Re: Dan & Phil Part 69: our cherry blossom
Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:23 pm
1 million views in 14 hours. Wild.
In more Dan-being-shameless news:
In more Dan-being-shameless news:
Can someone write an eloquent piece on how this video fits into Dan Living His Truth as announced in the last dinof?LadyLackless wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:18 amI’m left admiring not only the video itself but the meta.
I think Phil said something last year (maaaaybe in Reading Dan's fortune?), about people asking him to "do it with Dan" and some guy meaning it in the other way. It's the closest thing I can think of.Loafer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:25 pm Totally didn’t register the first two times I watched that dan had blatantly mentioned people wanting them to fuck at 2:13. I don’t know what to think about it, but my eyebrows are sky high. I can’t think of another time in recent memory that they acknowledged that their audience wants to see “phan”?
I didn't register that either at first! I sort of took it as him saying that people's reaction to them doing "anything" was an incredulous "FUCK!", as opposed to a request to..... fuck. Silly me.Loafer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:25 pm Totally didn’t register the first two times I watched that dan had blatantly mentioned people wanting them to fuck at 2:13. I don’t know what to think about it, but my eyebrows are sky high. I can’t think of another time in recent memory that they acknowledged that their audience wants to see “phan”?
That's what I'm thinking, too!
I actually got the same meaning the first time I watched the video and I'm quite happy about Dan not shying away from acknowledging it. I mean, I like my fourth wall as much as the next girl, but only when the fandom itself is giving some effort to maintaining it, too, so maybe it'll serve people well to remind them that deppy are real people and they do read comments, tweet replies, etc., including those mentioning phan in a rude way. The same goes to Dan's replies on youtube, especially the one about his face between Phil's legs, I wholeheartedly approveTotally didn’t register the first two times I watched that dan had blatantly mentioned people wanting them to fuck at 2:13. I don’t know what to think about it, but my eyebrows are sky high. I can’t think of another time in recent memory that they acknowledged that their audience wants to see “phan”?
This was the first response to the video yesterday and I just want to say that I'm really proud of your life choices.fancybum wrote: ↑Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:55 pm You guys. I am at work. I have no wifi. I was at 90% of my data use 3 days ago and one day to go until it’s the new billing period. So what I’m saying is I literally just paid $10 to watch this video and.... it was worth it. Best video of any year past or present, I am so happy right now and Phil saying fuck is my sexuality thank thank thank
I'm so glad they did that introductory part. I think it really set the perfect tone for the entire video. If they'd done all these things under the pretense that they really genuinely wanted to all on their own and not at all for us it would have felt too fake, if they'd (Dan, mostly) had acted too sardonic it would have felt like they were being forced into things. But the beginning part where they stated bluntly the line between them as people and them as youtube personalities, and said why they were doing this and what they want out of tour was a mix of self-awareness and also promoting this career of theirs. It felt like they were saying here's us, we're doing this tour, this is the theme of the tour, it's going to make us seem more like real people and less like characters, and this video is an example of that. The entire framing of it just... worked. It was the perfect middle ground.flarequake wrote: ↑Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:08 pm The very beginning with Phil actually being direct about them as YouTubers, us as audience, it’s interesting to hear him talk about things like that. I was in love just with that. I guess he really does keep quiet if that’s all it takes.
This, yes yes. This is how I feel. I said something similar already but since that was a few pages ago I'll succumb to my desire to be repetitive: not every chapter ending is a bad thing. Look at it less like 'omg they're gonna separate' and more like 'they want to be known as Dan and Phil, Adult Human People, and not just danisnotonfire and AmazingPhil.' I feel like all of 2017 was a slow crawl toward that and 2018 has just ramped it up in a big way. But why does wanting to be known as Adult Human People relate to separating in people's heads? Is it just a cascading fear effect? Growing up doesn't mean you leave behind everything you love, them growing their images up doesn't at all mean they need to leave behind each other. If anything, look at the gaming channel, look at this tour, look at this whole video they just posted - they're growing their images up together and being very obvious about the togetherness aspect of it.saffarinda wrote: ↑Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:47 pm i haven’t been on idb in awhile but,, y’all thinking dnp are seperating after this tour smh. the only sense of finalisation within the vid came from maybe the fact that they’ll probs never do another proper tour after this and the old dnp era is finally coming to a conclusion.
but other than that? nah.
