Dan & Phil Part 51: Master of Erotic Massages

[sparkle]

Thanks for the are they/aren't they responses. Obviously this is the wrong place because even though we're all in the trash this is nothing like some other parts of the phandom. I'm just hoping that a confirmation either way would be a non event but I know an outright no at this moment in time would probably be a bigger deal than an outright yes.

Maybe I'm biased because I do think theyre together idk. I just think coming out as definitively NOT together would now be more risky than coming out as definitively together.

[twix]

first of all, I know i'm late, but add me to the fancybum and Katka appreciation train

With vasegate, I'd like to point out the fact that phil isn't the only flipside talent person drinking out of a vase lately.

The theory is totally 100000% flipside telling their clients to lowkey enforce their audience on being hydrated even more than before.

Now i hope this is some kind of inside joke or a lowkey attempt to start a meme. cue a bunch of "drinking <insert a series of increasingly ridiculous liquids here> out of a vase challenge" videos. or maybe flipside is in cahoots with city of london waterworks

Do you think it could be because if they came out everyone would concentrate even more on them being a couple than separate creators and they don't want it to affect their possible careers outside of youtube? I mean they seem to do almost everything together (tour, radio, book, ...) except that documentary that Dan was part of But I have the feeling that they still want to be viewed as separate creators. And I am not sure how accepting (not completely the right word but can't do better in english atm) the showbusiness world in uk is - I mean if the fandom views and likes them together then any potential media to hire them would also go for them as a pair and even more so if they would confirm that they are together - but they don't want that. Or (this is the accepting part) they would get less offers even as duo if they confirm that they are actually together? I just don't know how the uk showbusiness works and I keep pondering that. But I still feel that the main reason for them to not say they are together might be that they want to be viewed as separate entities.

i think there is desire to remain separate entities at least some of the time b/c it's only natural, but the branding is very strong and has been since the radio show. between the gaming channel, cross-promoting videos, shared merch, etc. if they didn't like or believe it beneficial that people think of them as a duo there's a lot of steps they could take to prevent it. (and trigger #phandivorce rumors in the fanbase in the meantime.)

if dan and/or phil were to explicitly come out of the closet (by which i mean a video or some other kind of formal announcement), yes that would unfortunately likely reduce off-youtube opportunities a small amount. if dan and phil were to announce that they are a couple, that would likely drastically reduce off-youtube opportunities for them as a duo, as homophobia functions in such a way that many people cannot look at two men interacting who are in a same-sex relationship without their minds going directly to porn.

[Sinister Shipper]

I think that even though they both have their own channels and do things seperately, everyone (ok maybe not everyone but a shit ton) knows and refers to them as Dan and Phil as a unit, not individuals, where you have one you have the other, not Dan Howell and Phil Lester who just so happen to have a gaming channel together and live together, they don't seem to be able to seperate themselves, they can't escape Phan if they wanted to; not that they have the need or want to, just saying that it's become who they are; which I don't think was the intention at the beginning but then they saw an influx of followers and just went with it. Dan mentioned in a LS years ago somewhere along the lines that Dan and Phil aren't a duo but even though he said that, I think they have always been "sold" as a team and that's what has gotten them to where they are today.

If Dan expresses his sexuality, those people that can't seperate them as individuals, will assume Phil's sexuality and that shouldn't ever be the case. I understand their branding is more geared towards Phan as a unit and if they were to discuss their preferences online openly, that could potentially ruin their brand to those that are invested in the illusion of Phan being an item. If that makes sense. Not queerbaiting in my mind. Once it's all out in the open, you won't have those curious fans anymore and I think that's a draw for a lot of people - not who they are as Dan and Phil seperately, but who they possibly are as a couple. Here is a stupid example since I can't seem to put into words exactly what I'm trying to convey: kids are told about Santa, they are excited, they believe what is told to them or what they interpret with their "own" eyes and it's magical but once they find out Santa isn't real, the magic is gone, they feel slighted. Once the blinders have been taken off and you see people for who they are (in this case, who they have possibly been hiding from the general public) that makes things more real and some fans out there are all about the speculation but once that is proven right or wrong, they lose interest.

I'm not saying that any of this is true or not but this is kinda how I see things in my messed up mind.

I'm jealous (not in a bad way) of their relationship whether it's platonic or not, they have an amazing friendship that most people would be envious of. It's a relationship that is complex in ways we will never know and I'm ok not knowing the dynamics of the inner workings.

I'm just grateful for both Dan and Phil as individuals because some days I need Dans crazy over the top antics/screaming on the gaming channel to cheer me up or his attempt at deep conversation in a LS, sometimes I need Phils more mellow calming presence or his silly childlike demeanor and of course who can resist a baking video, now if those don't cheer you up, then who knows what will.

[bluewho]

I do wonder whether it's something that they're in complete agreement on though. Dan said in a live show not long ago (sorry I can't remember the exact wording) that he was happier and less stressed when he was being his true self and he seems to have been living by that. Everyone has noticed how much more open he's been recently. He's no longer hiding or denying his other-than-straight sexuality and he's been open about mental health issues and really chatty and opinionated on a lot of subjects. He seems happier and it seems like being more honest has been a good move for him but obviously he can't be honest about his relationship with Phil if Phil wants to remain ambiguous.

This is something I have thought about actually. I do think it's more likely a mutual decision they both agree on to keep their relationship closeted. Dan does seem to enjoy being more open in particular moments with his words / actions compared to Phil imo. Or more like he is more likely to just say what he feels and thinks in the moment. He seems to like revealing things to the audience that he know will get a reaction out of them, like extrovert? I think this is why he gets accused of queerbaiting/phanbaiting more often than Phil - he is less afraid in the moment to behave coupley. I interpret it as just his normal interaction style with Phil coming through - in the moment honesty even if he doesn't want the whole relationship outed. But I do think for them to have been in a closeted relationship this long it is likely to be a mutual decision. It's an interesting discussion topic

Headcanon where they reveal the project as a new company/ convention/ website to rival YouTube which they become the heads of and eventually they'll have so many people working for them (including all their snarky colleagues) that they won't have to do anything and they'll be even bigger multi-millionaires and business mogul entrepreneurs and they'll build a media empire that would survive the potential collapse of the world wide web so that they're completely prepared for the apocalypse. People continue to tease them about being together and the mainstream media gets more and more interested until, BONCAs style, they go "yeah what of it" and make all the headlines and have books and movies based on their lives that make even MORE money and boom they make history as a rich powerful entrepreneur gay couple and they will be unstoppable.

yaaaassss

As fun as it is to speculate and theorise, if they announced they are a couple tomorrow I would keep watching them. If they denied everything tomorrow, I would keep watching them. I enjoy what they create and they are so much more than the mystery of their relationship, I just hope they realise that.

