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000dia000 wrote:

confetti-j wrote:this is off topic even in the off topic thread, but I was watching some old school Phil yesterday and in his video called two thousand nine he mentioned talking to a girl on a train that said she recognized him from a commercial where he said "YES",
does that commercial exist? or was he joking?

Phil made an appearance in a few confused.com adverts in 2009, these would have been all over British tv:

Thanks for yhe quick response! those commercials are so funny

This is random but was anyone around when they announced the FF7 remake and the whole world lost its shit? Did deppy make any sort of comment about it?

melon lord wrote:This is random but was anyone around when they announced the FF7 remake and the whole world lost its shit? Did deppy make any sort of comment about it?

http://twitter.com/AmazingPhil/status/6 ... 12?lang=en

melon lord wrote: I just found it odd that like along with all the tweets, pics and the entire flirty past, when the "cat is out of the bag" as it were, with the video, why not just come clean and close the topic? Zoella and Alfie tried to keep it secret for a while, didn't they? Before that photo from their laptop got noticed? I mean that is pretty incriminating in itself but you'd think that after the video being leaked you'd just say "yeah" and shut it down forever, but the furious denial just never made sense to me. If there was never any indication ever of them being together then I'd sort of understand that it's a "secret" but there was so much interaction and nudge nudge hints to it that it's become the elephant in the room

I think to me the main difference between zalfie being outed via the picture on their laptop and dnp being outed via the vday video comes down to sexuality. Zoe and Alfie are a straight m/f couple, and while having their relationship revealed to their audience against their will was undoubtedly upsetting, they didn't have to come up against an inevitable wave of homophobia/biphobia.

If dnp had decided to confirm their relationship after the vday video leaked, it would have meant they'd had to come out as not straight to their audience, and if that wasn't something they were ready to do (and clearly, it wasn't) then I completely understand why they so vehemently denied it. To me, the vday video is obviously real and not a prank, and I believe that excuse just as much as I would if Zoe and Alfie had decided to make out like the photo of them on her laptop was also a prank. But I'm willing to go along with their excuse, because I completely understand how terrifying it must have felt to have such a personal secret revealed to the world against their will.

So yeah, in summary I guess I'd say that being outed as not straight against their will was what caused dnp to deny their relationship after the voldy leak/s, compared to how easy it was for Zoe to just whip up a quick blog post confirming her and Alfie's relationship.

000dia000 wrote:

melon lord wrote:This is random but was anyone around when they announced the FF7 remake and the whole world lost its shit? Did deppy make any sort of comment about it?

http://twitter.com/AmazingPhil/status/6 ... 12?lang=en

THANK YOU I swear I did actually search but nothing was coming up

captainspacecoat wrote:
I think to me the main difference between zalfie being outed via the picture on their laptop and dnp being outed via the vday video comes down to sexuality. Zoe and Alfie are a straight m/f couple, and while having their relationship revealed to their audience against their will was undoubtedly upsetting, they didn't have to come up against an inevitable wave of homophobia/biphobia.

If dnp had decided to confirm their relationship after the vday video leaked, it would have meant they'd had to come out as not straight to their audience, and if that wasn't something they were ready to do (and clearly, it wasn't) then I completely understand why they so vehemently denied it. To me, the vday video is obviously real and not a prank, and I believe that excuse just as much as I would if Zoe and Alfie had decided to make out like the photo of them on her laptop was also a prank. But I'm willing to go along with their excuse, because I completely understand how terrifying it must have felt to have such a personal secret revealed to the world against their will.

So yeah, in summary I guess I'd say that being outed as not straight against their will was what caused dnp to deny their relationship after the voldy leak/s, compared to how easy it was for Zoe to just whip up a quick blog post confirming her and Alfie's relationship.

