lol at instant karma coming through and D&P having to deal with Emma Blackery in a private setting.
Oh definitely. I expect his picture to get dug up by antis (mostly ex-phannies who still keep tabs on them) when Felix inevitably fucks up yet again.000dia000 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2017 1:44 pmI'm going to be honest, anybody who doesn't stan deppy probably just added them to the blacklist. I'm saying what they're doing is bad, but they're certainly toeing the line. If they don't have a large fanbase, or at least Dan saying "I'm going to talk to him" then this would probably be a much more controversial pic. They aren't in my bad books, nor am I saying they should be, but we do kind of give them a lot of slack, while a lot of people (even here) otherwise hate a lot of other youtubers in this pic, or youtubers who associate with pewdiepie-like people. I'm kind of interested how this will play out, in the next couple of days. In the future. One bad association doesn't equal the entirety of a person's character, but you know how things can be blown out of proportion.
Will, "they associate and support pewdiepie" be added to their list on one of those "your fav is problematic" tumblr pages?
Interesting question. I don't think either are worse or better than each other, but Dan brought the heat on himself by making that statement that he'd talk to Felix when it's quite clear that it was said for selfish reasons because he was going to that birthday party either way and not because he genuinely wanted to do the right thing. On top of how 'woke' he often presents himself to be, that's why people are directing the majority of their disappointment to him. As for Phil, his avoidance of any sort of confrontation is annoying but well known. I don't expect anything good or bad from him regarding certain issues so it's like 'I could get mad at this but what did I expect?' for me.drearyquery wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:07 pm if you’re someone who thinks them hanging out with Felix is bad do you think dan or Phil is “worse”? dan supports stuff and says he’s an activist but I know some people think it’s just to get brownie points or act ‘woke’ bc he doesn’t follow through. On the other hand Phil goes to the same parties and interacts with the same people but doesn’t outwardly talk about anything controversial. Do y’all think dan’s slight hypocrisy makes it worse? or is it better because he still condones some things.
I feel like this has probably been brought up before but with the new photo and discussions I’m curious to see what people think.
Here's my problem with anecdotes like this because I've thought about this a bit the past few days. This post is not only directed at you btw it's partly a draft of something generic I wrote a few days ago so it's also a bit of a mess (I tried my best to save it and form it into something coherent).coffeepenguin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:08 pm Hi guys, great spooky design
so, uhm, many great things have happened lately (Dan’s video
), but I didn't feel like posting. In the end, as always, I couldn't stay away from a controversial topic, so now I want to weigh in on the whole Felix situation (under spoiler, because controversial opinion, but don’t crucify me yet, I'm not planning of defending Felix, ok?)
You and your racist or any other kind of -ist or -phobic friend are probably equals. Your friend does not have significant power over one of the world's biggest online platforms and the relatively small community that comes with it that is important to your career. Your friend does not silence your criticism by manipulating you with the power they have over that community and essentially forcing you to publicly apologize for not being blindly supportive (yeah yeah I don't actually have any actual proof of manipulation but what happend with Jackscepticeye's criticism still gives me the creeps) and a bad friend. Your friend is not the literal internet poster boy of the young alt-right and actively pandering to that part of his fanbase, fucking up the platform yo depend on for everyone by being one of the major causes of the aforementioned adpocalypse which is hitting minorities particularly hard.
Friends who are equals can go into legitimate discussion with each other. But the people around Felix are not his equals (no not even Marzia and someone still needs to explain to me why people keep giving her a pass and assume she will call him out when we have no proof she's at all educated about this and it not being beneficial for her to do so) and he damn well knows it because he keeps fucking up and giving out non apologies because he knows he doesn't really have peers or superiors who can make him feel consequences.
There's another layer to this. When we interact with our problematic friends we are not public people. Not to force D&P into the the roles of 24/7 role models because that's unfair, but they do have a significant influence over young people of all races, ethnicities, sexualities and genders. And by interacting with other public figures they give out a message. D&P who are generally seen as decent people despite their many privileges hanging with Felix makes it easier for other to excuse him. And in this case making the interaction public was even their choice so it's not like one can completely defend this with 'it was private!' or anything.
@ijustwantdeath I love your posts on this subject!
The domestic image this painted in my head is exactly what I needed today. All I want is world peace and to cuddle up in a blanket with some coffee, lmao.
Unfortunately my level of social anxiety does not allow for action, even if it is D&P 
It could be said in D&P's defense that they are there for Mariza's birthday, not for Felix. It's a stretch but I am sure it can be a valid argument.
