Dan & Phil Part 61: The 2017 Mince Pie Codex

[obsessivelymoody]

Also, a big part of this might just be the fact that for whatever reasons their videos aren't getting as many views over 24 hours as they used to. They naturally have less motivation to sweat over the quality of content. I'm not defending doop and poop here, just trying to rationalise what I see. But I hope gamingmas will pick up, it's only the beginning.

Sorry for the double post but I think this is just gaming content in general on YouTube. Like in 2014 the algorithm favored gamers so they got a ridiculous amount but now it seems to favor vloggers. Like if you look at Jacksepticeye, who has 14 million more subscribers than deppy, they are literally getting the same number of views. Plus since a re-watch is not counted as view anymore it just appears to be less.

Wait, is this actual fact? That doesn't seem like it could be correct; views are all about ads, and if I watch a video 5 times (and sit through ads 5 times), it has to count as 5 views. Anything else makes no sense. Are there any reputable links to info on this?

If you are logged on to your account after the third re-watch it will stop counting your views. Obviously if you aren’t logged on it won’t know that your watching it on repeat but I’ll link an article that I read that discusses YouTube and how it tracks views

https://growtraffic.com/blog/2017/08/yo ... ounts-view

just wanted to weigh in here as an active youtuber-type person. when i joined the partner program i had to do this whole disclaimer/contract-ish thing, and basically one of the main points on there was you can't watch your own videos over and over to collect ad revenue because that's essentially cheating the system/stealing and your account will have a big strike on it and you won't be able to make ad revenue from your content. along with that, when replying to comments by clicking on the actual video, the view count goes up even though i pause it after two seconds because i don't want to listen to my own voice lol. on videos where i get quite a few comments, causing me to click on the video often to reply to them, the view counts always goes up. i figured it probably wouldn't since i'm the creator and i pause it so quickly, but that's not the case. (and this example applies to a couple videos i released last week, so i'm not pulling out data from months ago).

i guess my point is that youtube counts pretty much all the views (especially after that update from awhile back where they finally fixed the view counter..), but like dizzy said in another post, if you replay a video right after you watch it, it doesn't get counted (i tested it out-not with one of my own videos-and it seemed to be that case).

regarding dnp's views, i just think the algorithm is just so messed up right now, and isn't favouring content that doesn't have a clickbait-y title/thumbnail, and it's not like they're doing anything popular or trending (or particularity engaging..). but i could be wrong here, idk that's just how i'm seeing it right now.

edit: whoops top of the page again :/ sorry

[George]

Going to break from the current topic because I voiced my opinions on the matter and I liked hearing everyone else’s thoughts. But tumblr just released top web celebrities of 2017 and Phil ended up beating dan, Phil came in second while dan came in fourth. I guess I just found that interesting because it doesn’t really happen often. Maybe it’s because Phil released more videos this year so there was more to talk about.

Also The NY Times released an article talking about the top ships on Tumblr. It was pretty bad considering it’s an adult writing about shipping culture, who obviously just researched it instead of having first hand knowledge. Anyways Dan and Phil were mentioned in there as the number 5 or 6 most shipped people and they misspelled Dan’s name once.

I've been following Tumblr fandometrics pretty closely for a year now, and the reason Phil beated Dan is probably because Dan rebranded. Dan and Phil were number 1 and 2 in web celebrities for ages, but at the same time the rebrand happened they both dropped. I don't know exactly how Tumblr forms their lists, but I'd assume it's about how many people tag them and how many people like or reblog the posts they're tagged. So basically after Dan rebranded nobody really knew what the official tag was and people used both daniel howell and danisnotonfire (or danielhowell or dan howell etc.). I don't trust Tumblr to calculate all in, especially since you could easily see that Dan dropped on the list at the exact time the rebrand happened. I guess Phil dropped because he was usually tagged in the same posts, and somehow the confusion with tags affected him too. The whole other story are those posts nobody tags at all, because they are nsfw or we don't want Dan or Phil to see them. There are plenty of those. (Or maybe I'm wrong about all of this and Phandom really is dying fast and furious.)

