Dan & Phil Part 73: my furry bf

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Ok I should definitely be asleep right now :o but two things I absolutely adored in the livestream (when I was finally able to see the whole thing tysm):

1: Phil's merch says 'phil' on it in wingdings!! :bloom: lol 'bloom' thx Troye fvr ruined :bigthumbsup: and both boys seemed really proud of their collective merch and ideas, yay confidence!

2: Dan was SO SOFT AND FOND talking about his birthday and the candle! That entire exchange was so adorable and I weirdly teared up a little. <3 :love2: :happytears:

Bonus: Dan praising Janelle Monae. Yaas Queen :stan: That woman has helped me so much become more comfortable with my yet to be labelled, non-straight sexuality :prideheart2:
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okay, when i started these this video was the only one currently online so this is what my timestamps are based on:
:16 - Phil is happy to be home. The houseplants are dead because their friends didn't come by and water them.
1:10 - Fortnite on Switch. They've got a lot to do but they've made time for Fortnite.
1:22 - Phil does not play Fortnite naked on the couch. Sure, Phil. We believe you.
D: Apparently I implied that Phil plays Fortnite with his wang out on the couch.
P: I don't! I might have played it in my boxers on a hot day. But that's perfectly fine. I wouldn't like-
D: We have aircon, you have no excuse for that.
P: -rub my ass all over the sofa. [demonstrates the aforementioned ass rubbing that he does not do]
D: Oh, good to know, like a dog you're not just rubbing your ass all over the sofa while playing Fortnite.
P: I thought I'd clarify.
2:22 - Dan says that's not the worst thing that's happened on tour, then they turn into glitchy robot people.
2:51 - Phil's review of the show: "It's really fun! Five stars. Come see us."
3:50 - They have fun judging which audiences hate which of them.
4:27 - Phil is hyped for the pancakes. Good to know old brandings never die.
4:33 - Dan only needs a laptop, wifi, and two pairs of underwear. Phil questions the underwear amount. "You can only turn them inside out and back to front twice." Dan reminds him that washing clothes is a thing that's possible.
5:06 - Phil starts talking about how his hair has just been cut and dyed, and their robot programming suffers another glitch and/or reboot. (They switch from Dan's phone to a computer.)
6:14 - Dan freaks out about what he's gonna do without mobile data for ten days.
6:46 - Dan shows off the bendy selfie stick he got, then yells at us for using all his mobile data again.
7:06 - Phil doesn't care about Dan's (data) package, but he is excited about Dan having to replace his FBI deterrant sticker.
7:16 - Phil makes a dumb joke and Dan does that loud happy laugh.
7:36 - Phil returns to talking about the only thing I care about, which is his new hair.
7:45 - Phil bought hair was because he thought it woudl make him look like Shawn Mendes. Spoiler: it does not. It is just normal hair wax.
8:04 - Dan reassures Phil that everyone loves him even if he can't use the guitar, in that 'I'm saying something sincere and it makes me uncomfotable but I'm midway through the sentence so I have to see this through now' Dan voice.
8:22 - IHOB Bancakes discourse. Phil thinks it's a just bad marketing campaign. (Talk business to me some more, Lester. I can work with that.)
8:57 - Phil is not here for your fucking burgers, IHOB. He's getting some motherfucking pancakes.
9:10 - Dan is a philth apologist. Don't waste your breath, Dan. We know you just want to keep Phil's dirty jokes to yourself. We've had a taste now. There's no going back.
9:36 - Phil thinks the worst thing he said was in Germany, and it involved sausages and mouths. Dan pretends to not remember, or maybe he really doesn't remember, who knows. Maybe Phil talks about sausages going in his mouth on a daily basis and Dan just can't be bothered to keep track anymore.
9:43 - Dan makes a wanking gesture while talking about Phil and sausages in Phil's mouth.
9:55 - DanAndPhilSTYLE clothes haul. They are very, very excited about coordinating with their graphic design, and each other.
10:44 - Dan accidentally showed us his danussy. Thanks, I hate it.
11:42 - Phil critiques Dan's red and black tank top. The closest he can get to a compliment is to acknowledge that it matches the branding of the show.
12:05 - Phil tells Dan to watch those nips, can't show those.
12:45 - Phil shows his new sunglasses off; Dan tries to be sarcastic but then just ends up complimenting Phil anyway.
12:51 - "Anyway, I was saying, someone whose name I didn't read because you talked over me-" Dan. Dan. Dan Howell. Are you really. Gonna complain. That someone else. Talked over you. Mister I Will Talk For Three Minutes Without Taking a Breath. Shush.
12:56 - Trailer talk! It's comin'.
14:08 - TBC dates. They're still trying to get them.
15:40 - Dan accidentally says danisnotonfire and has a melodramatic reaction which whatever but the important part here is how fucking cute Phil sounds when he says, "What? What did you say?" in a concerned and slightly alarmed voice.
17:09 - They've got some games filmed and they're gonna film some more on le road. They're getting a new laptop for tour bus gaming.
17:38 - Promo for the US venue concerts.
18:43 - "Europe was a lot."
19:03 - First show in Brighton resulted in lots of drunken women wanting Phil's body and wolf whistling and leering at him. It was fun for Dan, traumatizing for Phil.
20:22 - The Poo Room, followed by the spider incident. I know Dan's talking here but Phil does a really sexy thing where he pushes his fingers through his hair, and I'm here for it.
