Dan & Phil Part 5: Dan & Phil Lester

[sweetmm]

Now we wait for Phil's video, I enjoyed his christmas one with Louis so I'm sure I'll like what they come out with!!

Will there be an AP collab with Louise?

[danphil333]

lol i am around dan's age too and i think it's just certain type of people who are rly into pop culture bc of different reasons; escapism, belonging, distraction, u name it.

im just rly glad dan isnt into rupaul's drag race oh boy that would certainly annoy you.

didnt mean to say it was his age the problem. i just thing its a big part of his brand and his persona more than anything else. he plays it up and most of the time it feels dishonest to me like the innocent AP the cinnamon roll sunshine. A bit of truth and a lot of brand. Others hate the AP childish brand i hate the relatable meme self deprecating king dinof brand

[kuensukki]

Now we wait for Phil's video, I enjoyed his christmas one with Louis so I'm sure I'll like what they come out with!!

Will there be an AP collab with Louise?

Didn't Phil say they filmed like 4 videos. I think she just put in Dan's video mention because she knew he was uploading today....

[sweetmm]

Now we wait for Phil's video, I enjoyed his christmas one with Louis so I'm sure I'll like what they come out with!!

Will there be an AP collab with Louise?

Didn't Phil say they filmed like 4 videos. I think she just put in Dan's video mention because she knew he was uploading today....

Thank goodness looking forward to that I prefer Phil one on one with Louis collab, as Louis tend to act too giggly and all over the place when Dan is around (a bit forced?). I'm looking forward to a more relax and less chaotic set-up.

[sweetmm]

[spaceguitar]

Found a #problematic post:
http://phantasmogenetic.tumblr.com/post/142627209942
This is what i mean about the phandom romanticizing codependence. Sorry if anyone knows this person

[trashqueen]

lol
'coming up with video ideas all the time is hard'
what are dan and phil doing on this panel they wouldn't know

jk (maybe) i'm thrilled to see them at any panels

[greatnessflicker]

Found a #problematic post:
http://phantasmogenetic.tumblr.com/post/142627209942
This is what i mean about the phandom romanticizing codependence. Sorry if anyone knows this person

This post doesn't even make sense. Dan's worn that shirt and coat before, they look good on him, he looks fine, there's no way to tell when he most recently showered...like...I just don't get it. Also, he's out and about in that pic, which shows some level of independency.

I've seen posts joking about Dan being "a mess" with regards to all his tweets since Phil's left, but that all seems very jokey and nowhere near as disrespectful (probs a better word out there but I can't think of it) as this post.

[rizzo]

lol
'coming up with video ideas all the time is hard'
what are dan and phil doing on this panel they wouldn't know

jk (maybe) i'm thrilled to see them at any panels

lmao! i was gonna say the exact same thing. are they really the picture of "motivation station"?

but yes. definitely want to hear them discuss this. want more comments to overthink.

[fancybum]

Found a #problematic post:
http://phantasmogenetic.tumblr.com/post/142627209942
This is what i mean about the phandom romanticizing codependence. Sorry if anyone knows this person

That doesn't even make sense because he looks... great/same as usual? That person seems more like they're demonizing trench coats rather than romanticizing codependency
Edit: greatnessflicker beat me to it with the same thought lol oh well
Ok I have to actually go watch the dinof video now though I spoiled myself by skimming the thread. Didn't Phil tell the napkin story in a liveshow? But coat threesomes and alpha males... Off I go

[fakelights]

lol
'coming up with video ideas all the time is hard'
what are dan and phil doing on this panel they wouldn't know

jk (maybe) i'm thrilled to see them at any panels

Seriously! Did they put their names in the wrong panel or smth? lol

But you know what?! Now I'm curious about what they are going to say on the subject... Yes, tell us more about it

edit: ooops rizzo, same lol

[pixlexia]

Found a #problematic post:
http://phantasmogenetic.tumblr.com/post/142627209942
This is what i mean about the phandom romanticizing codependence. Sorry if anyone knows this person

Ughhhhhhh see okay, it's cute and funny to joke about dan being lonely and tweeting more and mentioning phil on twitter a bunch when he's left, I also get that it can be cute to joke about how they're more socially awkward without each other/clumsier or whatever, but when you start implying "everything I do to take care of myself relies solely on my s/o" then it's like, is that really a cute thing to joke about? Is it "aw adorable #goals" to think that someone has no reason or motivation to be healthy and clean without someone's help?

