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i saw theres no topic for her here yet but ive recently watched her "diss track" video and im still thinking about it.

i used to dismiss her as another one of those gregarious and obnoxious youtubers so i never really watched her stuff. ive seen a couple of her videos before and even thought her songs were nice, but i never really caught on as her channel was not my type. so when i saw the diss track on my recommended, i just went "oh, another challenge video? nah, ill pass" but it wasnt until i saw people talking about it and finally seeing it on a react channel that i actually went and finally watched it. in retrospect, i dont think shes the type of youtuber that i can relate to personality-wise but i do definitely start to see her with respect.



considering the youtube culture right now, its a very clever way to make use of a "clickbait" to deliver a message
and honestly, i just got goosebumps
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I am actually impressed by that diss track. I like her a lot and I like that she owns up to what makes her a popular youtuber... but I tried watching some of her videos with this newfound interest in her and bailed out so quickly. She's not wrong - she's melodramatic, over the top, and very obviously using a huge amount of exaggeration to ramp up the energy level of the storytime videos she has. And her personality in general is that kind of in your face, mildly desperate attention seeking kind that gives me an instant headache.

I did watch her music videos though - and again, found myself not hating them? I very much like the encore one better than the first one. Encore starts at three minutes in.

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@alittledizzy yeah i feel that too. i do get that that over the top dramatics is what hooked people onto her, and in a way, what her demographic is built on...but yeah, im not really into that style either. thats why ive slept on her for so long (considering ive heard about dramas w her here and there, i was not interested at all).

tho, i kind of liked her grwm video right after the diss track because its a lot more chill and less exaggerated than her other ones. it was nice hearing her discuss how her creative process worked, how she values being in the moment with people that actually do care for her, and her putting effort into her own music videos, even paying the entire thing out of her own pocket. even though i may not see eye-to-eye with her persona, her self-awareness and determination is quite admirable.
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dang, her newer stuff is starting to interest me a lot more now and i especially liked this one.

i love discussions about psychology and stuff like that and i think she made her topic very clear and concise. at one point she shared her "rule" for separating personal relationships with her work to some extent...and my mind place instantly thought about dnp and their "rare collabs" with people.

idk it just makes you think.
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Wowww has anybody been following this trainwreck lately? It's fascinating how dedicated she is to ruining her entire life/career just for the hell of it. She went completely off the rails (again, some more) last month-ish just ranting on insta/twitter about people she hates (literally out of nowhere) and apparently is going to release a 13-part (lmaooo) or something series about her side of the story. Her story being.... she's never done anything wrong in her life and people just hate her because she's: a woman/25% middle eastern/has ADHD/[insert excuse of the week]. I don't even know where to begin with a tl;dr since a lot of stuff blowing up now started in like 2018/2019 (some of which was based on other stuff from 2014?) and some of it needs TWs, but the overall tl;dr is she is nightmarishly awful and I can't wait to see how she keeps digging in further.

This came out a few days ago from fucking Buzzfeed:
Why Is Everyone So Mad at Gabbie Hanna?

For more info, Lily Marston has been killing it today:
(For more context, go check out Jessie Smiles' twitter, but TW because wowwww Gabbie is disgusting trash)

Like all she had to do was shut the fuck up? And mind her business? But she just can't fucking do it and it makes for some A+ scrolling on lunch breaks. I mean, just look at this:
You can't make this stuff up.
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Oh wow that buzzfeed article was a fun read. I barely knew about her and have only seen bits here and there whenever a new drama flared up on Twitter.