21:57 - Dan gets defensive when he feels like Phil is about to insult his laptop.
22:00 - Phil implies Dan keeps porn on his laptop. I mean, Phil's exact words were, "weird stuff" but we can read between the lines.
22:07 - Phil merch chat! They talk about the dodgy bush photoshoot in Edinburgh. Phil had a vision.
22:56 - A subscriber was walking some dogs and saw Dan and Phil hopping out of a bush pulling their trousers up. They both acknowledge that it didn't look good, but are very insistent it was just a merch photoshoot. (A little... too insistent...)
24:15 - Phil says it was worth it for the merch.
25:10 - Russia with no technology was a challenge. Phil went into shakes; does not want a technology detox, wants the opposite. Shove the technology into his brain.
25:41 - Dan and Phil both go deeply into detail about how sweaty Dan is, complete with Phil singing a big band standard style ode to Dan's sweat and calling Dan's arms a water feature.
27:00 - Some good ole' fashioned ticket spon. Buy tickets to the Philly show, help fund Phil's next expensive candle gift.
27:57 - "We have so much to do in the next day, and then we're on a plane again."
28:27 - They are going to eat a firework and throw some bbq in the air for the 4th of July.
28:44 - Interlude to discuss angsty/aggressive seagulls. One tried to steal Phil's chips. Those are brave birds, I would not come between Phil Lester and his food.
29:07 - Okay real talk I feel like Dan's insistance that people leave him nice comments on the trailer video is just Dan still being haunted by the awful reception of the last (book/) tour trailer video he did.
29:25 - TBC TBC
29:28 - Dan video in the next day or so.
30:04 - He was gonna paint his nails then he got scared and wiped it off.
30:11 - Phil insists he could paint Dan's nails.
30:33 - Westworld; episode eight made Phil cry.
30:55 - "But more imporantly, Queer Eye is back." Phil, a legend.
31:03 - Phil has to decide when he's ready for a happy cry; does he want an emotional release?
31:37 - Lots of horror films they haven't seen. Want to see Hereditary, didn't see The Quiet Place. Dan would not have liked people being loud in The Quiet Place.
31:54 - Sneak peek of Phil's merch. Dan spons II merch while Phil gets his hoodie.
33:47 - More Dan stuff after Phil's.
33:54 - One of the objects Dan's working on he's been prototyping since 2014.
34:49 - Rize next time, they explain the giveaway and give details.
35:26 - Phil starts singing Sophie and Dan looks embarrassed that way parents are embarrassed because they taught their kid how to do something funny at home but then the kid just starts doing it randomly in public and everyone definitely knows the parent is the one that encouraged that.
35:56 - They're hoping to do a Rize once a week.
36:14 - If Rize doesn't work next week, they'll just jump on YouNow. So basically like, see you on YouNow next week, guys.
36:46 - Dan is surprised people at the meet and greet are older.
37:47 - Because of Phil's mouth, they should be needing to convince people they're not too young for the show.
38:17 - They bicker about whether the trailer will be spoilery or not. Phil says it's like a Marvel trailer.
39:00 - Dan sends Phil to get what Phil got Dan for his birthday. Dan waxes poetic about how perfect it is. Normally Phil buys Dan like three things, but this time he got Dan a single more expensive thing.
40:04 - "This is the only thing I want. It's literally the only thing I want."
40:12 - Phil also got Dan some chocolate, but they ate it. (Dan clarifies that Phil ate most of it.)
40:16 - Dan says he nearly cried at the gift.
40:39 - Phil's next video did not go into subscription boxes. It was definitely a youtube glitch, they came with references.
40:59 - American themed videos to come.
41:15 - Dan commits to a max of (1) non-tour-trailer video between now and September.
41:38 - Dan says thank you love you bye bye as he scoots on that backwards trajectory, cursing our long memories the entire time
41:45 - Watch this space for the next Sims video; they've already made it.
42:07 - Dan and Evan are gonna bone, and Dan says happy pride month.
42:22 - They're hungry and put the responsibility of Chinese or Indian on us.
42:42 - They're enjoying IG stories but Phil's not here for shading Twitter.
43:26 - Phil starts singing American Boy. Dan: "What have I done to this person?"
43:37 - Dan says, "We aren't talking at the moment." meaning him and Kanye but Phil misses the Kanye reference and says in the tiniest most hurt voice ever, "Why aren't we talking?"
43:45 - Phil suddenly gets it. Dan shouty-splains something Phil clearly already knows.
44:17 - Phil: "Kanye is canceled. Listen to Sophie." Dan tries to fold in on himself in a way that's not humanly possible.
44:37 - Phil tummy rumbles. Give the man some fried rice.
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10/10 liveshow, my crops have been watered and my heart is full. Still not a huge fan of the Phil merch, but his excitement over it makes me really proud.
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that end of the liveshow kanye moment was so cute because phil's voice went so soft when he said "why aren't we talking?" and dan said "not us" and ahhh :garbage:
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we gotta have idb mid name change 2.0, correct it to "my furry best friend" or "my furry best fiends"
it was a #spon all along, capita£ester was behind this all along. it's going to be sponning the entire tour once rize dies next week for good. it's subliminal, it's a sham.
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I have now watched this back far too many times. It does not get less cute, I can confirm.