I would totally agree with you there, I speak from personal experience how terrifying being outed can be. But until the leak they had been very publically lovey dovey and very obviously "shady" (I can't find another term for that but you know what I mean). If the leak came out with no prior hints to a relationship or feelings then yes that's easy to deny but they were tweeting and photoboothing like a new couple, in public no less. Why did those gestures of affection not bother them? If it was just being outed wouldn't they have kept the "no homo" to the maximum? like "yeah meeting my mate Phil and gonna have beers at the pub" kind of thing, rather than [insert basically any Dan tweet from those times].

My only guess was being naive about being so outspoken on the internet. I think tumblr sealed that nail in the coffin.

melon lord wrote:
I would totally agree with you there, I speak from personal experience how terrifying being outed can be. But until the leak they had been very publically lovey dovey and very obviously "shady" (I can't find another term for that but you know what I mean). If the leak came out with no prior hints to a relationship or feelings then yes that's easy to deny but they were tweeting and photoboothing like a new couple, in public no less. Why did those gestures of affection not bother them? If it was just being outed wouldn't they have kept the "no homo" to the maximum? like "yeah meeting my mate Phil and gonna have beers at the pub" kind of thing, rather than [insert basically any Dan tweet from those times].

My only guess was being naive about being so outspoken on the internet. I think tumblr sealed that nail in the coffin.

i think their behavior is very explainable when you look at it from the "not dating" point of view though. they were obviously close friends who had no limits on how they expressed their affection for each other, everyone around them knew they were not a couple, their fans "shipping" them was just ridiculous fun - especially since even at the time they clarified anything that might have come off too "gay" , like when dan asked if phil wants to have an "interrobang" and phil said "not with you" etc., but with the leak that looked really suspicious they got an influx of fans who were actually tinhatting them to the point of compiling their past interactions into pdf files, "connecting the dots" and distributing it like legit proof. they got annoyed, scared and humiliated. yes, no matter how much someone supports lgbt+ rights, some men people can't handle very public speculations about their sexuality and try to put on a more macho and bro-like persona and decrease the interactions in an attempt to end the rumours. but it was obviously not their true self so it faded with time, and now we even can see them mocking the bro culture in their millionaire video.

if they are dating, then idk guys... then they must have gone through a rollercoaster of identity crises and i bet it wasn't pretty

(btw, i know nothing about 1D but i saw this quote about "larry" from their co-grouper and it sums up the same kind of situation pretty well)

papierklemmen wrote: i think their behavior is very explainable when you look at it from the "not dating" point of view though. they were obviously close friends who had no limits on how they expressed their affection for each other, everyone around them knew they were not a couple, their fans "shipping" them was just ridiculous fun - especially since even at the time they clarified anything that might have come off too "gay" , like when dan asked if phil wants to have an "interrobang" and phil said "not with you" etc., but with the leak that looked really suspicious they got an influx of fans who were actually tinhatting them to the point of compiling their past interactions into pdf files, "connecting the dots" and distributing it like legit proof. they got annoyed, scared and humiliated. yes, no matter how much someone supports lgbt+ rights, some men people can't handle very public speculations about their sexuality and try to put on a more macho and bro-like persona and decrease the interactions in an attempt to end the rumours. but it was obviously not their true self so it faded with time, and now we even can see them mocking the bro culture in their millionaire video.

if they are dating, then idk guys... then they must have gone through a rollercoaster of identity crises and i bet it wasn't pretty

(btw, i know nothing about 1D but i saw this quote about "larry" from their co-grouper and it sums up the same kind of situation pretty well)

Referring to 'Larry Stylinson' - the make-believe joint name for members Harry Styles and Louis Tomlinson, who Directioners have theorised are secretly in a romance - he said: 'There's no secret relationships going on with any of the band members.' The young star, who found fame on The X Factor with the other lads back in 2010, added that it caused problems for Louis and Harry, who couldn't even act like normal friends around each other.

