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Star Trek (open spoilers for Discovery)

Post by alittledizzy » Tue Oct 10, 2017 1:08 am

Any Star Trek fans here? Anyone watching Discovery?



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Re: Star Trek

Post by pilotlight » Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:24 am

Me!
I'm lately rewatching DS9 for maybe the 4th time and been following Discovery. Really enjoying the characters and the overall visuals of the new series, and just generally interested to see how it goes. It feel more advanced technology-wise than some of the Treks that are set more further in the future but I suppose if they didn't have new tech to play with, the series might seem less exciting?

Oh, and semi-related (?), the spore things, they remind me of the protomolecules from another sci-fi series, The Expanse. Just visually, I mean.

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Re: Star Trek

Post by citizen_erased » Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:29 am

yaaaassss star trek! I'm technically still making my way through tng although I'm stuck somewhere in season 4 (I think),and other than that I've only seen the original series and some bits and pieces of the other series. I'm working on it! Bit overwhelmed at times by how much star trek content there is tbh. I only started watching all the old series & movies some point last year, so it's going to take me a while to really catch up.

But I'm watching every new Discovery episode the day it comes out. So far:
-I really, really dislike Lorca, to a point where I'm kind of ranting about it on tumblr (though I might be a bit shouty already because of a different series I'm watching that has equally annoying men)
-what the hell is up with sarek too
-I do like pretty much all other characters and I'm very curious to see how everything's going to develop because right now I'm mostly just ????

Considering how all the ships in future series still use warp I'm assuming the spore thing eventually won't work out, unless this series is also set in the AOS (in which case I'd love a cameo by zach quinto and chris pine please and thank you)

One of my friends also said the way the ship twists/rotates (?) when starting the spore propulsion thing looks both really weird and kinda cool, which I have to agree with. I didn't know starships could move like that.

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Re: Star Trek

Post by alittledizzy » Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:48 pm

pilotlight wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:24 am
Me!
I'm lately rewatching DS9 for maybe the 4th time and been following Discovery. Really enjoying the characters and the overall visuals of the new series, and just generally interested to see how it goes. It feel more advanced technology-wise than some of the Treks that are set more further in the future but I suppose if they didn't have new tech to play with, the series might seem less exciting?

Oh, and semi-related (?), the spore things, they remind me of the protomolecules from another sci-fi series, The Expanse. Just visually, I mean.
Nice! I rewatched DS9 last year, and I'm rewatching Voyager this year. Man, I fucking love those two shows.

They are definitely not trying to capture the aesthetic feel of original Trek with the old one. It's a bit jarring, but I guess it makes sense. It would just not hold up against other scifi of this era if they mimicked the low quality tech aspect of the sixties show exactly.

Though it does still make me bitter that Trek as a franchise seems stuck going backwards, not forwards. First Enterprise, then AOS as the movie series, now this. I look forward to the day when we get a post-Voyager timeline series. Or even something that focuses more on the political DS9 type feel, we basically never got past the Dominion War.

I do love Discovery so far, though.
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Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:29 am
yaaaassss star trek! I'm technically still making my way through tng although I'm stuck somewhere in season 4 (I think),and other than that I've only seen the original series and some bits and pieces of the other series. I'm working on it! Bit overwhelmed at times by how much star trek content there is tbh. I only started watching all the old series & movies some point last year, so it's going to take me a while to really catch up.
I tried to rewatch TNG once and couldn't actually make it through. I think it's too steeped in nostalgia for me; I basically grew up with it, so I desperately love the characters, but the storytelling can be pretty stiff. I realized I like it better in my memory than in reality. I would really love to hear what your likes/dislikes are, though - I don't know many people are watching it for the first time now!
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Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:29 am
But I'm watching every new Discovery episode the day it comes out. So far:
-I really, really dislike Lorca, to a point where I'm kind of ranting about it on tumblr (though I might be a bit shouty already because of a different series I'm watching that has equally annoying men)
-what the hell is up with sarek too
-I do like pretty much all other characters and I'm very curious to see how everything's going to develop because right now I'm mostly just ????

Considering how all the ships in future series still use warp I'm assuming the spore thing eventually won't work out, unless this series is also set in the AOS (in which case I'd love a cameo by zach quinto and chris pine please and thank you)

One of my friends also said the way the ship twists/rotates (?) when starting the spore propulsion thing looks both really weird and kinda cool, which I have to agree with. I didn't know starships could move like that.
Definitely share your dislike of Lorca, for sure. My biggest concern with Discovery right now is that they're gonna jump on board the trendy Game of Thrones-esque theme and randomly kill off main characters just to prove that they're edgy and dark. I think the heart of Star Trek (science, discovery, conflict when exploring the universe) is obviously there but I'm a bit eh on how much gore they've introduced and how many proposed minority main cast members they've killed. I really want it to settle into a rhythm where there are characters we really get to be attached to without thinking we could lose them any episode.