It’s interesting to watch the LS with the chat beside it, as you can sort of see what they respond to and what they don’t. The most notable thing I took away from that was as soon as the chat started to harass Dan about the meaning of ‘bb’ Phil, master of PR, gets everyone to write into the chat what type of food they should order.

They’ve learned a thing or two in all those years of livestreaming. Hoping that translates over to Rise when they only get one message at a time. I trust Phil to talk about food for 45 minutes if he doesn’t feel like responding to prompts. Dan, not so much. Just one more reason I’m thankful they have a joint account on Rise. (Let’s be honest, the main reason is I like their bants and squished togetherness.)
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Goooooooood morning!

Do you know what this is?

This post is Sparkles :rainbowsparkle: daily request for a new dinof video

Now featuring rainbow sparkles because it's the closest we'll ever get to the speculated sexuality video :tu:

(I've also just had my first ever 'im paying for this' therapy appointment and it would be nice to have my request answered)
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today is a perfect day to upload the trailer... please dan.
then 2 days later they can upload a gaming vid.... please.
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Gosh, I'm glad someone recorded the liveshow because it was extremely laggy for me yesterday. Like we all expected, Rize didn't work but hopefully next week it will...

I'm glad D&P addressed the TBC dates, even when they still don't know whether they can actually go to Brazil and Mexico yet, though I didn't hear anything about Montreal. Also good to hear they've got loads of gaming videos prepared (series??), the story about those drunk women was hilarious, the birthday gift part was very cute, as well as them being excited about their new clothes & Phil's merch and I'm looking forward to the next Sims video!

"Thank you love you bye bye", told you so!

