Hi sorry I'm speaking with broken English as I'm not native, so maybe my intentions weren't as clear as I would've liked them. I'm not really saying he was angry or anything, just that maybe he thought he needed to clarify to the people saying "uhh inner thigh caressing", and in correcting them, he showed a bit of a different mood than what I've seen him having when he has talked of tiit before. Sorry for any confusion, hope this makes my original post clearer. I never thought they'd actually do something sexual/romantic like that, especially not on a stage in their show lmao. I will say though, many of his 'laughing moments' in this liveshow seemed a bit forced, but as he said, he's apparently very good at smiling in situations where he may be feeling sad or uncomfortable, idk of that was the case in this liveshow though.ratlad wrote: ↑Wed Apr 04, 2018 11:55 pmhe didn't sound contradictory or angry at that at all, what situation would they ever need to do thigh caressing in front of housands of mostly underaged fans? i think he was just laughing rather than anger. i don't think he cares about holding most feelings back at this point.firsttimeposter wrote: ↑Wed Apr 04, 2018 11:45 pm A small thing I realized in the liveshow was some question about the CAH video, where I think a person asked in what way "being electrocuted and inner thigh caressing" has smth to do with the show, and dan looks angry into the computer and says something like "yeah, the getting electrocuted part!!", as to get "inner thigh caressing (something romantic/sexual about dnp) completely off the table. Hmmm. Judging by the things he has already said about the tour (giving the people what they want,/ living our truth on stage,/ tiit is about our relationship,/ etc), he is being quite contradicting suddenly. Or maybe it's me reading into the smallest, most insignificant moment of the liveshow. You know, I'm always very negative.
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To change topics slightly, in the live show he talked about getting a visa that would allow him to stay in the US for 3 years. For someone knowledgeable about this, why would he need to do that for this tour and not TATINOF? If he could have gotten the same type of visa for TATINOF I wonder why he didn't since he goes to the US regularly and it seems a hassle to have to get a temporary work visa whenever he comes for conventions and possible Florida trips.
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If anyone's interested, looking at the email Dan got reminded me of a very similar comment I got on some Dan and Phil sims I made a few months ago, so for me the email seems believable
Does this mean they could potentially move to US for few years? I don't have any visa knowledge.Amiaw wrote: ↑Thu Apr 05, 2018 12:13 am To change topics slightly, in the live show he talked about getting a visa that would allow him to stay in the US for 3 years. For someone knowledgeable about this, why would he need to do that for this tour and not TATINOF? If he could have gotten the same type of visa for TATINOF I wonder why he didn't since he goes to the US regularly and it seems a hassle to have to get a temporary work visa whenever he comes for conventions and possible Florida trips.
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You're just trying to live your tooth!obsessivelymoody wrote: ↑Wed Apr 04, 2018 11:37 pm I think my mood is definitely being influenced by a tooth issue I've been having (which probably means I shouldn't be super opinionated online? idk) so
I loved this part too and no matter what you think their relationship is it can definitely include Phil. I loved how gentle that part of the ls was.
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I kind of assumed they went for longer visas this time to avoid the issues he's had having to apply to them individually before events.George wrote: ↑Thu Apr 05, 2018 12:22 amDoes this mean they could potentially move to US for few years? I don't have any visa knowledge.Amiaw wrote: ↑Thu Apr 05, 2018 12:13 am To change topics slightly, in the live show he talked about getting a visa that would allow him to stay in the US for 3 years. For someone knowledgeable about this, why would he need to do that for this tour and not TATINOF? If he could have gotten the same type of visa for TATINOF I wonder why he didn't since he goes to the US regularly and it seems a hassle to have to get a temporary work visa whenever he comes for conventions and possible Florida trips.
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Helloooo it's been a while since I posted (..... even if I have only posted like 3 times.....because I'm super shy but.... I'm ALWAYS lurking....)