'It's not funny, and it still continues to be quite hard for them,' he added, showing a bit of sympathy for his former co-stars in an interview that otherwise was altogether more negative. 'They won't naturally go put their arm around each other because they're conscious of this thing that's going on, which is not even true. They won't do that.'

I don't believe they are dating, either. But I'm also open to the possibility that they are. I guess you could say phan-agnostic. I just like to discuss things that have nothing to do with my life The way the leak was handled was rather terrible, Dan only clarified it in his rants quite a bit after the event, the copyright claims are such an extreme measure if only they had cleared it up from the start, officially. Rather than sweeping it under the rug which leaves a visible bump for fans to be nosy about.

melon lord wrote: I don't believe they are dating, either. But I'm also open to the possibility that they are. I guess you could say phan-agnostic. I just like to discuss things that have nothing to do with my life The way the leak was handled was rather terrible, Dan only clarified it in his rants quite a bit after the event, the copyright claims are such an extreme measure if only they had cleared it up from the start, officially. Rather than sweeping it under the rug which leaves a visible bump for fans to be nosy about.

i am also open to that possibility, but i won't believe it until they scream it in my face
i agree that the leak was handled badly, but i don't think there was a better way around it tbh. they thought that not bringing attention to it would be a better way out, after all, keeping mum about everything has worked out pretty well for phil and doing the opposite has done dan more harm than good. but they just underestimated how much fandom blows everything out of proportion. then again, if you look at their content: they don't have any (or very few) "meta" videos that youtubers usually like so much, e.g. personal life announcement, clarification, rant, apology, youtube drama videos etc. so, they wouldn't make a video ala pewdiepie asking their fans not to come to their house or complain about youtube, they wouldn't make a video ala emma blackery apologizing for past actions etc... so breaking that pattern and explaining something like this on youtube would be really out of character and make their channels less "work only" and cross into the "personal stuff/daily vlog" territory, and also would bring attention to the issue with those casual viewers who don't care about checking their tags on tumblr. i actually think that keeping their youtube channels relatively drama-free was a good strategy.

just want to add why you really cant compare the Zalfie situation to the voldy leak for many reasons:

- sexuality aka implied coming out as captainspacecoat pointed out

- Zoe and Alfie are daily vloggers who'd have talked about their relationship sooner or later anyway, while DnP always kept their personal life out of their yt content

- one picture of them kissing is way different than confirming a whole very private video to be legit. That would have meant pretty much laying their relationship bare for the world to see. (assuming they are/were dating) I dont think there are many examples of something so personal of a "famous" person leaking.

- DnP still used their twitter and other social media very much like personal outlets in the beginning (esp Dan), probably due to naivety about the internet's power to preserve everything and underestimating how big their fandom would be later. Zoe and Alfie were already way bigger and established when the picture happened, so they probably didnt have to change their behaviour that much since they knew how to handle fan's speculations and publicity beforehand

- again, assuming they are dating (I am tired of writing this, can we have an acronym for that already? ATAD) you need to consider that in the beginning they could only interact online, which is why we have so much proof of them flirting from that time. Ambiguous comments, pictures and hints are a totally normal way for people to flirt online if just getting to know each other and testing the waters. After they met in person and later even moved in together there was no need for that open bluntness anymore. And the leak of voldy was the nail in the coffin for any ambiguity online. Nothing illogical about that progression

papierklemmen wrote:i think their behavior is very explainable when you look at it from the "not dating" point of view though. they were obviously close friends who had no limits on how they expressed their affection for each other, everyone around them knew they were not a couple, their fans "shipping" them was just ridiculous fun - especially since even at the time they clarified anything that might have come off too "gay" , like when dan asked if phil wants to have an "interrobang" and phil said "not with you" etc., but with the leak that looked really suspicious they got an influx of fans who were actually tinhatting them to the point of compiling their past interactions into pdf files, "connecting the dots" and distributing it like legit proof. they got annoyed, scared and humiliated. yes, no matter how much someone supports lgbt+ rights, some men people can't handle very public speculations about their sexuality and try to put on a more macho and bro-like persona and decrease the interactions in an attempt to end the rumours. but it was obviously not their true self so it faded with time, and now we even can see them mocking the bro culture in their millionaire video.