+1

[missemma]

Just because I know a few people have mentioned they'd be interested in a D&P podcast, so just thought I would mention last year a group of us from here & tumblr put together a phandom podcast which was fun to do. Just gonna link it here because I feel some of you would be interested in it. We haven't done anything with it for over a year but the episodes on there are very interesting.

http://audiblewaffles.tumblr.com/

[edit] - oh shame, two of the episodes arent working, but worth checking out the others ones that are.

[iwishiwasacasual]

if it's a fucking convention i will be so disappointed, a podcast would be fun though.

and as for the 'what's keeping me around' thing i'm not quite sure, i've been a casual fan of dan since 2012 so i'll probably always have some sort of interest in his videos unless he becomes a candle vlogger or something (actually i think i'd prefer that).

the main thing keeping me fully in the fandom is because of the people really, all of the excitement and positivity just really cheers me up, i think if they came out though i think i'd have to leave because i do not like admitting i am wrong and in the past i have said, both to myself and other people that they're probably not together, i can't handle i told you so's. (i couldn't tell you what my current thoughts on the matter are because every time i think about i all my brain can do is )

[awkwardly]

if dan and/or phil were to explicitly come out of the closet (by which i mean a video or some other kind of formal announcement), yes that would unfortunately likely reduce off-youtube opportunities a small amount. if dan and phil were to announce that they are a couple, that would likely drastically reduce off-youtube opportunities for them as a duo, as homophobia functions in such a way that many people cannot look at two men interacting who are in a same-sex relationship without their minds going directly to porn.

hmmm that is what I feared, but wasn't sure (I remember interview with Rachael Stirling where she said that she had no idea that acting in Tipping the Velvet would reduce her acting opportunities so drastically (and she is straight), though that was 2002, but yeah, I keep always pondering how it might affect them)

[susan2]

The only professional news that won't disappoint me a little, as far as I can think of, is a podcast. I just really want a podcast, y'all. I guess we will be finding out what it's all been about soon.

If it's a convention, I will be happy for other people, but I've been to a convention and the paying to meet people thing made me insanely uncomfortable and I can't imagine ever doing something like that again. It's an incredibly lucrative business so if they're actually running one themselves enjoy the money, boys.

I'd love a DnP podcast, especially one that's also taped. Something like that would be what finally made me get something like Fullscreen.

I'd also love a chance to see them live, doing pretty much anything, I'm to new a fan to have seen TATINOF unfortunately.

maybe it's just me, but i have a horrible feeling that if they were ever to release a podcast it would replace the liveshows. they mention almost every liveshow now how they're "like a podcast"...and why would they need 2 podcasts

also, if dan's now planning to do things like candle hauls on his side channel the necessity for the visual element of liveshows decreases. with a podcast they can edit it, they don't have to show their apartment (or themselves - hello pjs!), and it would also be most likely that the topics of conversation would be much less personal.

so as much as i enjoy podcasts, and listening to people talk about things they're passionate about, ^ that feeling prevents me from getting excited at the possibility of a podcast.

[MythicalPinkTrashCan]

+1 to disappointment if it's a con.

"Are they, aren't they" doesn't affect my opinion on watching them. I'd been aware of them since 2012 and Dan's Men V Women vid but not actively involved in them. I subscribed for their on-screen chemistry. I like their videos together, I like their videos apart. I don't see that changing anytime soon.

[bluewho]

they can't escape Phan if they wanted to; not that they have the need or want to, just saying that it's become who they are; which I don't think was the intention at the beginning but then they saw an influx of followers and just went with it.

I agree that they can't really escape "Phan" now, I don't know what it would take to kill the phandom beast at this point tbh. I think Dan and Phil have always been Dan and Phil though, as in integral to each other's career. I know Phil was about before Dan, but Dan was never about without Phil - he was such a big part of his YouTube beginnings, right through to the present that I think the reason they do everything together now is because that is actually just how it's always been. They like being together, and leaving Phil out or 'going solo' would just be kind unnatural to how they really are, unnatural to how they really like to work. I think they work together more visibly now than in the past not because it brings them followers, I think it's because they enjoy it and they are less defensive about Phan now and more willing to act naturally on camera.

I understand their branding is more geared towards Phan as a unit and if they were to discuss their preferences online openly, that could potentially ruin their brand to those that are invested in the illusion of Phan being an item. If that makes sense. Not queerbaiting in my mind. Once it's all out in the open, you won't have those curious fans anymore and I think that's a draw for a lot of people - not who they are as Dan and Phil seperately, but who they possibly are as a couple. Here is a stupid example since I can't seem to put into words exactly what I'm trying to convey: kids are told about Santa, they are excited, they believe what is told to them or what they interpret with their "own" eyes and it's magical but once they find out Santa isn't real, the magic is gone, they feel slighted. Once the blinders have been taken off and you see people for who they are (in this case, who they have possibly been hiding from the general public) that makes things more real and some fans out there are all about the speculation but once that is proven right or wrong, they lose interest.

I see what you're saying and yes it's true. I think if Dan and Phil wanted to come out though they would do it. I think the worry that they might lose audience / career opportunities would be less important to being honest if they wanted to come out. I actually don't think they want to come out and that they may in fact never come out.

I'm just grateful for both Dan and Phil as individuals because some days I need Dans crazy over the top antics/screaming on the gaming channel to cheer me up or his attempt at deep conversation in a LS, sometimes I need Phils more mellow calming presence or his silly childlike demeanor and of course who can resist a baking video, now if those don't cheer you up, then who knows what will.

This is a nice summary of why they complement each other as entertainers

The audiblewaffles were great btw, I recommend

[jesp]

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[iihappydaysii]

Some of this discussion is making me just really sad (and I should probably not post when i'm any kind of emotional, but I will always be emotional about this particular topic). Anyway, it makes me so incredibly sad to learn that there would be people who wouldn't watch if they ever came out, for whatever reason. How would it change their content? Would it change their content enough that it wouldn't be worth continuing to watch something you enjoy? There are a limited number of LGBT+ content creators and I know a lot of people who go out of their way to support them. I'm one of them. I'd be more likely to keep watching, even if my interested waned a bit, because supporting LGBT+ content and media is incredibly important in general, and incredibly important to me. If they said they weren't together or if things stay as they are, I'd keep watching as long as I enjoyed the content. I don't know if I'd watch if they split up professionally though, as I strongly prefer the content they make together. I'd probably watch here and there though.