I just came here to cry over the fact that he unlisted Dan the Dinosaur because it was the video that finally convinced me to subscribe Like, I know I can still watch it but it just made me feel a bit sad hahahaha
Anyway, I still fully understand and support him. (while now having to do a a few more clicks to re watch certain videos)
Also, I'm a bit down because the tour is coming soon and since they are not coming to my country or somewhere cheap enough for me to travel to I'll just be here seeing the pictures and craving to be there. (But that is not relevant, just needed to say it somewhere)
and no one asked, but his comment "I'm high functioning many things" just had a deep echo in my heart and just #same
I just came here to cry over the fact that he unlisted Dan the Dinosaur because it was the video that finally convinced me to subscribe Like, I know I can still watch it but it just made me feel a bit sad hahahaha
Anyway, I still fully understand and support him. (while now having to do a a few more clicks to re watch certain videos)
Also, I'm a bit down because the tour is coming soon and since they are not coming to my country or somewhere cheap enough for me to travel to I'll just be here seeing the pictures and craving to be there. (But that is not relevant, just needed to say it somewhere)
and no one asked, but his comment "I'm high functioning many things" just had a deep echo in my heart and just #same
Random bit from Dan's livestream: It is apparently relevant background information worth interrupting his story for to know that, when Dan had norovirus and woke up in the morning, Phil was up north visiting his parents.
Dan was sick and Phil wasn't there. Hard life, man.
I just think that's cute. Like, I know people have quite different reactions and needs when sick, and I'm one of those who just wants to be left alone, but I'm guessing Dan isn't at all.
Dan was sick and Phil wasn't there. Hard life, man.
I just think that's cute. Like, I know people have quite different reactions and needs when sick, and I'm one of those who just wants to be left alone, but I'm guessing Dan isn't at all.
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So now that the unlisting and privations is sorted I did want to say that I thought Dan was really lovely in this ls. He started off by saying how doing liveshows fulfilled a social need of his and I felt like he was very honest about this a similar aspects of his personality like how being introverted affects his productivity and was positive about content flow for the tour. I do want to rewatch the bit about furries because I wa confused as to whether he was being discreet or distancing himself a bit when he said that people didn’t want to hear more about it but he also wanted to make sure that his jokes weren’t mistaken for putting down furries. Any thoughts on that?
i’m just gonna rehash what’s already been said here but i too am chill with whatever he wants to delete/unlist. if this is what it takes to get him to a place where he can finally feel at peace with himself/his channel then props to him (plus it’s not like it’s not all still available online elsewhere. the internet is forever etc.) + lbr, some of his old videos were dodgy af
i do think he’s preparing for his 2019 and beyond life which may branch off into non youtube projects in which those older videos with offensive and disrespectful slurs etc. wouldn’t jam well with whatever projects he may take on and they obv don’t jam well with who he’s grown to be so yk kudos to him
also, he does get minor props from me for finally deleting that gross old video w/ alex day in it despite the fact that it should have been done 4 years ago and it took a flood in his mentions to get him to actually do it. charlie finally has justice
what is worth noting that he made clear in his live show, at least to me, is that dan still does not have the majority audience he wants to have. i do think he’s trying to make a move in at least verging in that direction especially in his post tour content. he deleted his videos, at least in part, because he wants to be srs bsns and to be taken as a Serious Content Creator by taking his channel in a /somewhat/ new direction and letting go of (getting rid of?) past stuff. comments like “i dont believe we have souls” is something i wish he’d make videos about and back up his claims with valid reasons and explanations bc we’ve heard snippets of his general belief system over the years but they’ve never been delved into or expanded upon and i’d hope he goes into some of those one day. you can see dan being subscribed to and interested in people like contrapoints, like olly from philosophytube etc. & so i could see him attempting at the very least to make more content in that sphere and world of ideas and through that potentially shifting his audience which he apparently (potentially) wants to do.