Other annoying thing about those fandometrics is their ships list - they literally used "Dan and Phil" instead of "Phan" as their shipname until like 2-3 weeks ago when someone finally realized it's Phan (everyone else had one word, real shipname the whole time...). I would think more people use tag 'Phan' than 'Dan and Phil', so if they had used a proper tag all along they would probably be higher in ships.

[rainydays]

Am I the only one who thinks that they're actually quite tame in what they say as far as sexual jokes go? I mean, they're such subtle references that a lot of people, even grown people, don't even catch them at times. Honestly the fact that it even stands out that they say the word "sex" once is because their content has always been quite harmless. Even Dan, with his jokes and swear words and kinks, is never too explicit. People were actually surprised when he mentioned masturbation in relation to himself in his diss track video.
And on this note, people were surprised, but not put off. I wonder, if Phil were to imply that he masturbates, would people find it weird and uncomfortable? That's double standards and it's so unfair on Phil, who never intended for his content to be aimed specifically at children. He makes videos that he wants to make and that he thinks will make people smile and he refrains from swearing because he's aware that the age range of his audience varies, but that doesn't mean that he specifically built his channel or online persona to be suitable for kids. If kids want to watch his videos, that's okay and he tries his best to create a safe space for everyone, but this doesn't mean that he should censor a humour that clearly, as we're seeing, comes natural to him and that isn't super explicit or dirty anyway.
And I agree with alittledizzy that yesterday's video wasn't meant for kids, it was meant for people who used to play the game when they were younger, but are now grown up and can feel a sense of nostalgia.

[hello9217]

Going to break from the current topic because I voiced my opinions on the matter and I liked hearing everyone else’s thoughts. But tumblr just released top web celebrities of 2017 and Phil ended up beating dan, Phil came in second while dan came in fourth. I guess I just found that interesting because it doesn’t really happen often. Maybe it’s because Phil released more videos this year so there was more to talk about.

Also The NY Times released an article talking about the top ships on Tumblr. It was pretty bad considering it’s an adult writing about shipping culture, who obviously just researched it instead of having first hand knowledge. Anyways Dan and Phil were mentioned in there as the number 5 or 6 most shipped people and they misspelled Dan’s name once.

I've been following Tumblr fandometrics pretty closely for a year now, and the reason Phil beated Dan is probably because Dan rebranded. Dan and Phil were number 1 and 2 in web celebrities for ages, but at the same time the rebrand happened they both dropped. I don't know exactly how Tumblr forms their lists, but I'd assume it's about how many people tag them and how many people like or reblog the posts they're tagged. So basically after Dan rebranded nobody really knew what the official tag was and people used both daniel howell and danisnotonfire (or danielhowell or dan howell etc.). I don't trust Tumblr to calculate all in, especially since you could easily see that Dan dropped on the list at the exact time the rebrand happened. I guess Phil dropped because he was usually tagged in the same posts, and somehow the confusion with tags affected him too. The whole other story are those posts nobody tags at all, because they are nsfw or we don't want Dan or Phil to see them. There are plenty of those. (Or maybe I'm wrong about all of this and Phandom really is dying fast and furious.)

Other annoying thing about those fandometrics is their ships list - they literally used "Dan and Phil" instead of "Phan" as their shipname until like 2-3 weeks ago when someone finally realized it's Phan (everyone else had one word, real shipname the whole time...). I would think more people use tag 'Phan' than 'Dan and Phil', so if they had used a proper tag all along they would probably be higher in ships.

Oh that makes since! Good to know I just assumed it was because Phil posted more content this year and I totally forgot about the rebrand.

