Dan & Phil Part 57: Pinky and the Brain

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That was an incredible video and I came away from it feeling very positive which is not necessarily something I would expect from a depression video!

Dan truly found a great tone and balance on a difficult, personal topic and it seems like he has put something out that has impacted a lot of people. I think that he has definitely helped to unite a lot of people who struggle, often silently and alone, and that is so important and powerful. I hope he and everyone who are coping with mental health issues find some strength and healing in this amazing community.
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“I am who I am in spite of this thing constantly holding me back.”

I had to pause the video at that part because it's just so... raw. I'm so so so glad he did the whole 'not putting "I'm depressed" in my twitter bio' thing. It's been years since I was active on Tumblr, but I vividly remember how popular it is to put 'am depressed,' 'have anxiety' etc. in tumblr bios. Him broaching the topic about how MI doesn't have to define one's self is just... so important.

Also, the fact that he represents depression as a journey is so important--people have already mentioned this, but I'll echo that it's wonderful how Dan talked about what happens after seeking psychiatric help.

If I'm being honest, I don't think I'll be able to watch this video again. It's as if he did too good of a job.

At the very beginning Dan says "this may come as a shock to literally everybody, I'm sure," and with the way he says it I can't tell if he's being sarcastic or not? Not that it really matters, it just confused me is all. I always kinda assumed he had depression mostly because of old videos like 'Existential Crisis' and 'college dropout' (where he even uses the term 'depressed' in the description) and just used "existential crisis" as a cover but I didn't want to get all armchair psych. I just can't tell if he's trying to say something like "I've been sharing bits of my struggles and here's the full story about my journey.

Also irrelevant comment, but him giving the tiny mention of his uncle who had bipolar touched me a stupid amount, I think just because hearing that word out loud in a normal context is so rare, the only time it's uttered seems to be when it's being grossly misrepresented in TV/Movies. Sorry this is such a useless comment, I just needed to word vomit.
edit: idk why, but I'm kind of surprised more "big" youtubers haven't tweeted about his video, especially since he's had quite a bit of attention from them for recent videos. I can't vocalize why I'm feeling this way, but it just seems odd that Zoe/Alfie are pretty much the only ones.

edit-edit: on a lighter note, I have a theory. I feel like he uses "furry" in videos as a placeholder to stand in for his actual personal thing going on in the situation he's describing. Like, he probably doesn't spend much time talking to a therapist about his furry interests, but it's not like he wants to go even more personal in the vid than he already is. I think this same idea fits into a few of his furry mentions.

(not that I don't bet he has /r/furry/ f**ken bookmarked, but you feel me)
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What a beautiful and honest video to wake up to this morning.
What that say about mental illness being an invisible illness is completely true because you really don't know what people are actually going through.
I loved how honest he was and tried to make it in informative video but still put in the little skits to make it a Daniel video. It was the perfect amount to just set the tone of the video off just right.
I am happy Zoe recognised Dan's video (as she was one of the reasons why I realised I had a MI) and shared it out to all her followers. Hopefully it will help more people in lots of ways.
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Wow, I am glad that I went to bed before he uploaded because I wouldn't have been able to sleep after watching this. I've been wondering for years if I might have depression and even though I feel better right now, his description in the start was just so spot-on of what I have been feeling for a long time. I got so distracted by my own thoughts that I just looked out of the window for half the video... I should probably rewatch it since I failed to notice a lot of things mentioned here.
Mental health is not something we ever discussed in my family and something that I think my partner doesn't fully understand either, so I am inclined to show him the video because I feel so understood by it. (Is that English? I don't even know anymore. I think I need to take a shower and think about life)

Since I haven't seen it mentioned yet (or overlooked it) - I guess #thatweekinmarch might have been related to meds and physical health. I can understand why he wouldn't be able to talk about that without all the information from this video first.

That I'm proud of Dan for dealing with his issues and sharing them with the internet is of course implied, but I do want to give a :love1: to Phil if he's lurking (Hi) cause from my own experience I can tell that it can't always be easy for the close friends to be there.
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the topic is almost too close to home for me to separate my feelings and analyse the video in depth, and everyone's highlighted the best parts and why they are already, but i know i'd kick myself if i didn't record my initial reaction.

for a stranger i'll probably never meet, i'm so, so proud of him.

i watched the video with my heart in my mouth. it felt like a big elephant in the room, and he was finally addressing what i feel he's begun to do in other ways lately (with the social anxiety comments, agoraphobia, etc); his mental health. it felt personal because i think he knows, and we all know, that his struggles are something he shares with a laaarge percentage of his audience. my timeline is flooded with people relating to him, thanking him, with only a few negative reactions i can pick out in the youtube comments section. of course there will be more, but hopefully those stay buried as the positive ones float to the top. indefinitely, preferably. (I think a comparison would be Zoe and the the balance she's struck, though she has her detractors).