Just quoting this whole thing in case anyone missed it on the last page, because it's solid gold.
I'm fascinated by Dan's attitude about the dog thing. This is the second time he's said it now, he expressed a similar sentiment during a liveshow once. I feel like it's probably something he took away from therapy and now I'm just endlessly curious to know what the root of it is. What is the hole that Dan needs filling? I'm guessing maybe something to do with needing to be at a place where he's satisfied with himself as a person and feeling capable of taking care of himself before he takes on responsibility for another living creature entirely dependent on him. (Or maybe, if I dare go there, wanting to be in a position where they don't feel obligated towards coyness about how much of a symbol of publicly visible long term commitment owning a pet together is. Be happy being open with themselves before they bring that into it, so that if he feels the need for backstepping from the public visibility out of fear/insecurity/etc he'll still be capable of it without sad doggo eyes going don't you love me, dad.)Anyway, theories!coffeepenguin wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:59 am- Deppy being cute & happy with the doggo. I felt like Dan got a little bitter (idk) at the start of the dog bit for some reason, but then he forgot about everything and they were just so happy and so... themselves with the dog, it's literally too much
The idea that they were phandom shoutouts and Dan and Phil are fine with the vday video being put up got a lot of strength yesterday when someone on tumblr posted that Phil no longer takes the vday video down, he monetizes it and leaves it up. That's 100% untrue; I tested it out because I knew the copyright bot would be instant if it was still in effect, and it was. Blocked in all countries, no monetization. So yeah; the idea that they mentioned the wheel or the coffees out of a fond nod toward the video holds no water with me. But like fancybum said, they were still objectively important to them apart from that one video, and it doesn't detract from the sweetness of their nostalgia at all to me.fancybum wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:05 amI think this is an iffy way of looking at it. I don’t think they’d realistically be giving some kind of special shout out to fans who engage(d) in their unfortunate breach of privacy as some kind of fun thing. Like that those were objectively important things to them is enough of a reason to mention them without feeling the need to censor it just because certain people may think of another place they’ve been mentioned before almost a decade agohello9217 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:33 am How about them talking about Manchester macchiatos and the wheel? They didn't even go on the wheel in the original ditl but the people part of the phandom know fully well how important the wheel and caramel macchiatos are to deppy. There were such subtle shout outs that people in the phandom will truly know what they mean.
Only hiding this because my big post of replies is gonna be massive anyway, but this is fascinating and feels also on some level true. I'm really loving this new era of drawing boundaries while making it clear they are the boundaries even if we know what's on the other side of them.willowgarden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:29 am Have you ever seen a dog pee in a roughly triangular shape around something it owns?
It marks its territory.
It says, this is mine, not yours.
yesyesyesyesyeshello9217 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:03 am Something else I really appreciated in this video that I forgot to mention: Dan (and somewhat Phil) bringing up that their youtube channels our very persona heavy and not fully them. Like when dan said that the tour was to meet daniel howell and phil lester and "not danisnotonfire and amazingphil, whoever they are," it just felt like such a statement of how they want to represent themselves now. I feel like this is something that we have been commenting on over the past year and it felt really nice to hear that both of them also feel like it's the right time to shed some of the branding and cement this tour as the thing that will help do that.
I really didn't think he was gonna say it, so I might have gasped as well. Or I thought at most he'd say it and Dan would bleep it for him.KatjaZoe wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:09 amIn regards to phil saying fuck.. I felt a lil awkward for him at the lead up because he seemed to feel so awkward, but the delivery was worth it. On the first watch I literally gasped -- I'm a little embarassed about how much of a reaction I had as a grown adult who cusses all the time to hearing another adult who cusses all the time say the word "fuck".
I loved this so much I quoted it on tumblr earlier.watsonian wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:13 amPINOF 1 Reaction: DIDN'T WANT IT, got it anyway. I appreciate how Phil tempers Dan's natural criticism. I especially appreciate Phil's "Are you ready for a cringe attack or are you okay?" That's just… very sweet. I think Phil is more sentimental about their early content like most of the fandom is, while Dan can't help being critical. So Phil's acknowledging Dan's natural 'cringe' reaction seems honest and kind in a way I'm having a hard time articulating? It's how well they know each other (of course they do) and to me it's also a gentle reminder to the audience that "Dan's gonna Dan." Having said that, he wasn't nearly as critical as he usually is of his own content; Phil being next to him, and also being a part of the video, definitely tempers that.
