Hello I finished Dan’s liveshow just recently (was late bc I was lazy and didn’t feel like watching it yesterday) but it was good! I liked the conversations and stuff he talked about, even if I did get a tiny bit bored sometimes. I look forward to whatever dinof video he makes next
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i loved this the most - calling ppl out for seeing him as someone he's v much not. it reminds me of the pastel thing, where folks insist on seeing him as this ~soft boye~ - of course he's a bit soft sometimes, and he's probably ridiculously opinionated about dumb little things (not constellations apparently), but that's not how he is most of the time. most of the time he's dark and sarcastic and far too busy to wax poetic about insignificant things like stars i love when he calls us (general phandom) out on our bsfancybum wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:24 am 15:17 (chat) Do you have a fave constellation?
15:29 “Who do you think has the time to have a favourite constellation? Oh my god, do you think I’m just some person from a John Green book that lies in a field with some terminally ill friend looking up at constellations and talking about how they remind me of philosophers or something? ‘Cause that ain’t me, I don’t know.”
Thank the lord someone else has finally said this. I was just saying yesterday to a deppy friend that I’m fairly close to signing off here and not coming back as I’m honestly so tired of the not even substantiated or reasoned bullying of Dan. It’s just people feeling crankypants from what I can see and it’s cruel. I don’t want to be part of it tbh.
I’m also a bit disappointed to see the mental health criticisms from yesterday weren’t modded at all. Js.
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thank god i'm not the only one who's noticed phil has mentioned his eyes a lot, lately. he's said the tears things before, not that long ago, it's odd, does he not remember? i wonder if he's struggling a little bit with not having fresh things to say (that he feels comfortable saying). it could also be that he's genuinely fixated on his eyes deteriorating and it worries him a bit. i recall them shutting down the spontaneous sharing a little on accounts like their twitter before the other two tour legs also; maybe they're reminded people other than fans are reading. although, both their likes and retweets have been pretty open the last few months, so it doesn't quite fit.
oh my gosh, bless you. this must have taken so long to type out!
the archivist in me thanks you because extensive quotes written down are so useful. and there were many juicy ones, it was a great liveshow.
on a personal note i'm proud of dan for continuing to be so honest and warm and continuing to present himself online, no matter how far apart those presentations in all their forms are spread. ditto phil. i'm just here for the ride. i think entitlement breeds dangerous expectations that raise our peers to pedestals made of air. things like concert tickets already purchased, however, are a different matter - constructive criticism and feedback when you're a stakeholder in something is par for the course. it's the objectivity to tell the difference between these two things, and uphold boundaries you would have with your coworkers, friends, and family that is the ongoing challenge. i believe these efforts should be demonstrated toward strangers, though that's a deeper philosophical discussion on empathy.
No reports were submitted through that function, and the moderating team didn't see any rules broken in regards to mocking mental health. It was mentioned in regards to Dan not desiring it to influence how people perceive him, which is permitted on the forum. People will always post opinions that we disagree with as readers, but IDB will not censor those opinions unless they break our forum rules. Members are encouraged to have respectful debate if they disagree with views put forward, that's what we're here for.
We always recommend people step back and take a break if the topic is such that they don't feel they can do that, though. I myself in the capacity of a user have to do that multiple times a day online, moderating role aside. I think if I didn't I would've gone completely insane many years ago, being as I suffer from mental health issues myself.
oh my gosh, bless you. this must have taken so long to type out!
the archivist in me thanks you because extensive quotes written down are so useful. and there were many juicy ones, it was a great liveshow.
on a personal note i'm proud of dan for continuing to be so honest and warm and continuing to present himself online, no matter how far apart those presentations in all their forms are spread. ditto phil. i'm just here for the ride. i think entitlement breeds dangerous expectations that raise our peers to pedestals made of air. things like concert tickets already purchased, however, are a different matter - constructive criticism and feedback when you're a stakeholder in something is par for the course. it's the objectivity to tell the difference between these two things, and uphold boundaries you would have with your coworkers, friends, and family that is the ongoing challenge. i believe these efforts should be demonstrated toward strangers, though that's a deeper philosophical discussion on empathy.
