I don’t think he specified how many he had got through. He was describing how he didn’t think he would cry in the second or the third, but he just kept on going and cried each time. I posted that I had only watched three, about to watch the fourth! Good to know he made the best friend thing upLtrllySusan wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 4:54 pm (Somewhat off topic)
I had a lazy day and been watching Queer Eye. Didn't Dan say he's only 3 episodes in? Cause oh boy, he's in for something watching the fourth one then. It's about a closeted gay guy who wants to be more open and come out to his step mom. Me right now ->
(Somewhat on topic)
I am also hoping for a new gaming video today. Has it been that long since the last Sims already?
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i think Dan's new main channel vid is gonna be an important topic by the way he talked about a new vid in his ls.... i forget exactly what he said, but just by his tone i kinda got the vibe.
(lol watch it be something about an embarrassing moment, i may have just jinxed it)
i think im gonna start watching queereye today... idk if I'll cry bc it takes a lot for that to happen.
(lol watch it be something about an embarrassing moment, i may have just jinxed it)
i think im gonna start watching queereye today... idk if I'll cry bc it takes a lot for that to happen.
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Seems like a lot of YouTubers are gong to the Brits today (Evan, Luke Cutforth, Louise, Helen Anderson and a few more). Do you guys think there is any chance of deppy showing up? I wouldn't mind seeing some nice suits!
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He said something about it being a normal "Dan" video, right? Which I remember wanting to laugh at because I think in Dan's mind he does 'normal Dan' videos way more often than he actually in reality does. In 2017 on dinof we had: two ISG videos, two collabs, one quiz video, one dna results video, one tour spon video, the name change video... and then the videos that imo he'd deem as dinof videos: memes, piano teacher, bahamas, memeing of life, uni video, and depression video. Though, in retrospect, maybe he counts ISG as normal Dan videos too. Which helps his case a bit, but still means it was almost an even split between videos Dan considers representative of him/his channel, and videos that were filler, spon, or collabs.ratlad wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:52 pm i think Dan's new main channel vid is gonna be an important topic by the way he talked about a new vid in his ls.... i forget exactly what he said, but just by his tone i kinda got the vibe.
(lol watch it be something about an embarrassing moment, i may have just jinxed it)
i think im gonna start watching queereye today... idk if I'll cry bc it takes a lot for that to happen.
To be clear, I don't have anything against him doing filler videos (which I'd consider the DNA and Buzzfeed ones) or collabs, I just think it's funny that Dan has this idea in his mind of his channel as being something that the past 2-3 years have not actually reflected it being.
It might depend on how Dan wants to celebrate his recently confirmed obsession with award shows :mrgreen: Live in fashionable suits or at home with snacks in hand. I predict a victory for the celebration at a distance, but I hope to be wrong.
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Didn’t he also say that he had two video ideas and would go with whichever one was more ready? I wouldn’t get yourself psyched up ratlad. Looking forward to whatever he makes regardlessalittledizzy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:03 pmHe said something about it being a normal "Dan" video, right? Which I remember wanting to laugh at because I think in Dan's mind he does 'normal Dan' videos way more often than he actually in reality does. In 2017 on dinof we had: two ISG videos, two collabs, one quiz video, one dna results video, one tour spon video, the name change video... and then the videos that imo he'd deem as dinof videos: memes, piano teacher, bahamas, memeing of life, uni video, and depression video. Though, in retrospect, maybe he counts ISG as normal Dan videos too. Which helps his case a bit, but still means it was almost an even split between videos Dan considers representative of him/his channel, and videos that were filler, spon, or collabs.ratlad wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:52 pm i think Dan's new main channel vid is gonna be an important topic by the way he talked about a new vid in his ls.... i forget exactly what he said, but just by his tone i kinda got the vibe.
(lol watch it be something about an embarrassing moment, i may have just jinxed it)
i think im gonna start watching queereye today... idk if I'll cry bc it takes a lot for that to happen.
To be clear, I don't have anything against him doing filler videos (which I'd consider the DNA and Buzzfeed ones) or collabs, I just think it's funny that Dan has this idea in his mind of his channel as being something that the past 2-3 years have not actually reflected it being.
The conversation moved on but i just want to say, I think quite few times Dan showed he is self-aware (after the memeing of life he talked about sounding "fake-deep" in a liveshow), and that self-awareness is a trait of maturity, imo.