really, he could not have chosen his words better, edited it better, set a better tone, included or excluded anything differently to make it better. it's as close to perfect as something this intimate and revealing can be. he must have spent a lot of time and heartache over how to present it, and i hope he knows that the attempt landed because though it was scripted he was to-the-point and honest (though the additions like the sketches were great, and eased the tension of the heavy topic). i appreciate in particular that he gave a (brief) reason why he jokes about it, as that is something he has been roasted on in the past by fans and non-fans alike (especially back on gg), and that he didn't frame his experiences as if he were 'cured'.

i would really enjoy a video from him on his experiences with therapy, but i understand if he needs time to just kind of...sit with this decision and see how it changes his conversations with his audience. and i guess everyone else in his life, including people he's yet to met. because as he said, he didn't tell many people, and in a way he's now effectively told...every one. that must feel quite overwhelming.

edit: dontpanic i am, too, actually. although he doesn't get a huge amount of interaction from other youtubers, to be fair. his socialisation on twitter is quite limited. i wondered if maybe some of them were shy to acknowledge because it isn't 'their' topic to relate on? also, he was a day late? it didn't surprise me Zoe responded, nor Alfie, as her major supporter and someone who lives with and deals with her mental illness every day. (and someone who's said he now sees a therapist, also, although he has no affliction). the beginning - I assumed he was being sarcastic when he said it would come as a shock. people have been armchair-ing him for years due to his content, and he'd be aware of that.

edit2: the week in march debacle, i'm not sold on. i think we now how confirmation from the horses' mouth that health is a contributing factor, but i still believe he was dealing with both that and life changes, external stresses that we don't know about. i don't however feel certain that we'll learn them, like I did a few months ago. confident but not certain.
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Wow. The video was amazing. I don't know what I was expecting, but I definitely wasn't expecting to feel so much.
I started to cry halfway through. Everyone has already said a lot of the same thoughts I had on the video. I feel so proud of Dan! When the video was done I just felt like giving him a hug.

Personal stuff under the spoiler -
I have struggled with mental illness since I was very young, and didn't even know it was a thing until my late teens. It was only in recent years I realized that no, I wasn't crazy, there was something wrong and I wasn't "making a big deal out of nothing", as I was/still am frequently told. My family has never taken any of it seriously, and I've been wanting to see a professional for years.
I now really do feel I should take the step and get help.
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This video spoke to me on so many levels and I am really proud of him for sharing his story! I always suspected that he has depression from the few things he did share. It really annoyed me how people were so quick to dismiss everything he said because he was talking about it in a jokey way when that's what a lot of people do. I want to remind everyone that you shouldn't judge people like that. You never know what's going on inside another person's head. And I hate how just because someone isn't open about their mental health, they are judged like crazy when they try to subtly mention it without getting too deep. So many people were annoyed how he threw words around he apparently didn't know anything about when he's been going to therapy for 3 years. We just didn't know. Sorry, but I just needed to say this as I saw it here as well. And I don't mean anyone in particular and I'm sure if you did do this, you can learn from it now :love1:

I'd also like to mention that him saying that his meds (which are the same I take) made him feel like a zombie when he took too many, made me realise that it's the same for me and I should probably take less. I didn't really consider that it could be the meds and now I am going to try and see what it will be like if I take less. So, thank you, Dan, maybe this will help!!! :blackheart:

Generally, his video gave me so much hope. I've had some similar experiences and am not in a good place right now (it's better than it used to be at least). Hearing him say he's fine now while he still suffers from depression sometimes, makes me hope that I'll be there one day too.

I guess this is my favourite dinof video now, just because it's the most genuine and real and also relatable video of his so far :garbage:
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wow i said i trusted him to make it good but it was Good and think he managed to find just the right tone for telling this story.
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Ok, so, I finished watching Dan's new video (I still need to catch up on the liveshows) and... I have a lot of thoughts. Nothing bad though, it's just that this topic hits me in a real personal way since I been depressed for 2 years (and struggling with other mental health issues for like 9 years).

In general, this video actually made me feel better. I've been having a couple of rough weeks, and sometimes with depression that can lead to self destructive thoughts and behavior, but seeing someone that I admire talking so openly about this and spreading a message of "you can and will get better" it's refreshing. And encouraging. When I finished the video I started thinking in a more positive way, which is hard since I'm only 21 and I'm already so tired of this; but maybe there is hope for people like me. His tips about taking basic care of yourself and doing excercise are actually really helpful, too. So, thank you, Dan. :platonic:

I also liked that he mentioned antidepressants. There is a huge misunderstanding of it and people are sometimes afraid of taking those (I used to be like that) but there is actually nothing wrong with taking medication if you need it and your doctor prescribes it. It helps a lot, not only with depression but with other mental illness too.