i dont think ~sandra~ as a person specifically in the world exists and he did what he always does where he makes up names from the chat to bring up a topic he wants to bring up. plus, internet culture is always evolving and rawr xd has evolved into smol bean culture so the rawr XD manner in which he described the email defo made it over the top unbelieve to me. in saying that, he was using ‘her’ as a scapegoat to talk about a wider ~problem, or what he perceives to be a problem, which is that he does get comments like that which are unironic. he was, therefore, actually shitting on a portion of his viewers however small which, yes, is a dick move. he, in my opinion, should have taken more responsibility in his decision to delete the videos rather than placing that on his audience
also, i’m intrigued about that video in june which sounds like he has a v specific plan and goal for it inc a quite targeted date for when he’s going to post it. the way he described it defo throws back to how he described the rebrand video in the months before that was uploaded:
“there was a video that i was going to post because after my meme video, you know, i did that, uh, trying to live my truth video and i was heading forward with a lot of intent and then i was going to make another video but i thought about it a lot, i probably spent a bit too much time thinking about it, and i've now decided cause there’s a lot of other stuff to do, a lot of tour stuff, i wanna start talking about some other cool things, um, i might upload this video in a couple months say june some time around my birthday or after, nothing to do with my birthday it's just a good time”
i have my own thoughts on what this video m a y potentially be but i won’t say it in explicit terms for fear of pitch forks and indirects also intrigued as to what "some other cool things” refers to
i do think he’s preparing for his 2019 and beyond life which may branch off into non youtube projects in which those older videos with offensive and disrespectful slurs etc. wouldn’t jam well with whatever projects he may take on and they obv don’t jam well with who he’s grown to be so yk kudos to him
also, he does get minor props from me for finally deleting that gross old video w/ alex day in it despite the fact that it should have been done 4 years ago and it took a flood in his mentions to get him to actually do it. charlie finally has justice
what is worth noting that he made clear in his live show, at least to me, is that dan still does not have the majority audience he wants to have. i do think he’s trying to make a move in at least verging in that direction especially in his post tour content. he deleted his videos, at least in part, because he wants to be srs bsns and to be taken as a Serious Content Creator by taking his channel in a /somewhat/ new direction and letting go of (getting rid of?) past stuff. comments like “i dont believe we have souls” is something i wish he’d make videos about and back up his claims with valid reasons and explanations bc we’ve heard snippets of his general belief system over the years but they’ve never been delved into or expanded upon and i’d hope he goes into some of those one day. you can see dan being subscribed to and interested in people like contrapoints, like olly from philosophytube etc. & so i could see him attempting at the very least to make more content in that sphere and world of ideas and through that potentially shifting his audience which he apparently (potentially) wants to do.
i dont think ~sandra~ as a person specifically in the world exists and he did what he always does where he makes up names from the chat to bring up a topic he wants to bring up. plus, internet culture is always evolving and rawr xd has evolved into smol bean culture so the rawr XD manner in which he described the email defo made it over the top unbelieve to me. in saying that, he was using ‘her’ as a scapegoat to talk about a wider ~problem, or what he perceives to be a problem, which is that he does get comments like that which are unironic. he was, therefore, actually shitting on a portion of his viewers however small which, yes, is a dick move. he, in my opinion, should have taken more responsibility in his decision to delete the videos rather than placing that on his audience
also, i’m intrigued about that video in june which sounds like he has a v specific plan and goal for it inc a quite targeted date for when he’s going to post it. the way he described it defo throws back to how he described the rebrand video in the months before that was uploaded:
“there was a video that i was going to post because after my meme video, you know, i did that, uh, trying to live my truth video and i was heading forward with a lot of intent and then i was going to make another video but i thought about it a lot, i probably spent a bit too much time thinking about it, and i've now decided cause there’s a lot of other stuff to do, a lot of tour stuff, i wanna start talking about some other cool things, um, i might upload this video in a couple months say june some time around my birthday or after, nothing to do with my birthday it's just a good time”
i have my own thoughts on what this video m a y potentially be but i won’t say it in explicit terms for fear of pitch forks and indirects also intrigued as to what "some other cool things” refers to
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+1 to all of this. I'm just summing you up here, but: I'm not bothered by Dan making his channel into what he wants to be the representation of who he is today. We've all got the ability to self-edit our own past on social media; if I used slurs ten years ago on twitter, I wouldn't feel obligated to leave them up. I can't understand his motivation for every single video but I haven't rewatched most of them. I'll trust that he had a reason and respect that, even if the reason is just that he doesn't like how he comes across or feels like it was "tacky." I'd feel differently if he were somehow wiping them away from the internet for all time - but he's not. We can all still access these videos so this is less about losing "phan history" and more just about... Dan.idk wrote: ↑Thu Apr 05, 2018 2:06 ami’m just gonna rehash what’s already been said here but i too am chill with whatever he wants to delete/unlist. if this is what it takes to get him to a place where he can finally feel at peace with himself/his channel then props to him (plus it’s not like it’s not all still available online elsewhere. the internet is forever etc.) + lbr, some of his old videos were dodgy af