Youtube is a highly visual industry with a very young audience that focuses a lot on image, being concerned with aestetics and image doesn't mean he's shallow in reality.
There's hardly any youtubers who don't tailor their behavior or opinions to stay appealing to their young demographic, and that can make them seem immature. But unlike other youtubers Dan and Phil are pretty humble and self-aware and don't boast or think they are more than entertainers.
The persona(s) Dan (and Phil) put forward can be annoying and over the top at times but they are entertaining their audience and that's probably all that matters in their job.
I think compared to a lot of people, Dan is quite mature in general, though some criticisms are valid.
I don't know if this is just how I interpret things, but I sense a self-awareness when Dan talks about "deeper" things. He has said multiple times that he doesn't like to take himself too seriously, but at the same time likes to talk about serious topics. It's something which I find myself doing a lot so I sort of understand the contradictory nature of it. I often have two mental streams going at the same time, in a way- one very serious and one more light-hearted. It's part of what I find interesting about him, personally.
I don't know if this is just how I interpret things, but I sense a self-awareness when Dan talks about "deeper" things. He has said multiple times that he doesn't like to take himself too seriously, but at the same time likes to talk about serious topics. It's something which I find myself doing a lot so I sort of understand the contradictory nature of it. I often have two mental streams going at the same time, in a way- one very serious and one more light-hearted. It's part of what I find interesting about him, personally.
Just a thing about Hamilton. I went in without listening to the music and I had a great time. All I had seen were clips of what was on TV shows.
When London was announced it was about the time of the soundtrack. Hamilton had been a phenomenon for so long that it didn't seem a big deal to wait one more year to watch the show or listen to the music.
I'm also very much about the combination of story, visuals and song. I don't think I personally would have got the full impact if I knew what was coming from the soundtrack.
Also for the first half of the first song all I could notice was that it was a different voice to the soundtrack which was really distracting. I'm with Dan on this one. Not to mention they actually did tweak the show slightly for the UK audience.
I also think he was joking with people about it.
When London was announced it was about the time of the soundtrack. Hamilton had been a phenomenon for so long that it didn't seem a big deal to wait one more year to watch the show or listen to the music.
I'm also very much about the combination of story, visuals and song. I don't think I personally would have got the full impact if I knew what was coming from the soundtrack.
Also for the first half of the first song all I could notice was that it was a different voice to the soundtrack which was really distracting. I'm with Dan on this one. Not to mention they actually did tweak the show slightly for the UK audience.
I also think he was joking with people about it.
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Yea honeybee i get the same feeling about the mental streams, and how he seems to be self-aware that him trying to talk about "deeper" things is both something he's drawn to but also not something he wants to pursue to seriously.
So it's doubly a missed opportunity that he very rarely, if ever, shows the back of his tongue on issues. Not the goal of the lives hows i guess, nor something that most people might appreciate ... but i kind of would hope that he was less "mature" in this sense. I wish he would throw caution into the wind and just talk for the smaller group of people that would just like to know more of the real him, good and bad.
It's really regrettable that the channels he uses as an online entertainer don't really lend themselves well to conversing more authentically. What questions and remarks is he going to read on younow or on twitter or youtube? He's only got seconds to read it all. Rarely will people put the effort into typing something that's more than a talking point or a quick show of affection. You kind of know the odds that he'll read it let alone talk about it are really small, so are you going to waste alll that energy on writing things that will just get drowned out? Also many people kind of comment on tweet to him with their own audience in mind, rather than really trying to communicate to him. On top of that, all the technical restrictions/steering (only 280 char, popular comments being made more visible ) by the platforms themselves help kill off questions that would force him to act outside his role.
So it's doubly a missed opportunity that he very rarely, if ever, shows the back of his tongue on issues. Not the goal of the lives hows i guess, nor something that most people might appreciate ... but i kind of would hope that he was less "mature" in this sense. I wish he would throw caution into the wind and just talk for the smaller group of people that would just like to know more of the real him, good and bad.
