Dan & Phil Part 69: our cherry blossom
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@watsonian my hunch is that they usually edit it out if it comes to that, but then they probably talk about it afterwards. phil is very insistent on "talking it out" in the recent dapgos but who knows
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I feel like they don't have a safe word but talking in their natural voices seems to be a signal of "ok I seriously need to talk to you and this part will obviously be edited out." Like in pinof 9, Phil managed to scare dan because he spoke naturally and calmly and dan turns toward him because he thinks phil is genuinely having trouble with his phone. On camera they are very upbeat and so it's very noticeable when they drop that just to speak to the other person in something that is meant for their ears only. You can also see this in the gaming bloopers video.watsonian wrote: ↑Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:28 pm The current conversation reminded me, I often wonder how Dan and Phil know when they're pushing or teasing each other too much and when it's still funny or entertaining the audience. Like, in 'How To Make Dan Cringe' Dan says 'this isn't a funny thing that you're doing for a vlog' and then it is, in fact, a funny thing they do for a vlog. And they're both clearly okay with that, so it makes me wonder what the words are for 'actually stop' when saying 'actually stop' is often a part of their humor. Like, do they have a comedy safeword?
Tone change actually makes a lot of sense. Thank you for pointing this out! Now that you’ve mentioned it, I’m thinking of the first charades video, where in the beginning Phil asks ‘are you actually in pain?’ in what sounds to me like his natural voice. Dan responds directly to the camera, so even though he says ‘agony’ or something it’s communicating the ok to continue.hello9217 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:18 pmI feel like they don't have a safe word but talking in their natural voices seems to be a signal of "ok I seriously need to talk to you and this part will obviously be edited out." Like in pinof 9, Phil managed to scare dan because he spoke naturally and calmly and dan turns toward him because he thinks phil is genuinely having trouble with his phone. On camera they are very upbeat and so it's very noticeable when they drop that just to speak to the other person in something that is meant for their ears only. You can also see this in the gaming bloopers video.watsonian wrote: ↑Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:28 pm The current conversation reminded me, I often wonder how Dan and Phil know when they're pushing or teasing each other too much and when it's still funny or entertaining the audience. Like, in 'How To Make Dan Cringe' Dan says 'this isn't a funny thing that you're doing for a vlog' and then it is, in fact, a funny thing they do for a vlog. And they're both clearly okay with that, so it makes me wonder what the words are for 'actually stop' when saying 'actually stop' is often a part of their humor. Like, do they have a comedy safeword?
Well, this time around it'll be a bit hard to know what is a spoiler and what isn't. While TATINOF had a script, II is apparently supposed to be a little bit different every time. But here are some guidelines:LtrllySusan wrote: ↑Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:47 pm The trailer will definitely include what kind of input they want us to submit for the shows, so it should be at least some days before Brighton.
My guess: vlog today, trailer/instructions Tuesday, joint LS Thursday
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I am not quite on the Dan-level of hating spoilers but I don't want to know everything. I was glad I didn't know the twist(s) in Tatinof when watching the recording, but I also don't wanna stay away from the forum until June.
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There is a subforum for the Interactive Introverts tour here. There is a thread for each show. Currently, some IDB'ers are using the threads to discuss or plan meetups for a particular show. Once the shows start, any discussion with spoilers (without needing spoiler tags) for each performance can go on its respective thread! These threads are also a great place to archive M&G photos or any other memorabilia related to a particular show.
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Oh wow, I listened to a podcast this morning that is way too relevant to the "comedy safe word" discussion that I want to talk about it, but a lot of it will be very much not D&P related (but still kind of..?) so I'll put it under a cut. It is about 2 dudes with brown hair though, so like, close enough.
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oooo i rarely wish we had a 'like' function (too many drawbacks), but days like today i want to respond to every single post on the last two pages yet i have nothing to contribute.
love how the whiny!dan talk evolved from bdsm, to child psychology and balancing out each other's anxieties and insecurities, to life philosophies and coping mechanisms. great observations of their natural voices with examples, i would agree that is something they both use either consciously or subconsciously to navigate filming and what is public/private. also made me wanna go back and watch them all!
