The Try Guys sketch was tacky, bad humor. The people being made fun of or close to the situation being made fun of are allowed to feel insulted by it, because it was insulting. If you don't fall into the category being mocked or used as someone else's punchline, then it's often easy to laugh at someone else being mocked. That's exactly why some people are saying it's harmful humor. This is a forum for Dan and Phil fans, so if you're looking for what the outside POV of fandom finds funny then this is not the place for that.
If I stood on a stage and made a joke about how all people who don't think Dan and Phil are together lack empathy toward the queerness/are unsupportive and mocking of young girls in a really misogynistic way, you'd probably be mad, right? I"m not saying that now, I'm just saying you wouldn't like it - because generalizing a niche of fan culture based on the most vocal stereotype doesn't make the individual people that fall within that group feel great, even if people looking from the outside in would usually agree that's how that group comes off. Just because a room full of people would laugh at it doesn't make it not mean or petty.
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"This is a forum for Dan and Phil fans, so if you're looking for what the outside POV of fandom finds funny then this is not the place for that".
> I couldn't disagree more with that statement. I'm a Dan and Phil fan, yet we don't seem to hold the same views about this. I think it is good to look at an outside opinion in many things in life, otherwise you risk falling prey to group think. I go here to read up on the latest 'inside' speculation about them, but also to consider perspectives I did not think of myself. Imo that is the basic idea of a 'forum': a place where one meets to exchange thoughts and ideas. It's only logical that opinions will be divided. It would be really strange if everyone agreed.
Everyone is allowed to be insulted about anything, but when I saw the video and read the first couple of comments, I thought I should voice my own opinion too lest everyone lurking or stumbling upon this would think the fandom is some kind of Star Trek borglike hivemind
I get that you don't like the video and think it's 'tacky' or 'bad humor', but what really seems harmful to me is that the fandom at large would shoot in a cramp because a parody sketch portrays some stereotype. Not every criticism of the shipper stereotype is unfair, and not every 'fandom' member falls within the stereotype. I think it's healthy to reflect at times at what the outsider perspective is (doesn't mean you have to agree with it) It's a video from a conference they weren't even at and that we are discussing as 'fans' just because we tend to talk about any content relating to Dan and Phil coming up. I've seen a lot of reactions by fans on twitter, and people saying things like 'I hope they don't see this", as if they know Dan and Phil would find this horrible. I really think part of the fandom in general is quite judgemental. People often write as if they know what Dan and Phil thoughts are and lecture them about what their attitudes (and who their friends) should be. The harshest criticism, that offends me deeply because I feel it's unfair, often comes from the fandom imo. The flag thing, the sandra thing, the attacks at marianne about filming ...are just some recent "drama's" that come to mind. So the outside perspective is not even the most critical imo.
Personally, it's only by some within the fandom (and really only within the fandom...) that I've been stereotyped for having 'the wrong opinion' about things so when you say that the parody lacks empathy or that people who fall within the stereotype might not feel great when they are confronted with how others see their behavior... all I can think is that that is probably a healthy thing because I wouldn't like to see the fandom evolve into a group of people that is easily offended at everything and thinks they are morally superior and above criticism of others.
But we likely see things differently and that's fine
> I couldn't disagree more with that statement. I'm a Dan and Phil fan, yet we don't seem to hold the same views about this. I think it is good to look at an outside opinion in many things in life, otherwise you risk falling prey to group think. I go here to read up on the latest 'inside' speculation about them, but also to consider perspectives I did not think of myself. Imo that is the basic idea of a 'forum': a place where one meets to exchange thoughts and ideas. It's only logical that opinions will be divided. It would be really strange if everyone agreed.