Not to mention it's super offensive? Like, Dan looks completely normal and ordinary. Where are they getting this idea of "hobo who hasn't had a shower in a week" from? I thought he looked great? If someone were to imply that about me, I would be SOOOO pissed.

(Sorry, I'll restrain myself from going off (even though I already did). Anyone who wants a recap of how passionately I feel on this topic can look at my old posts, lol. Terribly sorry for the rant. I need to catch up on sleep or something. )

[spaceguitar]

Found a #problematic post:
http://phantasmogenetic.tumblr.com/post/142627209942
This is what i mean about the phandom romanticizing codependence. Sorry if anyone knows this person

Ughhhhhhh see okay, it's cute and funny to joke about dan being lonely and tweeting more and mentioning phil on twitter a bunch when he's left, I also get that it can be cute to joke about how they're more socially awkward without each other/clumsier or whatever, but when you start implying "everything I do to take care of myself relies solely on my s/o" then it's like, is that really a cute thing to joke about? Is it "aw adorable #goals" to think that someone has no reason or motivation to be healthy and clean without someone's help?

Not to mention it's super offensive? Like, Dan looks completely normal and ordinary. Where are they getting this idea of "hobo who hasn't had a shower in a week" from? I thought he looked great? If someone were to imply that about me, I would be SOOOO pissed.

(Sorry, I'll restrain myself from going off (even though I already did). Anyone who wants a recap of how passionately I feel on this topic can look at my old posts, lol. Terribly sorry for the rant. I need to catch up on sleep or something. )

I feel passionately also and really hate when people treat Dan like this. I'm glad that people on this forum can recognize how unhealthy this mentality is.

[esso]

Didn't Phil tell the napkin story in a liveshow?

I think he did, because I think I remember hearing it before too. No luck in trying to find it via live show summaries

Side note: Phil didn't retweet the collab with Louise. Why the silence?

[offtopic][/offtopic]

Despite what she said in the DINOF video, I thought Louise looked quite lovely for dinner

[Rigby]

[offtopic][/offtopic]

Despite what she said in the DINOF video, I thought Louise looked quite lovely for dinner

So true! And were supposed to be "dressed to the nines" and she looks fancier than them

[kuensukki]

Didn't Phil tell the napkin story in a liveshow?

I think he did, because I think I remember hearing it before too. No luck in trying to find it via live show summaries

Side note: Phil didn't retweet the collab with Louise. Why the silence?

[offtopic][/offtopic]

Despite what she said in the DINOF video, I thought Louise looked quite lovely for dinner

He did tell the story. I think he omitted the napkin being on his crotch He said he had got it stuck on his feet and had walked through the restaurant with it attached. I remember thinking it was a toilet paper form the bathroom but this new story puts everything in perspective

[fancybum]

Didn't Phil tell the napkin story in a liveshow?

I think he did, because I think I remember hearing it before too. No luck in trying to find it via live show summaries

Side note: Phil didn't retweet the collab with Louise. Why the silence?

He did tell the story. I think he omitted the napkin being on his crotch He said he had got it stuck on his feet and had walked through the restaurant with it attached. I remember thinking it was a toilet paper form the bathroom but this new story puts everything in perspective

I found eeet: story starts at 21:30

I'm sure he'll tweet it out tomorrow for a boost; he probably wanted to leave it to Louise & Dan today as it was kind of their mutual collab day.

