Dan & Phil Part 71: ty ly bb
Thoughts are the girl asked and he said yes but I definitely don’t think it’s something that should be repeated. Dan already looks slightly uncomfortable when people hug him, personal space issues I get it, so to do that just seems a tad rude. Especially if VIPs get an email saying not to do it. Idk I just find it kind of weird. I know other “celebrities” do it all the time, which was the overwhelming argument on twitter, but dnp don’t and have turned it down in the past. I guess my final thought is why would you want to do something that would make your fave uncomfortable?alittledizzy wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 2:35 pm
Thoughts on the girl kissing Dan ~scandal? Think they'll buckle down on that rule today? It was apparently already in the written instructions (for at least one venue, maybe all of them?) but someone was feeling brave anyway.
I’m glad to hear she asked. It’s not much of a scandal imo, but the girl definitely knew she shouldn’t have done it, unfortunately they are always going to have selfish or inconsiderate fans who tend to forget that their “idols” are real people too. If it really bothers them, then I’m sure they will start asking people not to, or for like air kisses or something.hello9217 wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 3:46 pmThoughts are the girl asked and he said yes but I definitely don’t think it’s something that should be repeated. Dan already looks slightly uncomfortable when people hug him, personal space issues I get it, so to do that just seems a tad rude. Especially if VIPs get an email saying not to do it. Idk I just find it kind of weird. I know other “celebrities” do it all the time, which was the overwhelming argument on twitter, but dnp don’t and have turned it down in the past. I guess my final thought is why would you want to do something that would make your fave uncomfortable?alittledizzy wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 2:35 pm
Thoughts on the girl kissing Dan ~scandal? Think they'll buckle down on that rule today? It was apparently already in the written instructions (for at least one venue, maybe all of them?) but someone was feeling brave anyway.
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I think the interesting thing is that they already asked people not to. At least one person has already showed the pre-meet and greet message that specifies no kisses. But I do think Dan and Phil are very, very eager to not have to directly say no to fans and lose some of that 'they love us, they're so nice to us' reputation. Like the girl who asked them to hold her up - they went along with it but from the video it was very obvious it was a matter of them being visibly uncomfortable but caught off guard.Loafer wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 4:05 pmI’m glad to hear she asked. It’s not much of a scandal imo, but the girl definitely knew she shouldn’t have done it, unfortunately they are always going to have selfish or inconsiderate fans who tend to forget that their “idols” are real people too. If it really bothers them, then I’m sure they will start asking people not to, or for like air kisses or something.hello9217 wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 3:46 pmThoughts are the girl asked and he said yes but I definitely don’t think it’s something that should be repeated. Dan already looks slightly uncomfortable when people hug him, personal space issues I get it, so to do that just seems a tad rude. Especially if VIPs get an email saying not to do it. Idk I just find it kind of weird. I know other “celebrities” do it all the time, which was the overwhelming argument on twitter, but dnp don’t and have turned it down in the past. I guess my final thought is why would you want to do something that would make your fave uncomfortable?alittledizzy wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 2:35 pm
Thoughts on the girl kissing Dan ~scandal? Think they'll buckle down on that rule today? It was apparently already in the written instructions (for at least one venue, maybe all of them?) but someone was feeling brave anyway.
That said, yeah, they are adults, if something is too far beyond a line it's ultimately on them to say no. The fact that she apparently asked is why I said ~scandal the way I did, technically speaking there is no scandal. Just another facet of a conversation and sometimes debate fans often have. How much are you entitled to when you're paying for a youtuber's time, and is going the 'ask forgiveness not permission' method (considering it was already against the rules and apparently they asked Dan directly and not Marianne/security) really such a shrug-worthy thing when you're talking about real people even if this isn't the first time (and won't be the last time) that this has happened?
My thoughts are that I didn't know enough about this to have thoughts so I searched twitter. In the photo dnp are both posing and Dan looks as fine with it as he does in any standard M&G photo. If too many fans want to kiss them and Dan and/or Phil aren't comfortable with it (or don't have time) they'll start saying no.hello9217 wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 3:46 pmThoughts are the girl asked and he said yes but I definitely don’t think it’s something that should be repeated. Dan already looks slightly uncomfortable when people hug him, personal space issues I get it, so to do that just seems a tad rude. Especially if VIPs get an email saying not to do it. Idk I just find it kind of weird. I know other “celebrities” do it all the time, which was the overwhelming argument on twitter, but dnp don’t and have turned it down in the past. I guess my final thought is why would you want to do something that would make your fave uncomfortable?alittledizzy wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 2:35 pm
Thoughts on the girl kissing Dan ~scandal? Think they'll buckle down on that rule today? It was apparently already in the written instructions (for at least one venue, maybe all of them?) but someone was feeling brave anyway.