It makes me sad...no to be honest, it makes me horribly, viciously, unspeakably angry that we live in a world where there could be profound professional consequences for them being public about their relationship. By public, I don't mean sharing details about the romantic aspect of their lives (though I can't imagine they wouldn't be asked, which would likely be frustrating) but I mean having people just know. The way we know John Green has a wife named Sarah and they sometimes make content together. We don't have access to this deeply private thing about John just because we know he has a wife named Sarah. But it is different. We live in a world that has decided that it's different. It might not necessarily affect their YouTube viewership but, as mentioned by others, it could affect other opportunities for them, outside of YouTube, especially as a double act. I'm not saying this is the deciding factor between them being visibly a couple and not, I'm not saying it even factors heavily or at all, but it's a very real thing--and a distinct possibility--and so I'm, as I am eternally, mad about it.

(What do we do about it? How do we make it better for LGBT+ creators? Hell if I know, but someone better figure it out.)

[confusedpanda]

Kind of a useless question but just asking what other people think...
Is the meeting that Dan went to that may have to do with the August secret project about Dan and Phil or just a Dan thing? Based on how Dan talked about it, i think it has more to do with Dan than Phil but maybe we'll find out soon.
Also irks me that we haven't gotten much Dan content recently and I really want to find out about this project

We just had the tinder spon and the colab(s) with Anthony in less than one month.That's normal content for dan, lol. Even live shows this month were average for him, aside from missing one but that was to upload the tinder spon.
Also personally, it's probably a dan and Phil thing, mostly because they're brand as a whole makes the most profit. Also with things like tatinof and tabinof; some ideas were Dan's and some were Phil's. If you're working on a project with someone, of course it's gonna be your ideas for somethings, saying the ideas are yours doesn't mean you did the whole thing, but you did that one part. So personally no, this isn't a separate project. Specially when you remember back at the beginning of the year with phil talking about finding his creativity again and stuff.

[Sinister Shipper]

Here's a quick thought/some questions....I used to follow Matthew Lush's GayGod channel until recently and back in March YouTube changed things up with how videos are categorized, his channel was labeled LGBTQ+ and therefore was being blocked in their restricted mode and even though he has been a YouTube content creator since 2006, he said that he now makes more money doing YouNow LS than YouTube even though he has 2 channels and at one point both channels had over a million subs each, now one channel is at 900+ and the other is still over a million but he lost a ton of followers and I'm not sure if that had to do with the block or if it's just because of his content. He is quite sexual in some videos but he makes the point that straight content is sometimes just as sexual if not more than his but other channels haven't been blocked in restricted mode which is hypocritical.

I'm thinking it had to do with his content because there are soo many people that have channels that are gay/bi/trans/genderfluid/non-binary and I don't think they have been blocked.

What are your thoughts that maybe this could be a valid reason not to come out in fear that there is the potential of being labeled an LGBTQ+ channel, not just for Dan and/or Phil but anyone? If you come out, is there a potential that it could be blocked in restricted mode and a younger audience might not be exposed to the wonderful content that is being made just because of sexuality? Are your videos demonetized because of this? Just because you are "out" does that mean you automatically get categorized as an LGBTQ+ channel? Why is straight sexual content ok but not gay sexual content?

I feel that it's so important for younger kids/teens/even adults to have a place where they can feel "normal", accepted and can relate to someone they look up to that is showing the world that it doesn't matter what your sexuality is, it's about who you are as a person and how you treat others, not who you love. Kids aren't learning about different sexualities in school, what each label means and all the important stuff that should be taught, so they go to social media and learn from people that are "just like them". Where my kids go to high school, they aren't even taught sex ed anymore like how I was taught, they mention STD's or STI's and that's it, it's a passing conversation so how are kids supposed to learn if everyone is taking that education away from them? It doesn't have to be an in-depth school lesson but also don't make it a taboo conversation either. Kids learn by example and if they take away those examples from outside sources, it's 100% up to the parents to teach them that identifing as straight/gay/bi/trans/genderfluid/non-binary etc is ok. I was born and raised in a strict catholic family, my parents/grandparents/extended family are NOT ok with anything other than straight but I knew as a very early teen that it wasn't ok to be like that. I am an advocate for the LGBTQ+ community and I will always show my support, I have questioned my sexuality for a very long time. I taught my kids to be accepting and open and by doing so, my 16 year old daughter came out to me (only me) as Pan and I'm happy that being surrounded by my family as well as her fathers family, she wasn't persuaded to stifle her sexuality.

Why is it so hard for people to accept others happiness if it doesn't fit the stereotypical heteronormative societal structure that has been forced upon us? This world sucks!!

Sorry for my long ass winded post but once I get going on a tangent it's hard to stop.

[woottootfruitboot]

It looks like IDB may see some disruption at some point soon, which is unfortunately outside of our control. We're posting now in order to give some warning since we, the mod team, are not sure when we'll experience the disruption. I've posted more information - but at the moment, it's all the information we have - over in this thread. If you have any comments about this you'd like to post, please post in that thread. I apologise for the incoming issues.

Does this mean we can switch over to Reddit? I much prefer it to other forum sites, since it's easy to navigate and you can upvote and collapse comments. There are already a few Dan and Phil related subreddits, but they're not very active. Maybe we could make a new one dedicated to more "in-depth" discussion. Just an idea though.

[offtopic]If any of you haven't used Reddit, you should really give it a shot. There's a subreddit for just about anything (tv shows, music, YouTubers, memes, politics, etc.).[/offtopic]

[autumnhearth]

For whatever reason I felt inspired to make timestamps for the last gaming video now that I'm back home and have uninterrupted time. These were mostly just cute moments, funny quotes and some things that made go "hmm". Loved their dynamic in this. I'm so looking forward to Dream Daddy.