@fancybum i feel this hits too close to home to adequately respond, but i wanted to say the parallels with dan and phil are pretty apt and even though i don't know the guys you speak of, you explained it so it made perfect sense. so thanks for the interesting post! sometimes i do think dan and phil are two sides of the same coin, (to very different extremities and functional abilities/disruption, obviously). in that, avoidance vs dwelling are both responses to fear, with somewhere in the middle being the 'optimal' survival mode from a mental health point of view. there are strategies to knock your coping closer to the centre peg but to an extent it may not be within your control in any given moment. going back to the balance thing, i do think that could be something they struggle with more than other issues to find their balance on.
the people in your example, i definitely identify with the guy who just wants to feel it's okay to acknowledge existence can be painful and tiring and not have it be taken as an attack or rejection, or worse, a plea for help. any depression-prone person knows you basically kiss goodbye that right to express your philosophical views objectively in a conversation with someone close to you, as soon as they know your history. i don't know that guys history, though. and that's the point; it's not depression to express those things, it's a valid and healthy perspective on existence. they can co-exist and overlap, but they're not synonymous.
dismissing someone's right to feel and express negative emotion and possibilities is not the right way to relate to someone and meet each other in the middle, but it happens so very often even between people who care about each immensely. sometimes it is just about fear, and that clashing of coping styles. but sometimes the person is just content, as you say, and unable to (or doesn't see the point, in) accessing their empathy to understand a different mind. sometimes it's hard to judge which is happening. the latter it isn't helped by the western cultural phenomena having its peak right now, the cult of affirmations and commodifying 'finding your authenticity' (empty, meaningless and non-pragmatic phrases like 'toxic people', 'emotional vampire', 'surrounding yourself with positivity', etc). i've shared this opinion before but it's a reason i think Dan is as popular as he is online; he was in the right place at the right time and tapped into the subculture who gathers in places on the internet and in humour types, who reject the mantra. it's fascinating to see that interact with phil's methods of coping and people who enjoy phil, and maybe that's why together as a package they hold the appeal they do for so many people.
the dan being loud thing is interesting - i go back and forth between whether it bothers phil, or whether he's anxious about thinking it bothers the audience. comedy safeword is my new favourite phrase. it could apply to many aspects. i'm definitely gonna be thinking more about this...
edit: heavy convo so i'm gonna drop this ~not sorry
...speaking of dan and sex, this made me laugh on my timeline earlier today:
and i didn't see phil's liking tyler's tweet posted yet:
love how the whiny!dan talk evolved from bdsm, to child psychology and balancing out each other's anxieties and insecurities, to life philosophies and coping mechanisms. great observations of their natural voices with examples, i would agree that is something they both use either consciously or subconsciously to navigate filming and what is public/private. also made me wanna go back and watch them all!
@fancybum i feel this hits too close to home to adequately respond, but i wanted to say the parallels with dan and phil are pretty apt and even though i don't know the guys you speak of, you explained it so it made perfect sense. so thanks for the interesting post! sometimes i do think dan and phil are two sides of the same coin, (to very different extremities and functional abilities/disruption, obviously). in that, avoidance vs dwelling are both responses to fear, with somewhere in the middle being the 'optimal' survival mode from a mental health point of view. there are strategies to knock your coping closer to the centre peg but to an extent it may not be within your control in any given moment. going back to the balance thing, i do think that could be something they struggle with more than other issues to find their balance on.
the people in your example, i definitely identify with the guy who just wants to feel it's okay to acknowledge existence can be painful and tiring and not have it be taken as an attack or rejection, or worse, a plea for help. any depression-prone person knows you basically kiss goodbye that right to express your philosophical views objectively in a conversation with someone close to you, as soon as they know your history. i don't know that guys history, though. and that's the point; it's not depression to express those things, it's a valid and healthy perspective on existence. they can co-exist and overlap, but they're not synonymous.
dismissing someone's right to feel and express negative emotion and possibilities is not the right way to relate to someone and meet each other in the middle, but it happens so very often even between people who care about each immensely. sometimes it is just about fear, and that clashing of coping styles. but sometimes the person is just content, as you say, and unable to (or doesn't see the point, in) accessing their empathy to understand a different mind. sometimes it's hard to judge which is happening. the latter it isn't helped by the western cultural phenomena having its peak right now, the cult of affirmations and commodifying 'finding your authenticity' (empty, meaningless and non-pragmatic phrases like 'toxic people', 'emotional vampire', 'surrounding yourself with positivity', etc). i've shared this opinion before but it's a reason i think Dan is as popular as he is online; he was in the right place at the right time and tapped into the subculture who gathers in places on the internet and in humour types, who reject the mantra. it's fascinating to see that interact with phil's methods of coping and people who enjoy phil, and maybe that's why together as a package they hold the appeal they do for so many people.