It's really regrettable that the channels he uses as an online entertainer don't really lend themselves well to conversing more authentically. What questions and remarks is he going to read on younow or on twitter or youtube? He's only got seconds to read it all. Rarely will people put the effort into typing something that's more than a talking point or a quick show of affection. You kind of know the odds that he'll read it let alone talk about it are really small, so are you going to waste alll that energy on writing things that will just get drowned out? Also many people kind of comment on tweet to him with their own audience in mind, rather than really trying to communicate to him. On top of that, all the technical restrictions/steering (only 280 char, popular comments being made more visible ) by the platforms themselves help kill off questions that would force him to act outside his role.
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Loved Dan's live show! I don't particularly care for him talking about music and TV shows and whatnot but I was happy to see his face I was kinda surprised to hear that he hasn't started working on a DINOF video yet but I don't mind. I suppose he'll upload one next week or maybe at the end of this week. I'm hoping for a gaming video but Dan hasn't really given us any hints and I think it's too early for the Sims.
He also said that they're gonna add more dates to the American leg of the tour and I don't understand why and don't think it's a wise decision. They're already doing 33 shows in America over the course of only 43 days. He mentioned Philadelphia (when they're already doing two shows in Pennsylvania) and St. Augustine (which would make it the fourth show in Florida). I get that American states are big and all that but all of the these shows are selling kinda average (except for Reading, PA, which is sold out), so why add even more shows there? I think it would be more appreciated if they added shows to states where there aren't any yet, though I understand that would be difficult as there aren't always venues available, they only have a limited amount of time and it would add to travel costs. Still, I think them adding those dates in PA and FL is unnecessary and won't be worth the added time, effort or money
He also said that they're gonna add more dates to the American leg of the tour and I don't understand why and don't think it's a wise decision. They're already doing 33 shows in America over the course of only 43 days. He mentioned Philadelphia (when they're already doing two shows in Pennsylvania) and St. Augustine (which would make it the fourth show in Florida). I get that American states are big and all that but all of the these shows are selling kinda average (except for Reading, PA, which is sold out), so why add even more shows there? I think it would be more appreciated if they added shows to states where there aren't any yet, though I understand that would be difficult as there aren't always venues available, they only have a limited amount of time and it would add to travel costs. Still, I think them adding those dates in PA and FL is unnecessary and won't be worth the added time, effort or money
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I don't think I would know how to process a doctor telling me I don't cry enough lol, but hey, that sounds like a wholesome evening.
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I havnt been get notifications for any of phils tweets for the past week. I don’t know what is going on because I’m getting everyone else’s. Also..... does this mean no video tonight and it will be tomorrow Instead of phil liveshow.obsessivelymoody wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:04 pm I don't think I would know how to process a doctor telling me I don't cry enough lol, but hey, that sounds like a wholesome evening.
(Old news, Phil. Old news.)obsessivelymoody wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:04 pm I don't think I would know how to process a doctor telling me I don't cry enough lol, but hey, that sounds like a wholesome evening.
When I got the notif for this, it cut off at "watching..." and as I opened the tweet, I was thinking Please say Queer Eye, please say Queer Eye, please say Queer Eye....
Talk about a fall from high expectations. Sigh.
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I feel like he's been going to(or, at least, talking about) the optician quite often lately, is it just me?obsessivelymoody wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:04 pm I don't think I would know how to process a doctor telling me I don't cry enough lol, but hey, that sounds like a wholesome evening.
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He's been having issues with his contact lens not working as well so I'm guessing that's mainly why, and I also have a strange feeling he's looking into laser eye surgery, but he's always said he's worried he'd be apart of the 4% who it doesn't work on but idksnokoplasmic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:13 pmI feel like he's been going to(or, at least, talking about) the optician quite often lately, is it just me?obsessivelymoody wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:04 pm I don't think I would know how to process a doctor telling me I don't cry enough lol, but hey, that sounds like a wholesome evening.
I think this is his third mention of it this year. I hope it’s because he is being typical phil and just recycling tweets/topics but he did say his eyes have been giving him problems so maybe he’s been having a hard time latelysnokoplasmic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:13 pmI feel like he's been going to(or, at least, talking about) the optician quite often lately, is it just me?obsessivelymoody wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:04 pm I don't think I would know how to process a doctor telling me I don't cry enough lol, but hey, that sounds like a wholesome evening.
