LurkingTrash wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:11 pm
Stakhanov wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:33 pm
The tbc dates might be one of those things they wish they didn't make any strong statements about. I imagine it's very hard to organize a show in those countries. There's all the legal and other regulations that come with working somewhere, being an employer to the people who travel/work with them, selling merchandise, finding and contracting with a venue...
Then i think there's the fact that the risk is just much bigger. When you're talking about Brazil, you're talking about half a continent. I don't doubt that they have enough fans in the entire Brazil to fill a venue, but do they have enough that live close enough to where they will perform and who are able to get there, both logistically and when it comes to the disposable income that (parents of) fans are willing to spend on Dan and Phil?
There's a lot of puzzle pieces and i'm not surprised it's taking longer than expected to make all of those fit.
You got that right, at this point I've tried to understand their reasoning behind these decisions: I don't think they will do more than one or two shows in the tbc countries, and those won't probably sold out despite them having more than enough fans in these places because tickets will be expensive-r to cover all their extra expenses and extra work and not many people can travel long distances to see a show in short notice (I get they might be having a hard time but they really should have released those in december).
They do seem to be having lots of trouble with this and I wonder if even it's worth it? I doubt they will be able to have much profit from one or two shows that probably won't sold out that they have to travel so much and do so many things to make it happen, I get that the idea of doing a real
world tour is tempting and I know they might want to include the fans that support them from all over but it all ends up looking like more trouble than it's worth in my head?
Anyway, I wish they'd release the tbc dates soon because I'd like to know prices and if I have any real chance of seeing it but I do hope they go for smaller venues and do more shows to cover more ground than focusing it on one or two major cities that not many people can travel long distances to.
I say all of this especially looking at Brazil for it being so big and it's where I have real life experience to comment on.
We're forever bound to speculate on their motives but I read them having trouble with this is a positive signal - in the sense that I think it demonstrates that they are actually trying to make something happen rather than paying lip service to the idea and then just stepping back from it the moment things get difficult.
i had been thinking about the financial aspect too and i think the economics of all this further lends credit to the idea that they mostly are trying to do this because they care about giving the fans in those countries a chance to see them - I think they realize any non-English speaking countries and especially non-western countries get the short end of the stick, for all kinds of reasons.
That said, I don't think their motives are
exclusively altruistic and I think they will only go to places if they think they can turn a profit - or at least not risk breaking the bank to much. The cost structures of these tours I imagine are quite high and totally flopping at one location might end up wiping out who knows how many otherwise profitable days of touring. It's also very plausable they don't call the shots alone. Their previous tour was sponsored, the same is likely true for this one. Be it visible sponsorship or just funding by way of capital investments by parties that we wouldn't even know about. If the past is any yardstick I think they are limiting their own financial risk as much as possible.
Deciding where to play probably involves many stakeholders and they might not be at a position where they can just make the call by themselves to tour a week or twon together with all their staff and the whole 'traveling circus' of decor, IRL merchandise company etc. in locations that don't make any sense from a business perspective. If they aren't at all motivated by profit (and I think they are to at least a reasonable degree) then certainly their partnering investors are.
For all those reasons i'm inclined to believe that focusing on one or two major cities instead of touring smaller venues is also much more likely. Never mind that it would also be personally more challenging and lengthen the tour substantially if they would do many small venues instead of fewer large ones.
I do think it's all worth it though, even if in the end they only can tour at one location, they are reaching fans who otherwise would have had no shot of seeing them. But it must sting if they are going to your country (like Brasil) but it's literally thousands of km away from you or you just can't afford blowing so much money on two youtubers, who are already doing just fine financially
I believe that in his next candle haul Phil well be reviewing the "papier maché" money candle, with plenty of earthy aroma's and a hint of crisp dollar bills. Dan will after this tour no doubt be upgrading to a new Deluxe potato sack, signed by Kanye himself and sold for only the price of an average family car. A steal! :mrgreen:
sigh i could use a livestream it's been to long.
Though each to their own.
I hope he does as promises, doesn't just touch on all the expected and cliché topics and just tells us a bit of what's going on in his life.