[blackdenim]

But this shows that they cant never win! Mainly Phil So many times I see people complaining phil playing the innocent and never swearing in videos is weird and creepy and he should act his age, but when he does act more grown up with his humour is weird because they have a part of their audience that is young. They don’t target their videos too “children” and I don’t know how much of their audience is 13 and younger but are they meant to ignore the part of their audience that is teens and older? Why is it now phil makes a sexual joke people are finding it unsettling? Why can dan get away with it? As someone said he jokes about kinks! Choking kinks, pain kinks, daddy kinks. Etc in mario cart he said “I love putting shells up my ass” who’s your daddy he was saying to phil “hit me with it” about the ‘strange rubber object’.

I understand people have said it’s because this game they played was for kids so it was inappropriate so is that the reason. or would you find it just as bad if they played it in a game that was made for teenagers?

Also I think the only reason people tolerated this video was because of the jokes they made because other than that it would of been bland af

FWIW, Phil’s “childlike persona” has never bothered me but I do like, generally, that he’s acting his age more now. The point I was trying to make is that Dan and Phil have never actively courted a younger fan base so - as others have said - they shouldn’t have to censor themselves just because that’s what they’ve attracted. I think we can all agree on that point.

The reason this specific video felt awkward to me was that due to the subject matter it felt like it actually was aimed at a teenage audience and yes, they will understand that humour and appreciate it but there is something off (again... to me specifically!) about that sort of stuff being directed from men in their late 20s to younger teenagers.

It’s just how I feel about it personally. I don’t think it was the boys intention to come across like that and 000dia000 I don’t know if your comment was aimed at me or not but I don’t find Phil creepy, I never have in the 10 years I’ve been watching him. I enjoy his sense of humour and I agree he shouldn’t have to change it to suit his audience - it just didn’t sit quite right with me in this particular video. But as you suggested, I just won’t watch it again and that’ll be the end of it.

[Kimship]

Anybody with kids, reading this forum: your kids probably do look at weird things, and if they don't, they're the ones who figured out how to delete the history.

Yes. Especially once they start to hit puberty or just pre-puberty. Like I said, I started reading Jean Auel's Earth's Children series(starting with Valley of Horses) when I was 12. It had much(so, SO much) sex, much of it involving teens(because it takes place during an ice age when no one was presumed to live much past 40 or 50). Even then I thought Jondalar needed to learn to keep it in his pants, occasionally.

Kids(well, tweens) and teens are curious and aren't stupid and they can handle more than many adults think they can. (I'm not advocating giving your teens porn, but don't be surprised if they find it anyway, esp if they use tumblr.) As long as parents are willing to talk to them about what they're watching/reading/etc so they don't get weird ideas about relationships and sex in the future, I don't even think it's unhealthy or damaging.

Also: Phil. Doesn't. Make. Children's. Content.

Phil just doesn't like to curse, and he's self-aware of young people watching his videos. He can't stop them, so he wants to at least be a good influence as best as he can. Choosing to not swear isn't a sign of immaturity, it's him cleaning his content for the benefit of his audience. At least if Phil can make you laugh, it isn't because he's throwing around swears around.

Yeah, being "child friendly" is not the same as child's content. Star Trek (the first two shows, at least) is considered "family friendly", but is not aimed at children. Hell, Glee was explicitly aimed at tweens and teens(and was watched by lots of actual children) and is way racier than anything Dan or Phil have done. Children watch all sorts of entertainment not aimed at them and a lot of it contains sexual humor or content.

[Catallena]

Also, a big part of this might just be the fact that for whatever reasons their videos aren't getting as many views over 24 hours as they used to. They naturally have less motivation to sweat over the quality of content. I'm not defending doop and poop here, just trying to rationalise what I see. But I hope gamingmas will pick up, it's only the beginning.