Everyone is allowed to be insulted about anything, but when I saw the video and read the first couple of comments, I thought I should voice my own opinion too lest everyone lurking or stumbling upon this would think the fandom is some kind of Star Trek borglike hivemind
I get that you don't like the video and think it's 'tacky' or 'bad humor', but what really seems harmful to me is that the fandom at large would shoot in a cramp because a parody sketch portrays some stereotype. Not every criticism of the shipper stereotype is unfair, and not every 'fandom' member falls within the stereotype. I think it's healthy to reflect at times at what the outsider perspective is (doesn't mean you have to agree with it) It's a video from a conference they weren't even at and that we are discussing as 'fans' just because we tend to talk about any content relating to Dan and Phil coming up. I've seen a lot of reactions by fans on twitter, and people saying things like 'I hope they don't see this", as if they know Dan and Phil would find this horrible. I really think part of the fandom in general is quite judgemental. People often write as if they know what Dan and Phil thoughts are and lecture them about what their attitudes (and who their friends) should be. The harshest criticism, that offends me deeply because I feel it's unfair, often comes from the fandom imo. The flag thing, the sandra thing, the attacks at marianne about filming ...are just some recent "drama's" that come to mind. So the outside perspective is not even the most critical imo.
Personally, it's only by some within the fandom (and really only within the fandom...) that I've been stereotyped for having 'the wrong opinion' about things so when you say that the parody lacks empathy or that people who fall within the stereotype might not feel great when they are confronted with how others see their behavior... all I can think is that that is probably a healthy thing because I wouldn't like to see the fandom evolve into a group of people that is easily offended at everything and thinks they are morally superior and above criticism of others.
But we likely see things differently and that's fine
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You seem to be misunderstanding me. The fact that you're going to find inside phandom POVs here does not mean we all have to agree. I stated that this is the place where you will find opinions from within phandom. I didn't state what those opinions were.Stakhanov wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 12:48 pm "This is a forum for Dan and Phil fans, so if you're looking for what the outside POV of fandom finds funny then this is not the place for that".
> I couldn't disagree more with that statement. I'm a Dan and Phil fan, yet we don't seem to hold the same views about this. I think it is good to look at an outside opinion in many things in life, otherwise you risk falling prey to group think. I go here to read up on the latest 'inside' speculation about them, but also to consider perspectives I did not think of myself. Imo that is the basic idea of a 'forum': a place where one meets to exchange thoughts and ideas. It's only logical that opinions will be divided. It would be really strange if everyone agreed.
Not wanting people to think fandom is some kind of borg hivemind is exactly why people balk at things like the Try Guys sketch. We're not all like that, and even the young excited teenagers are much more multifaceted than a sketch like that portrays them as. If you want to try and fight aginst that on the microcosm of an internet forum, why does it not bother you when it's being broadcast to potential millions?Stakhanov wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 12:48 pmEveryone is allowed to be insulted about anything, but when I saw the video and read the first couple of comments, I thought I should voice my own opinion too lest everyone lurking or stumbling upon this would think the fandom is some kind of Star Trek borglike hivemind
We can do that plenty without needing to handhold every youtuber who wants to cash in on Dan and Phil's queerness and their fanbase.Stakhanov wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 12:48 pmI get that you don't like the video and think it's 'tacky' or 'bad humor', but what really seems harmful to me is that the fandom at large would shoot in a cramp because a parody sketch portrays some stereotype. Not every criticism of the shipper stereotype is unfair, and not every 'fandom' member falls within the stereotype. I think it's healthy to reflect at times at what the outsider perspective is (doesn't mean you have to agree with it)
They did it last year, when Dan and Phil were there so I'm not sure how that's relevant.
Some of things (Sandra, the Marianne attacks) also bother me. But, miraculously, I am capable of being bothered by behaviors within phandom and behaviors outside of it all at the same time.
Why does something need to be the 'most' for people to be bothered by it? I'm allowed to not like something even if somewhere else in the world, something worse exists.
I got nothing for this besides amazement that you think being perceived as having no empathy is a healthy thing. This is definitely why we see things differently consistently. Caring how something makes people feel is not a personality flaw that needs to be corrected or balanced out, imo.Stakhanov wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 12:48 pmPersonally, it's only by some within the fandom (and really only within the fandom...) that I've been stereotyped for having 'the wrong opinion' about things so when you say that the parody lacks empathy or that people who fall within the stereotype might not feel great when they are confronted with how others see their behavior... all I can think is that that is probably a healthy thing because I wouldn't like to see the fandom evolve into a group of people that is easily offended at everything and thinks they are morally superior and above criticism of others.
(I'm starting work now so if you respond again I'm not likely to reply - but to be honest this is about the extent of the energy I'm willing to sink into this topic anyway.)
Don't want to drag this on forever either, so just two short points where I think you misunderstand me.
