Dan & Phil Part 57: Pinky and the Brain

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1.) What common or everyday thing have you never done? (Break a bone, eat pizza, etc.)
Break a bone! And probably a whole lot of other stuff, but that's literally listed so I might just say that to be boring lol.

2.) If you could wake up and instantly be fluent in another language, which would you choose?
French, because I bought some French books I meant to read after learning French but that endeavour has been... abandoned, haha.

3.) How many chapters would it take to write your current autobiography?
Probably split it into 4 distinct parts. Maybe those parts could be further split into chapters, but yeah.

4.) If you could have a never-ending candle that smelled like anything, what scent would you pick?
Library smell. Book smell. I would burn that in my room all day!

5.) If you could instantly have one of your current responsibilities, chores, or to-dos finished with the snap of your fingers, which one would you pick?
Can I take an entire project? Because I'd cure all my mental health issues, ngl. Which is basically a to-do at this point. Or, if that doesn't count, finish my education? Idk. A smaller to-do would be to finish all my work for today.

6.) Do you prefer the apartment Dan and Phil currently live in or their old one?
I have no idea because we have no idea about the layout haha... Seems cool, but I'm still so confused about all the curves and stuff.

7.) Which PINOF video was your favorite? Or, if you prefer, which Baking Video was you favorite?
PINOF: 1, obviously. Baking: Pumpkin Spice Pumpkin Cookies. Wait, no, festive baking! If it counts. Because cute 2011 Phan.

8.) Which shirt (or outfit) of Dan and/or Phil is your favorite? (pics would be nice!)
I love Dan's black denim jacket, and Phil needs to wear more plaid.

9.) What's one video you'd love to see either Dan or Phil (or both) make? Besides maybe the obvious, please and thanks ;)
Life Is Strange Let's Play... I would sacrifice a digit for that at this point. Or maybe Truth Bombs with Tyler, but LIS is more important haha.
In a spoiler because the conversation has moved on now. Also, rizzo, that HC about Phil's fursona being a fox is 100% accepted by me.

Honestly, though, every time I see Dan, Phil, and Emma in the same space I automatically cringe. That's gotta be awkward.
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autumnhearth wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:02 pm Hmm. Maybe, maybe not. But I do love PJ’s nook.


I love the lighting and music is so surreal. Easily my fave video of his. If you’re looking for current fairly light plug shots they are at 3:05.
Ooh ty for the video, I looked for a more updated view of it and didn't have time to go through a lot of videos. The nook bed isn't huge so I think that with two bodies up there/two pillows or sets of pillows it would definitely come close enough to the plug that it could be brushing up against it enough to not fully unplug it but cause it to flicker the way he's describing.
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Thanks to everyone who's answered questions so far, I loved reading all the responses! :love2: It's only fair if I play along too... I'll put it under a spoiler though, just because the convo is moving along (which I was hoping it'd do!) :rainbowsparkle1:
1.) What common or everyday thing have you never done? (Break a bone, eat pizza, etc.)
I've never been able to roll my Rs for the life of me, and I can't use chopsticks (though countless people have tried to teach me how!)

2.) If you could wake up and instantly be fluent in another language, which would you choose?
I think Japanese, or maybe Italian- the two countries I most want to visit

3.) How many chapters would it take to write your current autobiography?
Exactly 7, because I feel like my life has had 6 major division points

4.) If you could have a never-ending candle that smelled like anything, what scent would you pick?
Rain scent, but I have yet to find a candle that does it justice.

5.) If you could instantly have one of your current responsibilities, chores, or to-dos finished with the snap of your fingers, which one would you pick?
I have school projects I've been procrastinating on forever, it needs to get done but here I am!!

6.) Do you prefer the apartment Dan and Phil currently live in or their old one?
The new one is nice, but it almost feels to sterile, like devoid of character. I much prefer the old one, it has a certain charm to it. (Although their current apartment is slowly but surely being decorated and gaining a certain allure, too!)

7.) Which PINOF video was your favorite? Or, if you prefer, which Baking Video was you favorite?
PINOF 1 and pumpkin spice cookies, but we'll see if the new PINOF and baking video surpass them!