I gotta say, I was rather surprised to hear Dan saying he's been working hard on the trailer, considering it seemed like Mark had been busy editing it a little over a month ago. Not gonna lie, I'm a bit disappointed that's gonna be the next DINOF video and that he hasn't started working on another one yet. Not disappointed in Dan, just kind of in general because I was really hoping for a nice solo Dan video soon and while I'm curious to see the trailer, it's not really targeted at me since I've already seen the show. Idk he spoke about his channel in quite a nonchalant way, saying there were videos he wanted to film and he doesn't know whether he'll do them now or when he gets back from the tour in September. And then he said he'll try to film something while he's home and upload it in the next couple weeks and do some idea shuffling. I understand the tour is his priority now but it sounds as if he's become a bit indifferent towards his channel with everything being up in the air like this and seemingly not going through with whatever idea he had for the "June video". Oh well :shrug:
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dancy wrote: Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:00 pm I gotta say, I was rather surprised to hear Dan saying he's been working hard on the trailer, considering it seemed like Mark had been busy editing it a little over a month ago. Not gonna lie, I'm a bit disappointed that's gonna be the next DINOF video and that he hasn't started working on another one yet. Not disappointed in Dan, just kind of in general because I was really hoping for a nice solo Dan video soon and while I'm curious to see the trailer, it's not really targeted at me since I've already seen the show. Idk he spoke about his channel in quite a nonchalant way, saying there were videos he wanted to film and he doesn't know whether he'll do them now or when he gets back from the tour in September. And then he said he'll try to film something while he's home and upload it in the next couple weeks and do some idea shuffling. I understand the tour is his priority now but it sounds as if he's become a bit indifferent towards his channel with everything being up in the air like this and seemingly not going through with whatever idea he had for the "June video". Oh well :shrug:
honestly, im not surprised but im not disappointed. hes being pretty transparent with us, especially with how he was wanting affirmance from us that the trailer is well edited (whenever it comes out). dans always been a perfectionist so im not surprised hed push back "the june (now probably september) video" later in the year in favour of just how the theme flows. it DOES make a lot more sense for the trailer to be the next one on the pipeline since they have been talking about the tour in his last video. then he said something about possibly filming something quick and easy for now since they are back home and wont be for a while. i feel like its not that hes "indifferent" about it, its more of him taking charge over his creative flow. im speaking as someone who draws and had been posting my art on the internet for years, it took me a while to get out of the "i NEED to draw because thats what everybody expects from me and i feel like im a failure if i dont" mentality. to me, it seems like dans just not letting that kind of mentality win over him because if you let it, itll just make you hate whatever you made thinking that its not good enough. im waffling but i hope im not alone with this opinion (anyone writing fanfics or drawing fanarts out there? whats your thoughts?)

tbh, i think the fact that phil is there helps a lot because they can easily do damage control and help each other out in a casual manner, also they just bring each others mood up tbh. ive always like joint ls cz the atmosphere is a lot happier.
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The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that no longer holding himself to a regimented monthly posting schedule is part of Dan living his truth. I think he gets a lot of enjoyment out of filming with Phil and that joint content is less stressful and feels like less pressure, and that maybe he's reached a point where he's aware that they can sustain their little youtube empire without a regularly scheduled dinof video and he's allowing himself to just post dinof when he wants without feeling bad about it.
ratlad wrote: Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:33 am today is a perfect day to upload the trailer... please dan.
then 2 days later they can upload a gaming vid.... please.
I think during the liveshow he said he'd upload it Friday.
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ame wrote: Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:03 pm
dancy wrote: Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:00 pm I gotta say, I was rather surprised to hear Dan saying he's been working hard on the trailer, considering it seemed like Mark had been busy editing it a little over a month ago. Not gonna lie, I'm a bit disappointed that's gonna be the next DINOF video and that he hasn't started working on another one yet. Not disappointed in Dan, just kind of in general because I was really hoping for a nice solo Dan video soon and while I'm curious to see the trailer, it's not really targeted at me since I've already seen the show. Idk he spoke about his channel in quite a nonchalant way, saying there were videos he wanted to film and he doesn't know whether he'll do them now or when he gets back from the tour in September. And then he said he'll try to film something while he's home and upload it in the next couple weeks and do some idea shuffling. I understand the tour is his priority now but it sounds as if he's become a bit indifferent towards his channel with everything being up in the air like this and seemingly not going through with whatever idea he had for the "June video". Oh well :shrug:
honestly, im not surprised but im not disappointed. hes being pretty transparent with us, especially with how he was wanting affirmance from us that the trailer is well edited (whenever it comes out). dans always been a perfectionist so im not surprised hed push back "the june (now probably september) video" later in the year in favour of just how the theme flows. it DOES make a lot more sense for the trailer to be the next one on the pipeline since they have been talking about the tour in his last video. then he said something about possibly filming something quick and easy for now since they are back home and wont be for a while. i feel like its not that hes "indifferent" about it, its more of him taking charge over his creative flow. im speaking as someone who draws and had been posting my art on the internet for years, it took me a while to get out of the "i NEED to draw because thats what everybody expects from me and i feel like im a failure if i dont" mentality. to me, it seems like dans just not letting that kind of mentality win over him because if you let it, itll just make you hate whatever you made thinking that its not good enough. im waffling but i hope im not alone with this opinion (anyone writing fanfics or drawing fanarts out there? whats your thoughts?)