I also imagine he’s trying to get it sorted before the tour - dealing with eye stuff while abroad is a pain for sureAmiaw wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:20 pmI think this is his third mention of it this year. I hope it’s because he is being typical phil and just recycling tweets/topics but he did say his eyes have been giving him problems so maybe he’s been having a hard time latelysnokoplasmic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:13 pmI feel like he's been going to(or, at least, talking about) the optician quite often lately, is it just me?obsessivelymoody wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:04 pm I don't think I would know how to process a doctor telling me I don't cry enough lol, but hey, that sounds like a wholesome evening.
ooh, when he said "normal" main channel vid i thought he was saying basically all his vids are to him, considered "normal". i have a blurry memory, but I'll be happy with whatever he gives us. he is very self-critical, far too much! he needs to know that we love and support him no matter the content, it doesn't have to be past his perfectionist standards. at that point he probably just ends up beating himself up.autumnhearth wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:28 pmDidn’t he also say that he had two video ideas and would go with whichever one was more ready? I wouldn’t get yourself psyched up ratlad. Looking forward to whatever he makes regardlessalittledizzy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:03 pmHe said something about it being a normal "Dan" video, right? Which I remember wanting to laugh at because I think in Dan's mind he does 'normal Dan' videos way more often than he actually in reality does. In 2017 on dinof we had: two ISG videos, two collabs, one quiz video, one dna results video, one tour spon video, the name change video... and then the videos that imo he'd deem as dinof videos: memes, piano teacher, bahamas, memeing of life, uni video, and depression video. Though, in retrospect, maybe he counts ISG as normal Dan videos too. Which helps his case a bit, but still means it was almost an even split between videos Dan considers representative of him/his channel, and videos that were filler, spon, or collabs.ratlad wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:52 pm i think Dan's new main channel vid is gonna be an important topic by the way he talked about a new vid in his ls.... i forget exactly what he said, but just by his tone i kinda got the vibe.
(lol watch it be something about an embarrassing moment, i may have just jinxed it)
i think im gonna start watching queereye today... idk if I'll cry bc it takes a lot for that to happen.
To be clear, I don't have anything against him doing filler videos (which I'd consider the DNA and Buzzfeed ones) or collabs, I just think it's funny that Dan has this idea in his mind of his channel as being something that the past 2-3 years have not actually reflected it being.
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Sorry I'm late on this. Def not directing this at anyone specifically or trying to restart any arguments, but the conversation around Dan's flaws has me thinking...
I wonder why it is that so much of this type of criticism in the phandom is directed at Dan and almost none towards Phil? I feel like the harshest criticism Phil gets is that he's too persona-heavy and closed off, but Dan gets dinged for any little wayward comment he makes in a ls. I feel like obviously part of it is because Dan is much more open about his opinions than Phil, but it still seems almost like people are looking specifically for flaws of Dan's to point out, some things just seem so vague and/or ignignificant. Idk.
For example, we all joke about Phil being Capita£ester, but what if it were Dan that was always pushing the #spon? With the way people come at him for much less, i have a feeling it would be less of an endearing joke and more of a "he's just using us for money" or something along those lines.
And I'm not saying AT ALL that i think people should be more critical of Phil, just less towards Dan, ya know?
I wonder why it is that so much of this type of criticism in the phandom is directed at Dan and almost none towards Phil? I feel like the harshest criticism Phil gets is that he's too persona-heavy and closed off, but Dan gets dinged for any little wayward comment he makes in a ls. I feel like obviously part of it is because Dan is much more open about his opinions than Phil, but it still seems almost like people are looking specifically for flaws of Dan's to point out, some things just seem so vague and/or ignignificant. Idk.
For example, we all joke about Phil being Capita£ester, but what if it were Dan that was always pushing the #spon? With the way people come at him for much less, i have a feeling it would be less of an endearing joke and more of a "he's just using us for money" or something along those lines.
And I'm not saying AT ALL that i think people should be more critical of Phil, just less towards Dan, ya know?
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I really do believe that if Phil openly addressed the same issues in the same manner as Dan, people would probably be a bit more critical of Phil too. For me personally Dan can come off as condescending at times (certainly not all the time), and I’m more likely to feel like criticizing anyone who comes across that way. Or on the other hand, Phil’s delivery is often vague/non confrontational enough that it’s negligible. I think for some people Phil could essentially say the exact same thing as Dan, but the delivery might be different.KatjaZoe wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:04 pm Sorry I'm late on this. Def not directing this at anyone specifically or trying to restart any arguments, but the conversation around Dan's flaws has me thinking...