if they are dating, then idk guys... then they must have gone through a rollercoaster of identity crises and i bet it wasn't pretty

(btw, i know nothing about 1D but i saw this quote about "larry" from their co-grouper and it sums up the same kind of situation pretty well)

Referring to 'Larry Stylinson' - the make-believe joint name for members Harry Styles and Louis Tomlinson, who Directioners have theorised are secretly in a romance - he said: 'There's no secret relationships going on with any of the band members.' The young star, who found fame on The X Factor with the other lads back in 2010, added that it caused problems for Louis and Harry, who couldn't even act like normal friends around each other.

'It's not funny, and it still continues to be quite hard for them,' he added, showing a bit of sympathy for his former co-stars in an interview that otherwise was altogether more negative. 'They won't naturally go put their arm around each other because they're conscious of this thing that's going on, which is not even true. They won't do that.'

Honestly, I barely post, but you tend to make me wanna post more often. First of all, I don't know how you can look at their story and think 'nothing suggests there was ever anything else than friendship'. Like, how? Would you think the same way had they been a boy and a girl?

They clarified 'not being gay for each other'? lol when was that? when dan turned to phil to say he was wearing orange spotty boxers in amazingdan? Honestly I see nothing from their early interactions to even suggest they were making clear they were your typical bros. The interrobang comment you refer to was like 'your mum', and I'm sure you don't think dan really wanted to do phil's mum, do you?

Also, saying that someone that supports LGBT people would get offended at being called gay makes absolutely no sense to me. If you get offended at the thought that someone might think you are not straight, you are not exactly supportive, are you?

And finally, please stop comparing larry to phan. I've noticed you've done it a few times, probably to make phan shippers look like deluded moody teenagers that won't take a 'no' for an answer. Believe me, I knew nothing about fandoms before dan and phil, and it took me like 10 seconds of looking up larry to realise it had 0 chance of being a real thing. It's not heart eyes or casual touching that make people believe dan and phil might be in a relationship, it's the bigger picture.

annetamiau wrote:

papierklemmen wrote:i think their behavior is very explainable when you look at it from the "not dating" point of view though. they were obviously close friends who had no limits on how they expressed their affection for each other, everyone around them knew they were not a couple, their fans "shipping" them was just ridiculous fun - especially since even at the time they clarified anything that might have come off too "gay" , like when dan asked if phil wants to have an "interrobang" and phil said "not with you" etc., but with the leak that looked really suspicious they got an influx of fans who were actually tinhatting them to the point of compiling their past interactions into pdf files, "connecting the dots" and distributing it like legit proof. they got annoyed, scared and humiliated. yes, no matter how much someone supports lgbt+ rights, some men people can't handle very public speculations about their sexuality and try to put on a more macho and bro-like persona and decrease the interactions in an attempt to end the rumours. but it was obviously not their true self so it faded with time, and now we even can see them mocking the bro culture in their millionaire video.

if they are dating, then idk guys... then they must have gone through a rollercoaster of identity crises and i bet it wasn't pretty

(btw, i know nothing about 1D but i saw this quote about "larry" from their co-grouper and it sums up the same kind of situation pretty well)

Referring to 'Larry Stylinson' - the make-believe joint name for members Harry Styles and Louis Tomlinson, who Directioners have theorised are secretly in a romance - he said: 'There's no secret relationships going on with any of the band members.' The young star, who found fame on The X Factor with the other lads back in 2010, added that it caused problems for Louis and Harry, who couldn't even act like normal friends around each other.