tbh, i think the fact that phil is there helps a lot because they can easily do damage control and help each other out in a casual manner, also they just bring each others mood up tbh. ive always like joint ls cz the atmosphere is a lot happier.
Not saying I disagree, Dan and Phil are self employed and have complete control over what they do. If Dan wants to film a video every two months so be it, they're still swimming in money anyway and will be for a long while, even if their videos are getting less views than they used to. But I think there's a difference between having a creative hobby and having a creative job. I do understand you, I used to write a lot when I was a teenager (not fanfic, but still) but I gradually stopped and now it's been almost a decade since I last wrote. For us plebs who are not rich af and self employed, there are different rules for jobs and hobbies. Sometimes I don't feel like doing my job, and while much less creative than Dan's, it still involves a bit of creativity. I'm just waffling and this is not criticism, plus I know they're on tour and all, and we're still getting videos, but deep deep down I feel we're cutting him too much slack.
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annetamiau wrote: Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:07 pm
ame wrote: Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:03 pm
dancy wrote: Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:00 pm I gotta say, I was rather surprised to hear Dan saying he's been working hard on the trailer, considering it seemed like Mark had been busy editing it a little over a month ago. Not gonna lie, I'm a bit disappointed that's gonna be the next DINOF video and that he hasn't started working on another one yet. Not disappointed in Dan, just kind of in general because I was really hoping for a nice solo Dan video soon and while I'm curious to see the trailer, it's not really targeted at me since I've already seen the show. Idk he spoke about his channel in quite a nonchalant way, saying there were videos he wanted to film and he doesn't know whether he'll do them now or when he gets back from the tour in September. And then he said he'll try to film something while he's home and upload it in the next couple weeks and do some idea shuffling. I understand the tour is his priority now but it sounds as if he's become a bit indifferent towards his channel with everything being up in the air like this and seemingly not going through with whatever idea he had for the "June video". Oh well :shrug:
honestly, im not surprised but im not disappointed. hes being pretty transparent with us, especially with how he was wanting affirmance from us that the trailer is well edited (whenever it comes out). dans always been a perfectionist so im not surprised hed push back "the june (now probably september) video" later in the year in favour of just how the theme flows. it DOES make a lot more sense for the trailer to be the next one on the pipeline since they have been talking about the tour in his last video. then he said something about possibly filming something quick and easy for now since they are back home and wont be for a while. i feel like its not that hes "indifferent" about it, its more of him taking charge over his creative flow. im speaking as someone who draws and had been posting my art on the internet for years, it took me a while to get out of the "i NEED to draw because thats what everybody expects from me and i feel like im a failure if i dont" mentality. to me, it seems like dans just not letting that kind of mentality win over him because if you let it, itll just make you hate whatever you made thinking that its not good enough. im waffling but i hope im not alone with this opinion (anyone writing fanfics or drawing fanarts out there? whats your thoughts?)

tbh, i think the fact that phil is there helps a lot because they can easily do damage control and help each other out in a casual manner, also they just bring each others mood up tbh. ive always like joint ls cz the atmosphere is a lot happier.
Not saying I disagree, Dan and Phil are self employed and have complete control over what they do. If Dan wants to film a video every two months so be it, they're still swimming in money anyway and will be for a long while, even if their videos are getting less views than they used to. But I think there's a difference between having a creative hobby and having a creative job. I do understand you, I used to write a lot when I was a teenager (not fanfic, but still) but I gradually stopped and now it's been almost a decade since I last wrote. For us plebs who are not rich af and self employed, there are different rules for jobs and hobbies. Sometimes I don't feel like doing my job, and while much less creative than Dan's, it still involves a bit of creativity. I'm just waffling and this is not criticism, plus I know they're on tour and all, and we're still getting videos, but deep deep down I feel we're cutting him too much slack.
I think that's an interesting looking at it, but I also think you have to make a delineation between 'it's his job' and 'it's his job, and he's self employed.' If someone loves art and is a professional artist, then they can actually choose to stop focusing on one project and instead focus on another. A professional published writer can actually have multiple novels in progress and choose to backburner one of them for lack of inspiration. If he were a video creator or editor who worked for a company and was paid a wage, he'd be bound to the same responsibilities as you or I - but he's not. Instead of a commission or service-based job where someone is paying him specifically to do or create a certain thing, the way Dan's career is set up is that he gets to do what he wants and gets paid for whatever he puts out.