I wonder why it is that so much of this type of criticism in the phandom is directed at Dan and almost none towards Phil? I feel like the harshest criticism Phil gets is that he's too persona-heavy and closed off, but Dan gets dinged for any little wayward comment he makes in a ls. I feel like obviously part of it is because Dan is much more open about his opinions than Phil, but it still seems almost like people are looking specifically for flaws of Dan's to point out, some things just seem so vague and/or ignignificant. Idk.
For example, we all joke about Phil being Capita£ester, but what if it were Dan that was always pushing the #spon? With the way people come at him for much less, i have a feeling it would be less of an endearing joke and more of a "he's just using us for money" or something along those lines.
And I'm not saying AT ALL that i think people should be more critical of Phil, just less towards Dan, ya know?
I do however, see a lot of people - and especially more lately - criticizing Phil for not addressing certain things/not being as open. From what I can see they’re both getting criticized.
@KatjaZoe Yes sometimes I've got the impression different scales are used for both of them. There's always been a small group that views Dan as an "intruder" i guess, or a bad influence on Phil. But idk if that's driving it.
In general I just think it's what you've said he's more open about his opinions and opinions invite criticism. Dan gets under people's skin more. In a good way if you like him, or by annoying you if your personality clashes. I personally feel you kind of have to split hairs to find a lot wrong with him but that won't stop the people who like to be very critical of him. A lot of people i think misread his often ironic or sarcastic take on things as a "negative attitude", reading things into his words and behavior that I think are just not what he intends. Communication failures happen all the time, you see them everywhere if you just look at your daily life. In a virtual environment I think it's even easier to have that happen. And how you judge someone's attitude will always be subjective. What may be condescending to one person isn't to another. What may come across as a rather flat and persona heavy attitude might be charming and delightful to someone else so... basically i feel it's just all of us projecting our own expectations on how and what people should say on them? When i feel the critcism is really unfair, I like to respond because i like to equalize the scales some.
By contrast what would you even criticize Phil on? He like dogs, pancakes and houseplants. He's got a friendly attitude (which is just his genuine personality) and is more measured and in what he says in general. I keep finding it hard to believe that he's really that one-sidedly positive and i have this sneaky suspicion Phil and Dan in private are much more alike when it comes to some of the flaws that often get ascribed to Dan. To an extent, Phil can hide behind Dan's shoulders on some issues that draw criticism. Arguably the reverse is true about Dan when he can surf on the positive feelings people have for Phil.
I think Phil mostly just makes different tactical choices when it comes to his attitudes towards his audience and i can respect that. No doubt some of it is also a reflection of how they differ as people. Personally this makes me feel more drawn to Dan simply because he shares more and there's little else than the person, of flesh and blood, to relate within a virtual relationship between youtuber-audience. I feel he is more of a 'real' person in that you don't only see his qualities but also some of his vices. I both think they are kind and funny people though, and it seems odd to me to really like one of them and dislike the other. At least they seem to like each other a lot
In general I just think it's what you've said he's more open about his opinions and opinions invite criticism. Dan gets under people's skin more. In a good way if you like him, or by annoying you if your personality clashes. I personally feel you kind of have to split hairs to find a lot wrong with him but that won't stop the people who like to be very critical of him. A lot of people i think misread his often ironic or sarcastic take on things as a "negative attitude", reading things into his words and behavior that I think are just not what he intends. Communication failures happen all the time, you see them everywhere if you just look at your daily life. In a virtual environment I think it's even easier to have that happen. And how you judge someone's attitude will always be subjective. What may be condescending to one person isn't to another. What may come across as a rather flat and persona heavy attitude might be charming and delightful to someone else so... basically i feel it's just all of us projecting our own expectations on how and what people should say on them? When i feel the critcism is really unfair, I like to respond because i like to equalize the scales some.
By contrast what would you even criticize Phil on? He like dogs, pancakes and houseplants. He's got a friendly attitude (which is just his genuine personality) and is more measured and in what he says in general. I keep finding it hard to believe that he's really that one-sidedly positive and i have this sneaky suspicion Phil and Dan in private are much more alike when it comes to some of the flaws that often get ascribed to Dan. To an extent, Phil can hide behind Dan's shoulders on some issues that draw criticism. Arguably the reverse is true about Dan when he can surf on the positive feelings people have for Phil.
