Dan & Phil Part 62: Cat Master and Boy-slave

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Late hungover-after-last-night's-work-Christmas-party Truth Bomb opinions - loved it! I preferred it to the video with Tom and Hazel, and I actually perceived very little awkwardness or tension. I'm very sensitive to second-hand embarrassment but I didn't pick up on any at all when I watched it this morning (although, that could just be my general bleariness filtering it all out).

I especially didn't think there was anything particularly awkward about the subscriber difference question - as if Phil would give a shit, he's a grown adult who's been in the business for over a decade and who's literal favourite person in the entire universe is probably Dan, I don't think he'd be offended at the reminder that Dan has more subscribers than him. 8.5/10.

Geometry Dash opinions -
weirdly, I think this was my favourite gamingmas2k17 video thus far. I loved it, I thought the bants were super entertaining, Dan was in a more pleasant mood than he was in the first few videos of December (he fell into his natural role as supportive trash, and even when teasing Phil his remarks didn't come across as very biting), and I was very happy with the end result. Hate the shaved sides with a passion and am devastated to see their return (I think I've embraced my status as a dedicated Fabrice hater), loved Phil demonstrating his obvious knowledge of meditation/yoga, and overall just had a grand old time. 9/10, effective af hangover distraction.

Also I haven't really been down with the car theories as of late, but damn if they haven't mentioned cars a lot lately. This video had multiple mentions (banting and driving, the Ford Mundeo thing or whatever). My suspicions have been officially raised :illuminati:
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I know we've moved on a somewhat, but can I just say I've listened to Chanel by Frank Ocean about a million times since Dan's tweet earlier -- I had listened to it when he mentioned it one time before but for some reason I didn't realize how great it was until now. I'm obsessed (late I know, typical for me :lol: )

Also I listened to that charlie xcx song and all I could picture was Dan being a tall noodle and dancing to that song -- I just have such a hilarious clear mental image of it :rofl:

As for the Geometry Dash vid -- it was just okay for me. Good bants, but I thought the game was kind of boring to watch. Def excited for the cheese outfit tomorrow though
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alittledizzy wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:14 pm
alien wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:08 pm My IDB stickers came in an they're so cute I had to share. Also thanks to those that keep this place up and running! This has been a much better experience than my last big fandom.
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Aw, yay!! I love that people are starting to get their stuff! For anyone who is just popping in, you can check out what we're doing here.

Redbubble is also doing daily promo codes for different things, so if you wanted a mug - today with the promo code DAYNINE you can get 20% off home decor... and apparently they count coffee mugs as home decor. :daddy: :daddy:
woo! people are getting their stuff! and what a sweet thing of you to say. :love2:
thanks dizzy for letting us know, 20% is pretty good.
DatCog wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:01 pm Just noticed PJ’s latest instastory post and it looks like a collab on his channel is coming tomorrow! :tu:
eee! i wasn't expecting another so i'll be disappointed now if it isn't them. such a rare occasion, i really learn a lot from every pj collab...
DatCog wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:10 pm Dan's Spotify review for 2017!
awww, Dan is still listening to - quoting phil - his 'angry, shouty music'!



8.12 - 8.40
one of the cutest moments on the radioshow, imo. phil's body language is adorable.
blackdenim wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:49 pm
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blackdenim wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:18 pm re the furry/macrophilia stuff - do you guys think they're really 'trying to let us know' that those are their real kinks?
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But then on the other hand, the jokes have been going on a long time now and Dan, particularly, is so committed to the furry 'bit' that I'm unsure!
I don't think the micro/macrophilia thing is likely an actual kink. My guess is that Phil stumbled across some one day and fell into a fascination hole saw more than he needed and now it pops into his head at inopportune moments. That's how his conversations about it reads to me, at least

Now, most furries don't consider actually being a furry a "kink", it's a bit deeper than that? It can be a kink, but isn't necessarily a kink. And I do think it plausible that Dan might have some furry tendencies, but it might also just be a joke? He looks cute in his onesies, in any case.
yeah, this last bit. most of the time when sometime says they're a furry, they're just saying they like furry porn. i imagine it would be the same with macro stuff. neither 'kink' is easy to make real in the bedroom, so i'd say they're telling us about their porn habits more than anything.
But that's kind of exactly my point - why would they want their audience to know about the extremely specific type of porn they watch when they're so fiercely private about almost everything else!

