^THIS RIGHT HERE IS HOW I FEELdontpanic wrote:Tdlr, there’s 99 reasons to care about minorities and a t-shirt using the language from a country featuring a picture taken in said country aint one.
Vlogger duo Dan Howell and Phil Lester will host a ninety-minute live show to kick off the event on May 5, for which you can purchase tickets right
I mean.. tell that to native communities the world over who were violently forced to give up their 'savage' language and assimilate to the 'civilized' white tongue (maybe give 'residential schools' a google sometime). I'm wildly ignorant about all things Japanese so I'll stay out of that, but that is some bullshit up there. And here's the thing: you likely had no malice behind it, yet it was still not an inoffensive statement. People do and say things all the time without meaning to be insensitive or to offend, and yet. It's also kind of interesting that some of the people so passionate here about how innocuous the merch is are ignoring the posts of people who have an actual claim to the culture who aren't just joyous about sharing it (or you know, about other people, with no such claim, sharing it. for financial profit). And like. why does anybody care about anything when cancer exists. We should all focus on cancer until it's gone and then maybe, idk, what's next on the list. There will always be a more important issue, depending on who you're talking to. Doesn't diminish the importance of it to people who aren't you. And that also doesn't mean you have to agree with it, but maybe 'there are bigger things to care about' isn't the most helpful sentiment when you just want to shut someone else down./fɪl lɛstɚ/ wrote:Agreed. I just think that language is not the same as culture. To me, language isn't something that belongs to anyone because we all have the capacity to learn different language, change language, have individual differences in dialects and usage, etc. etc. etc. Cultural appropriation is real but I don't think that Dan and Phil putting some Japanese graphemes on a shirt is something that anyone should be too concerned about.saffarinda wrote:an argument over them using a different language on their merch... really guys? i'm all up for calling out cultural appropriation but this is just??
also, reverse racism does exist - i have a white polish friend who could prove that to you (try not to forget about white minorities as well!)
There are much worse things to be upset over in this world.
but I thought they said they have no neighbours to worry about on that side "and there is no neighbour through the walls sleeping so we won't have that sudden realisation of thinking that we were screaming at people trying to sleep for 4 years" (14:27 ls)Catallena wrote: - Here we go with the screaming again. Dan is already pissing off the new neighbors.
Holy hell you're right.Ilovethemohyesido wrote:Did anyone notice the jump cut after Phil's northern accent moment? Dan's hair looks all messed up right after.
Didn't say ya can't just expressing my opinion of deppy's merch as well, which is that I find it to be none of Jay-Z's 99 problems.august wrote:@dontpanic: i get where you're coming from and i completely agree that the argument is pretty trivial in the big scheme of things, but this is a d&p forum where i assume we're allowed to bring up how we feel about the things d&p do. :/ vid!
there was such a fluffy giggly vibe to the video, i loved it a lot more than i expected. i was honestly excited for anything at all, so i didn't mind the face swap filler. i'll take domestic banter happily anytime!capybantsa wrote:So about the video, I watched it and even though it was just a dumb face swap video and I wish they would do more story-based games I couldn't stop smiling somehow. Really adorable, it seems like they're very happy in their new place so far
Speaking of, I love the new room! So bright and fresh feeling! And wtf is that red thing in the corner? Idk but it's modern af and I love it
Also this video is not helping me not ship them
capybantsa wrote:Hi guys, casual fan here.
The way western schools never teach outside the Euro-centric perspective makes it hard to consider dynamics of other countries (in general, not subtweeting anyone here!). I once got called a kurombo by a classmate in undergrad. Like, I feel dirty using that word and I'm black.capybantsa wrote:There is institutional discrimination based on race [...]
Sorry to rant, but really if you knew ANYTHING about Japan you would know that this "cultural appropriation" argument is so horribly misguided in every single way. Dan and Phil are behaving exactly how Japanese people and Japanese government want them to. They could not be better to Japan if they tried.
Just going to lift this up from your post to second it lol. There are (army) veterans or their descendant who are still alive that will not tolerate any japan made things including electrical appliances or even japan slippers because of the nightmare that was japanese occupation during world war ii.capybantsa wrote:Other countries in Asia envy, hate, and even fear Japan because of its history of domination, and Japan has a strong cultural and economic impact globally.