i do think he’s preparing for his 2019 and beyond life which may branch off into non youtube projects in which those older videos with offensive and disrespectful slurs etc. wouldn’t jam well with whatever projects he may take on and they obv don’t jam well with who he’s grown to be so yk kudos to him
also, he does get minor props from me for finally deleting that gross old video w/ alex day in it despite the fact that it should have been done 4 years ago and it took a flood in his mentions to get him to actually do it. charlie finally has justice
I feel like this is the root of why a lot of people are upset. I think people like the idea of some superficial change as Dan grows (which - he started when he was 18, growth was always going to happen and it would be really fucking sad if it didn't) in how he looks or in talking about more adult oriented things, but also feel very strongly protective of the things they associate with why they became interested him in the first place. I'm not unsympathetic to that, but I think Dan is not someone who has the type of personality that can easily juggle respecting nostalgia from the past with being who he wants to be today. Lots of people can - he can't. Remember that last radio show? Remember how Phil was teeming with pride and all Dan could talk about was how awful they were? He will probably go through his entire life with crippling regret for whatever phase he's already left behind or in the process of leaving behind. But in this instance it happens that his inability to cope with his own past happens to align with some actually, objectively crappy shit that it's better for him to not have preserved under the umbrella of his brand.idk wrote: ↑Thu Apr 05, 2018 2:06 am what is worth noting that he made clear in his live show, at least to me, is that dan still does not have the majority audience he wants to have. i do think he’s trying to make a move in at least verging in that direction especially in his post tour content. he deleted his videos, at least in part, because he wants to be srs bsns and to be taken as a Serious Content Creator by taking his channel in a /somewhat/ new direction and letting go of (getting rid of?) past stuff. comments like “i dont believe we have souls” is something i wish he’d make videos about and back up his claims with valid reasons and explanations bc we’ve heard snippets of his general belief system over the years but they’ve never been delved into or expanded upon and i’d hope he goes into some of those one day. you can see dan being subscribed to and interested in people like contrapoints, like olly from philosophytube etc. & so i could see him attempting at the very least to make more content in that sphere and world of ideas and through that potentially shifting his audience which he apparently (potentially) wants to do.
i dont think ~sandra~ as a person specifically in the world exists and he did what he always does where he makes up names from the chat to bring up a topic he wants to bring up. plus, internet culture is always evolving and rawr xd has evolved into smol bean culture so the rawr XD manner in which he described the email defo made it over the top unbelieve to me. in saying that, he was using ‘her’ as a scapegoat to talk about a wider ~problem, or what he perceives to be a problem, which is that he does get comments like that which are unironic. he was, therefore, actually shitting on a portion of his viewers however small which, yes, is a dick move. he, in my opinion, should have taken more responsibility in his decision to delete the videos rather than placing that on his audience
But strongly agree that he should have taken responsibility for the decision rather than make up an outlandish email. I think the email was so over the top that he assumed most people reading wouldn't associate with it and therefore wouldn't be offended, but it was narrow thinking and the cowardly way out of it. He deserves to get some level of shit for that, but I think personally I can separate pride/pleasure with the end result (him distancing from problematic things) with dislike for the method (scapegoating a fan, even fictional).
Yeahh. I too have some thoughts and I too feel too wary to say them. June is an interesting month for him to already have landed on, though.idk wrote: ↑Thu Apr 05, 2018 2:06 amalso, i’m intrigued about that video in june which sounds like he has a v specific plan and goal for it inc a quite targeted date for when he’s going to post it. the way he described it defo throws back to how he described the rebrand video in the months before that was uploaded:
“there was a video that i was going to post because after my meme video, you know, i did that, uh, trying to live my truth video and i was heading forward with a lot of intent and then i was going to make another video but i thought about it a lot, i probably spent a bit too much time thinking about it, and i've now decided cause there’s a lot of other stuff to do, a lot of tour stuff, i wanna start talking about some other cool things, um, i might upload this video in a couple months say june some time around my birthday or after, nothing to do with my birthday it's just a good time”
i have my own thoughts on what this video m a y potentially be but i won’t say it in explicit terms for fear of pitch forks and indirects also intrigued as to what "some other cool things” refers to
The whole part about the video is something I wish he wouldn't have talked about just because it brings about a lot of speculation that can lead to disappointment but I cannot imagine it being an earth shattering video only because it would be mid-tour at that time. I did find it interesting that when someone asked when the next dinof was though he brought up this video and then never said when he planned on uploading next. He did mention a new tour video coming out so maybe that is what's next, although aren't those usually unlisted videos?