If we agree opinions within the fandom differ, I'm not sure what you're referring to as "outside point of view" here? Everything that was being said here is by fans and said among fans, so I wouldn't know what else people were looking for.
The last point you make baffles me a bit. I don't say at any point that having no empathy is a healthy thing? But it's not because some take the view that a joke is bad or tacky that all who take a different view are 'lacking empathy'. Making a joke that potentially offends someone does not equal a lack of empathy. We all get offended at different things and having our feelings hurt does not mean somebody else is not caring or emphatic enough. Donald Trump has such a big ego for example, he probably feels hurt at everyone disagreeing or mocking him in the slightest. Does that mean any parody or mocking of him exposes a lack of empathy or caring?
I'm not saying the want the stereotypical fangirl that the try guys are portraying are all Donal Trump, but I'm making the point that someone potentially feeling hurt, which basically can be true in any situation ever, is a terrible criterium to judge the skit by imo. It does not make it objectively 'bad' or 'harmful', and in practice all it does is divide people along their own views by stigmatizing people who don't agree as uncaring.
If we agree opinions within the fandom differ, I'm not sure what you're referring to as "outside point of view" here? Everything that was being said here is by fans and said among fans, so I wouldn't know what else people were looking for.
The last point you make baffles me a bit. I don't say at any point that having no empathy is a healthy thing? But it's not because some take the view that a joke is bad or tacky that all who take a different view are 'lacking empathy'. Making a joke that potentially offends someone does not equal a lack of empathy. We all get offended at different things and having our feelings hurt does not mean somebody else is not caring or emphatic enough. Donald Trump has such a big ego for example, he probably feels hurt at everyone disagreeing or mocking him in the slightest. Does that mean any parody or mocking of him exposes a lack of empathy or caring?
I'm not saying the want the stereotypical fangirl that the try guys are portraying are all Donal Trump, but I'm making the point that someone potentially feeling hurt, which basically can be true in any situation ever, is a terrible criterium to judge the skit by imo. It does not make it objectively 'bad' or 'harmful', and in practice all it does is divide people along their own views by stigmatizing people who don't agree as uncaring.
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Gosh, this sketch was tacky and a little insulting. I think what bothers me about it is that the group being mocked wasn't DnP, but their young fans. Now, I'm sure we've all encountered a phan account or two on tumblr that was a bit much. Just as I'm sure we've all read a few YouTube comments that made us want to find the kid who wrote the comment, sit them down, and try to convince them to chill out. Essentially we're all members, to some extent, of "the phandom." And I'm sure we can all agree that there are members of this community of ours who can be, as kids are saying these days, a bit extra. It's one thing for those of us within this community to joke about some of our more extreme brethren. It's quite another for these random YouTubers, who know nothing about us, to mock our community as a whole. They know nothing (like Jon Snow) about Dan and Phil or their fans. They just lean heavily on the trope that crazy teenage girls ship these two British dudes. That joke is, first of all, played out and, second of all, not all that funny to begin with.KatjaZoe wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:54 pm The Try Guys uploaded their vidcon performance of a countdown of top internet things and the whole shipping section was about phan. Kinda cringe, sometimes i forget that this is how a lot of people see the phandom
(starts at about 6:50)
Keith's impression of Dan could really use some work idk what that deep voice was supposed to be
Aside from this whole insider vs. outsider problem, I also don't love it when men (or society for that matter) mock teenage girls for being passionate about something. So yeah, I was not a fan of this sketch. (It wasn't funny last year either)
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The outside pov is that of the try guys, people who are completely outside of phandom and phandom experience, it isn't meant as unpopular. We're commenting on how THEIR pov is harmful and kinda ignorant as outsiders.Stakhanov wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:55 pm Don't want to drag this on forever either, so just two short points where I think you misunderstand me.
If we agree opinions within the fandom differ, I'm not sure what you're referring to as "outside point of view" here? Everything that was being said here is by fans and said among fans, so I wouldn't know what else people were looking for.
The last point you make baffles me a bit. I don't say at any point that having no empathy is a healthy thing? But it's not because some take the view that a joke is bad or tacky that all who take a different view are 'lacking empathy'. Making a joke that potentially offends someone does not equal a lack of empathy. We all get offended at different things and having our feelings hurt does not mean somebody else is not caring or emphatic enough. Donald Trump has such a big ego for example, he probably feels hurt at everyone disagreeing or mocking him in the slightest. Does that mean any parody or mocking of him exposes a lack of empathy or caring?