8.) Which shirt (or outfit) of Dan and/or Phil is your favorite?
I love Phil in glasses, dark colors and button-ups; and I adore Dan in over-sized sweaters :lilheart: no outfit in particular, though

9.) What's one video you'd love to see either Dan or Phil (or both) make? Besides maybe the obvious, please and thanks
Is it hopeless to still want a DITL for 2017? Am I just waiting in vain?? Oh well
Call me behind, I know... but why do we hate Emma again? (It's hard to keep up on the hit-list IDB has lol)
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whelpkeeper wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:57 pm Call me behind, I know... but why do we hate Emma again? (It's hard to keep up on the hit-list IDB has lol)
Opinions about Emma on here run the gamut tbh. She has an extensive awkward history with dnp/the phandom. I recommend The Emma Blackery File to start, and there's a thread in the Other YTers section discussing recent happenings.
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dif wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:37 pm
dan's legs strike again
how is he comfortable??
I often sit like that and it's quite comfortable actually! He must be sitting in a chair or so.
Also, random comment, but they really need to cut Maya's claws (nails?). They're too long based on this pic. She's an adorable dog though, I do hope they take care of them, or that at least Marzia does, I think so little of Felix these days that I don't expect anything good from him anymore.
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whelpkeeper wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:57 pmCall me behind, I know... but why do we hate Emma again? (It's hard to keep up on the hit-list IDB has lol)
Like someone else said, she has long history with the phandom and has done not the best things. In my opinion, she's grown up a lot and people here are too harsh on her. Not that everyone has to like her, but people are way too quick judge and hate on her. But that's just my biased opinion.
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000dia000 wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2017 1:44 pm
dancy wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2017 1:28 pm Oh boy...
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I'm going to be honest, anybody who doesn't stan deppy probably just added them to the blacklist. I'm saying what they're doing is bad, but they're certainly toeing the line. If they don't have a large fanbase, or at least Dan saying "I'm going to talk to him" then this would probably be a much more controversial pic. They aren't in my bad books, nor am I saying they should be, but we do kind of give them a lot of slack, while a lot of people (even here) otherwise hate a lot of other youtubers in this pic, or youtubers who associate with pewdiepie-like people. I'm kind of interested how this will play out, in the next couple of days. In the future. One bad association doesn't equal the entirety of a person's character, but you know how things can be blown out of proportion.

Will, "they associate and support pewdiepie" be added to their list on one of those "your fav is problematic" tumblr pages?
I'm going to go ahead and say what they're doing is definitely bad. Dnp may not be racist themselves but with the platform and influence that they have, hanging out with a racist is endorsing him. It's brushing it under the rug - its "i agree racial slurs are bad but apparently not enough of a deal breaker to cut ties with a racist publicly". no one forced them to go to that party? they could have easily bailed out. but instead they chose this association and so any backlash they receive is well deserved tbh.

also about that weak ass line that he said in the liveshow- that wasn't a statement he made against felix, it wasn't strong, it wasn't bold. it was to protect his own ass and so a casual viewer would skim right past it, it's only us stans who pick apart every sentence he says and psychoanalyze him to justify that he isn't a low-key hypocrite. in the bigger picture, he comes off as felix's friend or the very least someone who thinks that his bigotry can be overlooked.

all his talk on representation and #blacklivesmatter but i guess he can't seem to put his money where his mouth is. lol this pic awkward and gross at best. dan what the fuck are you doing
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ijustwantdeath wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2017 5:19 pmall his talk on representation and #blacklivesmatter but i guess he can't seem to put his money where his mouth is.
What else is new? He preaches all day about issues he thinks are important, but when it comes down to actually doing something, suddenly he's radio silent.
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ijustwantdeath wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2017 5:19 pmalso about that weak ass line that he said in the liveshow- that wasn't a statement he made against felix, it wasn't strong, it wasn't bold. it was to protect his own ass and so a casual viewer would skim right past it, it's only us stans who pick apart every sentence he says and psychoanalyze him to justify that he isn't a low-key hypocrite. in the bigger picture, he comes off as felix's friend or the very least someone who thinks that his bigotry can be overlooked.
this. also, I honestly think the main reason he even thought of 'having a talk' with him is because of the adpocalypse. he liked this tweet not so long ago: so I assume their channels have somehow been suffering these days. probably got some videos demonetized or they worry that their views aren't that great. just shows that they (Dan in this particular situation) are usually only ready to act openly "woke" when it's convenient for them somehow. they said absolutely nothing about what Felix did in the beginning of the year apart from Dan calling him a "problematic dad" :roll: probably because they still were rolling in youtube £££ after gamingmas. idk. I truly hope they would do better than that, if there's any point in hoping. they're not bad people by any means, but it's still kind of sad.
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if you’re someone who thinks them hanging out with Felix is bad do you think dan or Phil is “worse”? dan supports stuff and says he’s an activist but I know some people think it’s just to get brownie points or act ‘woke’ bc he doesn’t follow through. On the other hand Phil goes to the same parties and interacts with the same people but doesn’t outwardly talk about anything controversial. Do y’all think dan’s slight hypocrisy makes it worse? or is it better because he still condones some things.