the dan being loud thing is interesting - i go back and forth between whether it bothers phil, or whether he's anxious about thinking it bothers the audience. comedy safeword is my new favourite phrase. it could apply to many aspects. i'm definitely gonna be thinking more about this...
edit: heavy convo so i'm gonna drop this ~not sorry
*cough* my favourite part of that clip is "normal, good sex". aw, dan.flarequake wrote: ↑Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:16 am Wow, I’ve never seen that clip before, the Batman voice is scary anyway, I’ve never liked it in the movies. With how he’s joked about kinks including choking and then joked that it’s the one kink he doesn’t actually have, well, who knows really, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s into a few things. I wouldn’t worry too much about calling him a brat or a baby, it’s not being said in a bdsm context here.
...speaking of dan and sex, this made me laugh on my timeline earlier today:
and i didn't see phil's liking tyler's tweet posted yet:
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That was really interesting to read, thanks for it. I gotta be honest I know both Mike and Steve from Sourcefed and TheValleyfolk but I don’t listen to dynamic banter simply b/c it has too many in-jokes at this point for me to get into. I do really think that Steve and Dan do have similarities (esp Dan on the gaming channel), they’re brash a little bit more out there, will say anything etc. though i kind of wanted to represent the phil/mike side of things.fancybum wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:15 am Oh wow, I listened to a podcast this morning that is way too relevant to the "comedy safe word" discussion that I want to talk about it, but a lot of it will be very much not D&P related (but still kind of..?) so I'll put it under a cut. It is about 2 dudes with brown hair though, so like, close enough.
I’m going to put my thoughts under the spoiler because it got long but i read the situation a bit differently.
And also i was thinking about the reverse, where dan got annoyed at phil, and i think the swearing thing was the most the i could come up with (and that was eandearing) anyone know any instances?
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I have a terrible memory for any of their old stuff/liveshows, so this is the closest I could come up with. In the first few minutes, he sounds a little irritated (Phil saying to watch them when they go to the toilet, not setting his hotspot up etc), but nothing major.fieldoflovers wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 10:57 am And also i was thinking about the reverse, where dan got annoyed at phil, and i think the swearing thing was the most the i could come up with (and that was eandearing) anyone know any instances?
Also maybe with the Gamingmas announcement when Phil was messing with him and forgetting he forgot what he was supossed to say. Then again, that gave us the cutest little look after the initial irritation, so...
ETA: I haven't watched them in a while, but if there's ever going to be an instance of annoyed Dan (towards Phil), I'd be money it'd be in one of the Impossible Quiz videos.
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a) Phil's liked tweet! Oh, god, I love his 2018 character development.
b) The entire discussion on comedy safe words is fascinating. I've never heard of those guys but I'm totally intrigued now.
c) I think for Dan getting annoyed at Phil, I'd definitely say confession roulette. I think both of them were a little raw during that video - obviously keeping things camera safe but with a twist of realness about it that isn't territory they venture into often.
d) I'm already antsy for Phil's vloggy goodness. With phandoms penchants for getting themselves twisted into knots over things on a regular basis, it's kind of like an excited fear-dread feeling.
b) The entire discussion on comedy safe words is fascinating. I've never heard of those guys but I'm totally intrigued now.
c) I think for Dan getting annoyed at Phil, I'd definitely say confession roulette. I think both of them were a little raw during that video - obviously keeping things camera safe but with a twist of realness about it that isn't territory they venture into often.
d) I'm already antsy for Phil's vloggy goodness. With phandoms penchants for getting themselves twisted into knots over things on a regular basis, it's kind of like an excited fear-dread feeling.
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honestly, i feel the same. so many things eloquently said over here like its a goddamn poetry book.mermaid blood wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 9:57 am oooo i rarely wish we had a 'like' function (too many drawbacks), but days like today i want to respond to every single post on the last two pages yet i have nothing to contribute.
anyways, those twitter screencaps man....i never noticed the hand thing but ive got mad respect for the person who noticed it first since its really subtle if youre watching the original video.
also, i find phil liking tylers tweet very interesting
i rewatched that bit again today and i feel like rather than being angry-annoyed, its more of a disbelief-annoyance( idk words are hard) like in a "ohmyGOD phil" kind of way. also, that gamingmas announcement showcased how phil is quite adept at lying when he means it. that clueless expression, the way he stutters a bit - though his expression was so convincing - i think he cracked a bit into a smile when dan showed his "are you fucking kidding me?" face.topdanhowellmemes wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:53 pm Also maybe with the Gamingmas announcement when Phil was messing with him and forgetting he forgot what he was supossed to say. Then again, that gave us the cutest little look after the initial irritation, so...