Why don't they acknowledge Dan is in Florida already? We all know it! Ok we don't for sure but come on

[offtopic]Also in case anyone missed it, crabstickz totally attempted to stream himself playing a video game on his channel today. Hmm..
What a full day of foursome shenanigans. More pls.[/offtopic]

[jhamba]

i just thing its a big part of his brand and his persona more than anything else. he plays it up and most of the time it feels dishonest to me like the innocent AP the cinnamon roll sunshine. A bit of truth and a lot of brand. Others hate the AP childish brand i hate the relatable meme self deprecating king dinof brand

I'll be honest, I don't think the part you hate is as much of a branding as you think it is. I think the dinof brand is more genuinely Dan, and I get why someone would dislike it (I am a lot like that brand sometimes, and honestly, a lot of people don't like me, but the ones who like me love me), and while it's played up, I think it's a genuine and significant part of his personality.

idk, maybe I'm just falling into his #relatable trap

[angrymob]

Godammit! I try to socialize for a few hours and miss out on videos being uploaded. I'm going to use this as my excuse for why I'm always slightly tipsy while posting.

Don't have much to say about the videos since everyone has said everything already. However, currency conversion always mess me up. When they mentioned the meals being 130, I thought 'wow! that's a lot, but it's not mind-blowing considering it's a fancy restaurant and they had so many courses.' Then I went to actually convert it into a currency I'm more familiar with, and I take that all back. 130 is a ridiculous sum.

felucca, divine keeper of Deppy records & bringer of rains during this drought has uploaded all the footage of the Jamaican trip they made in 2010.

I'm 99% sure Dan is wearing one of Phil's shirts that I don't think I've seen in the in 'Dan wears Phil's clotehs' catalogue in the thumbnail of that video. Why did he even bother to deny that he wears Phil's clothes in the first place? It wouldn't have ever been weird if he had never denied it.

[offtopic]I thought PJ's video was ok. It's probably the video of his that I've watched that I like best, besides Bloom ( I think that's what it's called- I thought that was beautiful). I just don't find Pj very funny- a little boring. On the contrary though, from what I've watched of pewdiepie, I think he's hilarious. Whatevs, taste is subjective. That's something important that I've learned from this forum. Though tbh, people get along best w people who share their sense of humor, so I guess taste is important.[/offtopic]

This sums up my thoughts almost exactly. I usually find PJ a bit boring, but liked the last video a bit, and have been finding Pewdiepie quite funny recently.

Also, unpopular opinion time, but I'm going to have to agree with what cora808 has said before that I've been getting vibes from Dan lately that he's maybe not actually bisexual, but gay, or bisexual but leaning more towards men. Just speculation though.

I could see this. I mean, if people can argue that they think Dan is straight based on the idea that his previous admissions to being bi were just a phase, then I don't see why you couldn't make the same argument towards him being gay as well.

"he must have thought Phil was my nephew or something" what the fuck was that about????

This! This definitely stuck out to me. Like.... As opposed to what, Dan? And why Phil? Was Dean not a masculine figure there? It was a strange and insightful comment.

Besides maybe the fact that they showed up together, I don't see how the waiter would have thought they had any relation besides friendship unless they were interacting in a more intimate way. From that vlog video, they weren't even siting next to each other. I'd maybe let that pass as a half finished thought or joke he didn't know how to complete, and he had brought Phil up in it because he is so used to mentioning Phil every 3 seconds.

[Vivastian]

Hello forum.

I was suspicious about the pitching of the video, and so I went and compared the explosion in this video, and the explosion in another.

"Dan Reacts to His Childhood Videos"

"Our Awkward Fancy Meal"

[Kathrynxjane]

Just woke up to a 30 minute DINOF. I thought I was still dreaming!

Well that was a amazing. I could listen to Dan and Louise talk all day. I wish they hung out more and Louise vlogged it more! They are my favourite friendship after of course.

I can't believe people said that there was no chemistry. Have you watched the Hazel and Phil collab that had so little chemistry compared to and Louise. They actually sound like friends than just co-workers. NWW is what tipsy talk could have been.

Good on Dan for not chopping it up. He really could have taken loads out and made it shorter but he didn't. I think I liked it more because I am just as awkward as them so can relate to everything they say.