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Agreed on this. I don't have much opinion on him unlisting/deleting videos, because they're all still easily accessible to us anyway so I personally don't really care. My only opinion would be - good for him for deleting the problematic stuff. But yes, I don't know why he changed the title of the video. I mean, I assume it's to get more views with a 'catchier' title or something along those lines, but I liked the title how it was.obsessivelymoody wrote: ↑Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:59 pm "OPINIONS" was one of the first Dan videos I remember watching and really loving before I went into full stan mode, and wow I am weirdly really not a fan of the title change. I don't understand why he changed it to what he changed it to. Like, I get the "spoilers" one because it specifies the topic of the video more, but the title he changed "opinions" to is just awful and weird.
I really enjoyed his honesty about these kinds of things too. He seemed to be in a good mood, willing to share his thoughts, which are the liveshows I enjoy most.autumnhearth wrote: ↑Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:51 am So now that the unlisting and privations is sorted I did want to say that I thought Dan was really lovely in this ls. He started off by saying how doing liveshows fulfilled a social need of his and I felt like he was very honest about this a similar aspects of his personality like how being introverted affects his productivity and was positive about content flow for the tour. I do want to rewatch the bit about furries because I wa confused as to whether he was being discreet or distancing himself a bit when he said that people didn’t want to hear more about it but he also wanted to make sure that his jokes weren’t mistaken for putting down furries. Any thoughts on that?
Re: furries - My takeaway was that he didn't want his furry 'jokes' to be misconstrued by anyone, and wanted to make it clear that he doesn't look down on furries and that his jokes aren't mean-spirited. In terms of the 'people don't want to hear more about it' - I took that to mean that he is a furry in some sense, but didn't want to talk about his actual specific furry tendencies (like, what specifically he's into, what he likes about it, etc etc), and was just saying that in a joking way.
This actually kind of relates to a post I made earlier about a quote:
16:50 - "but there we go, character progression, we all like it"
He's so self-aware (and fandom-aware)
which, side note, I timestamped at 16:50, but I just went back now and it's actually at 15:15 now. And both timestamps were from the youtube video, and the original one was from after it was live and uploaded on his channel, with the thumbnail and everything. So.... why did it change? Did he remove something from near the beginning of the video between a few hours ago and now? Is there another possible explanation?
edit: I just checked, and answered my own question - it's because he cut out the Phil stuff at the beginning, after the originally edit and posting of the video (it was already cut a little from the tumblr version - I always check both because I can rarely watch live and want to see what I missed and what he cut - but then was cut even more sometime later). He probably just wanted a clean start, so it's not a big deal or anything, but it was a cute interaction so for anyone who hasn't watched yet, watch the tumblr version for the first few minutes.
Anyways, back to the furry point - I saw this comment as him acknowledging himself acknowledging the furry thing with the audience, both in the aspect of making it clear that he's not being offensive to furries, and also in the aspect of him being more open about himself (e.g. being more open about the furry stuff, whatever that is to him exactly).
I mean, I think most people probably went to the same place of thought. But I can't blame anyone for being cautious/wary of voicing them, with Dan being Dan (and also, like idk mentioned, potential pitchforks). But yeah, definitely an interesting part of the liveshow.alittledizzy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 05, 2018 2:29 amYeahh. I too have some thoughts and I too feel too wary to say them. June is an interesting month for him to already have landed on, though.
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What can I say that hasn't been already? Just some minor notes from the liveshow that ultimately are unimportant...