Back in April though when the poetry thing happened, I actually felt really sorry for gabbie. Not because I liked her poetry (if you can even call it that.) But no matter how I see it, a reviewer/critic who keeps making criticising one particular person extremely harshly their main personality/selling point, and profiting hugely from it, is quite an opportunist and a bully too.
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obvsly wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 4:01 am But no matter how I see it, a reviewer/critic who keeps making criticising one particular person extremely harshly their main personality/selling point, and profiting hugely from it, is quite an opportunist and a bully too.
The thing is - Gabbie was the one sending her poetry book to that person (Rachel Oates) and she did it while knowing that Rachel didn’t like her first book either. Like, if you’re willing to let critics/reviewers check out your work, you need to be ready to accept that they might not like it and Gabbie clearly struggles with that concept.
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glitterintheair wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:11 am The thing is - Gabbie was the one sending her poetry book to that person (Rachel Oates) and she did it while knowing that Rachel didn’t like her first book either. Like, if you’re willing to let critics/reviewers check out your work, you need to be ready to accept that they might not like it and Gabbie clearly struggles with that concept.
Of course! There's no denying that. Gabbie was clearly expecting some kind of reactions. She's most definitely the "any publicity is good publicity" type. But I mean the way Oates has been treating Gabbie Hanna as a subject since after the first book. A critic/reviewer can hate the book for whatever reason, left a review to explain, and move on. I wouldn't call doing 6 hugely popular videos (i just made up the number lol but it feels like a lot, i cba to check the exact amount) about and publishing (and profiting from) a book written especially to parody one particular writer a normal critic behaviour? And having that book written from a dog's perspective? How much does a person have to take these repeat bashings from writing a bad book?
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obvsly wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 2:08 pm
glitterintheair wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:11 am The thing is - Gabbie was the one sending her poetry book to that person (Rachel Oates) and she did it while knowing that Rachel didn’t like her first book either. Like, if you’re willing to let critics/reviewers check out your work, you need to be ready to accept that they might not like it and Gabbie clearly struggles with that concept.
Of course! There's no denying that. Gabbie was clearly expecting some kind of reactions. She's most definitely the "any publicity is good publicity" type. But I mean the way Oates has been treating Gabbie Hanna as a subject since after the first book. A critic/reviewer can hate the book for whatever reason, left a review to explain, and move on. I wouldn't call doing 6 hugely popular videos (i just made up the number lol but it feels like a lot, i cba to check the exact amount) about and publishing (and profiting from) a book written especially to parody one particular writer a normal critic behaviour? And having that book written from a dog's perspective? How much does a person have to take these repeat bashings from writing a bad book?
This is a response Rachel Oates left on some drama video recently:
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I've never watched any of her review videos, but it sounds like they were fairly constructive? And if it's true she hadn't even mentioned her or anything in months, then Gabbie waking up one day and deciding to rant about her/call her a bitch and abuser over and over again seems a little........ yikes. Like she could easily go find a ton of way worse reviews of her work on Goodreads or her own comment sections lol. To go so hard after a (from what it sounds like) fairly polite poetry reviewer is just bizarre.

Full disclosure I read both of her books for the lols, and they were Not Good. Some of the more personal essays were fine, and some of the poems were.. fun? But mostly they were shitty recycled tweets and just trash. And I mean, who doesn't love reading some fun trash once in a while, it can't be fucking Whitman 24/7, but her wringing her hands over her own perceived talent and demanding everybody agree with her brilliance sort of deflates when you actually read what she wrote. At the end of the day, they're just more low effort YouTuber books. And there's nothing really wrong with that either until you remember she was pushing 3 different versions and encouraging her viewers to buy all 3 (plus promising pre-order "perks" and never actually delivering them, etc).

She still hasn't acknowledged anything that happened the past week (all of which was her own doing), I wonder if she'll just add 5 more parts to her ~series about how she's actually the victim here.
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I watched Rachel's review when it first came out and it's, like, a well thought out critique not a hit piece or anything. sure it's not sugar-coated like it would be in a poetry workshop, but it shouldn't need to be when this is something the author believes in enough to professionally publish for profit. Oates never attacked hanna personally, in fact it's gabbie who's called her a b*tch
multiple times, not Rachel.