I'm saddened to read this.human wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 6:30 am
Thank the lord someone else has finally said this. I was just saying yesterday to a deppy friend that I’m fairly close to signing off here and not coming back as I’m honestly so tired of the not even substantiated or reasoned bullying of Dan. It’s just people feeling crankypants from what I can see and it’s cruel. I don’t want to be part of it tbh.
I’m also a bit disappointed to see the mental health criticisms from yesterday weren’t modded at all. Js.
No reports were submitted through that function, and the moderating team didn't see any rules broken in regards to mocking mental health. It was mentioned in regards to Dan not desiring it to influence how people perceive him, which is permitted on the forum. People will always post opinions that we disagree with as readers, but IDB will not censor those opinions unless they break our forum rules. Members are encouraged to have respectful debate if they disagree with views put forward, that's what we're here for.
We always recommend people step back and take a break if the topic is such that they don't feel they can do that, though. I myself in the capacity of a user have to do that multiple times a day online, moderating role aside. I think if I didn't I would've gone completely insane many years ago, being as I suffer from mental health issues myself.
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This bit in fancybum’s post made me
I missed how he put the bit about changing his tumblr theme, bless him.
Good point about sharing, mermaidblood, it makes total sense except, as you say, in some ways they have been more open. If that’s the reason for sharing less of certain things, in that realm they’re still happy with what they are sharing, I suppose, or they wouldn’t. Or it’s something else like they’re just busier. I hope Phil’s eye problems are easily-solvable such as eye drops (I’m guessing he’s been prescribed some, anyway).
Also this, especially the last line.
Phil with all the receipts and the leader of the Phil Lester defence squad by his side. That’s why the neon lights are red, to hide the blood-terrified. it’s a murder tour. they’re going to hunt down every single fan that has ever invaded their privacy in any way (and you know Phil has all the receipts) and murder them on stage while bantering. front row is the splash zone.
I missed how he put the bit about changing his tumblr theme, bless him.
Good point about sharing, mermaidblood, it makes total sense except, as you say, in some ways they have been more open. If that’s the reason for sharing less of certain things, in that realm they’re still happy with what they are sharing, I suppose, or they wouldn’t. Or it’s something else like they’re just busier. I hope Phil’s eye problems are easily-solvable such as eye drops (I’m guessing he’s been prescribed some, anyway).
Also this, especially the last line.
on a personal note i'm proud of dan for continuing to be so honest and warm and continuing to present himself online, no matter how far apart those presentations in all their forms are spread. ditto phil. i'm just here for the ride. i think entitlement breeds dangerous expectations that raise our peers to pedestals made of air. things like concert tickets already purchased, however, are a different matter - constructive criticism and feedback when you're a stakeholder in something is par for the course. it's the objectivity to tell the difference between these two things, and uphold boundaries you would have with your coworkers, friends, and family that is the ongoing challenge. i believe these efforts should be demonstrated toward strangers, though that's a deeper philosophical discussion on empathy.
I thought Dan's use of the word 'performer' was interesting, juxtaposed with the previous references to 'real Dan and Phil' during the tour. Mix that with his description of the set - "it's like something from the Hunger Games meets a game show" - and I think I'm beginning to get a feel for where this could possibly all be going.
Initially Dan's live show questions were giving me slight 'The Death of the Author' vibes....then that last question brought it crashing down to Puppets & Puppet-Masters, which honestly makes me want to immediately sell my tickets and run in the other direction. But anyway. I agree they're not stupid and know exactly what a truly open forum would (sadly) bring to their yard, so part of me feels I should just have faith but it's reassuring to hear I'm not alone in the TATINOF flashbacks and concerns. (I'm just thankful I'm not going to the first show so can gauge reaction first).
(I'm still sceptical) but if it is legitimately a largely different show every night (aside from the framework) with some sort of interactive input beforehand, that'll surely be totally exhausting. For them to be "on" all the time, and also make it funny every time. I agree with whoever said earlier that I hope they're not adding too many additional shows, their schedule is already pretty relentless, when you factor in + 6 x tbc dates (probs) + all the travel + additional dates + don't forget that online content lads
yeah, Dan calling us losers was truly just the beginning.