- why does he pronounce "mucha gusta" like that? I'm shuddering
- right as he was showing off his fursona (...which is a thing now? cool cool) he said he is lanky and "doesn't look like a model". ...like?? Yes you do shut up
- "I'm terrible at self-promotion" self-awareness.
- "I'm high functioning many things" actually me?
- "I like [Phil's] forehead"... ok (honestly he mentions Phil's hair more than he himself does...)
...and regarding deleting/unlisting old videos...
I get why some of those videos needed to go. Basically, +1 what everyone's been saying. Honestly, what upsets me more than him "erasing phandom history" or whatever is that his greatest motivation for removing some of these vids seems to be that he's legitimately ashamed of or embarrassed of his past (...unless you believe the email thing, which quite frankly, is Dan's email address just available for 11 year olds to use or??)
I get the general sense that he doesn't want people to see his past videos because he's in some way ashamed of them, or rather himself in them. Which makes me feel bad because even if he's changed drastically since his earliest videos, there wasn't too much to regret beyond problematic humor and statements. I definitely relate tho, I really criticize myself too harshly and my perfectionism makes me look back on my past as cringeworthy or embarrassing, rather than simply me growing and developing into the person I am today. I just hope that his motive to remove vids isn't purely self-hate driven, because there was nothing in his past-self worth hating really.
- why does he pronounce "mucha gusta" like that? I'm shuddering
- right as he was showing off his fursona (...which is a thing now? cool cool) he said he is lanky and "doesn't look like a model". ...like?? Yes you do shut up
- "I'm terrible at self-promotion" self-awareness.
- "I'm high functioning many things" actually me?
- "I like [Phil's] forehead"... ok (honestly he mentions Phil's hair more than he himself does...)
...and regarding deleting/unlisting old videos...
I get why some of those videos needed to go. Basically, +1 what everyone's been saying. Honestly, what upsets me more than him "erasing phandom history" or whatever is that his greatest motivation for removing some of these vids seems to be that he's legitimately ashamed of or embarrassed of his past (...unless you believe the email thing, which quite frankly, is Dan's email address just available for 11 year olds to use or??)
I get the general sense that he doesn't want people to see his past videos because he's in some way ashamed of them, or rather himself in them. Which makes me feel bad because even if he's changed drastically since his earliest videos, there wasn't too much to regret beyond problematic humor and statements. I definitely relate tho, I really criticize myself too harshly and my perfectionism makes me look back on my past as cringeworthy or embarrassing, rather than simply me growing and developing into the person I am today. I just hope that his motive to remove vids isn't purely self-hate driven, because there was nothing in his past-self worth hating really.
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yeah, just saw someone talk about that on twitter and checked tumblr vs youtube and he deleted the start with phil's voice cameowhatdoiknow wrote: ↑Thu Apr 05, 2018 2:59 am
which, side note, I timestamped at 16:50, but I just went back now and it's actually at 15:15 now. And both timestamps were from the youtube video, and the original one was from after it was live and uploaded on his channel, with the thumbnail and everything. So.... why did it change? Did he remove something from near the beginning of the video between a few hours ago and now? Is there another possible explanation?
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ahah I literally just finished editing my post with this, but thanks for the answer anyways!LurkingTrash wrote: ↑Thu Apr 05, 2018 3:04 amyeah, just saw someone talk about that on twitter and checked tumblr vs youtube and he deleted the start with phil's voice cameowhatdoiknow wrote: ↑Thu Apr 05, 2018 2:59 am
which, side note, I timestamped at 16:50, but I just went back now and it's actually at 15:15 now. And both timestamps were from the youtube video, and the original one was from after it was live and uploaded on his channel, with the thumbnail and everything. So.... why did it change? Did he remove something from near the beginning of the video between a few hours ago and now? Is there another possible explanation?
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I have a theory that Dan is going back to Uni. It makes sense imo with the deleting possibly offensive, immature things he’s said in the past and with wanting to announce something in June. I mean, he even tied the video with “Trying To Live My Truth” which mentions it. Idk it may be a stretch but it’s just a theory.