I feel like this has probably been brought up before but with the new photo and discussions I’m curious to see what people think.
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Hi guys, great spooky design :skeleton: :thumb: so, uhm, many great things have happened lately (Dan’s video :love2: ), but I didn't feel like posting. In the end, as always, I couldn't stay away from a controversial topic, so now I want to weigh in on the whole Felix situation (under spoiler, because controversial opinion, but don’t crucify me yet, I'm not planning of defending Felix, ok?) :?
I am generally a bit bothered by the “deppy MUST ditch Felix” discourse, but I wasn't sure how to present my argument against it and real life just offered a great example, so here you go.

Yesterday, I went to a friend’s birthday party. She’s not racist or homophobic or anything-else-phobic, I’m pretty sure of it, I met her during my Master’s on human rights, she knows I'm gay, she’s never ever (to my knowledge) said anything offensive to any minority, she was friends with another one of our classmates who was black AND gay AND Muslim, you know, and plenty of other reasons why she’s not a Bad Person. However, her boyfriend of three years, whom she’s planning on marrying, is islamophobic and talks about it a lot (mind you, he doesn't think he is, he just thinks Islam is incompatible with respecting human rights and dignity and somehow finds this way of thinking ok).

Now, some of our mutual friends stopped socialising with my friend and her boyfriend because they find his opinions wrong and talking to him about it uncomfortable. I didn't, although I, too, completely disagree with him and do not particularly enjoy discussing the issue with him. Why? Because I don’t think it’ll accomplish anything if I just cut him from my life, I’ll just lose my friend because it’s difficult to find occasions to meet as it is, we’re both pretty busy people. Instead, I prefer to visit them when it’s someone’s birthday or for the New Year and when he starts on his favourite topic, I calmly offer my counter-arguments to what he’s saying. I honestly think this is a much better way to make the world a better and safer place than just to cut people from your life (side note: it’s all great to say “find better friends” but when you live in a foreign country and sometimes work 24/7, it’s not so easy, I literally found myself completely alone for last year’s winter holidays and I couldn't leave the country to go back to my family, if it were not for this friend, I would spend the New Year’s Eve on youtube in my pjs with a bottle of vodka. Not that it in any way relates to deppy, but I just wanted to complain and Dan and Phil have their own reasons for why it can be difficult to find friends). Now, of course, nobody among us is famous or anything, like all these youtubers, but the guy I'm talking about works as a teacher in primary school, for instance, so he has a pretty big role in shaping young minds. Do I find it dangerous? Maybe, a little bit. But what’s the alternative? Are we talking about legally banning people from jobs or the society in general because of their opinions, however bad they are? I hope not. Then, people, of course, have every right, as a private citizen, not to engage with somebody they don’t like. Me, I choose to engage because otherwise nothing will change, people you cut from your life will just become bitter and will even maybe turn to worse things. I'm not saying this is exactly what Deppy are thinking, but treating them as complete garbage just because they continue to socialize with someone like Felix, when they made it very clear they disagree with him and don’t give him any promotion (not that he needs it, I’ll grant you that), seems to me as a somewhat immature reaction and one that doesn't really help with the bringing forward progress on social issues we all care about. (My friend, btw, clearly disagrees with her boyfriend, too, and although she doesn't really publicly go into debates with him, when he starts talking about Muslims, she’s always trying to subtly shut him down or make excuses, and we've talked with her about this issue being the only thing that bothers her in an otherwise perfect guy and how she hopes he’ll change because they’re talking about it in private.)

love&peace to everyone <3 (I'm not trying to be condescending, btw, I sincerely love everyone on this forum and hope y'all are having a great day)
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whelpkeeper wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:28 pm Wait, I totally forgot this so I'm sorry for double posting (carnal sin, I know) but I'm super sick and would love more posts from you guys, so here are some questions and maybe you'd like to answer them? just think about it :love2:

:rainbowsparkle1: Don't feel like you have to answer all of them, just as many as you'd like! :rainbowsparkle1:

1.) What common or everyday thing have you never done? (Break a bone, eat pizza, etc.)

2.) If you could wake up and instantly be fluent in another language, which would you choose?

3.) How many chapters would it take to write your current autobiography?

4.) If you could have a never-ending candle that smelled like anything, what scent would you pick?

5.) If you could instantly have one of your current responsibilities, chores, or to-dos finished with the snap of your fingers, which one would you pick?

... and some deppy specific ones, since that is the nature of this forum...