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Re: Star Trek

Post by citizen_erased » Tue Oct 10, 2017 7:00 pm

alittledizzy wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:48 pm
citizen_erased wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:29 am
yaaaassss star trek! I'm technically still making my way through tng although I'm stuck somewhere in season 4 (I think),and other than that I've only seen the original series and some bits and pieces of the other series. I'm working on it! Bit overwhelmed at times by how much star trek content there is tbh. I only started watching all the old series & movies some point last year, so it's going to take me a while to really catch up.
I tried to rewatch TNG once and couldn't actually make it through. I think it's too steeped in nostalgia for me; I basically grew up with it, so I desperately love the characters, but the storytelling can be pretty stiff. I realized I like it better in my memory than in reality. I would really love to hear what your likes/dislikes are, though - I don't know many people are watching it for the first time now!
Hmm, thoughts on tng from a first-time watcher? Technically speaking, I did see it as a child from when my mom was watching, but I was really small (and they might've been German dubs though I'm not sure) so I barely remembered any of it. I gotta admit I think I'm just getting a bit bored with it? I feel like they're just repeating a lot of themes and there's not a lot of excitement left after several seasons. With TOS you never knew what kind of wacky stuff they'd come up with, but here it's like 'oh look. emotional crisis. sudden children. family issues. where are the weird aliens.'

I do love the characters, but maybe their main cast is a bit too big to really give everyone the time they deserve. At some point, you're just kind of done with all of Worf's Klingon struggles. Like yes, I know you're Klingon, can we move on now. I adore the episodes with Q though, I love how he messes with Picard and Riker :lol:
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Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:48 pm
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Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:29 am
But I'm watching every new Discovery episode the day it comes out. So far:
-I really, really dislike Lorca, to a point where I'm kind of ranting about it on tumblr (though I might be a bit shouty already because of a different series I'm watching that has equally annoying men)
-what the hell is up with sarek too
-I do like pretty much all other characters and I'm very curious to see how everything's going to develop because right now I'm mostly just ????

Considering how all the ships in future series still use warp I'm assuming the spore thing eventually won't work out, unless this series is also set in the AOS (in which case I'd love a cameo by zach quinto and chris pine please and thank you)

One of my friends also said the way the ship twists/rotates (?) when starting the spore propulsion thing looks both really weird and kinda cool, which I have to agree with. I didn't know starships could move like that.
Definitely share your dislike of Lorca, for sure. My biggest concern with Discovery right now is that they're gonna jump on board the trendy Game of Thrones-esque theme and randomly kill off main characters just to prove that they're edgy and dark. I think the heart of Star Trek (science, discovery, conflict when exploring the universe) is obviously there but I'm a bit eh on how much gore they've introduced and how many proposed minority main cast members they've killed. I really want it to settle into a rhythm where there are characters we really get to be attached to without thinking we could lose them any episode.
Yeah I had a similar concern about the killing off of especially minority main cast members after yesterday's episode. I already didn't expect to see so little from Georgiou, but now this? One of the things I love about the original series was knowing 100% sure that the main characters would always live, I don't like that kind of insecurity where my faves can die any moment. The show does also feel very edgy and dark, which I suppose would make sense considering Michael's specific situation, but still, I was hoping for a bit more lighthearted banter somewhere.

And oh god the gore, I did NOT see that amount of gore coming in a star trek series. :yuck:

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Re: Star Trek

Post by pilotlight » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:05 am

citizen_erased wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 7:00 pm
I do love the characters, but maybe their main cast is a bit too big to really give everyone the time they deserve. At some point, you're just kind of done with all of Worf's Klingon struggles. Like yes, I know you're Klingon, can we move on now. I adore the episodes with Q though, I love how he messes with Picard and Riker :lol:
I grew up watching TNG with my mom (she lovvvves it and TOS, and collects the books too) so I'm fond of it, but yeahhh, I think you're right. They didn't even seemed to know what to do with some of the characters sometimes, so they just kind of occupied space and seemed concerned while random one-off or sometimes-recurring characters got more fun things to do.

Speaking of that, I agree about Q! He and Lwaxana Troi are two of my favourites, I love the episodes they feature in.

re: killing off characters on Discovery
I couldn't believed they got rid of Rekha Sharma's character so soon. :( Really disappointing.

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Re: Star Trek (open spoilers for Discovery)

Post by loonyradish » Wed Oct 11, 2017 6:40 pm

Ooh there's a Star Trek thread, that's awesome!
I have only watched TOS and Enterprise so far, but I'd like to start DS9 or Voyager (can't decide between them so far).

I seem to be the only one here who really, really dislikes Discovery though. I watched the first episode and skipped through episode 2 and 3. Idk, I liked the first few minutes, but then the story became so over-dramatic and they seemed to focus more on those exessive lense flare special effects. I also think it lacked at least a small pinch of humor?
To quote citizen_erased,
I was hoping for a bit more lighthearted banter somewhere.
And then I'm more a fan of self-contained episodes, rather than one movie-like story, but that's another thing.

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Re: Star Trek (open spoilers for Discovery)

Post by alittledizzy » Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:21 am

loonyradish wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 6:40 pm
Ooh there's a Star Trek thread, that's awesome!
I have only watched TOS and Enterprise so far, but I'd like to start DS9 or Voyager (can't decide between them so far).

I seem to be the only one here who really, really dislikes Discovery though. I watched the first episode and skipped through episode 2 and 3. Idk, I liked the first few minutes, but then the story became so over-dramatic and they seemed to focus more on those exessive lense flare special effects. I also think it lacked at least a small pinch of humor?
To quote citizen_erased,
I was hoping for a bit more lighthearted banter somewhere.
And then I'm more a fan of self-contained episodes, rather than one movie-like story, but that's another thing.
I'd definitely say DS9 then Voyager; the air time for the shows overlapped, and since DS9 came first it help set up the basic premise of Voyager.

I do also hope that Discovery finds some more humor and lightness in the tone but I think the fourth episode warmed me up a lot. I saw more heart in it.

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