This was the surprise of the liveshow for me - I really didn't expect him to like that movie. Especially given (no spoilers) the way it dealt with certain topics. I wish he'd expanded on why he liked it so much, I'm intrigued. (personally I hated it, sadly as the concept had such huge potential, the unexpected direction of the narrative could have been cool, Frances McDormand good...but everything else nope nope nopety nope.).
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I thought the criticism came from someone with a very different personality, experience, outlook or something, from Dan as I see this attitude here and there online towards other people. I was going to write more at the time, but it took me ages to get anything coherent that didn’t overshare and wasn’t repeating what had been said. People feel their feelings and express themselves differently, I guess, but there are some who seem to me to be very hard and judging of others with little empathy or attempt to understand why eg when theirs affect work, how they conduct themselves. The Apprentice tv show being an extreme version too.human wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 6:30 am
Thank the lord someone else has finally said this. I was just saying yesterday to a deppy friend that I’m fairly close to signing off here and not coming back as I’m honestly so tired of the not even substantiated or reasoned bullying of Dan. It’s just people feeling crankypants from what I can see and it’s cruel. I don’t want to be part of it tbh.
Maybe it's just me but I don’t really see any active bullying of Dan or Phil happening. Sure, people are being judgemental and critical and sometimes even harsh but it's not like anyone here is sending them premium messages or @'ing them calling them horrible things (as far as I'm aware of). I absolutely don’t agree with everything being said on here but forums are meant for discussions and expressing opinions. Most of what's being said on this forum is kept here, just like no one is is going to bring up the fact that we think D&P have two apartments to them.
Idk I suppose I'd define all of this more as talking behind someone's back, which could be seen as mean. Obviously there are boundaries, though personally I think this forum would be really boring if everyone just kept going on and on about what great people D&P are and what wonderful content they make and kept all of their negative comments and anything which in reality is none of our business for themselves. Feel free to disagree!
Idk I suppose I'd define all of this more as talking behind someone's back, which could be seen as mean. Obviously there are boundaries, though personally I think this forum would be really boring if everyone just kept going on and on about what great people D&P are and what wonderful content they make and kept all of their negative comments and anything which in reality is none of our business for themselves. Feel free to disagree!
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totally. it's a whole other kettle of fish from tatinof, it sounds. there's predictability, if possible stagnation, in a scripted show. i absolutely commend them for wanting to attempt something different and more daring though, i really hope it goes down well. it could get abstract and bizarre, which i'm into. gimme the puppet master surrealism.susan2 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:34 am (I'm still sceptical) but if it is legitimately a largely different show every night (aside from the framework) with some sort of interactive input beforehand, that'll surely be totally exhausting. For them to be "on" all the time, and also make it funny every time. I agree with whoever said earlier that I hope they're not adding too many additional shows, their schedule is already pretty relentless, when you factor in + 6 x tbc dates (probs) + all the travel + additional dates + don't forget that online content lads
yes! "handstands by the beach", in relation to being happy and ignoring the hypothetical jealous haters in that one question. i was like, wut. but also, dan has said he finds quiet walks in nature peaceful more than once and misses that opportunity in london, so i can see him being drawn to an empty beach and the ocean and his mind going there for an escapist haven scenario.alittledizzy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:48 am The Hawaii mention was also interesting to me, in private conversation @mermaid blood pointed out that Dan mentioned the beach in relation to happiness in the last gaming video. Wonder if that's on the maybe list for their pre-tour holiday? (Which I'm just assuming they'll take. Though, knowing them, it might just end up being Florida with the Lesters again.)
dancy, me too, i also see it as talking behind their back, but somewhere they can see it, and only if they want to. that's why forums are my favourite medium/platform of discussion online. there's inherent ease with criticising someone you don't know, so i like to temper that with exercising considerations i would also apply to friends. pretty difficult balance to strike all of the time, i still struggle. it's a nice thing to aim for, though.
