sentinel wrote: Also, I don't get why a certain group should be protected. By that logic, the "WE MUST RETAKE CONSTANTINOPLE" meme is offensive to the Turkish people because it promotes the invasion of their country.
To say it with Pewdiepie’s own words: Context matters. His jokes don’t exist in a vacuum. I suppose you’ve heard of the Shoa, right? That’s only about seventy years ago. Some survivors are still alive. Anti-Semitism is still rampant in many western countries and beyond. So no, this isn’t about protecting certain “groups”. This is about the political context jokes like his jokes can never be separated from. Besides I don’t get how “Death to all xxx” is funny to anyone, no matter what ethnic or religious group it’s aimed at. How is that funny? How is that even a joke?
captainspacecoat wrote:I have no doubt that if pewdiepie wasn't a youtuber Hank Green would have no qualms about critiquing his behaviour. I don't understand how someone who is generally quite reasonable can miss the point so badly: it's not even about whether Felix actually believes what he's saying (I don't think he does) it's about the fact that it is literally dangerous to make anti-semitic comments, especially in today's political climate. Regardless of his intent, he is making jokes that play into the rise of neo-Nazism and that justify anti-Semitic language/beliefs. There are people in his comments who genuinely praise him for this behaviour, who don't give a shit whether or not he's serious but simply see the most popular youtuber essentially validating/justifying their anti-semitism.
I can't help but wonder if people would defend him like this if it had been "all black people" or "all Muslims" instead of "all Jews". People underestimate anti-semitism a lot because they consider Jewish people to be white and therefore to have white privilege. I really think Felix is getting away with this the way he does because people don't take anti-semitism as seriously as they should. They don't realise how much hatred Jewish people face. Maybe I'm completely off and I don't want to stick my neck out here since I'm not Jewish myself but I feel like many people don't take the discrimination Jewish people face seriously. Like... at all.
mio wrote:Also, since when is comedy all about "pushing the boundries"? There is tons of brilliant humor out there that doesn't need to do that, or if it does, does so respectfully. If your only asset is provocation, that's nothing to be proud if really.
I agree so much! People still haven't learnt that humour and satire are supposed to aim upwards, not downwards. Using comedy to spew hate speech is so low but people pretend like it's brave and edgy. It's just really gross.
JLynne wrote:I'm wondering how much of this whole situation is due to cultural disparities. Felix is a Swede, living in a homogeneous area of England. I'm not saying that excuses bad behavior, but I think it might be useful to consider the demographic, cultural and social differences-- not everyone is outraged by the same thing. Outrage and "sensitivity threshold" are dependent on where you're from, what you're surrounded by, and social circles.
This is an interesting thought but I'm not sure it's applicable here. Scandinavia is pretty close to Germany. This isn't something to us that happened long ago in some far away place, it's something that happened just 70 years ago in a country that's practically a neighbour. Scandinavian cities have Holocaust memorials, it's present in history class and it's part of it: Norwegian Jews were also deported to concentration camps and many of them fled to Sweden because it was neutral. These poor people faced a lot of discrimination and anti-semitism once they arrived in Sweden and there's still a lot of that going around today. Scandinavians can be horribly racist and anti-semitic since it is basically rooted in Scandinavia's history which is why I never questioned why Felix would think he was being funny. In conclusion: To Scandinavians the Holocaust isn't something that happened far away to someone else like it might seem to Americans.The Holocaust affected Scandinavia directly and Felix would know that.