And to some extent the market (us) can decide if we approve of this or not, by choosing to care/watch or not care/watch when he does post - but to date, people do still reward him when he does post. He's one of a not-high number of youtubers that hit their peak of popularity the same time Dan did and still easily pull 40-50% of their subscriber count in views every time they post.
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alittledizzy wrote: Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:22 pm
annetamiau wrote: Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:07 pm
ame wrote: Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:03 pm
dancy wrote: Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:00 pm I gotta say, I was rather surprised to hear Dan saying he's been working hard on the trailer, considering it seemed like Mark had been busy editing it a little over a month ago. Not gonna lie, I'm a bit disappointed that's gonna be the next DINOF video and that he hasn't started working on another one yet. Not disappointed in Dan, just kind of in general because I was really hoping for a nice solo Dan video soon and while I'm curious to see the trailer, it's not really targeted at me since I've already seen the show. Idk he spoke about his channel in quite a nonchalant way, saying there were videos he wanted to film and he doesn't know whether he'll do them now or when he gets back from the tour in September. And then he said he'll try to film something while he's home and upload it in the next couple weeks and do some idea shuffling. I understand the tour is his priority now but it sounds as if he's become a bit indifferent towards his channel with everything being up in the air like this and seemingly not going through with whatever idea he had for the "June video". Oh well :shrug:
honestly, im not surprised but im not disappointed. hes being pretty transparent with us, especially with how he was wanting affirmance from us that the trailer is well edited (whenever it comes out). dans always been a perfectionist so im not surprised hed push back "the june (now probably september) video" later in the year in favour of just how the theme flows. it DOES make a lot more sense for the trailer to be the next one on the pipeline since they have been talking about the tour in his last video. then he said something about possibly filming something quick and easy for now since they are back home and wont be for a while. i feel like its not that hes "indifferent" about it, its more of him taking charge over his creative flow. im speaking as someone who draws and had been posting my art on the internet for years, it took me a while to get out of the "i NEED to draw because thats what everybody expects from me and i feel like im a failure if i dont" mentality. to me, it seems like dans just not letting that kind of mentality win over him because if you let it, itll just make you hate whatever you made thinking that its not good enough. im waffling but i hope im not alone with this opinion (anyone writing fanfics or drawing fanarts out there? whats your thoughts?)

tbh, i think the fact that phil is there helps a lot because they can easily do damage control and help each other out in a casual manner, also they just bring each others mood up tbh. ive always like joint ls cz the atmosphere is a lot happier.
Not saying I disagree, Dan and Phil are self employed and have complete control over what they do. If Dan wants to film a video every two months so be it, they're still swimming in money anyway and will be for a long while, even if their videos are getting less views than they used to. But I think there's a difference between having a creative hobby and having a creative job. I do understand you, I used to write a lot when I was a teenager (not fanfic, but still) but I gradually stopped and now it's been almost a decade since I last wrote. For us plebs who are not rich af and self employed, there are different rules for jobs and hobbies. Sometimes I don't feel like doing my job, and while much less creative than Dan's, it still involves a bit of creativity. I'm just waffling and this is not criticism, plus I know they're on tour and all, and we're still getting videos, but deep deep down I feel we're cutting him too much slack.
I think that's an interesting looking at it, but I also think you have to make a delineation between 'it's his job' and 'it's his job, and he's self employed.' If someone loves art and is a professional artist, then they can actually choose to stop focusing on one project and instead focus on another. A professional published writer can actually have multiple novels in progress and choose to backburner one of them for lack of inspiration. If he were a video creator or editor who worked for a company and was paid a wage, he'd be bound to the same responsibilities as you or I - but he's not. Instead of a commission or service-based job where someone is paying him specifically to do or create a certain thing, the way Dan's career is set up is that he gets to do what he wants and gets paid for whatever he puts out.

And to some extent the market (us) can decide if we approve of this or not, by choosing to care/watch or not care/watch when he does post - but to date, people do still reward him when he does post. He's one of a not-high number of youtubers that hit their peak of popularity the same time Dan did and still easily pull 40-50% of their subscriber count in views every time they post.

I completely agree with everything you said, I think the key here is that he is self employed. Dan is definitely working on various projects at the same time (tour, gaming channel, and possibly other projects that he hasn't talked about) and successfully so. Business wise he's doing things the right way, no doubt. The 'we're cutting him too much slack' feeling is not based on anything tangible, but I can't shake it off completely.
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annetamiau wrote: Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:07 pm I know they're on tour and all, and we're still getting videos, but deep deep down I feel we're cutting him too much slack.
Same tbh. Yes, they're on tour and yes, they're probably handling who knows what behind the scenes, but videos are what the world outside sees. So maybe Dan should shift his focus more towards the actual dinofs.
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I'd like to express my concern that Dan can apparently say "I just showed you my danussy" and we, collectively as a fandom, respond PHIL MERCH HI DAN PAINT YOUR NAILS

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Honestly, these two men manage to be the cutest and also the crudest entertainers I've ever loved.