'It's not funny, and it still continues to be quite hard for them,' he added, showing a bit of sympathy for his former co-stars in an interview that otherwise was altogether more negative. 'They won't naturally go put their arm around each other because they're conscious of this thing that's going on, which is not even true. They won't do that.'

Honestly, I barely post, but you tend to make me wanna post more often. First of all, I don't know how you can look at their story and think 'nothing suggests there was ever anything else than friendship'. Like, how? Would you think the same way had they been a boy and a girl?

They clarified 'not being gay for each other'? lol when was that? when dan turned to phil to say he was wearing orange spotty boxers in amazingdan? Honestly I see nothing from their early interactions to even suggest they were making clear they were your typical bros. The interrobang comment you refer to was like 'your mum', and I'm sure you don't think dan really wanted to do phil's mum, do you?

Also, saying that someone that supports LGBT people would get offended at being called gay makes absolutely no sense to me. If you get offended at the thought that someone might think you are not straight, you are not exactly supportive, are you?

And finally, please stop comparing larry to phan. I've noticed you've done it a few times, probably to make phan shippers look like deluded moody teenagers that won't take a 'no' for an answer. Believe me, I knew nothing about fandoms before dan and phil, and it took me like 10 seconds of looking up larry to realise it had 0 chance of being a real thing. It's not heart eyes or casual touching that make people believe dan and phil might be in a relationship, it's the bigger picture.

look, i don't know why you take such personal offence at me sharing my opinion here. everything is speculation and a point of view, so please relax. i'm not going to reply to your points because it'll be like talking to a wall anyway ("to make phan shippers look deluded moody teenagers that won't take a "no" for an answer", really? conspiracy much) and it's not a hill i want to die on.

...Nothing else to add to the current discussion, but I find it interesting on how most of the view count in Phil's content is very consistent. Most of the time, it's 1.9M-2M, and, like any YTer, his view count increases if it's a collab, but not exactly 5M over the norm. Same with Dan's, but Dan's tend to range along the line of 3M-5M, and for me, I think that it's quite a good thing. If you compare their view counts to other vloggers (...they're vloggers, right? I'm sorry), it's quite an impressive amount, even if they have a monthly uploading schedule, unlike those other vloggers who upload daily or weekly. Like, Deppy's view count is quite proportional to their number of subs- at least a half of the number of their subs seems to be watching their videos. I only checked a few vloggers, so I'm not exactly sure, but their view count is not exactly... quite proprtional to their subs. I mean, YT still has that glitch(I think?), so my numbers are (probably) not exactly right, but... it's like, only 1/5-1/3 of their subs seems to watch their content... or less.
...I think that this has been discussed before somewhere... along the line...
P.S. Does rewatching add another view count? If yes, then even if not a half of Deppy's subs watch their videos, they're still very interesting to rewatch.

CallMeAyana wrote:...Nothing else to add to the current discussion, but I find it interesting on how most of the view count in Phil's content is very consistent. Most of the time, it's 1.9M-2M, and, like any YTer, his view count increases if it's a collab, but not exactly 5M over the norm. Same with Dan's, but Dan's tend to range along the line of 3M-5M, and for me, I think that it's quite a good thing. If you compare their view counts to other vloggers (...they're vloggers, right? I'm sorry), it's quite an impressive amount, even if they have a monthly uploading schedule, unlike those other vloggers who upload daily or weekly. Like, Deppy's view count is quite proportional to their number of subs- at least a half of the number of their subs seems to be watching their videos. I only checked a few vloggers, so I'm not exactly sure, but their view count is not exactly... quite proprtional to their subs. I mean, YT still has that glitch(I think?), so my numbers are (probably) not exactly right, but... it's like, only 1/5-1/3 of their subs seems to watch their content... or less.
...I think that this has been discussed before somewhere... along the line...
P.S. Does rewatching add another view count? If yes, then even if not a half of Deppy's subs watch their videos, they're still very interesting to rewatch.