0:01 "Hello Dan and Phil Games 'detectives'."- Phil
0:03 Magnifying glass hand thing, sound effect and Phil humming Sherlock theme combined!
0:05 What does Tomb Raider have to do with anything they just did?
0:11 "Professor Layton, what what!"- Dan with hand motions
0:13 Phil holds his composed angelic face while Dan gives the background info.
0:20 Dan sitting by a rainy window pretending to be intellectual. Nice image.
0:27 "Lady Layton"- high pitched Dan, find a guy who can do it all folks.
0:30 "So today I think I'm going to be Sherlock Holmes and you're going to be Watson" -Phil
0:34 "What ya sayin?"- Dan with that look.
(I don't know how they actually feel about Johnlock. They've both referenced it before but have been kind of vague on their stance. Personally I love the show but don't ship them. But the implication of shipping definitely seems to be present and Dan is at the very least feigning disapproval.)
0:35 "Well I mean, I'm like the Benedict Cumberbatch, I look like Benedict Cumberbatch, I'm more superior at mystery solving."- Nice try Phil.
(Watching Dan's face here is funny, his feigned grumpiness, transitions to a comical frown with a shrug of agreement when Phil says he looks like BC, then a funny scoff to a smile at Phil suggesting he's superior.)
0:45 Dan bursts Phil's bubble shooting down Scooby Doo
0:49 Woah what a jump cut between happy open mouth Phil to, what do you even call that? Is that Phil's resting bitch face?
0:50 Zoom in to Dan talking to give Phil a moment to recover.
0:55 "A sneky prev"- Dan
1:00 Playing in Netherlands would add to the mystery or we could test Dan's French.
1:05 "Katrielle and the Millionaires' Conspiracy. Dang."- very dramatic Dan
1:09 "I'm already hooked cause there's a little dog outline."- Phil
1:13 "That's all I need to sign up for an app."- Dan
1:19 "Dan&Phil with no space" (What this video should actually be called)
1:24 "Dan question mark Phil?" (The iPad also assumed it was a typo as it offers Dan&Phil as a suggestion. Earlier suggestions were "Dance" and "Danisnotonfire")
1:33 Phil's monocle/magnifying glass returns with an "aha". Dan claims Phil is "repeating a joke I made at the beginning of the video", not likely Dan. Luckily Phil is all joyous laughter.
1:45 "Stop getting paranoid. Not everyone hating another person is about you, Shirley"- Dan (watching Phil's reaction to Dan's rant is hilarious)
1:50 "Are you ready for a video?"- Phil (aka "are you done?")
1:53 "Yeah."- Dan
2:00 "A misty town, in yesteryear." Dan high voice. "I'll stop ruining this."
2:05 They are both delighted by the anime style art
2:12 Daddy! "Daddy"- Dan "Daddy"- Dan "Are the first words you hear."- Phil "Daddy Layton"- Dan nods knowingly.
2:18 "No, this is not a Dream Daddy."
2:29 Sad, guilt, "just a dream"
2:31 "She's got a house plant, which is a lot more alive than all of ours"
2:37 "She opens the curtains, that's why her house plants are alive."- Dan
2:40 "Ohh, that would make sense."- Phil (see Dan's ls)
2:44 Dan supports unpractical fashion
2:46 Phil knows a thing or too about diseased English pigeons.
2:53 "I'm going to see some corpses."- Dan
3:00 London is not a wholesome town
3:05 "Phily's detective world. Mysteries solved for free."- Phil
3:10 "Please I just want company."- Dan after cracking up.
3:13 "Lady and a Tramp." "Nice."
3:15 "Is she gonna eat some sensual spaghetti"- Phil
3:16 "She's gonna kiss a dog."- Dan
3:19 "The dog's here!"- Phil
3:20 "ADOPT HIM!"- Dan
3:21 "Pet the dog!"- Phil
3:22 "ADOPT HIM RIGHT NOW!"- Dan (okay boys)
3:24 "The dog has a very strange tail."- Dan
3:26 "It's defying gravity." (Wicked on the mind Phil?)
3:30 "I mean okay, I'm sorry, sign me up for talking dog."
3:45 The mystery is that the dog is speaking. "Please help, I'm hallucinating talking dogs."
3:55 "Is it just gonna secrete a cake through the iPad cause I'm down for that."- Phil
4:10 "Presuming that we actually ever mumble mumble."- Dan
4:19 "Spoilers abound."- Phil "Protection."- Dan
4:27 "Give me a cake!"- Dan
4:29 "Use more of a baker voice."- Phil
4:37 "The Power of Triangles!"- Dan (nice self reference there)
5:01 "What is wrong with you?"- Dan says with fondness
5:10 "That looks less like a K than miine did."- Phil teasing and so close.
5:14 "Delet this."- Dan
5:24 "You need to stop saying 'floppy ding dong'."- Phil
5:35 Phil thinking outside of the box, inside the box, very literally.
5:40 Dan gets really excited by Phil's idea of negative space. Phil gets excited by Dan moving the shapes around, Dan starts to get discouraged just as Phil figures it out.
6:15 "Mmm (high five) boom."- Dan
6:26 "Well done Phil."- Dan
6:35 "Don't pay me in money, pay me in cakes, that would be a Dan and Phil's detective agency."
6:40 "How do you like that doggo?"- Phil
6:41 "Up to scratch, haha ha ha hm."- Dan
6:45 "A bit of a sexy scratch there wasn't it?"- Phil
6:47 "That was a bit weird there, the dog doesn't support that."- Dan
6:48 "Sorry."- Phil (quick, soft, low, subtle banter)
6:55 "I love her voice it's like Hermione Granger meets Beatrix Potter."- Dan
6:59 "What can I do for you?"- Phil imitates her voice, because not only does he look like Voldemort, but he *is* Hermione.
7:15 "I love his ankles rolls because of his floppy skin."- Dan (talking about the dog of course)
7:18 "Aw it's so anime, I love it."- Phil
7:25 "I wanna solve that mystery. That's an ancient civilization?! That looks like a terrifying dystopian future where mantid lizards exist."- Dan
7:36 "Hello. Is that the Watson in this? That looks like you. I'm Lady Layton, you're that guy."
7:44 "Ernest."- P
7:45 "Ernest Greeves."- D
7:46 "That's a strong name."- P
7:46 "Amazing."- D
7:47 "I wish I was called Ernest."- P (I think that's what he says)
7:48 "I ship it!"- Dan says all intense and growly
7:55 "Pugsworth."
8:05 "Sherlock exists in the same cannon as Layton."- Dan
8:07 "What"- Phil
8:10 Phil give the role of Katrelle to Dan. Phil takes Ernest. Dan takes the dog of course and Phil voices Inspector Hastings.
9:30 "In the 'ole of Britain!"- Both in sync, shaking their faces, having fun
9:51 "Frickin slapped. Ernest and Sherl in the corner of Lady Layton's priorities."- Dan says with much enthusiasm and facial expressions.
10:07 "The Hand That Feeds"
10:12 "Someone's stolen a hand!"- high pitched Dan
10:17 "That's a whole diddly operation."- Dan
10:19 "It was Spider-Man. Tom Holland wants more attention."- Phil
10:21 "Honestly what a fiend(?)"- very quiet Dan
10:34 "Do the lamppost."- Phil (Not innuendo just what Dan should be investigating, Phil is trying to get him back on track but is very amused.)
10:39 "Come on, Kat, what are you dawdlin' there for, eh? The case, woman! The case!" (Phil saying dawdlin' and woman in a northern accent is great.)
10:40 "Woman."- Dan echos with attitude.
10:49 "Hmlh, teachin' Grandma to suck eggs, are ya?" (More things I didn't k ow I needed to head Phil say)
10:55 "What bag?"- Dan
10:59 Oh my god both their faces right before they say:
11:00 "Wardrobe!"- Both "Yes!"- Phil
11:02 "We found the content!"- Dan
Some simple puzzle solving
11:47 "Wait! I want to go in the bag. This is very important."- Dan
11:50 "Wardrobe!" (Sing it Dan!) "Yes!"- Phil
11:54 "Coatless!"- in sync
11:57 "Dating dress"- Dan "Oohh"- both "Oh hel-lo!"- Dan
12:03 "Tomboy. Equestrian ensemble!"- Dan's over the top gestures and Phil's excited face.
12:05 "I want my ensemble to be that."- Phil (of course you do) mirror Dan's hand to chest movement.
12:07 "Slay me. Jesus."- Dan
12:12 "Sky blue, statement."- Dan
12:14 Phil with the game info.
12:19 "That's me."- Phil
12:20 "Daddy's girl."- Dan
12:21 "Ok that's not me."- Phil laughs
12:30 "He's shady AF"- Phil
12:35 "'Top o' the mornin' to ha!' Its Jack Septiceye"- Dan
12:37 What the hell Dan? Calm down.
12:46 "Investigatink"- Dan
12:47 "I can't do an Irish accent."- Phil, cracking up
12:48 "This is regional dialect reading test the game."- Dan
13:03 "aforementionedly"- both
13:25 "Stachenscarfen"- Dan
13:26 "That's you."- Phil
13:29 "Auf Deutsch"- Dan
13:38 "In a vay, yes. In a vay, no."- Dan
13:55 Dan yells into the iPad "Out after midnight are you Stachenscarfen? We're onto you!"
(I love Phil's hands. They are big yet elegant.)
14:53 "You like twiz the..."- Phil doing circle motions
15:14 "Waiting until its midnight."- Dan says somewhere between cocky and uncertain
15:41 "Yeah. I don't- I mean, sure. Why not? It's like you have lives. Do you have lives?"- Dan
15:46 "Yes!"- Phil "YES!"- Dan
15:49 "But was it for the reason that I said?"- still unsure Dan
16:11 "Oh you want to see a dead body do you Earnest, you want to get real, you want to see crime up in your face? I don't think you can handle it Earnest!"- Dan
16:38 "Nick Booker"
16:48 "Wait I can do this one."- Phil
16:50 "Okay go on Phil, do it."- Dan
16:55 Pause that pose
16:57 "I live for the positive reinforcement of Lady Layton being happy that I'm assembling the clock hand."- Dan
17:03 Phil is distracted momentarily by something off to the side.
17:07 "'Ello 'ello 'ello, Miss Layton.'"-Phil
17:09 "That is exactly what he-"- Dan
17:10 "That's what his face looks like"- Phil
17:11 "With his tiny face!"- squeaky Dan
17:12 "It's so squished."- Phil
17:29 "Yeah get in there."- Phil
17:38 Panting Dan
17:45 "'Magnificent'."- Dan (inside the clock face)
17:46 "That's just what we were saying."- Phil says so sweet
17:52 "I know what gets you going Earnest."- Dan (enormous cogs)
17:58 "Like a corpse."- Dan
18:00 "I wanna do it!"- AssertivePhil (not a corpse mind you)
18:02 "Okay Phil, find the cranny. How good is Phil at finding that spot? He found it. There we go."- danisnotappropriate
18:08 "REDDISH WRISTWATCH!"- nice reference
18:26 "UH CLOCK"- both groaning
18:36 "Get that self esteem, yes!"- Dan
19:17 "Do you know what you're doing or-?"- Phil with the biggest smile
19:19 "Yeahyeahyeahyeahyeah!"- Dan
19:20 Jumpcut to zoom in on the terrified children and away from the happy boys.
19:28 "Woyah!"- Dan
19:32 "Oh no. Oh we f***ed it up. Impasse."- Dan
19:42 "You reckon?"- Dan (then I reckon)
20:05 "King of Bubbles."- Dan
20:06 "I would not have been able to do that."- Phil
20:07 "Really? You play a lot of uh, of um, shape popping apps."- Dan
20:11 "True. Maybe. Maybe."- Phil's eyes
20:21 "I think it was the dog."- Phil
20:36 "I feel like that's a good taste of the mystery solving experience."- Dan
20:38 "Yeah. You've given it a little lick, but you don't know the full answers. Cause you could go find out yourself-"- Phil
20:43 "You just ruined the nice... description..."- Dan
20:46 "Like you've got the flavor."- Phil
20:47 "Why do you- no, no!"- Dan
20:48 "Like a lollipop."- Phil
20:49 "Stop with the licking!"- Dan
20:50 "Sorry."- back to innocent angel faced Phil
21:00 Price and Promo
21:16 "I'm just here for the anime to be honest, like the show I just started watching."- Dan
21:20 Phil tongue
21:21 "A lick of the Layton Lolly."- holy hell Dan, looking at .phil while say that was indecent
21:31 "Clicking our buttons."- Phil
21:34 "For more vids, last vid."- Dan
21:38 "I'm gonna go kidnap a talking dog."- Dan
21:39 Sherlock theme outro and eye thing by Phil.