Phil said that there was a Louise collab on his channel so I can't see wait for that.

need more Dan and Louise in my life.

[clarinetupmyass]

i just rewatched NWW and it was 10x funnier the second time
two things i noticed the second time (probably been mentioned before i haven't read through everybody else's reactions yet)

dan's reaction to louise's ihop meltdown
the noise dan made @ 8.53

going to watch again for good measure

on this day, we have truly been blessed

[mysterylovescompany]

Hello forum.

I was suspicious about the pitching of the video, and so I went and compared the explosion in this video, and the explosion in another.

"Dan Reacts to His Childhood Videos"

"Our Awkward Fancy Meal"

Yes, I also noticed this! Also, all anyone in the comments could talk about was how deep Dan's voice sounded. Now, why the video's pitch has been fiddled with is the question ...

[oqua]

felucca, divine keeper of Deppy records & bringer of rains during this drought has uploaded all the footage of the Jamaican trip they made in 2010.

I'm 99% sure Dan is wearing one of Phil's shirts that I don't think I've seen in the in 'Dan wears Phil's clotehs' catalogue in the thumbnail of that video. Why did he even bother to deny that he wears Phil's clothes in the first place? It wouldn't have ever been weird if he had never denied it.

Haha, don't worry, that shirt is included in my compilation.



If anyone hasn't seen my post about them sharing clothes, I've included it under the spoiler. It'll eventually be included in the FAQ page once we get that up, but I figured I might as well post it here too for the time being.

Do Dan and Phil share clothes?

This post is meant to serve as an exhaustive collection of pictures of them sharing clothes, plus a compilation of all the times Dan’s denied that it happens, or at least denied that he wears Phil’s clothes for any reason other than “dressing as a character”

DISCLAIMER: I am not trying to say “omG they shur clothis!1 PHAN” (to quote Dan cough cough).
I’m just trying to make an organized masterlist of this stuff, because I ALWAYS hear people talk about the clothes-sharing, but I never saw any real sources cited for when Dan had made his infamous denials. Since people talk about it so much, I thought it would be useful to have a comprehensive post about it in the FAQ section, along with an examination what Dan’s said and why it is or is not true.

So…

Q: Do Dan and Phil share clothes, i.e. has Dan worn Phil's clothes and vice-versa?
A: Yes. See the numerous photos further down in this post!

Q: Has Dan denied that he and Phil share clothes?
A: Yes. Many times:

• At least three times on vyou or in younow liveshows:

Vyou answer from July 6, 2011:

Question: I've noticed you and Phil often wear the same clothes...explain yourself!
Dan: No… pfft, “often” — what do you mean often? ...Okay, in that one video, I have the SAME pair of underwear as Phil; we both walked into Next and saw a pair of Sonic underwear and we had an argument over who should buy it, so… we both own the same pair of underwear. And for that one video, I borrowed his Babycakes t-shirt because everything I own is black and I wanted to not look boring ...“Often”? Really? [laughs] Creepers.

Liveshow from August 28, 2012:

20:05 - “I read something on, erm, Tumblr earlier… I’m thinking, uh, a segment I should start with these things is like ‘Stupid Thing Dan Saw on Tumblr of the Week.’ I’m only joking. I love everybody. […] But— I’ve had lots of people talking about, erm, me and Phil ‘sharing clothes’? Just because, you know, regardless of situation, we’ve seen — we’ve, you know, we’ve worn the same print of t-shirt on about four occasions over the last three years doesn’t mean we ~share clothes.~ You know, like, sisters do, or something like that. You know what I mean? It’s like…we own several items of the same clothing, ‘cause we’ve either been given them by somebody like Babycakes, or stuff like that. Err, me and Phil don’t like each other’s clothes. So don’t worry about that.”