I'm not saying the want the stereotypical fangirl that the try guys are portraying are all Donal Trump, but I'm making the point that someone potentially feeling hurt, which basically can be true in any situation ever, is a terrible criterium to judge the skit by imo. It does not make it objectively 'bad' or 'harmful', and in practice all it does is divide people along their own views by stigmatizing people who don't agree as uncaring.
They're playing into the stereotype of "fandom are all made up of crazy teenage girls that we can mock bc they all think two guys are hot so they gotta bang" which is not true? There might of course being the outliner that fall into that description but phandom as a while is a huge different audience. As outsiders the try guys have no knowledge of WHY the majority of the phandom believes dnp are together (which imo is different from the idea of shipping but that's another topic altogether) they don't have inside knowledge of them as people or us as audience and what they see is the crowd noise and that makes the joke they made tacky and ignorant and all in all offensive because even if it was all teenage girls, what makes it okay to mock them?
This is a problem in a lot of fandoms, I'm not even a teenage girl and I'm tired of seeing that everything that can be seen as aimed at young girls/women in general is seen as stupid and easily mocked and if someone is insulted by it they're exaggerating. It's deeply rooted in sexism.
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Those guys may know little of Dan and Phil (we're assuming) and I think we all agree that they are portraying a stereotype. One that may come close to the truth for some fans, but one none here I think feels describes ourselves accurately.
I don't think mocking is a fair description. It's a quick 20 sec part in series that 'mocks' about all popular internet trends. However you call it, fundamentally I don't think there's anything bad about it. I do find some aspects of (any) fan/celebrity culture stupid -not that I think people shouldn't enjoy stupid things they like. We all do some of that, and I think it's good we can use humor as a way to make light of other beliefs people hold dear. That this parody is rooted in sexism is a strong claim that I don't agree with. I recognize and agree with the point that there are tendencies in society to treat whatever young girls like as 'dumb' and something to mock but that is no unique experience. Everything I liked as a kid was treated as 'boring' and worthy of mocking too. But more importantly, i see no proof that the sketch was inspired by that sentiment.
Switch perspectives for a second. From 'a non phan' point of view, It feels to me like Dan and Phil are being 'mocked' everyday as their own truth about their relationship is set apart as a joke or a lie. I to could view everyone enjoying the ship as being tacky or insulting to. It's not like any of us can claim to know what's going on between them. We're all outsiders to their supposed relationship.
So i think whether this offends you or not is purely a matter of perspective, and in that context I just like to plead for a less absolute, more relaxed approach on things where not every joke has to be a 'mockery' rooted in some greater evil. Most people who don't follow phil probably think they're a bit naff and shipping them is a bit silly. So what? They may just appreciate things differently and I don't have to feel threatened because they make fun of some caricature of what a Dan and Phil fan is.
Peace, I'm a free house elf now and I'm going to watch some silly trash video's now which I apologetically enjoy Does anyone have any suggestions I like the absolute worst/best ones and i'm a bit of a Danny (no disrespect to Phil 
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sneak peak of the kind of video's that make me live. Don't care if i'm fitting a stereotype here, I need new ones, please :mrgreen:
I don't think mocking is a fair description. It's a quick 20 sec part in series that 'mocks' about all popular internet trends. However you call it, fundamentally I don't think there's anything bad about it. I do find some aspects of (any) fan/celebrity culture stupid -not that I think people shouldn't enjoy stupid things they like. We all do some of that, and I think it's good we can use humor as a way to make light of other beliefs people hold dear. That this parody is rooted in sexism is a strong claim that I don't agree with. I recognize and agree with the point that there are tendencies in society to treat whatever young girls like as 'dumb' and something to mock but that is no unique experience. Everything I liked as a kid was treated as 'boring' and worthy of mocking too. But more importantly, i see no proof that the sketch was inspired by that sentiment.
Switch perspectives for a second. From 'a non phan' point of view, It feels to me like Dan and Phil are being 'mocked' everyday as their own truth about their relationship is set apart as a joke or a lie. I to could view everyone enjoying the ship as being tacky or insulting to. It's not like any of us can claim to know what's going on between them. We're all outsiders to their supposed relationship.