6.) Do you prefer the apartment Dan and Phil currently live in or their old one?

7.) Which PINOF video was your favorite? Or, if you prefer, which Baking Video was you favorite?

8.) Which shirt (or outfit) of Dan and/or Phil is your favorite? (pics would be nice!)

9.) What's one video you'd love to see either Dan or Phil (or both) make? Besides maybe the obvious, please and thanks ;)
i'm sick too! oh the joys :tu:

1) never done: broken a bone but im almost died about 5 times, either drowning or choking. (and not the sexual kind, the greedy ''mum i want 2 maltesers not 1!'' kind. i was a great child.)

2) fluent in another language: sign language. i know quite a bit already but i'd like to learn it all.

3) no one wants a 189 page book about me. strong pass

4) candle scent: palma violets. they're the best

5) instant responsibilities done: everything involving university :lol:

6) i prefer dan and phils old place because it was quirky and cute and felt more like a home.

7) don't care TOO much for the pinofs but I do watch them, don't have a fav, baking vid wise, probs monster pops ;)

8) anything they wear that is black is my favourite

9) a vid to see them make... i'd love to see more vlogs with them both in, even if they did christmas shopping online or something i'd watch the shit out of it

(hope u feel better soon, i'm fighting this cold but it's winning. this was cool tho!)

about felix: i don't really have an opinion/not educated enough to make a proper statement etc, i haven't been watching him for a while now, the things i've heard however (from here/other social media) sounds pretty terrible. as for dan and phil - if they've been invited to marzias(?) birthday, i'd imagine saying they wouldn't go/couldn't go may seem rude or something bc they've been friends for quite some time now right? perhaps they went more so for her? if they didn't go because of felix maybe there would of been some weirdness there, dan and phil don't seem like people who would want a sort of confrontational thing to happen. i don't know, i don't want to come across like i'm defending either, just looking from someone who isn't really in on what's been happening.
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onetruetrash wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2017 5:13 pm
whelpkeeper wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:57 pmCall me behind, I know... but why do we hate Emma again? (It's hard to keep up on the hit-list IDB has lol)
Like someone else said, she has long history with the phandom and has done not the best things. In my opinion, she's grown up a lot and people here are too harsh on her. Not that everyone has to like her, but people are way too quick judge and hate on her. But that's just my biased opinion.
Cheering on bullying someone, just because they didn't pay attention to her is worse than "not the best thing". I'm glad if she's grown up but getting involved in twitter drama all the time doesn't reflect that well to the outside.

Even though i was expecting to see a picture like the previous year, and I understand the rationale of keeping up social niceties i can't help being really disappointed in everyone that's in that picture.
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coffeepenguin wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:08 pm
I am generally a bit bothered by the “deppy MUST ditch Felix” discourse, but I wasn't sure how to present my argument against it and real life just offered a great example, so here you go.

Yesterday, I went to a friend’s birthday party. She’s not racist or homophobic or anything-else-phobic, I’m pretty sure of it, I met her during my Master’s on human rights, she knows I'm gay, she’s never ever (to my knowledge) said anything offensive to any minority, she was friends with another one of our classmates who was black AND gay AND Muslim, you know, and plenty of other reasons why she’s not a Bad Person. However, her boyfriend of three years, whom she’s planning on marrying, is islamophobic and talks about it a lot (mind you, he doesn't think he is, he just thinks Islam is incompatible with respecting human rights and dignity and somehow finds this way of thinking ok).

Now, some of our mutual friends stopped socialising with my friend and her boyfriend because they find his opinions wrong and talking to him about it uncomfortable. I didn't, although I, too, completely disagree with him and do not particularly enjoy discussing the issue with him. Why? Because I don’t think it’ll accomplish anything if I just cut him from my life, I’ll just lose my friend because it’s difficult to find occasions to meet as it is, we’re both pretty busy people. Instead, I prefer to visit them when it’s someone’s birthday or for the New Year and when he starts on his favourite topic, I calmly offer my counter-arguments to what he’s saying. I honestly think this is a much better way to make the world a better and safer place than just to cut people from your life (side note: it’s all great to say “find better friends” but when you live in a foreign country and sometimes work 24/7, it’s not so easy, I literally found myself completely alone for last year’s winter holidays and I couldn't leave the country to go back to my family, if it were not for this friend, I would spend the New Year’s Eve on youtube in my pjs with a bottle of vodka. Not that it in any way relates to deppy, but I just wanted to complain and Dan and Phil have their own reasons for why it can be difficult to find friends). Now, of course, nobody among us is famous or anything, like all these youtubers, but the guy I'm talking about works as a teacher in primary school, for instance, so he has a pretty big role in shaping young minds. Do I find it dangerous? Maybe, a little bit. But what’s the alternative? Are we talking about legally banning people from jobs or the society in general because of their opinions, however bad they are? I hope not. Then, people, of course, have every right, as a private citizen, not to engage with somebody they don’t like. Me, I choose to engage because otherwise nothing will change, people you cut from your life will just become bitter and will even maybe turn to worse things. I'm not saying this is exactly what Deppy are thinking, but treating them as complete garbage just because they continue to socialize with someone like Felix, when they made it very clear they disagree with him and don’t give him any promotion (not that he needs it, I’ll grant you that), seems to me as a somewhat immature reaction and one that doesn't really help with the bringing forward progress on social issues we all care about. (My friend, btw, clearly disagrees with her boyfriend, too, and although she doesn't really publicly go into debates with him, when he starts talking about Muslims, she’s always trying to subtly shut him down or make excuses, and we've talked with her about this issue being the only thing that bothers her in an otherwise perfect guy and how she hopes he’ll change because they’re talking about it in private.)