Liveshow from October 8, 2013 (this one is specifically regarding his Cringe Attack video):

28:38 - “That’s Phil’s sweater” — “No. Pretty sure it’s my sweater. I love — no I don’t love; it made me incredibly depressed — that in my last video, (laughs) all these people were like, ‘Aren’t you wearing Phil’s t-shirts?’ And I was like, ‘Erm, well, yeah, I’m playing three children playing Pokémon cards at a Pokémon party, and three Pokémon t-shirts are owned by Phil, so yeah, I— I wore Pokémon t-shirts that were owned by Phil in my video, because I was playing children at a Pokémon party! (laughs) And, like, obviously most people got that and weren’t just like ‘Ooh! Feels!’ at it, but there were a few people that genuinely didn’t— were questioning why I was wearing three of Phil’s t-shirts. So in case you were one of those people that, erm, were genuinely actually wondering why, that’s why: ‘cause of a Pokémon party.”

• Twice on the customer service tumblr blog:

Ask: Why do you say you and Phil don’t share clothes, even with about 7 or 8 photos that prove otherwise?
Dan: When you say you ‘share clothes’ with somebody it implies that often you casually wear the other persons clothes instead of your own whenever you like for whatever purpose. Apart form the 2/3 identical items of clothing me and Phil wear and the jogging bottoms I gave him, there is pretty much always a strange/very specific reason. I might be in a ‘costume’ for a video, I might be wearing something because neither of us mind getting ruined, or blahblahblah. Yes, on occasion we will borrow another persons item of clothing because we need to for a specific reason, but we don’t ‘share clothes’ in the way that some of you probably want us to are implying. Either way I don’t see how this is either that important or interesting. xD


Ask: can we just establish that you do, in fact, wear phil’s clothes?!!!! xD
Dan: well not really in the way you’re implying. i don’t ‘wear his clothes’ unless there’s a specific reason for it. we either own the same item of clothing or if it’s for a video then i’m usually dressing as a ‘character’ or wearing something that i don’t want to get wet or something ~ feel free to post this answer in the tag as my head is hurting from banging against the desk every time i see someone go ‘omG they shur clothis!1 PHAN’ xD

• And twice regarding the Sonic boxers specifically:

I would just like to make clear xD
that I -am not- wearing Phil’s underwear! o_o lmao
we both own the same pair from Next
after arguing over who should get to have them
we both bought them.
NOW STOP BEING CREEPERS. =p


Comment: “i’d just like to point out that not only is dan wearing phil’s t-shirt he is also wearing his boxers :3”
Dan: no actually paul griffiths sent us both that t-shirt and we both bought those boxers =p you creepers!

[Note Dan’s comment that “paul griffiths sent us both that t-shirt and we both bought those boxers.” The Paul Griffiths part important in light of other statements he’s made.]

---

Q: Is what Dan’s saying true?
A: Not really. Sort of, but it’s very misleading.

First of all, he IS CORRECT that many times when he has worn something that belonged to Phil, it was merely to play a character in a video.
Here are a lot of examples of that kind of clothes-sharing:

(click to enlarge)


There is absolutely nothing to suggest that he would have worn those items of clothing if he weren’t performing a sketch, so imo these don’t really “count” as examples of them “sharing clothes.”


He has also worn Phil’s clothes in several videos where he wasn’t playing a character per se, but maybe something about the video called for a certain type of clothing. For example…

He wanted to look young/like a highschooler?:


They both wanted to wear Halloween clothes but not the same ones as the previous year:


Dan needed a good Christmas jumper:


He and Phil presumably wanted to match:

(Though Phil implies it was a coincidence in this tweet, which would actually be a suggestion that they do casually share clothes lol):

And some instances are even less justifiable, but could still possibly be examples of Dan sharing Phil’s clothes for a specific reason (and one instance of Phil sharing Dan’s!!):


(NOTE: according to Dan, “we own several items of the same clothing, ‘cause we’ve either been given them by somebody like Babycakes, or stuff like that” — which could be interpreted to mean he is claiming that he has his own version of this shirt. Though he has NEVER worn it in any other video. Same goes for the purple Babycakes shirt seen below.)