Sorry for the double post but I think this is just gaming content in general on YouTube. Like in 2014 the algorithm favored gamers so they got a ridiculous amount but now it seems to favor vloggers. Like if you look at Jacksepticeye, who has 14 million more subscribers than deppy, they are literally getting the same number of views. Plus since a re-watch is not counted as view anymore it just appears to be less.

Wait, is this actual fact? That doesn't seem like it could be correct; views are all about ads, and if I watch a video 5 times (and sit through ads 5 times), it has to count as 5 views. Anything else makes no sense. Are there any reputable links to info on this?

I asked about this on tumblr recently and got nothing but conflicting answers, though just from trying it myself if I watch a video (with not a small amount of views, that I'm quite sure I'm the only one watching) and refresh in the same browser or hit replay as soon as it's done the view count didn't go up. If I opened an incognito window and watched it there, it did, though.

Doesn't make much sense to me. My assumption would be the same as what you just said, each time you have to sit through an ad should be a new view.

Kpop fandoms are religious about MV watching and they recommend logging out of your account, a new incognito window every few views + clearing your cache, searching for it every time you watch, watching other videos in between etc.. And you gotta watch it in good quality and volume has to be over 50%.

Considering groups like Twice and BTS can rake in 100 millions views on new videos in a month or so, it's probably working?? idk I never tried, I haven't had reason for the past few years to submit myself to that insanity. But you can probably find fandom guides on how to mass stream around the internet and most people seem to think it's legit?

[hello9217]

So it looks like YouTube is going to be adding a new feature that looks like Snapchat and Instagram Stories, called Reels. I wonder if deppy will take advantage of this since they occasionally use the community app.

Here's a link to an article I read about it:
https://techcrunch.com/2017/11/29/youtu ... led-reels/

[katemko]

So it looks like YouTube is going to be adding a new feature that looks like Snapchat and Instagram Stories, called Reels. I wonder if deppy will take advantage of this since they occasionally use the community app.

Here's a link to an article I read about it:
https://techcrunch.com/2017/11/29/youtu ... led-reels/

if there is ever a sign of a popular website/social media platform dying, copying snapchat is it (see: facebook). uuuuuugh.

[lilabet]

So it looks like YouTube is going to be adding a new feature that looks like Snapchat and Instagram Stories, called Reels. I wonder if deppy will take advantage of this since they occasionally use the community app.

Here's a link to an article I read about it:
https://techcrunch.com/2017/11/29/youtu ... led-reels/

if there is ever a sign of a popular website/social media platform dying, copying snapchat is it (see: facebook). uuuuuugh.

I don't know. Having read the article this might actually work for short videos creators usually put on instragram or twitter. Anything for people to stay on Youtube more hey? I'm not sure how Dan and Phil would use it as they don't really post videos on either site currently.

[katemko]

Sims video up. 5 minutes in. I'm enjoying myself i'm supposed to be writing essays help

[Flomy]

I guess after the last 3 videos I have never been happier with the Sims, and I really enjoyed it! It was a bit all over the place, not one specific thing they did but a few different activities, but I liked it. Laughed a few times and I loved when Phil asked Dan for a parenting tip lol. Also, I adore Dan's shirt and to me, he seemed more into it today, so overall I am quite happy with this one.

[saffarinda]

i loved that sims video so much! honestly anything dan and phil + dogs i’ll die for. some nice bants as well (parenting tip, nuki getting the snip, hanging out with the teens, the girl checking out the other girl).

really cute vid. i hope they remember to age up evan when they age up dab as well though.

[SquishPhan]

I enjoyed today’s vid a whole lot more than yesterday’s one, but that is no surprise seeing as I really enjoy the sims series. And that definitely includes this one.
Also Suki really is very cute.