For what it's worth, I was EiC of my uni lit magazine so it's not like I'm in the industry or anything, but nothing Rachel expressed would've been inappropriate when we were discussing which entries to accept
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@dontpanic and @fancybum, thank you so much for the info! Glad I can look at this in a new way now because I really hate to see people being mean to other people just for fame, monetary gain, or--the worst-- for fun (which I know Gabbie herself is guilty of in numerous situations.) The parody book by the dog still doesn't sit quite right with me. It feels like a step too far and I'm not sure the charity factor is supposed to make it all okay? But as someone who's not even a casual viewer of both of them, i'm gonna bow out until the next drama, i guess. ;)
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I haven't been watching any of her videos, but the fallout that occurs when she posts every single day is A LOT to keep up with....
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Some highlights (??) of the week:
This one is just very funny because she's literally lost her entire mind JUST BECAUSE of people talking shit about her on the internet. Her boyfriend dumped her (for, I assume, being fucking insane) and it's honestly upsetting at this point? Like she's doing all of this for... what...? FOR WHAT. Imagine making it your quest in life to force the world to like you, while at the same time admitting to being a raging bitch in almost all encounters with people. But hey, it's all ADHD's fault, no personal responsibility needed. Mental illness makes you a terrible person seems to be the narrative she wants to push, which is super helpful for us all. Very nice and good.

And her culty way of speaking to her fans is creepy as fuck. For real though, she's got 2 cats and a mansion, what more do you need in life?? Let people be dicks on the internet about your confirmed shitty behaviour and just enjoy being rich? Is that really so fucking hard?
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I had a blast last night listening to Emily D Baker talk about Gabbie in her members only live. Also the sheer number of people coming out of the woodwork to point out that ADHD doesn't make you behave the way Gabbie is trying to describe... I haven't watched Gabbie in literally years but I'm re-invested for this mass callout.
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I watched the whole of Joey Graceffa's and Daniel Preda's hour-long video (each) last night and man... I've never watched them before but they talk so well. They're so articulate and providing receipts every step of the way. I can't see how Gabbie could twist it her way now.

It's really entertaining though. From what I've seen, Gabbie doesn't even have a leg to stand on this. So she keeps shouting Yes I know i was a bitch and difficult and I lied and I fucked up I'm admitting this but THEY GANGED UP ON ME.

Um... maybe because you lied and were a bitch to everyone? Perhaps? lol
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alittledizzy wrote: Fri Jul 02, 2021 3:35 pm I had a blast last night listening to Emily D Baker talk about Gabbie in her members only live. Also the sheer number of people coming out of the woodwork to point out that ADHD doesn't make you behave the way Gabbie is trying to describe... I haven't watched Gabbie in literally years but I'm re-invested for this mass callout.
Ooh I've never heard of this person, but she's a lawyer? Please tell me she was just making fun of Gabbie's completely insane legal threats against Jessi (or any other number of people) lol. Any tea? And yeah I haven't watched anything since her first vid with Trisha (which just gave me a headache like 10 mins in and I had to tap out; it was two people who make no sense to begin with arguing about subjective shit), but apparently throughout the videos she's blamed her losing an alleged record deal on Trisha, Jessi, drama channels, and at one point on herself for not wanting to do pop music (??). Like on one hand this is very entertaining because I'm bored af, but on the other hand I'm worried for her brain (and also the sheer amount of people she's straight up harassing and like re-traumatizing for... no rational reason).
obvsly wrote: Fri Jul 02, 2021 5:25 pm I watched the whole of Joey Graceffa's and Daniel Preda's hour-long video (each) last night and man... I've never watched them before but they talk so well. They're so articulate and providing receipts every step of the way. I can't see how Gabbie could twist it her way now.

It's really entertaining though. From what I've seen, Gabbie doesn't even have a leg to stand on this. So she keeps shouting Yes I know i was a bitch and difficult and I lied and I fucked up I'm admitting this but THEY GANGED UP ON ME.