Ooh, this is a good point - and it actually makes me think of Dan's tweet yesterday alluding to Phil being scared of all the changes recently:sapienveneficus wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:46 pmPhil swearing! This may have been my favorite moment. Not because he swore, though that was certainly something I never thought we'd get to hear. But it was that attempt Dan made to get Phil out of his persona, and Phil obliged. It reminded me of that interview Caspar did with Joe last year, where he forced Joe to drop his media training just a bit and be honest. I really do hope this video is a sign of things to come. With a little more of them, and a little less of their personas. to love.
When I first watched that august 2015 liveshow (here is that particular bit if anyone's looking, courtesy of the amazing @oqua), I was honestly confused by Dan comparing getting a dog to "It's like when you're trying to save a relationship by having a child or getting married or something like that", because his relationship with Phil, whatever that may be, sure as hell doesn't look like one in need to be saved and if it's not that, what other relationship does he have, really? Dan sure has a way with words, but, as we've seen from many-many liveshows, his actual communication abilities are not that great. It's funny because you're almost quoting him, but this has actually been Dan and Phil's explanation for why they don't get a pet for some time now (since they moved). But also, not being a functional adult = not being an adult = not having to do/think about what is considered to be adult things for people with enough income like house, marriage, children, etc., it's like their basic defence mechanism against having to explain why they aren't doing what the society/their audience expects from them (see also: Phil turning 30 and phandom's reaction to that, especially by the younger fans).alittledizzy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:24 pmI'm fascinated by Dan's attitude about the dog thing. This is the second time he's said it now, he expressed a similar sentiment during a liveshow once. I feel like it's probably something he took away from therapy and now I'm just endlessly curious to know what the root of it is. What is the hole that Dan needs filling? I'm guessing maybe something to do with needing to be at a place where he's satisfied with himself as a person and feeling capable of taking care of himself before he takes on responsibility for another living creature entirely dependent on him. (Or maybe, if I dare go there, wanting to be in a position where they don't feel obligated towards coyness about how much of a symbol of publicly visible long term commitment owning a pet together is. Be happy being open with themselves before they bring that into it, so that if he feels the need for backstepping from the public visibility out of fear/insecurity/etc he'll still be capable of it without sad doggo eyes going don't you love me, dad.)Anyway, theories!coffeepenguin wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:59 am- Deppy being cute & happy with the doggo. I felt like Dan got a little bitter (idk) at the start of the dog bit for some reason, but then he forgot about everything and they were just so happy and so... themselves with the dog, it's literally too much
I didn't took them as shout outs to people who have seen the leaked video specifically, I don't really expect Dan or Phil remember in great details what particular places and events were referenced there, but they must've rewatched the Manchester DITL before filming that part or at least before putting the video together (I'm not very sure about the timeline of them going to Manchester and deciding what they're doing for the video). So they know the wheel didn't feature in it, but it has been a part of the phandom "mythology" as much as the story of how they really met ("stalking him until he loves you"), or going to see Lesters together, or sharing clothes, and they have been increasingly more open about all of those things for the last couple of years. Provided what is shown in the leaked video is true, it feels significant to me that they've addressed it as just another part of their shared history that is important to them, without making a big deal of it, when it's not directly referenced in the Manchester DITL, all while maintaining strict boundaries about actual breaches of privacy and continuing to claim copyright on the video. But anyway, thank you dizzy for getting a copyright complaint for sciencealittledizzy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:24 pmThe idea that they were phandom shoutouts and Dan and Phil are fine with the vday video being put up got a lot of strength yesterday when someone on tumblr posted that Phil no longer takes the vday video down, he monetizes it and leaves it up. That's 100% untrue; I tested it out because I knew the copyright bot would be instant if it was still in effect, and it was. Blocked in all countries, no monetization. So yeah; the idea that they mentioned the wheel or the coffees out of a fond nod toward the video holds no water with me. But like fancybum said, they were still objectively important to them apart from that one video, and it doesn't detract from the sweetness of their nostalgia at all to me.fancybum wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:05 amI think this is an iffy way of looking at it. I don’t think they’d realistically be giving some kind of special shout out to fans who engage(d) in their unfortunate breach of privacy as some kind of fun thing. Like that those were objectively important things to them is enough of a reason to mention them without feeling the need to censor it just because certain people may think of another place they’ve been mentioned before almost a decade agohello9217 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:33 am How about them talking about Manchester macchiatos and the wheel? They didn't even go on the wheel in the original ditl but the people part of the phandom know fully well how important the wheel and caramel macchiatos are to deppy. There were such subtle shout outs that people in the phandom will truly know what they mean.