[missemma]

Does this mean we can switch over to Reddit? I much prefer it to other forum sites, since it's easy to navigate and you can upvote and collapse comments. There are already a few Dan and Phil related subreddits, but they're not very active. Maybe we could make a new one dedicated to more "in-depth" discussion. Just an idea though.

I use Reddit for some other stuff and the layout isn't as user friendly as a forum is. It's not always easy to see who has replied to who, and we wouldn't be able to customise it as much as we can here.

Don't worry, I am confident that when the time comes, we will be able to sort things out here. Who knows, we may even be able to install the thanks button that we have all been dreaming of. We definitely don't want to move away from a forum style version of IDB.

[Whommel]

It looks like IDB may see some disruption at some point soon, which is unfortunately outside of our control. We're posting now in order to give some warning since we, the mod team, are not sure when we'll experience the disruption. I've posted more information - but at the moment, it's all the information we have - over in this thread. If you have any comments about this you'd like to post, please post in that thread. I apologise for the incoming issues.

Does this mean we can switch over to Reddit? I much prefer it to other forum sites, since it's easy to navigate and you can upvote and collapse comments. There are already a few Dan and Phil related subreddits, but they're not very active. Maybe we could make a new one dedicated to more "in-depth" discussion. Just an idea though.

[offtopic]If any of you haven't used Reddit, you should really give it a shot. There's a subreddit for just about anything (tv shows, music, YouTubers, memes, politics, etc.).[/offtopic]

I love the RuPauls Drag Race subreddit, but the rest of it scares the hell out of me. There's a possibility for trending/being on the frontpage and getting on the radar of some really creepy types as far as I remember.