Um... maybe because you lied and were a bitch to everyone? Perhaps? lol
Right?! What did she gain by bringing this up now? I truly can't grasp what she even wants to be apologized to for, everything that was wrong (in her eyes) on that set was because of her own actions (missing fittings, not filling out the required forms, being a nightmare person). She's just mad that her terrible behaviour was gossiped about between other people on the set. Like she genuinely thinks people shouldn't be allowed to speak about her (even if what they're saying is 100% truth). She's scary. She wanted Jessi to sign an NDA so she couldn't talk about her, but Gabbie herself would retain the right to talk about Jessi. The deranged entitlement is so strong and worrying.

edit: Oh and I also find it very funny how many other cast members of Escape the Night (including Tyler Oakley and Tana lmao) liked Rosanna Pansino's tweet calling bullshit on Gabbie. Like when you piss off a (I think?) drama-free internet baker, it's time to shh and think about your life choices for a while.
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fancybum wrote: Fri Jul 02, 2021 5:39 pm
alittledizzy wrote: Fri Jul 02, 2021 3:35 pm I had a blast last night listening to Emily D Baker talk about Gabbie in her members only live. Also the sheer number of people coming out of the woodwork to point out that ADHD doesn't make you behave the way Gabbie is trying to describe... I haven't watched Gabbie in literally years but I'm re-invested for this mass callout.
Ooh I've never heard of this person, but she's a lawyer? Please tell me she was just making fun of Gabbie's completely insane legal threats against Jessi (or any other number of people) lol. Any tea? And yeah I haven't watched anything since her first vid with Trisha (which just gave me a headache like 10 mins in and I had to tap out; it was two people who make no sense to begin with arguing about subjective shit), but apparently throughout the videos she's blamed her losing an alleged record deal on Trisha, Jessi, drama channels, and at one point on herself for not wanting to do pop music (??). Like on one hand this is very entertaining because I'm bored af, but on the other hand I'm worried for her brain (and also the sheer amount of people she's straight up harassing and like re-traumatizing for... no rational reason)
Her opinion was basically that it's bs and pointless that Gabbie keeps trying to act like she's going to re-litigate against Jessi. She said if anything concrete comes out of it she'll definitely cover it. If you like watching a sassy lawyer who really knows her shit, definitely check out her channel!! She loves to cover youtube tea.
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I watched Joey's video because I used to follow him back in the day and he never looked particularly toxic to me - just lost, perhaps, hard-working and good overall. What he says seems reasonable.
Then I watched Daniel and, ugh, I don't know him much other than he was Joey's boyfriend, but he looked so fake to me, so double-face as Gabbie says. He was not just professional: he was professional (he did not let her get to him) but also so fake (mentioning, between the messages, things you would say to a friend, not to a colleague). He gave me the creeps.

And no matter how manipulative Gabbie is, we can all agree that she does have mental ill problems, that an ED is extremely serious and delicate to threat and survive through. It is a mental state where if you don't eat o do eat certain things, your entire world crumbles and you feel you are the monster Gabbie sings in her song. Daniel saying "yet she ate the rubbish food and only one of the salads I went out of my way to buy her" is so ignorant and cruel because he is talking about someone with a ED as severe as Gabbie's.

I also tried to watch Gabbie's video but, being so ill, she is so toxic I couldn't listen to it all.

Certainly, because of her mental illness, she was not supposed to work in ETN4; if mental health was taken more serious, a doctor would have told her not to, specially not in the middle of that ED.
Perhaps she accepted it because of how greedy she is for money; perhaps it is because her manager convinced her; perhaps she wanted an opportunity to re-launch her image and misjudge her ability to handle the work.

She's stuck in an awful place, but I don't think she wants to hurt people. Or is she paying/investing in racist/homophobic/misogynist products/classist services?
And because she is not a Trump supporters kind of person (I think; please correct me), then I think people should not accept her behaviour, yes, but also recognise that she is stuck here.

Daniel is the one who caused this, it appears to me, because he mentioned her, and thus Gabbie "had" to defend herself.
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Emily D Baker did briefly talk about the Gabbie/Jessi legal situation in her public livestream Saturday night - not as fun as her deep dives but still interesting to listen to.