love&peace to everyone <3 (I'm not trying to be condescending, btw, I sincerely love everyone on this forum and hope y'all are having a great day)
Honestly, I came here to say the exact same thing coffeepenguin just did. So thank you for writing about it. :)

I have friends who are just as problematic and incredibly stupid as Felix is and I always do (and did) give them hell via messages and in person. But I won't stop being friends with them and won't publicly shame them either. Because what good can that bring? Alienating someone won't make them see that you're right. I might look a bit better for cutting ties with them but other than that, nothing would change. As long as I'm still friends with them, I have more chance at making them understand. I know I don't have millions of followers but I think friendships are the same. I'm not saying that Felix deserves it but maybe this is the case.?I personally don't think it's anything to do with ad revenue, like, at all.

Apart from that, hasn't silence always been dnp's choice in dealing with any and all drama? So why are we expecting them to do anything differently?
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susan2 wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2017 11:02 pm Sorry to post something random in the middle of another conversation, but I was just looking at "the power of Dan and Phil" on Louise's channel stats following their collab uploaded on the 18th....not surprising, but still pretty amazing!
(for reference she uploaded a collab with Jim Chapman on the 14th, and an outfit diary on the 11th)
...I wonder how Dan's chat is going tonight :bbb:
Ugh. On twitter Louise is currently making fun of her neighbours' pet escaping and dying, so let's see how long those new subbies last...
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about felix (and emma if you want):
I just think this whole discussion is a bit strange. Have you ever not went to a party just because ONE person there did something you disagree with? If I would think like that I could go nowhere :shrug:
I mean it's quite easy to not talk to somebody on a party when there are other people you're friends with. So I also don't think that it must be awkward for them to be in the same room as emma because they do not have to talk to her. They are all adults who can look over something that happened a pretty long time ago and just carry on.
It's also pretty difficult to cut somebody out of your life when they are part of a bigger friends group. The only way is to drop all friends which would be a pretty stupid thing to do just because one person does something bad or disrespectful.
But again like with everything else everybody has different opinions but I feel many people are a bit harsh and judge too easily.
So in short: I completely agree with coffeepenguin.
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Loved your post, coffeepenguin :thumb:

It's Marzia's birthday, guys! If my friend had a racist/homophobic/asshole boyfriend and he was present at her birthday party, I would still go. Dan and Phil did stop mentioning and calling him senpai at least. Saying what he said, Dan made clear that he doesn't condone Felix' behaviour but also won't call him out publicly (but when did Dan (or Phil) ever call anyone out anyway?). Sure, I'd prefer that but it's not like they're only doing nothing/the bare minimum this time around. They aren't the kind of public figures who use their voice like that, instead, they support charities and try to spread positivity (not saying that means we should ignore any problematic behaviour of theirs). They've decided to be like that and I don't think they'll ever be the kind of people who confront others. I don't think that makes either of them hypocrites. It's not perfect behaviour but I don't think it's bad either :shrug:
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goingbackto505 wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2017 5:55 pm
ijustwantdeath wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2017 5:19 pmalso about that weak ass line that he said in the liveshow- that wasn't a statement he made against felix, it wasn't strong, it wasn't bold. it was to protect his own ass and so a casual viewer would skim right past it, it's only us stans who pick apart every sentence he says and psychoanalyze him to justify that he isn't a low-key hypocrite. in the bigger picture, he comes off as felix's friend or the very least someone who thinks that his bigotry can be overlooked.
this. also, I honestly think the main reason he even thought of 'having a talk' with him is because of the adpocalypse. he liked this tweet not so long ago: so I assume their channels have somehow been suffering these days. probably got some videos demonetized or they worry that their views aren't that great. just shows that they (Dan in this particular situation) are usually only ready to act openly "woke" when it's convenient for them somehow. they said absolutely nothing about what Felix did in the beginning of the year apart from Dan calling him a "problematic dad" :roll: probably because they still were rolling in youtube £££ after gamingmas. idk. I truly hope they would do better than that, if there's any point in hoping. they're not bad people by any means, but it's still kind of sad.
I just wanna point out that the tweet in question has nothing to do with Felix??? That is about Casey Neistat's video being demonetized for talking about a charity for the Las Vegas shooting when Jimmy Kimmel was aloud ads for talking about almost the same thing. This had to do with YouTube themselves censoring their own creators talking about current events (and other topics too) but letting corporate giants have ads on their videos, which has been going on since literally mid 2016 when YouTube updated and started enforcing their ad policies even more.