This post came out really personal and I'm sorry if I made someone uncomfortable. In short: I'm proud of Dan for making this video, it takes a lot of courage to talk about something that is so personal and to get over it. If I could say 'thank you' for a million times, I would say it. :love1:
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I'm glad I fell asleep before Dan posted his video last night or else my mind would have been whirring all night long! Excellent video - it's going to help SO many people, I feel a bit overwhelmed with fondness for Dan right now (and Phil :love1:).

I've always thought that I've not particularly suffered from MH issues in my life but am feeling like I've had a bit of a reality-check this morning. There are so many periods of my life and specific incidents, that I now suspect were due to depression and anxiety, that I just refused to acknowledge at the time as anything other than me being shy, antisocial and having really low self-esteem. I'm pretty old now and in a fairly good place mentally but if I'd had better knowledge and understanding of these things when I was in my teens and early twenties, I've no doubt that my life would have been completely different.

I'm definitely going to take a few things away from Dan's video personally and I'm going to make sure both my daughters watch it too and spend some time discussing it with them.
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DatCog wrote: Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:50 am I'm glad I fell asleep before Dan posted his video last night or else my mind would have been whirring all night long! Excellent video - it's going to help SO many people, I feel a bit overwhelmed with fondness for Dan right now (and Phil :love1:).

I've always thought that I've not particularly suffered from MH issues in my life but am feeling like I've had a bit of a reality-check this morning. There are so many periods of my life and specific incidents, that I now suspect were due to depression and anxiety, that I just refused to acknowledge at the time as anything other than me being shy, antisocial and having really low self-esteem. I'm pretty old now and in a fairly good place mentally but if I'd had better knowledge and understanding of these things when I was in my teens and early twenties, I've no doubt that my life would have been completely different.

I'm definitely going to take a few things away from Dan's video personally and I'm going to make sure both my daughters watch it too and spend some time discussing it with them.
I agree. It’s a good talking point video. I was thinking the same thing, at least showing it to my oldest child. He likes watching D&P so I think it would be much more relatable this way, and a good prompt for discussion
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Daniel….I’m speechless (says the lady who goes on to type five paragraphs on this). It’s all been said by now but I just wanted to add mine to the choir of voices of appreciation for his new video. It must’ve taken a great deal of self-reflection, courage, energy, and commitment for him to create this…and the result is, honestly, one of the most thoughtful, respectful, honest, and yes…even hilarious sharings of personal struggle and triumph that I’ve ever seen from someone in the public eye.

His video was revealing, it was fresh, and it was very true to who he is as a creator. The hydration thing hit me like a ton of bricks…I always suspected there was more to it…all this time, he wasn’t just being “lolrandom”…he was finding his own way to talk about how difficult it can be sometimes for him just to live...not only that, in the midst of his struggles, he was showing his concern and caring for a bunch of strangers who just happen to watch his videos...just because he knew what it was like and that they may be struggling too.

After I watched the video last night, I felt so serenely full of love for him and what he’s doing in the world, especially for anyone who looks up to him and knows something might be going on in themselves but is hesitant to reach out for help. I couldn’t be prouder of him.

I’m also very glad to see some of his peers voicing their support for him publicly, and I suspect some have reached out privately as well (I think I’d be compelled to do so if I were in their shoes, it’s that good of a video). To have someone who understands exactly how difficult it can be to do what you did, the risks involved, and the emotional energy it takes reach out to you and tell you that you’ve done good can be very validating.

And yes…Danny “I hate exercise” Howell has inspired me to get off my duff and look into rejoining that gym with the good dance classes because he reminded me of how much more in tune with my body and emotions I was when I made it a regular habit. Thank you for that, Dan :love1:
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For some reason after this video it makes me even more happy that Dan started following Drew Monson a few years ago? I definitely relate to Drew’s videos even though we have different mental illnesses and I’m glad Dan felt the same way? Drew’s amazing gift to joke about his serious problems is really comforting honestly.
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I'm struggling to put into words what I feel about Dan's video. It was so brave. So honest. So well done. Just <3

It's on the front page of the BBC News:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/4 ... depression
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https://danielsoftsoul.tumblr.com/post/ ... one-once-i oh my gosh read the tags dan used phils phone when he was playing the "friend" im so <3 <3
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Just mirroring what everyone has already said, but that vid was so good <3 made me feel emotional and proud, and I related a lot to Dan's experiences. Im so happy he opened up, and felt brave enough to do so. Him talking about forcing yourself to do basic self-care was particularly inspiring as its something I struggle with daily.
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I'm coming out of my perpetual lurking to repeat what has already been said: this is the best DINOF video I have seen. It wasn't the funniest, or the most entertaining, but to hear someone I have so much respect for describe some of the awful things I have felt perfectly, and show that he can move beyond it, was amazing. For the first time in a while I feel motivated to help myself.

