, knowing his views are controversial, or something else. I'd be so interested in hearing his thoughts on social and political matters.
I looked for tweets of either one of them with the keywords 'voting', 'vote', 'voted' or 'election'. there's a bunch of things about awards and stuff obviously, but I also found those:
I love that they both stated in earlier years that they'd gone voting, that makes me happy to know that they've cared enough already back then.
Especially happy made me Phil's tweet about the American election. It was his typical jokey way, but he does actually actively encourage people to vote, and that is something I value a lot.
I really, really hope they will encourage people to vote in the upcoming UK elections. I respect people not stating who they're going to vote for, there's many reasons for that and most of them I view as perfectly valid. But having such a big platform with such a big audience who would really be able to change something if they attended - it would be such a waste to not speak up and simply say, "hey, go vote, it's important. I will too." that's so simple. and so effective. I really, really hope they will do that.
(I know I will keep bugging them in tweets and stuff about it until election day, for sure)
(although it's probably too late when registration periods have already ended. oh well, it can still be important to some)
I've always perceived Dan as opinionated and passionate about social issues and am glad to find here those little snippets combined (because it's true, he does seem to be very aware of the backlash his opinions can get and treats them really carefully). I wish there was more of Phil. I'd love also just to know if it's indifference, being wary of offending people, knowing his views are controversial, or something else. I'd be so interested in hearing his thoughts on social and political matters.
I looked for tweets of either one of them with the keywords 'voting', 'vote', 'voted' or 'election'. there's a bunch of things about awards and stuff obviously, but I also found those:
Especially happy made me Phil's tweet about the American election. It was his typical jokey way, but he does actually actively encourage people to vote, and that is something I value a lot.
I really, really hope they will encourage people to vote in the upcoming UK elections. I respect people not stating who they're going to vote for, there's many reasons for that and most of them I view as perfectly valid. But having such a big platform with such a big audience who would really be able to change something if they attended - it would be such a waste to not speak up and simply say, "hey, go vote, it's important. I will too." that's so simple. and so effective. I really, really hope they will do that.
(I know I will keep bugging them in tweets and stuff about it until election day, for sure)
(although it's probably too late when registration periods have already ended. oh well, it can still be important to some)
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I just wanted to add this to the discussion about Phil's religion. It's very flimsy evidence, and certainly proof of nothing in either direction, but I just found it interesting when I watched the video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tVdiKBcQWY&t=313s
The bit starts at 1:34 and at minute 1:44, I thought at first that he said 'I know my religion.' Of course, even this does not prove anything, as people also say it about things over which they can have no personal ownership (eg. I know my maths.')to simply indicate that they know about a given subject. Having listened to it several times again, I think he acutally says 'I know about religion.' Nevertheless, it did start some interesting speculations in my head for a minute there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tVdiKBcQWY&t=313s
The bit starts at 1:34 and at minute 1:44, I thought at first that he said 'I know my religion.' Of course, even this does not prove anything, as people also say it about things over which they can have no personal ownership (eg. I know my maths.')to simply indicate that they know about a given subject. Having listened to it several times again, I think he acutally says 'I know about religion.' Nevertheless, it did start some interesting speculations in my head for a minute there.