(A rare instance of Phil in Dan’s clothing! Another example would be the burgundy A&F sweatpants)


Note that Dan also wore this shirt in his Truth or Dare 3 video, likely it is an example of something where “because neither of us mind getting it ruined”:


That being said, there are many, many instances where we have photographic proof that Dan DOES wear Phil’s clothes in a casual way, even when it doesn’t matter what he’s wearing and he’s just lounging around the house or on vacation:

(click to enlarge)


To be fair, a lot of these are from times when Dan was visiting Phil’s house (so he probably had a significantly limited wardrobe with him at the time), or when they were on vacation together (again, limited wardrobe).

Also, Dan refers to “the jogging bottoms I gave him” — presumably the burgundy A&F ones. So according to Dan those don’t count.


But many of these examples have no apparent explanation, except for the explanation that they do indeed “share clothes, you know, like, sisters do, or something like that.”

For example, in the one where he’s wearing Phil’s green sweatshirt, he is not living with Phil and he’s not staying at Phil’s house. He is at Uni, which means that he had to intentionally borrow it from Phil. Also, it’s noteworthy that this seems to be Phil’s go-to hoodie for when he’s ill. He wears it in “Man Flu” and in a liveshow where he’s sick (the Toxic liveshow lol). Aww.

You’ll notice I picked an example of him wearing the orange Babycakes t-shirt from somewhere other than the pancakes video.

Which brings us to…

Everything you could ever want to know about the Babycakes t-shirts.

Dan and Phil own, between them, five Babycakes t-shirts (Dan would have you believe there are duplicates involved; this is dubious):



The orange one gets the most attention. Let’s examine Dan’s mutually-exclusive claims about this t-shirt (complete quotes cited above):

• 1) “And for that one video, I borrowed his Babycakes t-shirt because everything I own is black and I wanted to not look boring”
  
  2) “no actually paul griffiths sent us both that t-shirt”

Which version is the truth?

Well, Phil mentions in his video “Worst Birthday EVER!!” (February 15, 2010) that he was given five Babycakes t-shirts for his birthday:

2:29 - “Also I want to say a quick thanks to Paul Griffiths (who lives down the road!) who sent me five Babycakes t-shirts!”

He then shows brief clips of himself in four of the t-shirts.


And Dan commented on the video:

“I apologise to you all for stealing the 5th bbycks t-shirt that he couldn’t show you xD”

We do indeed have two examples of Dan wearing the elusive 5th Babycakes t-shirt in videos:


Source: Now-privated video called “LET’S HAVE A QUICKIE” from April 30, 2010


(Source video)

It’s this shirt:


Dan’s early comments (“I apologise to you all for stealing the 5th bbycks t-shirt that he couldn’t show you xD” and “for that one video, I borrowed his Babycakes t-shirt because everything I own is black and I wanted to not look boring”) both suggest that Paul Griffiths gave Phil five t-shirts and Dan “stole” one of them. Which would mean Dan was lying when he later claimed, twice, that they were BOTH gifted he orange shirt (and possibly other babycakes shirts as well). If he’s not lying later, then he was lying when he said he “borrowed Phil’s Babycakes t-shirt,” but why would he have lied about that?

So, in conclusion:
Yes, Dan and Phil share clothes. That much is certain.
What is up for debate are Dan’s motivations. Sometimes, Dan only borrows Phil’s clothes for videos. Other times, he seemingly borrows them just for fun / convenience / sentimental reasons. Dan has vastly downplayed the frequency with which he borrows Phil’s clothes and made it sound like he does it only when forced to by logistical factors or the need to give different characters costumes in his sketch videos. This is clearly not true. He’s also blatantly lied — regardless of which tale is the truth, it is undeniable that he has said contradictory things.

It’s not a big deal that Dan and Phil share clothes (except maybe the underwear…), but Dan made it a big deal by denying it.

Also note: The last instance I can find of a blatant clothes-sharing denial is October 2013. That was more than two years ago. He has borrowed Phil’s clothes several times since then, in very overt ways. So possibly he’s left this phase behind him.