[Whommel]

For whatever reason I felt inspired to make timestamps for the last gaming video now that I'm back home and have uninterrupted time. These were mostly just cute moments, funny quotes and some things that made go "hmm". Loved their dynamic in this. I'm so looking forward to Dream Daddy.

0:01 "Hello Dan and Phil Games 'detectives'."- Phil
0:03 Magnifying glass hand thing, sound effect and Phil humming Sherlock theme combined!
0:05 What does Tomb Raider have to do with anything they just did?
0:11 "Professor Layton, what what!"- Dan with hand motions
0:13 Phil holds his composed angelic face while Dan gives the background info.
0:20 Dan sitting by a rainy window pretending to be intellectual. Nice image.
0:27 "Lady Layton"- high pitched Dan, find a guy who can do it all folks.
0:30 "So today I think I'm going to be Sherlock Holmes and you're going to be Watson" -Phil
0:34 "What ya sayin?"- Dan with that look.
(I don't know how they actually feel about Johnlock. They've both referenced it before but have been kind of vague on their stance. Personally I love the show but don't ship them. But the implication of shipping definitely seems to be present and Dan is at the very least feigning disapproval.)
0:35 "Well I mean, I'm like the Benedict Cumberbatch, I look like Benedict Cumberbatch, I'm more superior at mystery solving."- Nice try Phil.
(Watching Dan's face here is funny, his feigned grumpiness, transitions to a comical frown with a shrug of agreement when Phil says he looks like BC, then a funny scoff to a smile at Phil suggesting he's superior.)
0:45 Dan bursts Phil's bubble shooting down Scooby Doo
0:49 Woah what a jump cut between happy open mouth Phil to, what do you even call that? Is that Phil's resting bitch face?
0:50 Zoom in to Dan talking to give Phil a moment to recover.
0:55 "A sneky prev"- Dan
1:00 Playing in Netherlands would add to the mystery or we could test Dan's French.
1:05 "Katrielle and the Millionaires' Conspiracy. Dang."- very dramatic Dan
1:09 "I'm already hooked cause there's a little dog outline."- Phil
1:13 "That's all I need to sign up for an app."- Dan
1:19 "Dan&Phil with no space" (What this video should actually be called)
1:24 "Dan question mark Phil?" (The iPad also assumed it was a typo as it offers Dan&Phil as a suggestion. Earlier suggestions were "Dance" and "Danisnotonfire")
1:33 Phil's monocle/magnifying glass returns with an "aha". Dan claims Phil is "repeating a joke I made at the beginning of the video", not likely Dan. Luckily Phil is all joyous laughter.
1:45 "Stop getting paranoid. Not everyone hating another person is about you, Shirley"- Dan (watching Phil's reaction to Dan's rant is hilarious)
1:50 "Are you ready for a video?"- Phil (aka "are you done?")
1:53 "Yeah."- Dan
2:00 "A misty town, in yesteryear." Dan high voice. "I'll stop ruining this."
2:05 They are both delighted by the anime style art
2:12 Daddy! "Daddy"- Dan "Daddy"- Dan "Are the first words you hear."- Phil "Daddy Layton"- Dan nods knowingly.
2:18 "No, this is not a Dream Daddy."
2:29 Sad, guilt, "just a dream"
2:31 "She's got a house plant, which is a lot more alive than all of ours"
2:37 "She opens the curtains, that's why her house plants are alive."- Dan
2:40 "Ohh, that would make sense."- Phil (see Dan's ls)
2:44 Dan supports unpractical fashion
2:46 Phil knows a thing or too about diseased English pigeons.
2:53 "I'm going to see some corpses."- Dan
3:00 London is not a wholesome town
3:05 "Phily's detective world. Mysteries solved for free."- Phil
3:10 "Please I just want company."- Dan after cracking up.
3:13 "Lady and a Tramp." "Nice."
3:15 "Is she gonna eat some sensual spaghetti"- Phil
3:16 "She's gonna kiss a dog."- Dan
3:19 "The dog's here!"- Phil
3:20 "ADOPT HIM!"- Dan
3:21 "Pet the dog!"- Phil
3:22 "ADOPT HIM RIGHT NOW!"- Dan (okay boys)
3:24 "The dog has a very strange tail."- Dan
3:26 "It's defying gravity." (Wicked on the mind Phil?)
3:30 "I mean okay, I'm sorry, sign me up for talking dog."
3:45 The mystery is that the dog is speaking. "Please help, I'm hallucinating talking dogs."
3:55 "Is it just gonna secrete a cake through the iPad cause I'm down for that."- Phil
4:10 "Presuming that we actually ever mumble mumble."- Dan
4:19 "Spoilers abound."- Phil "Protection."- Dan
4:27 "Give me a cake!"- Dan
4:29 "Use more of a baker voice."- Phil
4:37 "The Power of Triangles!"- Dan (nice self reference there)
5:01 "What is wrong with you?"- Dan says with fondness
5:10 "That looks less like a K than miine did."- Phil teasing and so close.
5:14 "Delet this."- Dan
5:24 "You need to stop saying 'floppy ding dong'."- Phil
5:35 Phil thinking outside of the box, inside the box, very literally.
5:40 Dan gets really excited by Phil's idea of negative space. Phil gets excited by Dan moving the shapes around, Dan starts to get discouraged just as Phil figures it out.
6:15 "Mmm (high five) boom."- Dan
6:26 "Well done Phil."- Dan
6:35 "Don't pay me in money, pay me in cakes, that would be a Dan and Phil's detective agency."
6:40 "How do you like that doggo?"- Phil
6:41 "Up to scratch, haha ha ha hm."- Dan
6:45 "A bit of a sexy scratch there wasn't it?"- Phil
6:47 "That was a bit weird there, the dog doesn't support that."- Dan
6:48 "Sorry."- Phil (quick, soft, low, subtle banter)
6:55 "I love her voice it's like Hermione Granger meets Beatrix Potter."- Dan
6:59 "What can I do for you?"- Phil imitates her voice, because not only does he look like Voldemort, but he *is* Hermione.
7:15 "I love his ankles rolls because of his floppy skin."- Dan (talking about the dog of course)
7:18 "Aw it's so anime, I love it."- Phil
7:25 "I wanna solve that mystery. That's an ancient civilization?! That looks like a terrifying dystopian future where mantid lizards exist."- Dan