ETA: I haven't watched them in a while, but if there's ever going to be an instance of annoyed Dan (towards Phil), I'd be money it'd be in one of the Impossible Quiz videos.
(ive stuck a short clip of it i found on the youtubez for easy viewing, it starts at 0:42)
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Get out, yes you have! Steve Zaragoza??alittledizzy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 4:45 pm b) The entire discussion on comedy safe words is fascinating. I've never heard of those guys but I'm totally intrigued now.
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re: instances when Dan and Phil annoyed each other.
I remember in the joint livestream from last year both seemed kind of exasperated, first Phil @10:20 because Dan was interrupting him and even did a typical "oh my god", and then Dan @ 37:12 (thanks timestamps thread!) getting annoyed at how Phil tells stories and interrupting him again (and Phil getting annoyed again in return) .
I remember in the joint livestream from last year both seemed kind of exasperated, first Phil @10:20 because Dan was interrupting him and even did a typical "oh my god", and then Dan @ 37:12 (thanks timestamps thread!) getting annoyed at how Phil tells stories and interrupting him again (and Phil getting annoyed again in return) .
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Completely fucking late to the party (I bought a Switch. I've played so much Mario Kart its unreal and I started therapy... yay) but Dans last video is a fucking gift. The day I am over Phil Lester dropping an f-bomb is a sign I might be over seeing Dans actual literal fucking HEAD between his thighs. I am so ready for the tour. I am so ready for this level of fan-service.
And the gaming video. Dan saying he would fuck and kill his clone - a. same, and b. this is just another instance of how they are giving me life this year. Also if anybody still wants to argue that Dan is in any way straight can I submit this for evidence?
And the gaming video. Dan saying he would fuck and kill his clone - a. same, and b. this is just another instance of how they are giving me life this year. Also if anybody still wants to argue that Dan is in any way straight can I submit this for evidence?
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So do we think that the vloggy goodness will eventually come out today?
Speedygonz33 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:27 pm So do we think that the vloggy goodness will eventually come out today?
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That is one of my favorite live shows!malday wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 5:55 pm re: instances when Dan and Phil annoyed each other.
I remember in the joint livestream from last year both seemed kind of exasperated, first Phil @10:20 because Dan was interrupting him and even did a typical "oh my god", and then Dan @ 37:12 (thanks timestamps thread!) getting annoyed at how Phil tells stories and interrupting him again (and Phil getting annoyed again in return) .
Initially I thought asking ‘are you scared?’ or them saying they’re scared might be the comedy safe word, or like, a ‘yellow’ at least. This show is a good example, because Phil is doing something they didn’t plan on camera, so I feel like he was checking in at 25:20. Another instance is the pinof with the ‘trust fall’ where I think Dan is genuinely afraid of being dropped for laughs. Aaaand a third instance that just occurred to me is Phil vs the Praying Mantis where I thought Dan was being especially cautious of Phil possibly letting the bug out of the glass as a joke, which of course he didn’t, he just named it Winston.
In the live show, I feel like Phil is annoyed in a way that is performative and meant to be funny. I don’t personally read it as ‘this isn’t funny anymore’ annoyance, but I also find Phil hard to read. It's noteworthy that Dan reads someone saying he’s annoying in the chat right after that, Phil tells him to read a positive comment, and then Phil says “there you go. See? Don’t give into the haters” which I’m guessing is just a phrase they use, but Phil referring to fans as ‘haters’ for calling Dan annoying when Dan was obviously being annoying strikes me as a pretty strong statement from Phil.
I can’t remember the exact live show now, but there was a joint one where Dan was talking about a theme park and mentioned some ride making Phil feel sick, and then said Phil threw up afterwords. I wish I could link it, sorry. I remember thinking Phil’s complaining about that was more genuine sounding than comedic, and I thought Dan might have picked up on that and tried to fix it by bringing up some ride that made him sick too.
I’m with @alittledizzy on the Roulette quiz as an example of Dan being genuinely uncomfortable. I find that hard to re-watch so I can’t analyze much, but I felt like perhaps dnp had different ideas about the philosophy behind the show, like Dan would have preferred to go over what they were going to talk about first and make it camera appropriate, and Phil thought it was important not to do that because they were supposed to be setting an example for people on the special confronting-your-friends day (it was some sort of day promoting talking out your problems, right? Which Phil is particularly a fan of teaching people, so that seems plausible to me).