Maybe even in 2013 he was starting leaving it behind, as he kind of alludes lightheartedly (?) to borrowing Phil’s glasses in this tweet from October 2, 2013 (also about the “Cringe Attack” video:



BONUS:
I often see these cited as examples of Dan and Phil sharing clothes. They are not in fact the same items of clothing, if you look closely!

SOURCES FOR ALL PHOTOS/VIDEOS OF BORROWED CLOTHES UNDER THIS SPOILER

(I generally only cite instances of the borrower in the clothes, because examples of the actual owner wearing the clothing item are plentiful, but sometimes I just gave examples for both of them, especially for more obscure articles of clothing)

Green monster “OMFG” shirt
• Dan = https://youtu.be/qAy4ReRp-Ms?t=46s

Phil’s red check shirt
• Dan = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOaHXQX0D6A,
https://youtu.be/TmezqIAEGWg?t=2m58s

Dan’s cowl neck shirt
• Phil = https://youtu.be/pziLevHeXfY?t=3m54s

Phil’s lavender button-down shirt
• Phil = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7vmqb5uVZw
• Dan = https://youtu.be/5MXSGKxJfvo?t=4m4s

Phil’s black Adventure Time t-shirt
• Phil = https://youtu.be/Q99gjPr3cXg?t=2m38s
• Dan = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QQngSLphso

Phil’s yellow Adventure Time hoodie
• Dan = https://youtu.be/Uz-jMB6yKkQ?t=3m6s

Halloween jumper
• Phil = https://youtu.be/f174WUt-WSA
• Dan = https://youtu.be/0z2KicjbnAE

Phil’s alien abduction Christmas jumper
• Dan = best of the Internet Takeover https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cptQvWrIgIc

Phil’s white Saatchi Gallery shirt (heart being stabbed)
• Dan = https://youtu.be/_gsY16ZfYgc?t=3m2s,
https://youtu.be/90rFPUenDs4?t=3m52s
• Phil = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnvs_HchZsg, dailybooth, etc.

Purple Babycakes t-shirt
• Dan = 2011 MCR concert with Phil, photos can be found here: http://elliegalaxies.tumblr.com/post/58 ... r-the-anon and here: http://phanscherryblossom.tumblr.com/po ... booth-phan (Dailybooth February 18, 2011)

Light gray polo
• Dan = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eFMP0YKbeQ, various skits
• Phil = http://fyeahdanhowell.tumblr.com/post/2 ... -aw-when-i

Orange Babycakes t-shirt
• Dan = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jnh8Lj0hDho, old vyous (ex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqiEeMdpD9s)
• Phil = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4YXYDCOXIU,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c9gllzMNnI

Multicolored Babycakes t-shirt
• Dan = https://youtu.be/E7_NDqU_r5k?t=6m1s

Phil’s black jacket
• Dan = https://youtu.be/c_FPKXoTkzs?t=1m48s,
https://youtu.be/Y5H8PvY4eLc?t=1m50s

Phil’s blue and black check cardigan
• Dan = Dailybooth, December 12, 2009
• Phil = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwiIRi9ZAu4

Phil’s dark red mottled polo
• Dan = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxc_zWDfW1k,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzkY96W6G5k
• Phil = party photos, Portugal trip http://41.media.tumblr.com/63cee4f2589d ... o3_500.png,
https://youtu.be/P4Zn5eP63mA?t=2m45s

Phil’s green & red plaid shirt with leather elbow patches
• Dan = https://youtu.be/Y5H8PvY4eLc?t=4m19s

Phil’s green “sick” hoodie
• Dan = Dailybooth, October 12, 2010
• Phil = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPIwQ69DeaA,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98BM_66MMCA

Phil’s green York hoodie
• Dan = https://twitter.com/amazingphil/status/ ... 2162064386

Phil’s green and black check shirt
• Dan = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElPqY0emgFU
• (Phil wears it in the same video — they filmed it over the course of two days; Dan wears it the first day and Phil wears it the second day)

Phil’s Sunnydale High t-shirt
• Dan = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtsxR3ZQbec
• Phil = https://youtu.be/3tuuyreoEyI?t=19s
https://youtu.be/3tuuyreoEyI?t=20s

Phil’s blue shirt with small buttons
• Dan = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dduneCif3zY

Phil’s black shirt:
• Dan = Jamaica photos, videos (ex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZe5OPhXBGM)
• Phil = (Various places, but he’s wearing it at 1:09 and 1:38 of this Jamaica video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZe5OPhXBGM, then he seemingly gives it to Dan?)