So i think whether this offends you or not is purely a matter of perspective, and in that context I just like to plead for a less absolute, more relaxed approach on things where not every joke has to be a 'mockery' rooted in some greater evil. Most people who don't follow phil probably think they're a bit naff and shipping them is a bit silly. So what? They may just appreciate things differently and I don't have to feel threatened because they make fun of some caricature of what a Dan and Phil fan is.
Peace, I'm a free house elf now and I'm going to watch some silly trash video's now which I apologetically enjoy
Does anyone have any suggestions I like the absolute worst/best ones and i'm a bit of a Danny (no disrespect to Phil )sneak peak of the kind of video's that make me live. Don't care if i'm fitting a stereotype here, I need new ones, please :mrgreen:
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I'm sorry but I'm never going to support/defend anyone who does this. DnP get accused of queer baiting all the time and yet others look at this and think this is in anyway funny. And this is what I meant about people taking mlm relationships and using it as a punchline to a joke, when two men kissing is not humorous. Also the caption-just no.
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Slightly off-topic, but since no one is replying to me in the YT discussion thread, I'm posting my question here. Does anyone have any recommendations for YouTube Originals? I've got a free trial on YouTube Premium and want to exploit it to the fullest.
(I've obviously already watched TATINOF and TATINOF doc, but recs apart from them are more than welcome.)
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I know for a fact that I, and many others, do not 'ship' Dan and Phil but instead believe they are in a relationship. (And of course we could be wrong. No one knows what in in anyone else's heart. And so forth.)Stakhanov wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 3:32 pm From 'a non phan' point of view, It feels to me like Dan and Phil are being 'mocked' everyday as their own truth about their relationship is set apart as a joke or a lie. I to could view everyone enjoying the ship as being tacky or insulting to. It's not like any of us can claim to know what's going on between them.
It will be interesting to see what the current Dan and Phil Survey (everyone should go take it!) will show about both phans' shipping choices and their beliefs about Deppy's relationship.
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A thanks for the link. Props to the people making the Dan and Phil Survey and it's the only thing we've got on that scale, but it can only show biased results since it can never get close to a proportional representation of all segments of the 'phan' part of the audience let alone the audience at large.
It can help gain us some insight in the particular part of the audience that's biased towards responding to online inquiries and who visit those social media that choose to promote the survey though.
It can help gain us some insight in the particular part of the audience that's biased towards responding to online inquiries and who visit those social media that choose to promote the survey though.
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I'm deep deep in to Rhett and Link's collective butt so BUDDY SYSTEM! I'll join you over there.somethingsketchy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 3:47 pm Slightly off-topic, but since no one is replying to me in the YT discussion thread, I'm posting my question here. Does anyone have any recommendations for YouTube Originals? I've got a free trial on YouTube Premium and want to exploit it to the fullest.
(I've obviously already watched TATINOF and TATINOF doc, but recs apart from them are more than welcome.)
edit: i looked over at the thread (at least I think it's the one you are talking about) and I didn't see any requests for recs?
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Thanks, I'll try it out! I did ask, but it was an indirect question in the middle of a post.MythicalPinkTrashCan wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:59 pmI'm deep deep in to Rhett and Link's collective butt so BUDDY SYSTEM! I'll join you over there.
edit: i looked over at the thread (at least I think it's the one you are talking about) and I didn't see any requests for recs?
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I've been wanting to checkout Youth and Consequences, but I already used my free month to watch TATINOF last year. You should see if it's any good.somethingsketchy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 3:47 pm Slightly off-topic, but since no one is replying to me in the YT discussion thread, I'm posting my question here. Does anyone have any recommendations for YouTube Originals? I've got a free trial on YouTube Premium and want to exploit it to the fullest.
(I've obviously already watched TATINOF and TATINOF doc, but recs apart from them are more than welcome.)
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what is the Mood for today, lads? straight men queerbaiting?
wading in...
I find it very hard to believe that the Try Guys don't know exactly what they are doing. A new channel, a new production company, they've left the safety of buzz and worry they'll strike out. So..how the stay relevant, what can they do to get views, to get a convo going, even if it isn't all in their favor, out of the woodwork comes anyone that a) wants to have a go at the phandom b) wants to protect their faves (the try guys/ deppy) c) any publicity is good, and they're on the lips (sorta) of a lot of people.