Around 1:38:06 if the video doesn't jump to the right place.
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So yeah Gabbie Hanna is a rape apologist and overall trash fire, as if anybody needed more proof:


This was an infuriating watch and I'm also nervous about what Baggie's doing since she paused her daily posting of her series after dropping her last Jessi vid, so like was she waiting for Jessi to respond before starting back up again, or has she started to realize how none of this is doing anybody any favours?

Jessi included clips of Bag's vid in hers and can we just take a minute to absorb this quote from it:

(around 1:15:20) Gabbie: “Dude, I’ve been living in constant fear that a lie that I don’t even know I’m telling is gonna catch up with me because I don’t fucking remember it. Because I do impulsive shit and then I forget about it. I have memory issues, dude.”

And there's a disclaimer on the screen after she says it that reads:
THIS IS *NOT* MAKING AN EXCUSE.
I CANNOT TAKE OWNERSHIP OF SOMETHING THAT I DO NOT REMEMBER AND IS NOT COMMUNICATED TO ME.


Can I not read, or do those 2 statements cancel each other out????? What???? It's not an excuse, but here's why she's not at fault (or able to "take ownership") for anything? Can I read??

Jessi's response to that:
What you’re basically saying is that you’re so impulsive, and you’ve done so much shit to hurt people over the years, that you can’t even keep track of it. And quite frankly, that’s something you need to get help for. I’m not shaming your mental health at all, I’m just saying that is a scary situation. And it means that you’ve treated a lot of people in ways that you can’t even keep track of at this point, because it’s been so many, because you’re so impulsive. That’s not an excuse. Stop hurting people, and you don’t have to keep track of anything.
And basically the wrap-up to the video:
1:17:40
I am done with this person. I think she is a danger on this platform. Not just to the people she terrorizes when they’re having mental breakdowns, but to her fans and her followers who every day are sent marching in a different direction to defend her because she’d rather create this spectacle of a series and pretend that she’s never ever spoken up about anything than just say, ‘I fucked up here, period.’

If you want to take accountability, just do it, but stop trying to paint yourself as someone who does no wrong and gets called out for nothing, and you’re just being attacked, and you’re just being hurt. You hurt people, Gabbie. You hurt people constantly. And mark my words, you will continue to hurt people. Once this series is over, six months, a year from now, when your music needs promoting, you are going to attack someone else like Rachel Oates, or Oscar Wylde, or Dominic DeAngelis. You are going to worry your followers on TikTok by doing dances and saying things that concern them. You are going to do that. Because that’s you. That’s nobody else but you. Those are things that you’re doing. You feel like your life is just drama and things you have to address, but you refuse to hold up the mirror in front of your face and see how you got there. The part that you played in almost every situation. Is there situations where people are wronged for no reason, and that you might have been wronged for no reason? Yeah. But a lot of them, that’s not the case. You’ve had a huge part to play in almost every situation that you’ve been called out for.

Again, I was bullied off of Vine, the only platform I knew, and I left in silence because that’s what I wanted to do, and I wanted to do it with dignity. For you to say that this series is you leaving YouTube because you’ve basically been bullied off of YouTube, but then to bring everyone down with you… Do you not think I could have been on Vine every day of my life [arguing with people leaving hate comments]? Gabbie, why the fuck would I spend time trying to convince people who think I’m a horrible person over something I know—I know—happened? Why would I spend a breath on those people? For what? I left for myself. If you want to leave YouTube, there’s the door. But stop trying to bring everyone into the shit that you caused.
It's a long watch, but Jesus.
Levitating wrote: Sat Jul 03, 2021 4:28 pm She's stuck in an awful place, but I don't think she wants to hurt people. Or is she paying/investing in racist/homophobic/misogynist products/classist services?
And because she is not a Trump supporters kind of person (I think; please correct me), then I think people should not accept her behaviour, yes, but also recognise that she is stuck here.