7:36 "Hello. Is that the Watson in this? That looks like you. I'm Lady Layton, you're that guy."
7:44 "Ernest."- P
7:45 "Ernest Greeves."- D
7:46 "That's a strong name."- P
7:46 "Amazing."- D
7:47 "I wish I was called Ernest."- P (I think that's what he says)
7:48 "I ship it!"- Dan says all intense and growly
7:55 "Pugsworth."
8:05 "Sherlock exists in the same cannon as Layton."- Dan
8:07 "What"- Phil
8:10 Phil give the role of Katrelle to Dan. Phil takes Ernest. Dan takes the dog of course and Phil voices Inspector Hastings.
9:30 "In the 'ole of Britain!"- Both in sync, shaking their faces, having fun
9:51 "Frickin slapped. Ernest and Sherl in the corner of Lady Layton's priorities."- Dan says with much enthusiasm and facial expressions.
10:07 "The Hand That Feeds"
10:12 "Someone's stolen a hand!"- high pitched Dan
10:17 "That's a whole diddly operation."- Dan
10:19 "It was Spider-Man. Tom Holland wants more attention."- Phil
10:21 "Honestly what a fiend(?)"- very quiet Dan
10:34 "Do the lamppost."- Phil (Not innuendo just what Dan should be investigating, Phil is trying to get him back on track but is very amused.)
10:39 "Come on, Kat, what are you dawdlin' there for, eh? The case, woman! The case!" (Phil saying dawdlin' and woman in a northern accent is great.)
10:40 "Woman."- Dan echos with attitude.
10:49 "Hmlh, teachin' Grandma to suck eggs, are ya?" (More things I didn't k ow I needed to head Phil say)
10:55 "What bag?"- Dan
10:59 Oh my god both their faces right before they say:
11:00 "Wardrobe!"- Both "Yes!"- Phil
11:02 "We found the content!"- Dan
Some simple puzzle solving
11:47 "Wait! I want to go in the bag. This is very important."- Dan
11:50 "Wardrobe!" (Sing it Dan!) "Yes!"- Phil
11:54 "Coatless!"- in sync
11:57 "Dating dress"- Dan "Oohh"- both "Oh hel-lo!"- Dan
12:03 "Tomboy. Equestrian ensemble!"- Dan's over the top gestures and Phil's excited face.
12:05 "I want my ensemble to be that."- Phil (of course you do) mirror Dan's hand to chest movement.
12:07 "Slay me. Jesus."- Dan
12:12 "Sky blue, statement."- Dan
12:14 Phil with the game info.
12:19 "That's me."- Phil
12:20 "Daddy's girl."- Dan
12:21 "Ok that's not me."- Phil laughs
12:30 "He's shady AF"- Phil
12:35 "'Top o' the mornin' to ha!' Its Jack Septiceye"- Dan
12:37 What the hell Dan? Calm down.
12:46 "Investigatink"- Dan
12:47 "I can't do an Irish accent."- Phil, cracking up
12:48 "This is regional dialect reading test the game."- Dan
13:03 "aforementionedly"- both
13:25 "Stachenscarfen"- Dan
13:26 "That's you."- Phil
13:29 "Auf Deutsch"- Dan
13:38 "In a vay, yes. In a vay, no."- Dan
13:55 Dan yells into the iPad "Out after midnight are you Stachenscarfen? We're onto you!"
(I love Phil's hands. They are big yet elegant.)
14:53 "You like twiz the..."- Phil doing circle motions
15:14 "Waiting until its midnight."- Dan says somewhere between cocky and uncertain
15:41 "Yeah. I don't- I mean, sure. Why not? It's like you have lives. Do you have lives?"- Dan
15:46 "Yes!"- Phil "YES!"- Dan
15:49 "But was it for the reason that I said?"- still unsure Dan
16:11 "Oh you want to see a dead body do you Earnest, you want to get real, you want to see crime up in your face? I don't think you can handle it Earnest!"- Dan
16:38 "Nick Booker"
16:48 "Wait I can do this one."- Phil
16:50 "Okay go on Phil, do it."- Dan
16:55 Pause that pose
16:57 "I live for the positive reinforcement of Lady Layton being happy that I'm assembling the clock hand."- Dan
17:03 Phil is distracted momentarily by something off to the side.
17:07 "'Ello 'ello 'ello, Miss Layton.'"-Phil
17:09 "That is exactly what he-"- Dan
17:10 "That's what his face looks like"- Phil
17:11 "With his tiny face!"- squeaky Dan
17:12 "It's so squished."- Phil
17:29 "Yeah get in there."- Phil
17:38 Panting Dan
17:45 "'Magnificent'."- Dan (inside the clock face)
17:46 "That's just what we were saying."- Phil says so sweet
17:52 "I know what gets you going Earnest."- Dan (enormous cogs)
17:58 "Like a corpse."- Dan
18:00 "I wanna do it!"- AssertivePhil (not a corpse mind you)
18:02 "Okay Phil, find the cranny. How good is Phil at finding that spot? He found it. There we go."- danisnotappropriate
18:08 "REDDISH WRISTWATCH!"- nice reference
18:26 "UH CLOCK"- both groaning
18:36 "Get that self esteem, yes!"- Dan
19:17 "Do you know what you're doing or-?"- Phil with the biggest smile
19:19 "Yeahyeahyeahyeahyeah!"- Dan
19:20 Jumpcut to zoom in on the terrified children and away from the happy boys.
19:28 "Woyah!"- Dan
19:32 "Oh no. Oh we f***ed it up. Impasse."- Dan
19:42 "You reckon?"- Dan (then I reckon)
20:05 "King of Bubbles."- Dan
20:06 "I would not have been able to do that."- Phil
20:07 "Really? You play a lot of uh, of um, shape popping apps."- Dan
20:11 "True. Maybe. Maybe."- Phil's eyes
20:21 "I think it was the dog."- Phil
20:36 "I feel like that's a good taste of the mystery solving experience."- Dan
20:38 "Yeah. You've given it a little lick, but you don't know the full answers. Cause you could go find out yourself-"- Phil
20:43 "You just ruined the nice... description..."- Dan
20:46 "Like you've got the flavor."- Phil
20:47 "Why do you- no, no!"- Dan
20:48 "Like a lollipop."- Phil
20:49 "Stop with the licking!"- Dan
20:50 "Sorry."- back to innocent angel faced Phil
21:00 Price and Promo
21:16 "I'm just here for the anime to be honest, like the show I just started watching."- Dan
21:20 Phil tongue
21:21 "A lick of the Layton Lolly."- holy hell Dan, looking at .phil while say that was indecent
21:31 "Clicking our buttons."- Phil
21:34 "For more vids, last vid."- Dan
21:38 "I'm gonna go kidnap a talking dog."- Dan
21:39 Sherlock theme outro and eye thing by Phil.

Wonderful time stamps, thank you. So detailed!

It reminded me that I want this:
Dan & Phil Part 52: Dan&Phil With No Space

Especially if the next videos have them sitting closely together.

