Now THIS is true character progression...
i fully missed both of these parts even after watching twice wtf is my problemalittledizzy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:49 am 5:33 - Phil can't go because the pizza guy looks like Efron.
23:18 - Dan's hand on Phil's thigh. Discussion of what type of messy/cluttered Phil is
I think your emotions regarding that part are very justified, especially in relation to Dan's allusion to feelings of confliction and the reflexive mental tug of war behind it; then how to articulate that to others in a way that doesn't feel so personally emotionally cleaving or intimidatingly vulnerable. Because there's something so painful as you said in trying to adequately translate those feelings and experiences to people who might not share them, so it becomes a constant back and forth of trying to establish a connection of understanding within yourself and others and yet feeling isolated in the attempt at the same time. I felt that in an intensely personal way, more so when Dan briefly talked about staying home and feeling sad while playing GW as Phil went to an art fair or his comments about increased anxiety along with his other comments about wanting to take the time he needs to finally emerge from his cocoon once he hits the point where he feels ready to, despite striving to find a sense of purpose to define his motivations post tour.knq wrote: ↑Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:24 am I’m on the same wavelength as the person who said they had an emotional hangover.
I cried through the last 20 minutes of this video. I’m not like the boys are with crying either, I can’t even remember the last time I cried. Was it this year?
I just. Man. I experienced a lot more suffering from Dan than I guess I expected. I waited months after becoming a fan to watch Daniel and Depression because I knew what kind of effect it would have on me, and it didn’t have anything like the effect this video did.
~emotionsI’ve no idea whether I liked the video or if I hope they do another one. I do hope they get a positive response though, and from what I’ve seen everyone commenting I’m glad it seems like they are.
I’m surprised everyone isn’t just wrecked. I’m wrecked.
me irli just want to know what the jazz hands MEAN!!!! but take your time, dan, i guess.alittledizzy wrote:25:32 - "Character progression. It's good." Dan feels like he's growing a lot as a person and isn't in a hurry to put himself out there. He's happy to be in a cocoon until he's ready to be like - *jazz hands*."
idk wrote: ↑Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:13 am We’re living in an era where Dan and Phil make and upload a video in which they’re casually talking about perfecting their pizza order over years and years through trial and error, about the ways they’ve changed over the years, talking about going home and their childhood friends’ perspectives of them, their day to day habits and routines, the things they do together, anxieties, mental health, sensitivities, career related thoughts and discussions. Goddamn what an era to be a Dan and Phil viewer.
The Post Tour Universe has been ushered in by that video and I have never ever been more excited and intrigued to see where they go from here both in their solo pursuits and as a joint team. I am so fucking fond and appreciative of Dan and Phil right now and throughout the course of this whole year. The comfort levels between them on camera have grown exponentially even just over the past 11 months and so have the comfort levels between us and them. So ready for 2019. /imsorrythiswaslong
That's one of the first things that stood out to me. Phil really is all about gauging Dan's comfort level with things every single step of the way. The one time Phil didn't quite answer something correctly (the personality question) and Dan balked, Phil immediately reeled him back in with utmost care and gave real attention to what Dan was saying in a sincere, fully engaged way. I'm enamored with how they must really just make each other feel so listened to.idk wrote: ↑Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:13 amI’m overly fond of how attentive Phil is of Dan. How Phil reassured Dan that he’s sure that their audience just wants him to be happy - and the implicit notion there being that Phil also just wants Dan to be happy. Also, Phil’s constant checking up on Dan throughout the video - asking him if he’s okay, if he’s okay with eating in front of the camera, ensuring that making content doesn’t mean putting too much strain on Dan, showing that above all else Dan’s comfort comes first. Content doesn’t come at the detriment of their comfort levels and general wellbeing. This was also reinforced through Phil talking about how he wasn’t sure the tour was even going to happen because of Dan’s breakdown and their stress levels earlier in the year.
I still feel like my best case scenario here is that the next Phil video is pinof, which'll happen in that room, and after that it'll be Christmas baking in the filming kitchen, and then 2019 they get to coast the first half of January in their pajama cave and once they're active again it'll be a whole new setup in a brand new forever home.idk wrote: ↑Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:13 amNow more than ever I feel it would be unspeakably odd if Phil were to return to filming in that AmazingPhil room. I’m sure pinof will be filmed in that room and for the sake of tradition that’s cool but I hope he does change it beyond that video. This video has only added to the quiet but quite profound rebrand of AmazingPhil into Phil Lester who has insecurities and anxiety and thoughts and feelings beyond cute animals and houseplants and pancakes. Obviously those are all a part of Phil Lester but those aren’t all that he is despite what the AmazingPhil figure would lead you to believe.
The Limited Edition isn't available in my country (so if I go with that option I'm contemplating having it shipped to an aunt in the US, but now I'm wondering if I order from the Worldwide shop, am I allowed to have it shipped to the US considering that they have a US store but it's now sold-out there?). If I go with the Normal DVD, I can buy it from Amazon, which is more convenient as it will ship to my country normally. And of course there's the digital option. Sorry for the bother. But I'm just hella confused and just wanted to confirm if I understood it correctly before deciding (shipping fees from the US and/or the UK are hella expensive so it's a bit hard to immediately let go of my money 
). Advanced thank you to anyone who'll answer me. 