Critiquing/criticizing Dan and Phil for hanging out with Felix is more than fine and reasonable/understandable. But saying that the only reason he wanted to have a talk was because of the adpocalypse, sorry I just gotta strongly disagree with what you're implying just based on that tweet dan liked. Felix may have made the adpocalypse even more enforced, yes. But YouTube is at fault for not moderating content that is actually offensive, that's what caused advertises to pull out and thus started all this, long before everything Felix did at the beginning of the year. YouTube is also at fault for failing to know what is informational and what is offensive. I get the software is learning and adapting still but the fact that videos like Felix made can be monetized but a video talking about raising awareness (and donating money) to a disaster can be demonetized is what's wrong with youtube's policy.
Tl dr: that tweet does not connect with this situation at all but you can call Dan and Phil for hanging out with someone like felix as it's a valid reason to.
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Hi!
Long time lurker emerging. Been stalking you all since GG days. Was afraid to post anything for ages, and don't think I really want to join in the current discussion :hmmm:
But
Probably now is not a good time to let you all know I ended up stood next to deppy at a crossroad earlier today and they are v cute when they are candid.
Also because I like to feed the idb pigeons, they only had phil's galaxy backpack between them :shrug:
(I kid because ofc there isn't much you'd need for an overnight stay lol. But figured after The Spain Suitcase, might as well)

Anyway sorry for the random post (confused excitement got to me) but hi.
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dif wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:57 pm hi! i come out of lurking to present you with a new deppy pic from the train station posted aprox 5 hours ago. i found it on a fansite that unfortunately hasn't provided the source :spy:
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I just look at this and see Dan peering round which makes it look like the fan only wanted Phil in the photo or Dan wasn't too keen to be in it at first. Also, I know this station and for them to use this way to Brighton is hilarious, it takes much longer than the usual way they go, probably worried they might encounter some fans on the way seeing as they openly said they were travelling there at the weekend.
whelpkeeper wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:28 pm
6.) Do you prefer the apartment Dan and Phil currently live in or their old one?
Honestly, the new one is nice but I prefer the old one. Not sure if it's because I started watching them whilst they were in that apartment so it felt "normal" or if I felt they were more relatable there. They were in a kinda modest sized home that had it's flaws, with rooms which were lived in and it felt more homely. Sounds silly but I really miss their living room with the table and it's different colour chairs and the cupboard in the back of Phil's liveshow. Now I just see them more as two rich ass youtubers, which I know sounds strange but I can't help it. The new flat doesn't seem as homely to me, and just seem so show homey, like it's so perfect and everything is so pristine, it just doesn't feel right to me.

7.) Which PINOF video was your favorite? Or, if you prefer, which Baking Video was you favorite?
My favourite baking video is Halloween Baking - PSPC just for this moment:
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8.) Which shirt (or outfit) of Dan and/or Phil is your favorite? (pics would be nice!)
Outfits:
Dan -



Phil - I mean this one is easy for me and isn't an outfit as such, but Phil in his glasses - every day please
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9.) What's one video you'd love to see either Dan or Phil (or both) make? Besides maybe the obvious, please and thanks ;)
Another day in the life? Is that too obvious?
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nephilimcat wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:01 pm Loved your post, coffeepenguin :thumb:

It's Marzia's birthday, guys! If my friend had a racist/homophobic/asshole boyfriend and he was present at her birthday party, I would still go. Dan and Phil did stop mentioning and calling him senpai at least. Saying what he said, Dan made clear that he doesn't condone Felix' behaviour but also won't call him out publicly (but when did Dan (or Phil) ever call anyone out anyway?). Sure, I'd prefer that but it's not like they're only doing nothing/the bare minimum this time around. They aren't the kind of public figures who use their voice like that, instead, they support charities and try to spread positivity (not saying that means we should ignore any problematic behaviour of theirs). They've decided to be like that and I don't think they'll ever be the kind of people who confront others. I don't think that makes either of them hypocrites. It's not perfect behaviour but I don't think it's bad either :shrug:
I agree completely. I have had friends whose behavior wasn't perfect, and I did point it out to them, but it's not like I instantly broke the friendship or publicly called them out.
Also, I feel like in this case we should view it as more than just friendship - in a very small way, they're working for the same company, and starting fights is not deppy's thing. Comparing it to work, I have SO many coworkers who say the dumbest shit all the time, who are offensive and annoying, but I don't pick fights with them. I make my own opinion known, and still function with them in my vicinity, because I have to.
Now, of course deppy aren't forced to go to Marzia's birthday party the way I am forced to put up with my coworkers, but the whole setting is kind of similar. It's not that easy to cut all ties with someone when they make mistakes. Maybe they genuinely like Marzia, or even Felix, in which case it wouldn't be so easy to just drop the friendship. I really don't think they gain a lot by hanging out with them, as their fanbases are quite different and Felix's fanboys won't want to watch D&P anyway.

This is a ramble, but to sum it up, I don't think D&P are bad people for hanging out with Felix, I also don't think it means they condone that behavior. They're all adults and probably a lot of things happen behind the scenes that we will never know about. However, if they started openly stanning pewds the way they (Dan?) did before (calling him senpai or dad) I would be disappointed. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is something that Emma does, support him on twitter etc. and I cannot approve of that.

Just as a last thing to add, I do not support Felix or his words/actions in any way at all and I've made it clear in his thread in the Other Youtubers section. I'm just not very quick to judge or hate someone for their choice of friends.
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Not to diminish anyone's examples, but there's kind of a scale difference here. "Said a racist thing and made the office environment uncomfortable" vs "Actively and knowingly used humor in a manner that encouraged the entire alt-right movement and influenced the financial landscape of the entire industry because they didn't know when to quit" are like... different scales. The more visibility you have, the more personal responsibility for your influence you should take. But that's a slightly different topic.

As far as Dan and Phil: I'm not surprised, I'm not unstanning, and I'm aware that it just makes them average people who prioritize personal enjoyment over political statements. They're doing what most wealthy personally secure white men (people) would do: nothing. I see no need to demonize that to any further level, I think just that is plenty bleak enough. They're not racist themselves as far as we know. They just had the chance to make a statement that would resonate, and chose to go to a party instead.

And at the heart of it, they can do that because looking the other way doesn't hurt them. It's probably disappointing for a lot of people just to have a concrete reminder that they're comfortable in their privilege and not the type of role models that I think most of fandom does definitely want them to be. But they are just people, and sometimes people make disappointing choices.
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confusedpanda wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:10 pm
goingbackto505 wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2017 5:55 pm
ijustwantdeath wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2017 5:19 pmalso about that weak ass line that he said in the liveshow- that wasn't a statement he made against felix, it wasn't strong, it wasn't bold. it was to protect his own ass and so a casual viewer would skim right past it, it's only us stans who pick apart every sentence he says and psychoanalyze him to justify that he isn't a low-key hypocrite. in the bigger picture, he comes off as felix's friend or the very least someone who thinks that his bigotry can be overlooked.
this. also, I honestly think the main reason he even thought of 'having a talk' with him is because of the adpocalypse. he liked this tweet not so long ago: so I assume their channels have somehow been suffering these days. probably got some videos demonetized or they worry that their views aren't that great. just shows that they (Dan in this particular situation) are usually only ready to act openly "woke" when it's convenient for them somehow. they said absolutely nothing about what Felix did in the beginning of the year apart from Dan calling him a "problematic dad" :roll: probably because they still were rolling in youtube £££ after gamingmas. idk. I truly hope they would do better than that, if there's any point in hoping. they're not bad people by any means, but it's still kind of sad.
I just wanna point out that the tweet in question has nothing to do with Felix??? That is about Casey Neistat's video being demonetized for talking about a charity for the Las Vegas shooting when Jimmy Kimmel was aloud ads for talking about almost the same thing. This had to do with YouTube themselves censoring their own creators talking about current events (and other topics too) but letting corporate giants have ads on their videos, which has been going on since literally mid 2016 when YouTube updated and started enforcing their ad policies even more.