As the fan got a VIP ticket at the event from someone else, she wouldn't have gotten the emails with the 'rules.' Added to that she had Dan's permission to kiss him, I don't think she did anything wrong. Yes, Dan seems uncomfortable in most M&G photos, videos, and so on to me, but he chooses to do them, and my perception that he 'looks' uncomfortable is extremely subjective. I don't expect others to respond to that the way I would, you know?
Phil's playing with the puppy filter on IG stories. Apparently all you need to do is ask @alittledizzy!
a lot of people think that either they're the exception to what a famous person has already said is their boundary or they know the person won't say no, especially in a meet and greet type of session because they don't want to cause a hold up or any kind of fuss. big famous people have the management to jump in and say something isn't allowed so the celebrity can just look apologetic but explaining themselves why they don't want to might not be done well and could cause a bigger twitter fuss about being rudehello9217 wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 3:46 pmThoughts are the girl asked and he said yes but I definitely don’t think it’s something that should be repeated. Dan already looks slightly uncomfortable when people hug him, personal space issues I get it, so to do that just seems a tad rude. Especially if VIPs get an email saying not to do it. Idk I just find it kind of weird. I know other “celebrities” do it all the time, which was the overwhelming argument on twitter, but dnp don’t and have turned it down in the past. I guess my final thought is why would you want to do something that would make your fave uncomfortable?alittledizzy wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 2:35 pm
Thoughts on the girl kissing Dan ~scandal? Think they'll buckle down on that rule today? It was apparently already in the written instructions (for at least one venue, maybe all of them?) but someone was feeling brave anyway.
my name is jaejmine masters and i have something to say. dan and phil have fucked up japan
phil lester threw the first brick at stonewall, we love a queer icon
phil lester threw the first brick at stonewall, we love a queer icon
She asked and he consented to it and they have apparently already said no when a fan asked if they could kiss their cheek, so I think it's all fine in this case and they are capable of rejecting a request. However, I do hope it won't get repeated because the fact that at least one venue told VIP's not to kiss D&P does tell me they're not entirely comfortable with it. The email I got doesn't say anything about not kissing them though
The first show has 281 out of 1491 tickets left and the second one 303, so that's around 80% of tickets sold in both cases.
what photo are y'all talking about?
also how does someone say 'no' to that in a way that won't offend the fan? i just want everyone to keep their mouths off stranger's faces in a rushed setting where there's hardly any time for negotiation.
also how does someone say 'no' to that in a way that won't offend the fan? i just want everyone to keep their mouths off stranger's faces in a rushed setting where there's hardly any time for negotiation.
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I don't really understand the fuss about this. If people with VIP tickets get an email about the rules of the m&g, they should accept them and behave accordingly. If someone sells a VIP ticket, it should be their bloody responsibility to inform the buyer about the details. I'm sure this was a lesson for everybody, next time they'll be more careful, including the fans, the crew of the venue and Dan and Phil themselves, too.
I feel like in a M&G, you can be expected to have people who want you to do uncomfortable poses—including people who want kisses/them to kiss you/whatever, and I think it's the people getting met's (the celebrities/public figures/whatever the politically correct word is for important people) responsibility to set those boundaries.
Personally I wouldn't ask for something like that, but I would expect for it to be asked. If that made Deppy uncomfortable I hope they can make it clear that that's not okay in future.
Personally I wouldn't ask for something like that, but I would expect for it to be asked. If that made Deppy uncomfortable I hope they can make it clear that that's not okay in future.
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She’s like the Queen. I’m also hoping for pics or a story. I heard Phil’s dad is there too this time. Lol at your ficlet @ratlad
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ok i have a lot of thoughts on the kiss situation and i’m on mobile so please forgive any typos.
if dan is uncomfortable with fans kissing him, he should absolutely say no. i’ve said this before and i’ll say it again that it’s clear to me how uncomfortable dan is with hugs and i wish he’d just be up-front about it. plenty of celebrities don’t even allow hugs, let alone kisses, so he’d be well within his right to cut that off. neither of them owe us any form of physical contact. and i wish dan knew that. sure some people would be upset but?? people would get over it, i’m sure. if a stranger came up to you and asked for a hug would you say yes? probably not. yes we’re his viewers and he appreciates us but at the same time, as individuals, we’re perfect strangers to him.
on the other hand, san definitely shouldn’t be letting certain fans kiss him and saying no to others. that’s just going to cause drama.
basically, i wish he would set a clear boundary that he is comfortable with, for no ones sake but his own, and stick to it.
of course, i also think that if there are outlined rules that say no kissing, it’s rrally rude and inconsiderate to try anyway. how can you say you respect someone and then try to get them to do something you know they’re uncomfortable with simply out of guilt? kind of gross behavior, imo.