Phil’s yellow and black socks:
• Dan = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhQItMIzzYg

Maroon A&F sweatpants:
• Phil = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiQHN4-jhrQ,
https://youtu.be/P-f8KwiMgBE?t=2m18s
• Dan = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nBoSfzz6Bk,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YRcF39IVMw

Sonic underwear:
• Phil = https://youtu.be/_c9gllzMNnI?t=2m32s
• Dan = https://youtu.be/Jnh8Lj0hDho?t=38s

Music note underwear:
• Dan = https://youtu.be/p6CER-c7gUs?t=8m,
also at 1:55 of “Inappropriate Winking” https://youtu.be/X_Qdx7aGF9k?t=1m54s
• Phil = now-privated video called “I found a slinky”

Phil’s red Tokyo Festival shirt
• Dan = http://thefantasticfoursome.tumblr.com/post/16386422565
• Phil = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK7-YoSVNyg,
http://thefantasticfoursome.tumblr.com/post/13593068830, other times

[kuensukki]

i just thing its a big part of his brand and his persona more than anything else. he plays it up and most of the time it feels dishonest to me like the innocent AP the cinnamon roll sunshine. A bit of truth and a lot of brand. Others hate the AP childish brand i hate the relatable meme self deprecating king dinof brand

I'll be honest, I don't think the part you hate is as much of a branding as you think it is. I think the dinof brand is more genuinely Dan, and I get why someone would dislike it (I am a lot like that brand sometimes, and honestly, a lot of people don't like me, but the ones who like me love me), and while it's played up, I think it's a genuine and significant part of his personality.

idk, maybe I'm just falling into his #relatable trap

I think DINOF is a very extreme, dramatic representation of Dan Howell and his beliefs. The main characteristics like insecurity, vulnerability, existentialism (to an extent), awkwardness with social interactions can be extended to his real life personality but they are extremes. His tendency to self-deprecate is also present in how he tries to hold is videos at a high regard but in terms of other areas of life he seems really confident sure of himself. DINOF was created for the masses, alot of his statement and opinions in old videos were made on things he had read or heard not exactly him. The #relatable portion of DINOF is the only one that seems forced to me. Dan Howell (the one in livestreams and vlogs, DITL) comes off as really subdued, yes he has this sarcastic humor/he's loud but its not as dramatic as DINOF. He is actually alot weirder than he lets on Like when I am watching a gaming video when he takes the back seat and just goes with the flow this is when I appreciate Dan best. The relaxed calm Dan that can slip in a joke that will have me dying. (ceramic bitch being the best recent example)

Same goes for Phil and AP. I see the word persona being throw around quite carelessly. Like this Louis video I thought I saw some geniune Phil Lester who under no structure crumbled. He tried to overcompensate his dread of where the conversation was going by bringing in inanimate objects like Poe and the stuffed dogs to lighten the mood. A part of me feels like he's stuck being the child entertainer. I want to look for any signs that he might want to break out because he certainly is struggling to incorporate the image into collabs. That being said AP really is an exaggeration of Phil. Yes it may be extreme but the small little qualities that make Phil Lester are in AP like his awkwardness, love for animals, mismatched socks and ,even (as we discovered recently) avoidance of any serious subjects including things like mortality. He really does like to keep topics positive and lighthearted and he does seem to be caught in some strange situations.

To sum up my feelings, they both have personas but their personas are essentially exaggerations of the qualities they possess.