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Potentially dark and circus-like. A choose your own adventure turned nightmare scenario. I'd be into that.mermaid blood wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:32 amtotally. it's a whole other kettle of fish from tatinof, it sounds. there's predictability, if possible stagnation, in a scripted show. i absolutely commend them for wanting to attempt something different and more daring though, i really hope it goes down well. it could get abstract and bizarre, which i'm into. gimme the puppet master surrealism.susan2 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:34 am (I'm still sceptical) but if it is legitimately a largely different show every night (aside from the framework) with some sort of interactive input beforehand, that'll surely be totally exhausting. For them to be "on" all the time, and also make it funny every time. I agree with whoever said earlier that I hope they're not adding too many additional shows, their schedule is already pretty relentless, when you factor in + 6 x tbc dates (probs) + all the travel + additional dates + don't forget that online content lads
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I just agree with this a lot!mermaid blood wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 8:57 am on a personal note i'm proud of dan for continuing to be so honest and warm and continuing to present himself online, no matter how far apart those presentations in all their forms are spread. ditto phil. i'm just here for the ride. i think entitlement breeds dangerous expectations that raise our peers to pedestals made of air. things like concert tickets already purchased, however, are a different matter - constructive criticism and feedback when you're a stakeholder in something is par for the course. it's the objectivity to tell the difference between these two things, and uphold boundaries you would have with your coworkers, friends, and family that is the ongoing challenge. i believe these efforts should be demonstrated toward strangers, though that's a deeper philosophical discussion on empathy.
with views put forward, that's what we're here for.
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so this is totally, completely off topic, but I rewatched the second and third Horse Prince videos and I.....kind of really liked them??? When they came out I was pretty indifferent, but I guess distance makes the heart grow fonder or something
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Bless you fancybum for those mentions and quotes! Murder tour omg Seriously though, I’m intimidated.
When I was driving yesterday I decided to give the new Muse single a listen and I agree with the Imagine Dragons vibe in those group vocals. I was also amused that Dan said he just wanted Matt Bellamy to sing to him about love, not politics (unless I misinterpreted that and he was speaking as other fans who didn’t appreciate Drone, may have to give that a rewatch.)
snokopalsmic I also really like those two episodes of Horse Prince, Phil is just so into it, it’s hilarious. (Plus it’s just really pretty?) They rushed the ending though, which I understand their reasoning, but it made it unenjoyable. Like the one episode I loved of Dream Daddy was the date with Damien because they just slowed down and focused on that. Speed talking only carries a certain amount of humor, after awhile it’s annoying.
When I was driving yesterday I decided to give the new Muse single a listen and I agree with the Imagine Dragons vibe in those group vocals. I was also amused that Dan said he just wanted Matt Bellamy to sing to him about love, not politics (unless I misinterpreted that and he was speaking as other fans who didn’t appreciate Drone, may have to give that a rewatch.)
snokopalsmic I also really like those two episodes of Horse Prince, Phil is just so into it, it’s hilarious. (Plus it’s just really pretty?) They rushed the ending though, which I understand their reasoning, but it made it unenjoyable. Like the one episode I loved of Dream Daddy was the date with Damien because they just slowed down and focused on that. Speed talking only carries a certain amount of humor, after awhile it’s annoying.
In mindless consumerism news (my fav):
Pastel plushies (right? that's still happening? with curly Dan hair? yes?) are on the horizon
Hopefully the shop's concept of "shortly" is better than D&P's.
Hopefully the shop's concept of "shortly" is better than D&P's.
Thanks and have a great day! Oil me
Haven't caught up with this thread but my thoughts on the liveshow:
As a big Hamilton fan, I just wasn't very happy with how Dan talked about not understanding why people would listen to a soundtrack before watching the show in real life. I'm not sure if he realises that a huge proportion of the world actually doesn't live in London or New York or Chicago and might never ever get to see the show live. In fact, although the show may tour many places on "world tours", there are still countries it just will not visit. So I find it incredibly irritating that he would be so judgey about people listening to the soundtrack before watching the show - just because he has the privilege of a. living in London and b. having the money to get to the theatre, doesn't mean everyone else does.
And on another note, him saying he preferred Book of Mormon is sort of expected for him, I guess, knowing his taste in that sort of satirical, dry and sometimes offensive humour, but I also wish he gave Hamilton the credit it deserved by acknowledging how innovative it is for a musical. Personally I never thought it was "cheesy" - it's definitely the first time I heard someone calling Hamilton "cheesy" so that's a surprise to me - not sure if anyone else felt that way.