love this discussion.
if you see it from the perspective of a closeted couple having few outlets to talk about their own sexuality, sexual preferences, interests, fascinations, *individually*, rather than assuming a closeted couple wants to close the door on that aspect of themselves completely to avoid investigation (which we've seen, they don't - innuendos abound and they enjoy that kind of banter), kink sharing makes perfect sense to me. it straddles that line between do they? don't they? is it a joke? that they feel most comfortable in, and doesn't directly involve the other nor a romantic relationship angle. it's interesting that Phil is finding ease now too enough to mention things like being fascinated with macrophilia. i enjoy the insight into their brains as individuals, so often the sexual aspect we get from them is one teasing the other with an innuendo, it's very directional. in that way i feel a lot more has been revealed about the way they have sex than kink or fetish talk does.
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mermaid blood wrote: Sat Dec 09, 2017 4:45 am
DatCog wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:01 pm Just noticed PJ’s latest instastory post and it looks like a collab on his channel is coming tomorrow! :tu:
eee! i wasn't expecting another so i'll be disappointed now if it isn't them. such a rare occasion, i really learn a lot from every pj collab...
oh it's definitely them. It's a snippet of the editing, you can see the three of them sitting in the same spot where they filmed the truth bombs video (no sophie, it seems) and you can see phil talking about sexy anime fantasies or something like that and dan facepalming and lowering his head in shame lmao. I would link the video, but I'm on mobile. It's on tumblr though.
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rainydays wrote: Sat Dec 09, 2017 7:58 am
mermaid blood wrote: Sat Dec 09, 2017 4:45 am
DatCog wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:01 pm Just noticed PJ’s latest instastory post and it looks like a collab on his channel is coming tomorrow! :tu:
eee! i wasn't expecting another so i'll be disappointed now if it isn't them. such a rare occasion, i really learn a lot from every pj collab...
oh it's definitely them. It's a snippet of the editing, you can see the three of them sitting in the same spot where they filmed the truth bombs video (no sophie, it seems) and you can see phil talking about sexy anime fantasies or something like that and dan facepalming and lowering his head in shame lmao. I would link the video, but I'm on mobile. It's on tumblr though.
oh! for some reason i thought it was just a hint or something (i don't follow pj on anything). thanks! i'm going to attempt to embed it...

edit: nope, didn't work. haha. it's on this person's tumblr anyway:
http://danisnotonfires.tumblr.com/post/ ... gram-story

edit 2: nvm i figured it out, claps for mermidiot:
dan pretending to be uncomfortable and pj looking thrilled, can't wait haha
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Maybe a bit late, but I absolutely loved the truth bombs video. Especially the little look Phil gives dan at 12:33 when PJ is about to guess who wrote it, really looks like Phil's look means 'I totally know it was you'.

Also looking forward to the livestream! Anyone have a guess as to what they're going to play or what you'd like for them to play? Perhaps another overcooked (appropriate with the cheese costume) or maybe they'll try something new. I Have noticed they haven't done many christmassy games yet, so that's an option as well.

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After the delight that was live Overcooked, I'm pretty hyped for tonight's live show. I'd quite like it if they did a new game - they must have had loads of suggestions recently and they know which ones will work better live. Also looking forward to the PJ collab. I wonder when he'll upload it and whether they will have discussed timing with the live show.

I too am dreaming of a Golf Christmas! Sadly I think the game is too unstable for them to risk playing it live.
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That was a very nice Dan vs. Phil, and of course I’m happy that Phil won.

Luckily after the first few meh vids, gamingmas has been picking it up. Hope it stays this way.
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That video was so cute and I snorted out loud a couple of times. They had such good energy and the bants were on point and Phil keeps being a joy to witness, bless gamingmas! I also was so glad he won, yes baby get that :garbage:

I'm about to pop into the youtube london space and hopefully get some merch (and the advent calendar even tho we're a week into December I don't care fight me)
Will probably never be over the BONCAS and the beauty of Phil Lester.

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liola wrote: Sat Dec 09, 2017 11:55 am That video was so cute and I snorted out loud a couple of times. They had such good energy and the bants were on point and Phil keeps being a joy to witness, bless gamingmas! I also was so glad he won, yes baby get that :garbage:

I'm about to pop into the youtube london space and hopefully get some merch (and the advent calendar even tho we're a week into December I don't care fight me)
I'd love to know what sort of D&P stuff they have in the store - I'm up near King's Cross on Wednesday and fancied popping in. My youngest wants a Dil plushie and I'd like to save the postage if possible!
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Amused too by the thought of Dan vs Phil ending when their ex-landlord arrives to take back his table top. Naughty boys are actually naughty sometimes :roll:
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Kinda off-topic but I just watched Emma Blackery's new video in which she talks about the issues regarding YT rewind and why she'll reject it next year and I thought it was quite interesting! It reminded me of the fact that I'd love to hear Dan and Phil's (more realistically, just Dan) thoughts about Youtube's issues, like demonetization, the algorithm, stupid trends and other problems content creators are currently facing and have been complaining about. I know they don't always speak out against important issues (and they don't have to imo) but this is something that directly involves them and others on the platform, so I'd be interested to hear them speak about these things during a live show some time. I do recall Dan mentioning the algorithm doesn't favor him since he uploads infrequently during his last live show but I don't remember much else.