if dan is uncomfortable with fans kissing him, he should absolutely say no. i’ve said this before and i’ll say it again that it’s clear to me how uncomfortable dan is with hugs and i wish he’d just be up-front about it. plenty of celebrities don’t even allow hugs, let alone kisses, so he’d be well within his right to cut that off. neither of them owe us any form of physical contact. and i wish dan knew that. sure some people would be upset but?? people would get over it, i’m sure. if a stranger came up to you and asked for a hug would you say yes? probably not. yes we’re his viewers and he appreciates us but at the same time, as individuals, we’re perfect strangers to him.
on the other hand, san definitely shouldn’t be letting certain fans kiss him and saying no to others. that’s just going to cause drama.
basically, i wish he would set a clear boundary that he is comfortable with, for no ones sake but his own, and stick to it.
of course, i also think that if there are outlined rules that say no kissing, it’s rrally rude and inconsiderate to try anyway. how can you say you respect someone and then try to get them to do something you know they’re uncomfortable with simply out of guilt? kind of gross behavior, imo.
how is denying a kiss from a stranger offensive? physical contact comfort levels aside, dan and phil are on a world tour right now. plenty of celebrities deny kisses on the basis of possible illness alone. if they were to come down with something it would be incredibly inconvenient. and if their fans can’t understand these reasons and are still ‘offended’, maybe they’re not mature enough to be meeting their faves? i don’t think offending them by saying no should be a reason to say yes since being offended by that isn’t really warranted.
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ohmygod that mini fic @ratlad ...i too want to sacrifice my 25 minutes to make a fanart for that but my sorry ass is still at work rn so maybe when i get back home
honestly i feel like people just need to remember that consent is a mutual thing, but at the same time, its not just extreme black and white. sadly, "firmly and politely saying no" is a skill that takes time to master. with the theme of "giving the people what they want", i know the boys might be having a hard time to say no to fans, but yall....they need to set firm limits otherwise it just wont stop. many people may take advantage of someones kindness, tho they may not be aware. not to say that fans are doing it to deppy, but yeah...it does happen to people in general. when people see one person gets to do it, it takes one second for another to go "hey, they said yes to them so why not to me? thats unfair"
i feel that people should try to respect their boundaries regardless especially when theyve clearly stated it on the rules for the vip meetups. if the girl asked beforehand, and they agreed to it, theres nothing that we can really do. its really no ones fault entirely...but collectively, we should just try to be aware of our actions.
honestly i feel like people just need to remember that consent is a mutual thing, but at the same time, its not just extreme black and white. sadly, "firmly and politely saying no" is a skill that takes time to master. with the theme of "giving the people what they want", i know the boys might be having a hard time to say no to fans, but yall....they need to set firm limits otherwise it just wont stop. many people may take advantage of someones kindness, tho they may not be aware. not to say that fans are doing it to deppy, but yeah...it does happen to people in general. when people see one person gets to do it, it takes one second for another to go "hey, they said yes to them so why not to me? thats unfair"
i feel that people should try to respect their boundaries regardless especially when theyve clearly stated it on the rules for the vip meetups. if the girl asked beforehand, and they agreed to it, theres nothing that we can really do. its really no ones fault entirely...but collectively, we should just try to be aware of our actions.
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Tin foil hat on: who took the latest pic of Dan and Phil?
My theory is Hazel
My theory is Hazel
Speedygonz33 wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 10:25 pm Tin foil hat on: who took the latest pic of Dan and Phil?
My theory is Hazel
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I'm sorry, who is Hazel? I'm assuming that you are not talking about Hazel Heyes.
honest to god I could not be Dan and Phil. If someone tried to kiss me (and im v physically affectionate - I like cuddles, have been compared to a golden retriever a few times) I think my reflex would be to punch them. If someone ASKED to kiss me, my reaction would be similar. Even before I got with my girlfriend it was a very distinct boundary that I'm uncomfortable with. I honestly could not do M&Gs, I think i'd have to walk through sheep dip everyday and burn my clothes to get through it.
Also off topic but seeing D&P in Ireland with taytos (my favourite crisps on the planet) and Guinness is making me miss Ireland to the extent that theres a strong possibility i'm flying to Dublin next week. I will totally be stocking up on taytos and Cadburys Golden Crisp if it works out.
And this is my daily request for a new Dan video. More trying to live your truth please. I'm trying to live mine and failing miserably and need that spiritual Dan Howell guidance.
sorry for the ramble, i've taken a sleeping tablet because my insomnia is out of hand and i'm waiting for it to kick in
Also off topic but seeing D&P in Ireland with taytos (my favourite crisps on the planet) and Guinness is making me miss Ireland to the extent that theres a strong possibility i'm flying to Dublin next week. I will totally be stocking up on taytos and Cadburys Golden Crisp if it works out.
And this is my daily request for a new Dan video. More trying to live your truth please. I'm trying to live mine and failing miserably and need that spiritual Dan Howell guidance.
sorry for the ramble, i've taken a sleeping tablet because my insomnia is out of hand and i'm waiting for it to kick in
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