Separately, I understand that they can't confirm the TBC dates of the tour yet, but I wish they would just communicate with their audience and keep people updated. Same thing if they can't do a liveshow etc. - they should just say it! If you said TBC dates should be out by end Jan, then why wait till almost the end of Feb to give an update on the situation? I don't think it's fair to their fans who are waiting to buy tickets etc. Yes the shows might be in the later half of the year but people have to plan things in advance too, especially if it involves travelling. Also the lack of information on the show in general is sort of off putting? Besides "neon lighting" which doesn't sound very appealing personally, they can't really say much apart from the fact that it's very audience directed and changes from show to show, which again makes it seem like it's so loose it could be anything.
Hope I don't sound too negative! Anyhow, I have enjoyed their recent gaming videos and their schedule video-wise this year hasn't been too bad (yet) so yay on that front
As a big Hamilton fan, I just wasn't very happy with how Dan talked about not understanding why people would listen to a soundtrack before watching the show in real life. I'm not sure if he realises that a huge proportion of the world actually doesn't live in London or New York or Chicago and might never ever get to see the show live. In fact, although the show may tour many places on "world tours", there are still countries it just will not visit. So I find it incredibly irritating that he would be so judgey about people listening to the soundtrack before watching the show - just because he has the privilege of a. living in London and b. having the money to get to the theatre, doesn't mean everyone else does.
And on another note, him saying he preferred Book of Mormon is sort of expected for him, I guess, knowing his taste in that sort of satirical, dry and sometimes offensive humour, but I also wish he gave Hamilton the credit it deserved by acknowledging how innovative it is for a musical. Personally I never thought it was "cheesy" - it's definitely the first time I heard someone calling Hamilton "cheesy" so that's a surprise to me - not sure if anyone else felt that way.
Separately, I understand that they can't confirm the TBC dates of the tour yet, but I wish they would just communicate with their audience and keep people updated. Same thing if they can't do a liveshow etc. - they should just say it! If you said TBC dates should be out by end Jan, then why wait till almost the end of Feb to give an update on the situation? I don't think it's fair to their fans who are waiting to buy tickets etc. Yes the shows might be in the later half of the year but people have to plan things in advance too, especially if it involves travelling. Also the lack of information on the show in general is sort of off putting? Besides "neon lighting" which doesn't sound very appealing personally, they can't really say much apart from the fact that it's very audience directed and changes from show to show, which again makes it seem like it's so loose it could be anything.
Hope I don't sound too negative! Anyhow, I have enjoyed their recent gaming videos and their schedule video-wise this year hasn't been too bad (yet) so yay on that front
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Psss. I miss them. Can we have a DAPG video today, please?
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This is such interesting perspective. As I watched his liveshow I was actually impressed he was telling us so much about the show - I remember people being 100% in the dark about TATINOF right up until the first performance. All we really got was the tagline about how it was the story of Dan and Phil, right? Those were early fandom days for me, so maybe other people did have more insight and I just wasn't looking in the right spots. But I hadn't expected him to volunteer what the stage design looked like or to talk about their goal for the show or to mention a game show like setup or to say that it would be audience directed. Considering they're probably only now finalizing the decisions, getting that and a stage description months before the show starts feels like setting a good precedent for us not being completely in the dark.flurry wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:00 pmAlso the lack of information on the show in general is sort of off putting? Besides "neon lighting" which doesn't sound very appealing personally, they can't really say much apart from the fact that it's very audience directed and changes from show to show, which again makes it seem like it's so loose it could be anything.
Hope I don't sound too negative! Anyhow, I have enjoyed their recent gaming videos and their schedule video-wise this year hasn't been too bad (yet) so yay on that front
We'll see, though; this is not me blindly defending them, just pointing out that I had no expectations of them to tell us anything since they're vehemently anti-spoiler (blah) so they've already exceeded what I thought they'd share.
I agree - I don’t really see any bullying rather I think that Dan is someone that built his youtube career on “reasons he is a fail” and meme videos- both topics actively encourage his audience to mock him. He obviously doesn’t encourage malicious comments but even in his 2016 memes videos when fans thought they went to far (dans tears) he told them he was just joking - again making it okay for people to joke.dancy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:09 am Maybe it's just me but I don’t really see any active bullying of Dan or Phil happening. Sure, people are being judgemental and critical and sometimes even harsh but it's not like anyone here is sending them premium messages or @'ing them calling them horrible things (as far as I'm aware of). I absolutely don’t agree with everything being said on here but forums are meant for discussions and expressing opinions.