Welcome back jaejjaej wrote:i cant believe dan and phil invented my ethnicity thank u for inventing being japanese #kingofnippon
fancybumfancybum wrote:I mean.. tell that to native communities the world over who were violently forced to give up their 'savage' language and assimilate to the 'civilized' white tongue (maybe give 'residential schools' a google sometime). I'm wildly ignorant about all things Japanese so I'll stay out of that, but that is some bullshit up there. And here's the thing: you likely had no malice behind it, yet it was still not an inoffensive statement. People do and say things all the time without meaning to be insensitive or to offend, and yet. It's also kind of interesting that some of the people so passionate here about how innocuous the merch is are ignoring the posts of people who have an actual claim to the culture who aren't just joyous about sharing it (or you know, about other people, with no such claim, sharing it. for financial profit). And like. why does anybody care about anything when cancer exists. We should all focus on cancer until it's gone and then maybe, idk, what's next on the list. There will always be a more important issue, depending on who you're talking to. Doesn't diminish the importance of it to people who aren't you. And that also doesn't mean you have to agree with it, but maybe 'there are bigger things to care about' isn't the most helpful sentiment when you just want to shut someone else down./fɪl lɛstɚ/ wrote:Agreed. I just think that language is not the same as culture. To me, language isn't something that belongs to anyone because we all have the capacity to learn different languagesaffarinda wrote:an argument over them using a different language on their merch... really guys? i'm all up for calling out cultural appropriation but this is just??
capybantsa you have a different experience living in a non white majority country. Non white people in white majority countries are treated like outsiders and we are affected by some racist things that you are not. For example Japanese people in Japan did not care as much about Scarlett Johansson being in the Ghost in the Shell movie but Japanese people in white countries were angry about white washing. It was a big Hollywood movie taking something from their culture and getting rid of their representation in a culture that already is as white as a blank wall. So Deppy putting ダントフィル on products is good for Japan and spreading Cool Japan popular culture but not for Japanese people in England.capybantsa wrote:I'll try to keep things brief as possible, but here are my thoughts as a long time resident of Japan:
(And I hate that I probably need to say this, but I'm not white)Sorry to rant, but really if you knew ANYTHING about Japan you would know that this "cultural appropriation" argument is so horribly misguided in every single way. Dan and Phil are behaving exactly how Japanese people and Japanese government want them to. They could not be better to Japan if they tried.
allsaintshowell Even though the original Japhan merch was still cultural appropriation it was less insulting because it was about their trip they just took. Now it is 2 years later and they are using the same design again with the excuse they admitted is bad that it is the 'end of cherry blossom season'. They are not Japanese. They are not learning the Japanese language and would not know that ダムトフェイル that I just typed is 'dumb and fail' instead of 'Dan and Phil'. They have not even been to Japan again. They are profiting off of Japanese culture with no excuse this time. Was uncomfortable about it the 1st time but I gave up and bought a jumper because it was cute and I wanted to support my favorite Youtubers. Now I regret it a lot.allsaintshowell wrote:i always just ignored the merch even if it made me a litle uncomfortable because i knew how excited they were about the japan trip. they really could've gone a million different ways with "pastel merch" but instead they expanded upon an old design and made it more insensitive. i was excited for the pastel merch but this is a mess. i'll be saving my coins for something else.
Perfect explanation so I am bolding with nothing to add.august wrote:man, i feel like i've seen endless iterations of the "is reverse racism real" argument on the internet because people were working off different definitions of the word racism and i feel like that's what's happening here. discrimination =/= racism. racism has an element of inherent power imbalance and the oppressed party shifts depending on the context of the culture you're applying it to. so the phrase "reverse racism" would pretty much be an oxymoron and better described as discrimination instead.
SexyTrashCan this is very dismissive of the many people in this thread alone who are from different cultures and do not want to 'share' their culture the way Deppy are trying to 'share' it. So no. Not 'any person you have met' wants to 'share' their culture with people who are 'white like yourself'.SexyTrashCan wrote:Actually, I'd like to give an example that may shock you!SexyTrashCan wrote:Not trying to go off on yo guys but really this makes my blood boil. Any person I've met who is from a different culture (China. Japan, etc) LOVES sharing their culture with people who are white like myself.
Although this isn't specifically about Japan, I take Mandarin lessons in my school (shocking, wow, I know, a person as white as I am learning Mandarin, how dare I!), and one week I was the only one who showed up and the school network was down, so the teacher (who is extremely nice) spent the whole hour talking about her home life, festivals New Year traditions etc, and asking me questions about Welsh and Christmas. She also said that she went to a Chinese restaurant, and said the food there wasn't the same as home, but that she enjoyed seeing how English people had their own foods, like fish and chips (which she hadn't tried yet but intended to) and even their own take on Chinese food. That's right, she enjoyed seeing her culture in the UK and seeing how white people CHANGED it! Shocking, I know!
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~when ur sad, remember the deppy japan trip of 2015~ 
I think it means that Dan is attracted to people who may not be tradtionally be classed as beautiful. He likes the quircky type.Catallena wrote: - Manly Phil looks average according to Dan and I have questions about what that says about the type of people Dan is attracted to.
In what world was that Phil selfie cringe? SMH at Dan for that comment.Catallena wrote: - Dan called my favorite Phil selfie ever cringe and I think this is the end of my subscription to dannyfire.