Trust me with all the theories that I know people will be thinking I will gladly hop on this one and it actually seems pretty logical. I think dan would actually thoroughly enjoy going back to uniSpeedygonz33 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 05, 2018 3:17 am I have a theory that Dan is going back to Uni. It makes sense imo with the deleting possibly offensive, immature things he’s said in the past and with wanting to announce something in June. I mean, he even tied the video with “Trying To Live My Truth” which mentions it. Idk it may be a stretch but it’s just a theory.
when he said that i just smiled and rolled my eyes (fondly)watsonian wrote: ↑Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:13 am Random bit from Dan's livestream: It is apparently relevant background information worth interrupting his story for to know that, when Dan had norovirus and woke up in the morning, Phil was up north visiting his parents.
Dan was sick and Phil wasn't there. Hard life, man.
I just think that's cute. Like, I know people have quite different reactions and needs when sick, and I'm one of those who just wants to be left alone, but I'm guessing Dan isn't at all.
im gonna say something that's annoyingly demon: when he said "i got in the bed"
the bed.
it means absolutely nothing, i know. it's just interesting and cute.
sounds like he was expecting phil to be there when he woke up...
okay i'm sorry i'll stop.
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Phil and Misc Watch 2018
Why I Deleted Some Old Videos (April 4, 2018)
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Unprompted Phil Mention
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Miscellaneous
Phinal Tally: said ‘Phil’ 23 times
~23/49 mins = 0.46 per min
Ok so I did some bitching here but ultimately he can (AND SHOULD) do exactly what he wants with his channel and public output or whatever, it’s cool Dan (and for the record: yup still like him, still enjoy him. We just all have room for improvement). I just don’t like change and personal inconvenience (those extra clicks mannn) but ultimately everybody needs to do what’s best for themselves and their comfort/happiness/career/satan. It is a strange thing though because at what point does art no longer belong to the artist? The second it has an audience? Dan owns the origin of his videos (and copyright obviously), but they’re out in the world and have meant a lot to a lot of people for a lot of time, and continue to, even if their meaning to him has been degraded over the years into pure cringe, like that’s cool, I get it. But him finding things cringey doesn’t make them objectively so (just like some of his viewers finding certain videos of his cringey or just plain shit doesn’t objectively make them so) so it’s just rough that based on one or two unfortunate word choices (in a time and environment when it was the norm), they can’t be allowed to officially exist anymore. Like yikes, if he was a painter he’d be having monthly bonfires of all of his older work where he remembered how shitty his hair looked while he was painting and just like what’s happened today: that would be bad for the environment. But sure, he can do what he wants with his art, and we can do what we want with his art because it’s also our art now and can never actually be fully deleted from our hearts (but more importantly: from the internet). Honestly, bless and fuck the internet in equal measure
Anyway look, I'm really enjoying that Dan is both Will Ferrell and Joaquin Phoenix having a conversation with himself. And we are also Will Ferrell:
Why I Deleted Some Old Videos (April 4, 2018)
Prompted Phil Mention
~23/49 mins = 0.46 per min
Ok so I did some bitching here but ultimately he can (AND SHOULD) do exactly what he wants with his channel and public output or whatever, it’s cool Dan (and for the record: yup still like him, still enjoy him. We just all have room for improvement). I just don’t like change and personal inconvenience (those extra clicks mannn) but ultimately everybody needs to do what’s best for themselves and their comfort/happiness/career/satan. It is a strange thing though because at what point does art no longer belong to the artist? The second it has an audience? Dan owns the origin of his videos (and copyright obviously), but they’re out in the world and have meant a lot to a lot of people for a lot of time, and continue to, even if their meaning to him has been degraded over the years into pure cringe, like that’s cool, I get it. But him finding things cringey doesn’t make them objectively so (just like some of his viewers finding certain videos of his cringey or just plain shit doesn’t objectively make them so) so it’s just rough that based on one or two unfortunate word choices (in a time and environment when it was the norm), they can’t be allowed to officially exist anymore. Like yikes, if he was a painter he’d be having monthly bonfires of all of his older work where he remembered how shitty his hair looked while he was painting and just like what’s happened today: that would be bad for the environment. But sure, he can do what he wants with his art, and we can do what we want with his art because it’s also our art now and can never actually be fully deleted from our hearts (but more importantly: from the internet). Honestly, bless and fuck the internet in equal measure
Anyway look, I'm really enjoying that Dan is both Will Ferrell and Joaquin Phoenix having a conversation with himself. And we are also Will Ferrell:
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meh, let those videos be gone. even How To Speak Northern. it was one of the first vids of his that i saw even before i knew what dan & phil were and while i loved it, thought it was fun (albeit awkard), i was still taken aback by the "raped in the alleyway" joke, and lord knows i'm surprised how many of his videos have a rape joke. let them all burn.