Phil otoh- if people want to criticize him for not stating opinions I think he’s okay with that. Those criticisms are born out of frustration but they can’t be atttibuted to the kind of person he is. We can say a lot about how phil only talks about positive things but we can’t say that he has awful opinions or that his opinions/he is problematic if he never lets us in.
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I have to agree. I didn't think they would really tell us anything besides how much the audience would be involved before hand, so it's been strange and surprising to see them talk about it so openly. Also regarding pre-tatinof times, as someone who frequented multiple aspects of the phandom on various platforms (though mostly tumblr) during it, we literally got nothing until people started talking about it after the first show, and people were really analysing everything they did after the announcement to an extreme. I distinctly remember wondering how and what they could be doing on stage (which I spent a lot of time thinking about since I did not shut up about it to an irl friend who loves deps), as I was sure they wouldn't be acting or singing, but I was clearly very wrong about that in the end lolalittledizzy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:28 pmThis is such interesting perspective. As I watched his liveshow I was actually impressed he was telling us so much about the show - I remember people being 100% in the dark about TATINOF right up until the first performance. All we really got was the tagline about how it was the story of Dan and Phil, right? Those were early fandom days for me, so maybe other people did have more insight and I just wasn't looking in the right spots. But I hadn't expected him to volunteer what the stage design looked like or to talk about their goal for the show or to mention a game show like setup or to say that it would be audience directed. Considering they're probably only now finalizing the decisions, getting that and a stage description months before the show starts feels like setting a good precedent for us not being completely in the dark.flurry wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:00 pmAlso the lack of information on the show in general is sort of off putting? Besides "neon lighting" which doesn't sound very appealing personally, they can't really say much apart from the fact that it's very audience directed and changes from show to show, which again makes it seem like it's so loose it could be anything.
Hope I don't sound too negative! Anyhow, I have enjoyed their recent gaming videos and their schedule video-wise this year hasn't been too bad (yet) so yay on that front
We'll see, though; this is not me blindly defending them, just pointing out that I had no expectations of them to tell us anything since they're vehemently anti-spoiler (blah) so they've already exceeded what I thought they'd share.
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Dan is the most gemini person I've ever known omg (i'm joking i know he is more complex etc but i mean he's pretty close)... couple that with his tendency to overshare and you got a very polarizing person. Either love him or hate him, that's the way I see it. So I completely understand the harsh criticism towards him and as long as no one is saying it to his face, this is the space to do it I guess.
Someone else said that Phil's persona personality is more palatable and I agree 100%. Yes he is slowly opening up but he is far from a polarizing person, so criticism comes way less towards him in comparison.
Not much else to say, I'm not half as eloquent as some of you guys who just leave me floored with your way with words, seriously.
Someone else said that Phil's persona personality is more palatable and I agree 100%. Yes he is slowly opening up but he is far from a polarizing person, so criticism comes way less towards him in comparison.
Not much else to say, I'm not half as eloquent as some of you guys who just leave me floored with your way with words, seriously.
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Yes, can't agree more with this. Despite personal experience usually making a bad argument, Dan is like many gemini people I've met. The way Dan speaks and acts tends to provoke a response in most people. A blessing and a curse for his choice of profession and personality I guess, but way better than indifference/boredom. Think his quality to make even a casual viewer pay attention, annoy/attract is one of the key factors why he got popular on youtube in the first place (after Phil promotion, being smart with social media, relatable topics etc.).yellowsubmarine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:51 pm Dan is the most gemini person I've ever known omg (i'm joking i know he is more complex etc but i mean he's pretty close)... couple that with his tendency to overshare and you got a very polarizing person. Either love him or hate him, that's the way I see it. So I completely understand the harsh criticism towards him and as long as no one is saying it to his face, this is the space to do it I guess.