Critiquing/criticizing Dan and Phil for hanging out with Felix is more than fine and reasonable/understandable. But saying that the only reason he wanted to have a talk was because of the adpocalypse, sorry I just gotta strongly disagree with what you're implying just based on that tweet dan liked. Felix may have made the adpocalypse even more enforced, yes. But YouTube is at fault for not moderating content that is actually offensive, that's what caused advertises to pull out and thus started all this, long before everything Felix did at the beginning of the year. YouTube is also at fault for failing to know what is informational and what is offensive. I get the software is learning and adapting still but the fact that videos like Felix made can be monetized but a video talking about raising awareness (and donating money) to a disaster can be demonetized is what's wrong with youtube's policy.
Tl dr: that tweet does not connect with this situation at all but you can call Dan and Phil for hanging out with someone like felix as it's a valid reason to.
I know the context behind that tweet, and I know that it did have to do with youtube staff being major hypocrites. it's just, I've never seen/hear Dan or Phil express any controversial opinions about youtube before and after seeing some very problematic youtubers jump on that topic and even saying some negative/not-so-supporting comments towards Felix after he said the n-word on stream previous to that (many of them even admitted that they couldn't care less about him saying the slur, in fact, they support it, but they all were scared for their own asses so much that only after they saw all the yellow demonetization signs near their videos they decided to say that they're "oh so disappointed in Felix" for "screwing up" during a livestream), I got the impression that, like I've already said, the main reason why they now appear to care is because it's started to affect their channels. I'm not saying that it's the only reason. but in this situation I have more respect for someone like Jacksepticeye who, despite the fact that he had to back down due to all the peer pressure from people like keemstar and Felix himself, wasn't afraid to say that what Felix did was bad and unacceptable.
in contrast, Dan and Phil said nothing then apart from making a few jokes out of the situation, but now Dan seems to want to talk to him. and right after every youtuber started to complain about their channels being blacklisted and their videos being demonetized left and right. that tweet wasn't the best example to back up my point of view, of course, but it's still just my opinion, and I realize that I might be wrong.
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Ablissa wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:18 pm
nephilimcat wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:01 pm Loved your post, coffeepenguin :thumb:

It's Marzia's birthday, guys! If my friend had a racist/homophobic/asshole boyfriend and he was present at her birthday party, I would still go. Dan and Phil did stop mentioning and calling him senpai at least. Saying what he said, Dan made clear that he doesn't condone Felix' behaviour but also won't call him out publicly (but when did Dan (or Phil) ever call anyone out anyway?). Sure, I'd prefer that but it's not like they're only doing nothing/the bare minimum this time around. They aren't the kind of public figures who use their voice like that, instead, they support charities and try to spread positivity (not saying that means we should ignore any problematic behaviour of theirs). They've decided to be like that and I don't think they'll ever be the kind of people who confront others. I don't think that makes either of them hypocrites. It's not perfect behaviour but I don't think it's bad either :shrug:
I agree completely. I have had friends whose behavior wasn't perfect, and I did point it out to them, but it's not like I instantly broke the friendship or publicly called them out.
Also, I feel like in this case we should view it as more than just friendship - in a very small way, they're working for the same company, and starting fights is not deppy's thing. Comparing it to work, I have SO many coworkers who say the dumbest shit all the time, who are offensive and annoying, but I don't pick fights with them. I make my own opinion known, and still function with them in my vicinity, because I have to.
Now, of course deppy aren't forced to go to Marzia's birthday party the way I am forced to put up with my coworkers, but the whole setting is kind of similar. It's not that easy to cut all ties with someone when they make mistakes. Maybe they genuinely like Marzia, or even Felix, in which case it wouldn't be so easy to just drop the friendship. I really don't think they gain a lot by hanging out with them, as their fanbases are quite different and Felix's fanboys won't want to watch D&P anyway.

This is a ramble, but to sum it up, I don't think D&P are bad people for hanging out with Felix, I also don't think it means they condone that behavior. They're all adults and probably a lot of things happen behind the scenes that we will never know about. However, if they started openly stanning pewds the way they (Dan?) did before (calling him senpai or dad) I would be disappointed. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is something that Emma does, support him on twitter etc. and I cannot approve of that.

Just as a last thing to add, I do not support Felix or his words/actions in any way at all and I've made it clear in his thread in the Other Youtubers section. I'm just not very quick to judge or hate someone for their choice of friends.
This, I agree with what's being said here. I won't add much more since last time that did not go over well for me personally (I don't particularly appreciate being told I need to find better friends.) But I'm glad I'm seeing more people around now who I agree more with.
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