I tentatively disagree that we're cutting Dan too much slack. What would it look like to cut him less slack? More daily requests for dinofs? A twitter campaign? Because it seems to me the more Dan is pressured to do something, the less likely he is to do it.
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watsonian wrote: Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:00 pm I'd like to express my concern that Dan can apparently say "I just showed you my danussy" and we, collectively as a fandom, respond PHIL MERCH HI DAN PAINT YOUR NAILS

:shrug:

Honestly, these two men manage to be the cutest and also the crudest entertainers I've ever loved.

I tentatively disagree that we're cutting Dan too much slack. What it would look like to cut him less slack? More daily requests for dinofs? A twitter campaign? Because it seems to me the more Dan is pressured to do something, the less likely he is to do it.
I'm referring to the attitude we (the fans) have towards the fact that he's uploaded three times this year (on his main channel), if that makes sense. At the end of the day he's a successful, self employed businessman and he can do what he wants, but uploading three videos in almost seven months isn't the norm for a professional youtuber.
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I personally don't mind that their isn't a dinof simply because of the drama that comes with every Dan video. The tour has been nice and all of the content we've gotten so far has been really fun so I'm personally satisfied with that.
As far as cutting them slack - I think we do probably cut them both too much slack but that isn't exclusive to the tour. DnP are self-employed but their income does come from their fans so they should have a more reliable schedule. I think what's hindering them is that they don't have to upload anything because they don't need to make videos to survive whereas a lot of people still see them as two relatable chaps when they really are living a completely different life than many of us. They are just better at hiding it than a lot of youtubers.

I'll be interested to see what will happen after the tour is over. If Dan really is serious about expanding his channel he will have to work out a way to upload more frequently and he'll have to come up with content that isn't as lazy as isg or meme videos.
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I think there's always bound to be a certain disconnect between audiences and creators when large scale projects like this tour take up so many resources in terms of time management and energy, even without such projects I think it's to be expected. I have two accounts where I upload art/writing and I can't balance maintaining a constant presence online with the responsibilities and demands of my life offline. I try to make whatever I do share something either meaningful or enjoyable enough to compensate for the long absences in between, but even then I know there's going to be discontent regarding how long I've taken to show myself, so to speak, but that's a schedule which works best for me or is healthiest for my own wellbeing even if follower counts and feedback in likes or comments takes a dive because of it. But I also understand it's a casual conceit in comparison to two people who have made social media their career on a much larger scale than my small drabbles where audience engagement or lack thereof directly impacts them in a more detrimental way, professionally and personally.

At the same time I still don't understand how they balance the demands of their own lives with those of their audience and I mean when it comes to the colloquial phrase "giving the people what they want" while being aware of the further underlying demands for consistency and frequency behind those appeals. How costly is it for them to be constantly 'on their game' while also tending to the day to day itinerary of things which need addressing from the full spectrum of all things emotional, familial and financial?

I'm probably projecting my own struggle to be more present with others and myself in a way which feels true and comfortable to me, but it leaves me wondering where's the cutoff point? Especially when people begin to want more than you can reasonably offer at the moment, for any number of reasons, when the productivity and accomplishments of your peers is used as a barometer for how you're expected to manage your own creative/professional output as a self employed artist/creator/influencer (whichever the technical term is.)
In that sense, I commend them for how they've managed their online presence thus far even with the long waits between uploads or liveshows. I keep looking at it from the perspective of watching not a production company but two people finding the best ways to manage this new and strange career where, though it encompasses major aspects of media and marketing and all the minutiae of responsibilities which goes with maintaining any career to ensure its viability, the terms for how exactly to navigate this field remain as vaguely defined and mercurial as yt's algorithim.

I feel as if they're doing what they can with what they have or are able to do in the current moment. Of course I'd like to see more from them both, speaking from the perspective of someone who enjoys who they are as people and entertainers and would like to continue to support their creative efforts as i've enjoyed doing so far, and will keep doing as their channels evolve to reflect their personal growth, but I'm mindful of the emotional toll and strain which can accompany that regular stream of interactions and demands, again as a matter of self projection.