Goddamn this video made my year.
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That video was so good damn.
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It was so, so good. A 10 out of 10. I don't think I can form better words for my feelings, but yeah. I'm glad I have been proved wrong: everybody seem to love this video, with no hint of criticism. <3

Some questions to try and initiate a debate (sorry if anybody has already spoken about these topics):

1. What do you think it was the 'let go of heavy baggage'?

2. Do you reckon the final bit was just funny bloopers, or a subtle recognition to Phil for being there with him during Dan's healing process?
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dae wrote: Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:04 pm https://danielsoftsoul.tumblr.com/post/ ... one-once-i oh my gosh read the tags dan used phils phone when he was playing the "friend" im so <3 <3
Oh god this is just too pure, but it makes so much sense. <3 <3 <3
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Ticia wrote: Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:26 pm It was so, so good. A 10 out of 10. I don't think I can form better words for my feelings, but yeah. I'm glad I have been proved wrong: everybody seem to love this video, with no hint of criticism. <3

Some questions to try and initiate a debate (sorry if anybody has already spoken about these topics):

1. What do you think it was the 'let go of heavy baggage'?

2. Do you reckon the final bit was just funny bloopers, or a subtle recognition to Phil for being there with him during Dan's healing process?
1. Unless he chooses to elaborate, we don’t have all the facts of his life so it would be hard to tell. My thoughts went to his YouTube personality, and how much of a persona he was putting on back then, and how much more relaxed he has seemed lately. Feeling like he doesn’t have to be somebody else or put on an act may have been part of it. Like, I think we can all relate to going through an insecure phase where you wanted to be cool and accepted and you weren’t yourself. I imagine he had that throughout his life, from being bullied to becoming popular on YouTube. I also wonder how much family issues and sexuality/the way he interacts with Phil online were part of it as well. He and Phil certainly don’t censor as much as they used to.

2. I saw a tumblr post saying it was a way to show he was genuinely better, and I tend to agree with that. They lightened the mood without detracting from the message. But whether it was intentional or not, they definitely ensured that the audience would associate Phil with his recovery. (Which should be obvious, but it was sweet nonetheless).

Also, I liked the return of the vase glass. And does anyone know what picture they have of them in their kitchen? It looked familiar but I can’t place it.
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https://sweetlyphan.tumblr.com/post/166 ... ow-in-2013

I'm sorry I keep spamming, but that clip in the video where Dan leaves his phone at the apartment and disappears...
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anonymousdork wrote: Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:58 pm https://sweetlyphan.tumblr.com/post/166 ... ow-in-2013

I'm sorry I keep spamming, but that clip in the video where Dan leaves his phone at the apartment and disappears...
i use to think he simply forgot his phone but now im just so in pain
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Ticia wrote: Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:26 pm It was so, so good. A 10 out of 10. I don't think I can form better words for my feelings, but yeah. I'm glad I have been proved wrong: everybody seem to love this video, with no hint of criticism. <3

Some questions to try and initiate a debate (sorry if anybody has already spoken about these topics):

1. What do you think it was the 'let go of heavy baggage'?

2. Do you reckon the final bit was just funny bloopers, or a subtle recognition to Phil for being there with him during Dan's healing process?
1. It's hard to say not fully knowing all the aspects of his life but im sure it has to do with holding onto the school bullies and the negative environment around and realizing that it was the past and of course there would still be that negative impact on him but knowing that its okay to let go of it now? did that make sense idk

2. I think it was both him showing how he's gotten better and that phil was there (mostly the phil part) i mean he used phils phone which was hinting that phil helped him and supported him.
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Loafer wrote: Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:41 pm Also, I liked the return of the vase glass. And does anyone know what picture they have of them in their kitchen? It looked familiar but I can’t place it.
Didn't even notice that the first time! That is hilarious! He managed to be so genuinely funny despite the topic and how personal and delicate it is. I am still, after four viewings and a good nights rest completely overwhelmed by how fond I am of this man. Hope he's feeling nothing but good and proud after the fact -- the response is so huge on such a personal topic that it may be a bit overwhelming. I trust Phil to take good care of him but damn, its got to be a lot to take in. I think the picture is art from a Russian fan, saw it on tumble somewhere.
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