I think Phil mostly just makes different tactical choices when it comes to his attitudes towards his audience and i can respect that. No doubt some of it is also a reflection of how they differ as people. Personally this makes me feel more drawn to Dan simply because he shares more and there's little else than the person, of flesh and blood, to relate within a virtual relationship between youtuber-audience. I feel he is more of a 'real' person in that you don't only see his qualities but also some of his vices. I both think they are kind and funny people though, and it seems odd to me to really like one of them and dislike the other. At least they seem to like each other a lot
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I definitely don't think it's true "almost none" of the phandoms criticism is saved for Phil.
I find he usually he gets criticism whenever Dan's getting praise. For example he got quite a bit of critical feedback recently because he is not publicly championing a cause and Dan has started doing events for cyberbullying and mental health awareness. And whenever Dan gives an opinion that fans approve of it's always only a matter of time before people start on how Phil should be giving these opinions as well.
It is true Phil doesn't give the fans a lot to go on by never really sharing any opinion that could be remotely controversial but he doesn't even have to do anything to get criticized because whatever Dan does people will always compare it to what Phil is not doing.
I find he usually he gets criticism whenever Dan's getting praise. For example he got quite a bit of critical feedback recently because he is not publicly championing a cause and Dan has started doing events for cyberbullying and mental health awareness. And whenever Dan gives an opinion that fans approve of it's always only a matter of time before people start on how Phil should be giving these opinions as well.
It is true Phil doesn't give the fans a lot to go on by never really sharing any opinion that could be remotely controversial but he doesn't even have to do anything to get criticized because whatever Dan does people will always compare it to what Phil is not doing.
Sums up my feelings exactly. The thing with Dan is, you can't have someone with a snarky/edgy/sarcastic personality and not ruffle some feathers sometimes. That's the sort of trade-off. There's been times where I've been genuinely annoyed at things Dan's said. (It actually happens pretty often, which is why his liveshows are probably my least favorite of all deppy content.) Same goes for Phil, sure, but it's much less frequent. And I don't think it has any deeper meaning besides the fact that Phil is just more... palatable? personality-wise for me. That's definitely not the right word but I can't think of anything else. I also see a fair share of Phil criticism, so idk. My "view" of the phandom is limited to here and the relatively small number of people I follow, though.scientia wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:39 pm I really do believe that if Phil openly addressed the same issues in the same manner as Dan, people would probably be a bit more critical of Phil too. For me personally Dan can come off as condescending at times (certainly not all the time), and I’m more likely to feel like criticizing anyone who comes across that way. Or on the other hand, Phil’s delivery is often vague/non confrontational enough that it’s negligible. I think for some people Phil could essentially say the exact same thing as Dan, but the delivery might be different.
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Phinal Tally: said ‘Phil’ 21 times
21/58.5 mins = 0.35 per min
my new fave spot for having an existential crisis (Feb 20, 2018)
Prompted Phil Mention
21/58.5 mins = 0.35 per min
He also said 'get involved beforehand ' so I think it'll just be like collecting prompts (for.. whatever.. they're doing) or suggestions(?) before the show, and filtering out the more terrible things we all know they'd get because people are, on the whole, garbage monsters who can't be trusted.malday wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:44 am Talking about the tour he said:
@20:22 "We're gonna have this skeleton of this show that asks big questions about 'who are Dan and Phil? who are their audience? what's their relationship? what does it mean to give the people what they want, what is the relationship between a performer and their audience? what would happen if you just gave people total control'."
He keeps using that phrase and while i'm sure they would't really give the audience complete control, i can't help wondering how far they are willing to take this and how they will set boundaries because we can all imagine how it will go if the phandom is given free rein.
Yeah, they're too control-freakish to not be .. in control lmao. Or to keep the element of surprise, without anything offensive or line-crossing, their tour crew/staff will filter the fan-submitted stuff for them before the shows, so everything is still a surprise, just not a horrible one. Because the alternative.. I mean.. they're not that stupid.. right..?coffeepenguin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:59 am I really hope that's just his usual way of over-hyping things and it's not the central theme of the show. Or if it is, they'll handle it well.
(ง'̀-'́)งcoffeepenguin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:59 amI mean, I believe in them and stuff, but TATINOF was already somewhat about that and I will forever judge them for the fanfiction section whatever their intention was.
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