[yellowsubmarine]

I'm not even gonna pretend like I don't enjoy their sims series because I absolutely do! I literally said outloud "Sims! Thank god!" Haha idk what that says anymore
Glad to know Dan is as clueless as I am about parenting. Phil's impression of the girls talking really made me laugh!
Also Nuki is mega cute in every single outfit. The whole thing was incredibly cute

[000dia000]

I'm just kind of happy that their dog is less ugly now. The first half of the video was kind of slow, ngl but as soon as they tried on the bread hat I changed my mind. It wasn't the best Sim's video ever, but certainly was an improvement to the other videos. The one thing I'm disappointed by is that they didn't find some way of adopting the stray Mayor Cat (?) it was the best thing ever, it looked like a person trapped in a cat's body. Cats are better than dogs, anyway. I really hope to see "Snip Snip Bish" in the thread title page, I s2g.

[dancy]

"Always use protection, especially if you're with an alien!" Yes Phil, promote safe sex and I loved that he wanted to adopt that stray cat, the cat representation I need. Anyway, I quite liked the video but I do like the Sims series in general. I'd say this has been my favorite Gamingmas video so far because they just seemed to be more into it and had more fun commentary than in the previous videos in my opinion.

[alittledizzy]

I mean, ngl. I'd watch a nature doc narrated by Phil.

[nøx]

Is it just me, or do they sing A Whole New World from Aladdin really often? Am I missing some meme or piece of phan history? I swear there's at least a handful of videos where that song pops up and I'm very curious.

[alch]

The sims isn't always my favorite, some videos are kind of boring, but it's always felt safe to me and like it can't really be that bad.
I liked today's video, I thought it was good they were doing something they knew worked instead of whatever's been happening for the last few days of gamingmas.
Also, the dog is making this series infinitely better.

[saffarinda]

“nothing new to you all” hmm. my inital thought was something mental health related but idk what the shows about, so that might not fit with the theme.

any ideas?

also dia i’ll fully fight u and defend that dogs are better than cats in all aspects smh

[Ablissa]

I have to sleep since like two hours ago so just saying this quick: they both look gorgeous lately! Dan's hair was on point today and the video was good in my opinion, I'll take dnp awww-ing over dogs any day.

[liola]

WHY COULDNT THEY ADOPT THE BEAUTIFUL SWEET MAYOR KITTENFLUFF I, WILL FIGHT THEM #CatsOverDogs

Really liked the video, I was amused at how they can't manage to ever make Dalien green. I squealed out loud at the dog costumes and ofc they chose the dinosaur one..#scalies

Phil keep being a joy to witness, so cheeky and giggly and overall is just driving each video home to me. But then again, I'm always a Phil girl but I feel like he's really being more and more happy and cheeky and I just love him okay?

[Catallena]

That was lovely tbh, definitely one of the better Sims episodes in a while. Turns out animals are always significantly better at improving your life than kids are. I'm glad they aged Nuki up, I had real anxiety about the tiny thing getting trampled to death somehow. Them squealing over dog costumes was the cutest thing.

Dan is cancelled because he came for my Capita£ester jokes (stickers and other far better stuff for sale on the IDB Redbubble only this month #SaveInDepthBants) by doing the shop spon himself this time AND being a cat anti again.

Phil has really been the shining star of gamingmas so far and he wanted the cat so he can stay

[hello9217]

WHY COULDNT THEY ADOPT THE BEAUTIFUL SWEET MAYOR KITTENFLUFF I, WILL FIGHT THEM #CatsOverDogs

Really liked the video, I was amused at how they can't manage to ever make Dalien green. I squealed out loud at the dog costumes and ofc they chose the dinosaur one..#scalies

Phil keep being a joy to witness, so cheeky and giggly and overall is just driving each video home to me. But then again, I'm always a Phil girl but I feel like he's really being more and more happy and cheeky and I just love him okay?

Wow did I ghostwrite this? My exact emotions always!

I loved this video-dan, phil, fawning over dressing up dogs-yes please!!!!
The only thing I hate is how everyone is always in the red, especially dalien, like they are either going to die or get the kids taken from them. Also if they age up dab then they need to age up Evan too and start this angsty teen romance