Daniel is the one who caused this, it appears to me, because he mentioned her, and thus Gabbie "had" to defend herself.
I disagree, I fully think she wants to hurt people. And I don't care if it's "because" of a mental illness, that's not an excuse to treat people like trash. It's not Joey's or Daniel's job to manage her eating disorder, it's her job. And especially in this case where even though it's not their job, they still went out of their way to attempt to accommodate her (despite her not making any effort to accommodate them in attempting to accommodate her--like, fill out necessary paperwork when needed if what the paperwork concerns is that big of an issue to you). Or straight up just don't take the job. "Okay, I'll take the job but I'll treat you all like garbage if anything inconveniences me even slightly" is not how to exist in the world. We all have bad days, we can all be bitches, but there are limits to what you can blame on other people, or even reasonably expect from them. But whatever, fine, if that's how you choose to exist in the world every single day, then you can't be upset that other people think that's fucked up and go on to tell other people about it, or hold it against you for as long as they want. And when it comes to this chick, like maybe this one isolated incident could have been forgiven/moved on from if she, you know, actually gave a shit about anybody but herself. But this isn't an isolated incident, and it seems like in 99% of incidents involving her, she's the problem. But she refuses to "take ownership" of that because hey, she's got memory issues, dude, and everybody else is out to get her, because she's somehow exclusively surrounded by "narcissistic abusers". That's a wild coincidence.

Also she's a misogynist and she invests in herself, so there's that.
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loml Emily D Baker spent about twenty minutes talking about Gabbie and Jessi today -


1:07:15 for the timestamp - she also segments her videos so you can just look at the section headers.
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alittledizzy wrote: Wed Jul 07, 2021 12:10 am loml Emily D Baker spent about twenty minutes talking about Gabbie and Jessi today -


1:07:15 for the timestamp - she also segments her videos so you can just look at the section headers.
She seems chill, I like her! And I especially liked her saying “everyone in this situation is not a narcissist. It feels to me that the person that is throwing the insults is the one that’s causing the problems” because yeahhh. There's a good quote from Justified that Baggie should maybe think about: You run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. You run into assholes all day, you're the asshole.

Honestly I wish somebody would call her bluff and just get some legal shit going to show her how very wrong she is, but there's the whole 'waste of time and money and like, enduring mental and emotional torture' aspect, so..

People leaked more of her Patreon posts this week, and it kind of sounds like she hasn't abandoned the series? Even though she's gone quiet for weeks?
July 15th:
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i’m an artist,
too much time has been taken from my art.
tonight I’m making art.

the series is art.

i’m finding my people.

i feel better now.

sorry i’m late. i lost all concept of time.

July 16th:
my ability
to underestimate how long it will take me to do
something never ceases to amaze me.

my greatest talent, truly.

and one from today which is just.....
i am so fucking mentally ill

i know that.

i know you all know that.

just feeling it a lot lately.

i think its being mentally ill and being a full fledged adult.

being mentally ill and twenty-something was different.

the chaos was welcomed.

being mentally ill and thirty feels heavier.

i feel like I’m just really waking up.

if i could do my whole life differently, I would.

that’s not a great feeling.

the upside is, i have a lot of life left and set myself up in a way that I can just start over.

there’s a big change coming. im not sure what it is yet.

that’s scary, too.

[starts talking about how her cat won’t eat and she “can’t play this game with him for the next 18-20 years so I hope I figure it out soon” and anyway I wish her ex-boyfriend took the cats because he’s probably familiar with the concept of a VETERINARIAN]
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Imagine actually paying somebody to complain at you about how bad they're fucking up their own life. Actually it's even worse than that, she did a livestream for Patrons and basically (while crying) said she's not comfortable posting to Patreon since she knows it all gets leaked and she's going to transition her exclusive stuff to OnlyFans. Which she's charging $25 monthly for. Starting around 8:40 in the video, she's telling her paying Patrons how shitty Patreon is lmao, and how much better OF is. Imagine paying for this. There aren't enough yikes.

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oops I'm sorry for the double post, but I forgot I wanted to add this video to slightly balance out my incessant bitching:


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Thanks and have a great day! Oil me
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