the problem with dan is that it was his most prolific time content wise (on his channel) and he doesn't really have anything to counter balance the loss of these old videos because he barely creates new ones. if by now he had finally made up his mind on what his yt identity/content/style is and stuck with it and backed that up by making loads of videos then it wouldn't have been a problem, but at some point if he continues down this road he might just end up in the minus (maybe that's what he wants...lol).
the problem with dan is that it was his most prolific time content wise (on his channel) and he doesn't really have anything to counter balance the loss of these old videos because he barely creates new ones. if by now he had finally made up his mind on what his yt identity/content/style is and stuck with it and backed that up by making loads of videos then it wouldn't have been a problem, but at some point if he continues down this road he might just end up in the minus (maybe that's what he wants...lol).
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so....i kind of hated that liveshow in some ways. i don't know, i just feel like he was way too harsh on an 11 year old. like is he really going to shame an ELEVEN year old child for liking old videos that he thinks are cringy? it's a literal child dan like shut up. it just seems like a shitty reason to get rid of a bunch of videos. like i'm not mad that he unlisted/deleted them because i get that there's some offensive humor in them that he doesn't want to promote anymore. great. but like...why wouldn't he just explain that in the liveshow instead of shaming a child for enjoying something.
and what about his current branding? furries, sex, and euthanasia aren't a little cringy? he's not going to regret 2018 dan in 5 years time? sure.
also, i just started to feel (like i often do) that he was overexplaining everything and like...being condescending. i don't need dan to tell me what a rage comic is. i mean i guess some really young fans might not know what they are but it was just annoying. and him acting like humor used to be at such a low threshold. like everyone in the world was stupid for liking rage comics and those old types of memes. they were funny then, get over it. internet humor has moved on but it's still not that sophisticated.
side note: what was with the way he said me gusta. once i realized that's what he was talking about i had to pause it because i was laughing so hard i couldn't breathe.
dan talks about how bad he used to be at making videos but honestly....i'm not a huge fan of current main channel dan vids. his quality threshold is too high and he's so concerned with how intellectual his content instead of making it more....entertaining. the last dan video i REALLY liked was the bahamas one. he just always feels like he's acting and it feels so scripted that i'm prefering phil's content lately which i didn't used to. just a personal opinion and i'm rambling at this point but i don't know. a little annoyed with dan today.
on a more positive note i'm really thrilled about the amount of content he implied we'll be getting while they're on tour. i'm looking forward to it starting to see what they'll do and i'm very excited for instagram stories.
and what about his current branding? furries, sex, and euthanasia aren't a little cringy? he's not going to regret 2018 dan in 5 years time? sure.
also, i just started to feel (like i often do) that he was overexplaining everything and like...being condescending. i don't need dan to tell me what a rage comic is. i mean i guess some really young fans might not know what they are but it was just annoying. and him acting like humor used to be at such a low threshold. like everyone in the world was stupid for liking rage comics and those old types of memes. they were funny then, get over it. internet humor has moved on but it's still not that sophisticated.
side note: what was with the way he said me gusta. once i realized that's what he was talking about i had to pause it because i was laughing so hard i couldn't breathe.
dan talks about how bad he used to be at making videos but honestly....i'm not a huge fan of current main channel dan vids. his quality threshold is too high and he's so concerned with how intellectual his content instead of making it more....entertaining. the last dan video i REALLY liked was the bahamas one. he just always feels like he's acting and it feels so scripted that i'm prefering phil's content lately which i didn't used to. just a personal opinion and i'm rambling at this point but i don't know. a little annoyed with dan today.
on a more positive note i'm really thrilled about the amount of content he implied we'll be getting while they're on tour. i'm looking forward to it starting to see what they'll do and i'm very excited for instagram stories.