I wonder if what they have right now, if how Dan has chosen to manage his productivity, even if its ultimately at odds with what people want or expect, reflects how they've also chosen to manage their wellbeing as two people who remain independent creators largely self reliant in their creative and personal expressions who are also perhaps trying to explore other alternatives in how to please their audiences without sacrificing personal comfort or integrity in the process. </waffle>

Edit: the length of this turned out longer than I thought it'd be. Sorry...
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Fantastic post, @elemancy. I also think that for Dan particularly a big struggle is trying to manage the career (and the constant shift in terms of what keeps them profitable and relevant) alongside his mental health when the professional demands placed on you really are also personal demands; show more of yourself, reveal more of yourself, be more sincere and genuine, bare it all. I think the tour and the gaming channel are current examples of Dan at a comfortable level with that, but dinof is somewhere that in the past year he's obviously tried to get more 'real' on to mixed results. In terms of him managing his productivity, dinof just seems like a much harder knot for him to untangle. In order to still be in a good place with the aspects of his day to day career that are demanding immediate time, attention, and energy - dinof is what he's deciding not to worry about.

I do think that it's fine for fans to want more from dinof and to express that, but I am not really sure outside pressure will make a difference. I think @watsonian nailed it by saying the more Dan is pressured to do something, the less likely he seems to do it.
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I definitely see the perspective of the opinion that we are "cutting Dan too much slack". I mean, if you look at simply the cold, hard facts of his upload schedule in the past months on his MAIN channel, its absymal for a professional youtuber. However, I can't bring myself to be too bothered by it BC 1) its apparent to me that he is putting a ridiculous amount of himself into the tour 2) gaming videos keep me happy :) and 3) dinof videos aren't usually my cup of tea anyway.
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Sigh. Silly instastory games with “prizes” like this remind that in some ways Phil hasn’t changed much in the last decade.

Don’t have much to say about the above except that if I didn’t “cut Dan a ton of slack” I would be a total hypocrite. And I agree that his focus seems to be more on joint content and that’s great. Over a year ago when he “rebranded” he questioned if he was even entertaining on his own, so yeah... but we still got a decent amount of individual content in 2017. Though it just makes sense that he’s more in D&P mode during tour.
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@Elemancy :clapping: :thankyou: ALL OF THIS. SO MUCH.

I don't know if I have already posted this, because the topic resurfaces from time to time, but every time I read somewhere about Dan an Phil being lazy or phandom cutting them "too much slack" I think about this post by Neil Gaiman http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2009/05/e ... s.html?m=1 where he explains, very clearly imo, how the artistic process works and to what things fans are entitled (spoiler: nothing) and why. I know some people like to think about our collective relationship with them as based on some kind of contract where we are dnp's bosses, but this is just not true. And thankfully so, because I'm still processing the image they have of us that I got from the Amsterdam II show and it's not something I particularly like (maybe I'll actually find the time to write down my thoughts about this, as it's something I'm still thinking about a lot, but first I need to find a new job and be a functioning human being again)

the liveshow was great btw, especially the last few minutes, I have zero negative thoughts about that one, will definitely rewatch :thumb:
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(oh gosh im on mobile so this is gunna be a pain to type out, but im really loving everyones input on the topic! id quote all of yall if i could)

first of all, youtube is a weird career path, add the fact that dnp are one of the first couple people to commit to this whole youtube thing BEFORE it was a thing. most of the og youtubers that are still around have been saying how back then, it wasnt about the money, it was about putting out content that you love. then fast forward to now, you get a lot of newer "famous" youtubers abusing the system to get that sweet cash flowing....at this point, youtube is not even the same thing anymore. i feel like dnp (like the rest of the og ones) have this struggle of staying relevant, keeping their channel more genuine to who they are, and making money. there is that dillemma when it comes to quality over quantity - and it looks like dnp both prioritize the first one. certainly theres also the aspect of being self employed vs being employed but you guys already had good thoughts about that that i agree with.

with deppy, there were lots of trial and error. its a new career path so it was understandable. think about it, dan just dropped out of law school, moved in w phil, and did youtube as a fulltime job - it was one hell of a risk to take. it made sense for them to churn out content more frequently because at that time it was their only paycheck. both of them probably had talks about being scared and unsure of their future, yet ten years later theyve become successful on their own right. they have other ways to support their lifestyle: they have the tour, their merch store, the gaming channel. i feel like the gaming channel allowed them to have more creative freedom and less pressure to upload on their main channels. its less scripted hence easier for them to film and its usually uploaded more regularly so they dont have to worry about their children (us) starving (from their content). i know its tour season right now but i can totally see them trying their best to keep in touch w us, and i feel like the instagram stories are here to stay - since they, and us, love it so much.

anyways, i forgot what my original point was cz ive waffled on too nuch and now ive spent half and hour from my break typing this post..i probably dont make any sense anymore..........i have like ten minutes left to each my now-stale lunch oops
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