These are pretty amusing, if a bit dated.
Dan had already kinda given it away but I love knowing that my prediction was right! I wonder when they're gonna put up the website and how they're going to make sure that only people who are attending a certain show will be able to submit stuff for that show? I'm also glad they've finally shared some more information about what they're gonna be doing on stage! The list:Is there gonna be a website where people can submit stories/requests perhaps?
The wheel did feature, (very briefly but they showed it), in the old Manchester DITL and so did caramel macchiatos. I'm sure they know their own fandom and the connections they will make, and it's great that that didn't stop them, but they were really only recreating the old DITL.coffeepenguin wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:51 pm I didn't took them as shout outs to people who have seen the leaked video specifically, I don't really expect Dan or Phil remember in great details what particular places and events were referenced there, but they must've rewatched the Manchester DITL before filming that part or at least before putting the video together (I'm not very sure about the timeline of them going to Manchester and deciding what they're doing for the video). So they know the wheel didn't feature in it, but it has been a part of the phandom "mythology" as much as the story of how they really met ("stalking him until he loves you"), or going to see Lesters together, or sharing clothes, and they have been increasingly more open about all of those things for the last couple of years. Provided what is shown in the leaked video is true, it feels significant to me that they've addressed it as just another part of their shared history that is important to them, without making a big deal of it, when it's not directly referenced in the Manchester DITL, all while maintaining strict boundaries about actual breaches of privacy and continuing to claim copyright on the video. But anyway, thank you dizzy for getting a copyright complaint for science
You're right of course, as well as noodlebum, I remembered macchiatos, but not the wheel and I was talking specifically about it. I've rewatched the DITL now and I see that the wheel is indeed shown and mentioned there. A part of what I said still stands, I think, but there was definitely no shout out to the vday.malday wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:23 pmThe wheel did feature, (very briefly but they showed it), in the old Manchester DITL and so did caramel macchiatos. I'm sure they know their own fandom and the connections they will make, and it's great that didn't stop them, but they were really only recreating the old DITL.coffeepenguin wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:51 pm I didn't took them as shout outs to people who have seen the leaked video specifically, I don't really expect Dan or Phil remember in great details what particular places and events were referenced there, but they must've rewatched the Manchester DITL before filming that part or at least before putting the video together (I'm not very sure about the timeline of them going to Manchester and deciding what they're doing for the video). So they know the wheel didn't feature in it, but it has been a part of the phandom "mythology" as much as the story of how they really met ("stalking him until he loves you"), or going to see Lesters together, or sharing clothes, and they have been increasingly more open about all of those things for the last couple of years. Provided what is shown in the leaked video is true, it feels significant to me that they've addressed it as just another part of their shared history that is important to them, without making a big deal of it, when it's not directly referenced in the Manchester DITL, all while maintaining strict boundaries about actual breaches of privacy and continuing to claim copyright on the video. But anyway, thank you dizzy for getting a copyright complaint for science
While I don't think he'd look bad because he's just a handsome man, I do think the black is way more striking on him. It's what makes him stand out, it's the color that makes him look the best imo and it's just a lovely contrast with fair skin and blue eyes. I hope he keeps it for much longer, though i know how much of a pain it is to dye your hair and have different brows lol i was red for 7 years and a couple of months ago i tried out a color closer to the natural and while it looks good i don't feel myself and I think that's why Phil is keeping the black, at least for now!LtrllySusan wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:33 pm Terrible screencap but that angle showed the natural roots so well that I couldn't help it...
Someone take my Photoshop licence away pls. jk who has money for photoshop these days