Less videos = more views per video is a pretty solid formula generally. With daily vloggers or gamers, significantly less people have time, dedication, and desire to watch all of their content (especially if it's varied and everyone picks something they are interested in). And incentive to re watch is less, both because there is always new content and a lot of old content is frankly forgettable in the face of it. On the other end of the scale you have someone like Jontron, who may have 2 million subs but 6-10 million views bc mother fucker could go months without uploading

That said, I do think that Deppy have a very loyal fan base and can count on steadier stream of views... and those rewatchez for moments of ship feels sure help

a very random question, because someone mentioned the uma thurman tweet yesterday, and it reminded me that i wondered about it before: does anyone know if people took this tweet literally at the time? i remember reading the timeline and thinking that this tweet (and the subsequent one with an attached picture) stood out like a sore thumb among dan's other tweets referring to his relationships/sex life. yes, he did post nudes, but for the most part all comments on (supposedly) his love life were toned done before he got formspring (all i see is cherry, all i feel is cherry). and then there was this blatant I JUST HAD SEX.
like, there was a tweet from phil that had no context but people obviously assumed he was talking about a video game or the like ("i just got stabbed and dan watched" or smth) because no one would assume he literally got stabbed somewhere in the alleyway. so yeah, just that.

papierklemmen wrote:a very random question, because someone mentioned the uma thurman tweet yesterday, and it reminded me that i wondered about it before: does anyone know if people took this tweet literally at the time? i remember reading the timeline and thinking that this tweet (and the subsequent one with an attached picture) stood out like a sore thumb among dan's other tweets referring to his relationships/sex life. yes, he did post nudes, but for the most part all comments on (supposedly) his love life were toned done before he got formspring (all i see is cherry, all i feel is cherry). and then there was this blatant I JUST HAD SEX.
like, there was a tweet from phil that had no context but people obviously assumed he was talking about a video game or the like ("i just got stabbed and dan watched" or smth) because no one would assume he literally got stabbed somewhere in the alleyway. so yeah, just that.

There aren't many replies (because Dan didn't have many followers at that point - for perspective, he didn't hit 4000 twitter followers until the end of December) but yes, all the ones visible now indicate people assumed he and Phil had sex - besides a couple people who just commenting on Kill Bill. The assumption never went corrected by anyone.

If you're curious in seeing both of their tweets from that week lined up, I archived everything remaining a while back. (The condom wrappers one is my fave.)

alittledizzy wrote:

papierklemmen wrote:a very random question, because someone mentioned the uma thurman tweet yesterday, and it reminded me that i wondered about it before: does anyone know if people took this tweet literally at the time? i remember reading the timeline and thinking that this tweet (and the subsequent one with an attached picture) stood out like a sore thumb among dan's other tweets referring to his relationships/sex life. yes, he did post nudes, but for the most part all comments on (supposedly) his love life were toned done before he got formspring (all i see is cherry, all i feel is cherry). and then there was this blatant I JUST HAD SEX.
like, there was a tweet from phil that had no context but people obviously assumed he was talking about a video game or the like ("i just got stabbed and dan watched" or smth) because no one would assume he literally got stabbed somewhere in the alleyway. so yeah, just that.

There aren't many replies (because Dan didn't have many followers at that point - for perspective, he didn't hit 4000 twitter followers until the end of December) but yes, all the ones visible now indicate people assumed he and Phil had sex - besides a couple people who just commenting on Kill Bill. The assumption never went corrected by anyone.

If you're curious in seeing both of their tweets from that week lined up, I archived everything remaining a while back. (The condom wrappers one is my fave.)

thanks! lmao the condom wrappers comment...

Charlie knows what's up especially after that stunning pic of Phil

melon lord wrote:

Charlie knows what's up especially after that stunning pic of Phil

I guess I'm not an idiot, then
Ah... And Charlie looks like Dan back then, so do you guys think that it's one of the factors why Phil got attracted to Dan?