[Edit: I just saw Phil's resting bitch face at 0:49 and that was so hilarious! Good observation skills.]

[malday]

What are your thoughts that maybe this could be a valid reason not to come out in fear that there is the potential of being labeled an LGBTQ+ channel, not just for Dan and/or Phil but anyone? If you come out, is there a potential that it could be blocked in restricted mode and a younger audience might not be exposed to the wonderful content that is being made just because of sexuality? Are your videos demonetized because of this? Just because you are "out" does that mean you automatically get categorized as an LGBTQ+ channel? Why is straight sexual content ok but not gay sexual content?

The restriction made lgbtq themed content unavailable, it was not based on the sexuality of the content creator. Restricted mode was supposed to filter mature content but due to "errors" it filtered non-mature lgbtq content as well. As far as i'm aware youtube addressed the issue and fixed it.

The loss in ad money has probably more to do with the adpocalypse than with restricted mode.

[Sinister Shipper]

What are your thoughts that maybe this could be a valid reason not to come out in fear that there is the potential of being labeled an LGBTQ+ channel, not just for Dan and/or Phil but anyone? If you come out, is there a potential that it could be blocked in restricted mode and a younger audience might not be exposed to the wonderful content that is being made just because of sexuality? Are your videos demonetized because of this? Just because you are "out" does that mean you automatically get categorized as an LGBTQ+ channel? Why is straight sexual content ok but not gay sexual content?

The restriction made lgbtq themed content unavailable, it was not based on the sexuality of the content creator. Restricted mode was supposed to filter mature content but due to "errors" it filtered non-mature lgbtq content as well. As far as i'm aware youtube addressed the issue and fixed it.

The loss in ad money has probably more to do with the adpocalypse than with restricted mode.

Gotcha!! I wasn't sure if the issue was fixed or not because no one seemed to talk about it again after the fact.

[Artdefines06]

What are your thoughts that maybe this could be a valid reason not to come out in fear that there is the potential of being labeled an LGBTQ+ channel, not just for Dan and/or Phil but anyone? If you come out, is there a potential that it could be blocked in restricted mode and a younger audience might not be exposed to the wonderful content that is being made just because of sexuality? Are your videos demonetized because of this? Just because you are "out" does that mean you automatically get categorized as an LGBTQ+ channel? Why is straight sexual content ok but not gay sexual content?

The restriction made lgbtq themed content unavailable, it was not based on the sexuality of the content creator. Restricted mode was supposed to filter mature content but due to "errors" it filtered non-mature lgbtq content as well. As far as i'm aware youtube addressed the issue and fixed it.

The loss in ad money has probably more to do with the adpocalypse than with restricted mode.

Gotcha!! I wasn't sure if the issue was fixed or not because no one seemed to talk about it again after the fact.

Speaking of apocalypse, My favorite youtuber ever just posted this video about how he can't handle the stress of this job paired with the lack of revenue, and is taking a long break that might kill his channel. I don't think it will kill his channel, but he might lose interest in in youtube and not come back full time seems pretty likely. Luckily twitch is treating people pretty well right now so a lot of gaming youtubers are switching to twitch.

which makes me wonder about the true motives of Phil researching livestreaming. Is it really because we all begged so much? Is the reason they are uploading more gaming videos because of a loss of revenue rather than saving up for the forever home? are they suffering the same levels of frustration and stress? Are they actually the millionaires everyone claims they are, or if they are is that sustainable or rapidly slipping away?

Don't mind me, I'm just worried for my rich white sons who will have plenty of other opportunities in life, even if youtube does fail them.

Here is the video I was talking about - language warning lol.

[kenzieisnotonfire]

[woottootfruitboot]

I use Reddit for some other stuff and the layout isn't as user friendly as a forum is. It's not always easy to see who has replied to who, and we wouldn't be able to customise it as much as we can here.

Don't worry, I am confident that when the time comes, we will be able to sort things out here. Who knows, we may even be able to install the thanks button that we have all been dreaming of. We definitely don't want to move away from a forum style version of IDB.

Fair enough. I completely understand why you prefer a forum layout. Forums tend to have longer comments, which I really like. Although, I personally think it's easier to see who's replied to who on Reddit.

I love the RuPauls Drag Race subreddit, but the rest of it scares the hell out of me. There's a possibility for trending/being on the frontpage and getting on the radar of some really creepy types as far as I remember.

I was thinking about how scary it would be if we made it to the front page as well. I don't think it'd ever get to that point thugh, but who knows. There are subs dedicated to cringe posts, and I'd hate if we were linked over there. There are already a few posts over on /r/CringeAnarchy about the Phandom, but just imagine if they saw all this detective work done on their apartment layout.

On second thought, maybe Reddit wouldn't be better... I just prefer the layout of replying to how it's done here, which is through quoting and takes up a lot of space imo. Thanks for your opinions guys!

[Vanderlyle]

What are your thoughts that maybe this could be a valid reason not to come out in fear that there is the potential of being labeled an LGBTQ+ channel, not just for Dan and/or Phil but anyone? If you come out, is there a potential that it could be blocked in restricted mode and a younger audience might not be exposed to the wonderful content that is being made just because of sexuality? Are your videos demonetized because of this? Just because you are "out" does that mean you automatically get categorized as an LGBTQ+ channel? Why is straight sexual content ok but not gay sexual content?

The restriction made lgbtq themed content unavailable, it was not based on the sexuality of the content creator. Restricted mode was supposed to filter mature content but due to "errors" it filtered non-mature lgbtq content as well. As far as i'm aware youtube addressed the issue and fixed it.

The loss in ad money has probably more to do with the adpocalypse than with restricted mode.

Gotcha!! I wasn't sure if the issue was fixed or not because no one seemed to talk about it again after the fact.

Speaking of apocalypse, My favorite youtuber ever just posted this video about how he can't handle the stress of this job paired with the lack of revenue, and is taking a long break that might kill his channel. I don't think it will kill his channel, but he might lose interest in in youtube and not come back full time seems pretty likely. Luckily twitch is treating people pretty well right now so a lot of gaming youtubers are switching to twitch.

which makes me wonder about the true motives of Phil researching livestreaming. Is it really because we all begged so much? Is the reason they are uploading more gaming videos because of a loss of revenue rather than saving up for the forever home? are they suffering the same levels of frustration and stress? Are they actually the millionaires everyone claims they are, or if they are is that sustainable or rapidly slipping away?

Don't mind me, I'm just worried for my rich white sons who will have plenty of other opportunities in life, even if youtube does fail them.

do y'all think maybe the adpocalypse had something to do with the rough march? i know it happened in april, but maybe the affects started earlier? the lads never really brought it up. i guess it's a stretch