I dunno but perhaps they're trying to stay on Youtube's good side. They were invited to do a talk (which was sponsored by Youtube) at that festival in Edinburgh, they've been asked to be in Rewind for 4 years, they met the CEO Susan Wojcicki and were featured in her first video and of course Dan recently went to the UK on Stage event as well as the Stop, Speak, Support event. I doubt the people behind Youtube would know everything they talk about though :shrug:
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I think "staying out of controversies" is Dan and Phil's middle name. While I would love to hear them talk more about YT from a business perspective, I don't see it happening. So it was extra sad to hear that Dan's stage talk wasn't recorded :(

Kinda surprised people liked the video that much? I guess I have to re-watch it, maybe I was still too sleepy this morning (when did uploading after CET midnight become a thing?). Definitely thought it was good, but not sure if I'd call it one of my all-time favourites.
Even more surprised that people liked Phil's hair? I was irritated by the lego-ness of it.

While I am at it already with the complaining (wow I guess that week's coming 'round :ribena: ), can they please please announce their live stream more than 5 minutes in advance?
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I don't think I've ever heard Dan and Phil speak badly about YouTube and its issues and I don't think we're going to. They seem like they want to be completely on YouTube's good side and they've shown up in Susan Wojcicki's videos so they seem to be buddies with her. They also don't really do drama so much and tend to stay away from conflicts. I'd like to see them talk about the business side of their YT careers but I really doubt they ever will
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Hmm as much as I would like their opinions what would they add? The problems with YT are well known.
Calling out what could be seen as their employer in public is not going to help.
I do think YT needs to work with their creators to fix the issues. I liked Toms suggestion of a whitelist for trusted creators to not be demonitised. However some of these issues aren’t YTs fault. What was popular a few years ago isn’t popular now. That’s true across traditional media as well. Some of these creators would have been cancelled shows on tv.
I’d be surprised if D&P haven’t raised concerns behind the scenes.
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I’ll leave my opinions on Emma in the Emma thread where we have been chatting about this, but the most hilarious part of her video was her clearly shading Dan and Phil for being YouTube’s darlings and having a shorter on set time and emphasis being out on getting good shots of them.
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PJ collab is up!
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Phil hops straight in with the m-preg reference. I see you, lester.
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DatCog wrote: Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:05 pm PJ collab is up!
This was a nice, enjoyable video. Thought the three of them worked well this video, I noticed no awkwardness and I didn't get the sense that PJ was being a third wheel.
sonicgreen wrote: Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:21 pm Phil hops straight in with the m-preg reference. I see you, lester.
I noticed it too, he really loves bringing up him being pregnant/having had a baby.
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Talking about Dan's perfect person to make steamy love to "You could be a penpal - they could move in with you. Oh god what am I saying." Yes what are you saying PJ because that definitely doesn't sound like someone we already know.:garbage:
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Aww damn, they blew my cover. My flying, three-nippled cover.
Ever since I discovered Dan and Phil, I was not able to look at my name the same way.

Nice video! Too bad PJ didn't save the tentacle quirk until later :oops:
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JustMe wrote: Sat Dec 09, 2017 4:49 pm For anyone that's interested:
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Now, as soon as they get an even score, maybe then they might put the d vs p board to rest, and call a winner! Or something?! I don't want to end their d v p's but pls can they clean their boards.

To weigh in on the YouTube rewind thing:
I'm actually on the side of Emma here (*music screech to halt* big shock) and that it sounds real shitty. I know people don't like her, but you don't always have to ignore people's complaints because you dislike them, or call them entitled. If Dan/Phil brought attention to their video being demonetized recently, people would be calling them poor babies. YouTube has problems, maybe let people rant about them? Even if it's just Emma saying how the YouTube Rewind is very fake (unsurprisingly) idk maybe let her point it out.

I don't think deppy ever really suffered from demonetization until the last video? (Correct me if I'm wrong) While Dan just had to take down videos (like the Tinder video) or Phil's oreo vid. I don't think they've ever suffered as much as small creators, and they have so many people constantly rewatching videos so as far as the phandom goes, they're always reliable. Also, they got their demonetization thing fixed pretty quickly, while some creators have never gotten their's fixed, or had it fixed way after the prime time they get views and lose a good chunk of their money. YouTube is faulty, but I don't think they've ever directly suffered from it, or at least as far as we know.

Tomska, in a recent video, described how annoying it was to get a video demonetized, he suggested an alternative which was that any channel that is verified has to have a real person watch the video to determine if it's acceptable or not instead of an algorithm deciding for them. That way, people won't lose money. It wouldn't work for creators just starting off but still, a lot of channels get verified before 1 million now anyway, so could still get these privileges. It isn't perfect, but it seemed reasonable. Of course, though, YouTube doesn't seem to take any good suggestions from people and instead trusts an algorithm that is essentially learning as it goes.
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I loved PJ's video, in fact I think I liked it more than the Truth Bombs video tbh. I liked his editing and of course furries and Phil's mpreg obsession made a comeback :roll:
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Damn that video was so good!! They all bounced off each other so naturally in my opinion. PJ really comes up with the best ideas. Reminded me so much of their would you rather collab in like 2014 (another video I love very much).
So much more chemistry between them all than in truth bombs, imo. Very good video.
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