Last year, their deppy sketch part involved "heart eyes" and a bit more than just glances. If not then, then surely a year later they are a bit more aware of phans and deppy, if not, they must ignore a bunch of their fans comments, since back then the sketch got talked about. And here we are, just where they want us.
I think in ways I was surprised they made it since their own fans are not that different from the phandom. I really don't get the animosity shown towards the phandom, honestly I feel we're an easy and reliable target for anyone that wants attention. Very little criticism is logical, and those that are can be applied to every fandom out there, not to say that it is any less valid being thrown our way.
It's all so child disney star wants to be grownup. Look at me , look at me, look what I can do..ha ha funny, just kidding, smiley face.
why do I always post when I'm in a negative mood. and why do I always end up posting about things I really can't give a flying rats ass about.
I find it very hard to believe that the Try Guys don't know exactly what they are doing. A new channel, a new production company, they've left the safety of buzz and worry they'll strike out. So..how the stay relevant, what can they do to get views, to get a convo going, even if it isn't all in their favor, out of the woodwork comes anyone that a) wants to have a go at the phandom b) wants to protect their faves (the try guys/ deppy) c) any publicity is good, and they're on the lips (sorta) of a lot of people.
Last year, their deppy sketch part involved "heart eyes" and a bit more than just glances. If not then, then surely a year later they are a bit more aware of phans and deppy, if not, they must ignore a bunch of their fans comments, since back then the sketch got talked about. And here we are, just where they want us.
I think in ways I was surprised they made it since their own fans are not that different from the phandom. I really don't get the animosity shown towards the phandom, honestly I feel we're an easy and reliable target for anyone that wants attention. Very little criticism is logical, and those that are can be applied to every fandom out there, not to say that it is any less valid being thrown our way.
It's all so child disney star wants to be grownup. Look at me , look at me, look what I can do..ha ha funny, just kidding, smiley face.
why do I always post when I'm in a negative mood. and why do I always end up posting about things I really can't give a flying rats ass about.
Changing the topic, is it time for a new main channel video? Phil's last video was on June 1st and Dan's last video has turned to dust its been so long. 
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Something I've discovered is really fun to do is check youtube in the day or two after a show to see the vlogs of people who went. This one totally made me smile:
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That vlog was so sweet! As someone who also attended the Philly show, I would echo her sentiment about what it felt like to be in that theater, surrounded by other people from "the phandom." In my real life know one person who watches DnP, and she lives in another country. So in my day to day life here in the US, I've never interacted with someone who watches their content. Being in that space, having that collective experience, was such a pleasant contrast to how I normally consume DnP's content. Even if the show had been lousy (it wasn't, btw, I absolutely loved it)I think the trip would have almost been worth it just to experience what it was like to be a part of that crowd.alittledizzy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:17 pm Something I've discovered is really fun to do is check youtube in the day or two after a show to see the vlogs of people who went. This one totally made me smile:
"Someone, somewhere is into that." Daniel Howell
Seconding this about the making me smile part. It's vlogs like this which show how multifaceted the fandom really is, by showcasing the voices behind the viewers who watch Dan and Phil and reveal them to be much more than what a careless stereotype portrays them as on the surface.alittledizzy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:17 pm Something I've discovered is really fun to do is check youtube in the day or two after a show to see the vlogs of people who went. This one totally made me smile:
Tatinof was a rush of emotions for me when I attended-self conscious anxiety over my age and the crowds for one, but also this kind of incredible happiness and contentment to be able to share this experience of seeing two people with deep personal significance to me with so many other people who felt similarly. I've had many occasions where I've felt isolated and uncertain about myself and certain situations, but this was an event where the warm buzz of solidarity, happiness and comfort stayed with me long after I caught the train home from the show. Their videos have that effect for me usually, but attending the show with people who were excited to see them amplified that feeling, making it this kind of communal sentiment of appreciation and enjoyment. It was just generally a very lovely experience.
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That picture just made me cry inside and mutter "fucking boyfriends" under my breath so thanks. Phil's arm looks like it could be around Dan's shoulders and I hate it
Will probably never be over the BONCAS and the beauty of Phil Lester.
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