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As a Hamilton fan but also someone who, like Dan, abhors spoilers, I can understand his point of view. From his perspective, it's best to go into any show (tv, movie, theatre) knowing nothing (like Jon Snow). So he can't understand why people would want to, from his perspective, "spoil themselves" by listening to the cast recording ahead of time. He probably doesn't realize how his anti-spoiler "why would you listen beforehand?" attitude comes across. Because, even though I know what he meant, his comments did remind me of the way people call out fans who watch theatre bootlegs by saying things like, "Don't be cheap, just go see the show." I hate it when people in the theatre community do that that because it completely ignores the fact that most people live nowhere near NYC and even many of those who do live in the area can't afford a broadway ticket.flurry wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:00 pm
As a big Hamilton fan, I just wasn't very happy with how Dan talked about not understanding why people would listen to a soundtrack before watching the show in real life. I'm not sure if he realises that a huge proportion of the world actually doesn't live in London or New York or Chicago and might never ever get to see the show live. In fact, although the show may tour many places on "world tours", there are still countries it just will not visit. So I find it incredibly irritating that he would be so judgey about people listening to the soundtrack before watching the show - just because he has the privilege of a. living in London and b. having the money to get to the theatre, doesn't mean everyone else does.
And on another note, him saying he preferred Book of Mormon is sort of expected for him, I guess, knowing his taste in that sort of satirical, dry and sometimes offensive humour, but I also wish he gave Hamilton the credit it deserved by acknowledging how innovative it is for a musical. Personally I never thought it was "cheesy" - it's definitely the first time I heard someone calling Hamilton "cheesy" so that's a surprise to me - not sure if anyone else felt that way.
On a lighter note, I wasn't thrilled with his pick of best song. Because the correct answer is Wait for It, I will accept no other.
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I may have misinterpreted what he said but I think Dan was only judging those impatient people like myself who are actually going to see the show but have chosen to familiarise themselves with the story and soundtrack in advance.flurry wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:00 pm Haven't caught up with this thread but my thoughts on the liveshow:
As a big Hamilton fan, I just wasn't very happy with how Dan talked about not understanding why people would listen to a soundtrack before watching the show in real life. I'm not sure if he realises that a huge proportion of the world actually doesn't live in London or New York or Chicago and might never ever get to see the show live. In fact, although the show may tour many places on "world tours", there are still countries it just will not visit. So I find it incredibly irritating that he would be so judgey about people listening to the soundtrack before watching the show - just because he has the privilege of a. living in London and b. having the money to get to the theatre, doesn't mean everyone else does.
Gaming video tonight please fellas!! Been a little while since the last one and they are my favourite content at the moment.
As a Gemini, only a 2 days difference with Dan, I feel extremely called out. Especially because it's fucking true :mrgreen: The amount of people that have called me immature or snarky or just a know-it-all because of how I express my opinions, I feel ya Dan.vincentian wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:49 pmYes, can't agree more with this. Despite personal experience usually making a bad argument, Dan is like many gemini people I've met. The way Dan speaks and acts tends to provoke a response in most people. A blessing and a curse for his choice of profession and personality I guess, but way better than indifference/boredom. Think his quality to make even a casual viewer pay attention, annoy/attract is one of the key factors why he got popular on youtube in the first place (after Phil promotion, being smart with social media, relatable topics etc.).yellowsubmarine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:51 pm Dan is the most gemini person I've ever known omg (i'm joking i know he is more complex etc but i mean he's pretty close)... couple that with his tendency to overshare and you got a very polarizing person. Either love him or hate him, that's the way I see it. So I completely understand the harsh criticism towards him and as long as no one is saying it to his face, this is the space to do it I guess.
Re Hamilton, i've said it before but I understand where he's coming from. I didn't listen to the soundtrack beforehand, even before I knew I was going to see it, because I need to have the visuals to appreciate it. It's not just an album, it's a musical, the acting and scene is so intertwined with the music that I can't do it. Which is why, unless I could find bootlegs, I haven't listened to soundtracks of other shows. That's just personal preference, and I can't tell you how many people have insisted I wouldn't appreciate the story as much as this. I stand by my choice of not listening to the soundtrack before watching it, I loved it.
Please boys, please. Gaming video. I'm begging.
Will probably never be over the BONCAS and the beauty of Phil Lester.
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