OWWWW MY HEARTidk wrote: ↑Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:13 am I absolutely loved them talking about how they navigate their differences in personality. Phil’s mess and clutter vs Dan’s minimalism and cleanliness and the silent conclusion there being that despite these differences they have chosen and continue to choose to share every part of their lives with one another. That they navigate all these things together. That they have spent years and years learning how to live and breathe and move both with each other and around each other. But also that Phil mentions his mess is something he's working on. They've created and perfected little traditions just for them, just between them and they continue to do them all these years later. A shared experience indeed.
The part where Dan discussed whether or not he has a personality and questioning whether it’s just various faces he chooses to show at any given point and Phil immediately saying that if Dan’s around him he’s not putting on a face because Why Would He? Dan saying it’s his ‘Phil face’. They’ve done so much growing together and this video absolutely highlighted that both in what was said and what was not. It definitely was also shown through how they silently interacted and communicated with one another. Little glances and unspoken reassurances.
i got enough negativity in my life without adding outside sources, lol. yes to all ^ this is a very good summary of everything imohuphilpuffs wrote: ↑Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:14 am I think there were four main things that stood out to me:
1. the constant ways in which they reassured and encouraged each other. Phil telling Dan it's okay if he eats on camera. Dan telling Phil a lot of people have phone anxiety. Phil supporting Dan's choice to make content when he feels like it instead of to make the algorithm happy. the whole personal trainer conversation. there were so many instances where it was so obvious that they are each other's greatest support system and how that manifests in validating each other's emotions (even if they can't necessarily relate) that has me feelings a lot of things. I'm just genuinely so happy that they have that in their lives.
2. the "being each other's exception" (for lack of a better way to explain it). Phil saying that those are the pjs he wears when he's not going to see anyone except Dan. Phil wondering why Dan would need a mask around him, even if he does around other people (I could write a whole essay on that moment alone). I think a lot of us already knew that they exceptions to each other's introversion, in that they never seem to find being together draining in the same way they seem to with other people. but those two moments really solidified that for me.
3. the amount of domesticity in this video is insane. I know it was years ago but part of me really can't help juxtaposing it to some of their old videos (like What not to do at the Cinema) where they wouldn't even reference each other by name and now we get to hear about their years and years of pizza perfecting, and casual references to "I did this yesterday right?" and "you're really stressful to live with." stand alone I know these anecdotes probably wouldn't seem quite as iconic, but having a whole video of them is just so much that it feels really important when it comes to the ever-evolving boundaries between them and their audience.
4. this being an amazingphil video really got to me. I know that a lot of the explicit content was more about them as people & together, but, without jumping to conclusions without information about what's yet to come, it really felt like there was an implicit shift between Phil and his audience. I feel like we saw a lot of change in him over the course of the tour and to see that reflected in his first video back feels ... so important. I don't know if it's wise to declare a new era without having any other content from that era, but it definitely feels like positive change is on the horizon.
Thank you so much for conveying this. I was and still am having a hard time conveying any coherent thought, but what you've said and what I've bolded particularly is what I felt and wanted to say. Honestly I think the point at which I realized I didn't know how to end the sentence I'd started is when I probably should have reconsidered whether I was ready to comment publicly on the video.Elemancy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:26 am
I think your emotions regarding that part are very justified, especially in relation to Dan's allusion to feelings of confliction and the reflexive mental tug of war behind it; then how to articulate that to others in a way that doesn't feel so personally emotionally cleaving or intimidatingly vulnerable. Because there's something so painful as you said in trying to adequately translate those feelings and experiences to people who might not share them, so it becomes a constant back and forth of trying to establish a connection of understanding within yourself and others and yet feeling isolated in the attempt at the same time. I felt that in an intensely personal way, more so when Dan briefly talked about staying home and feeling sad while playing GW as Phil went to an art fair or his comments about increased anxiety along with his other comments about wanting to take the time he needs to finally emerge from his cocoon once he hits the point where he feels ready to, despite striving to find a sense of purpose to define his motivations post tour.
There's a lot more I'd like to say about that, but I'm just too mentally and physically exhausted from today that everything misses the mark, but I do understand what you mean by feeling wrecked. It’s like a mirror where you not only see a candid glimpse of what the other person is going through, but also an unexpectedly harsh and vivid reflection of your own experiences.
I don't think it left as impactful an impression on me personally because of the larger context of the video celebrating their journey on tour and acknowledging how far they'd come in self-development as individuals leading them to recognize themselves as different people from who they were three years ago or three months ago; as well as how Dan seemed more amenable to the idea of going with the flow in terms of his own health and not fighting with himself to create things his mind and heart aren't aligned with. There's still that undercurrent of personal turmoil and abstract frustration, but when prefaced by his own attempts to find better ways of coping with it and gaining a better perspective conducive to healing, it left me with that feeling of comfort I mentioned in my previous post.
I hope all that made sense and didn't come across like I'm trying to put words in your mouth. Just very tired today and I'm not sure if all the words are as mindful and cohesive as I want them to be.
And I am comforted by Dan's awareness that he likes other parts of entertaining, including radio with Phil, but doesn't love being a full-time youtuber. That's important self-knowledge and my hope is that when he and Phil discuss what to do in the New Year, as is their tradition, shifting Dan's career to something that makes Dan feel like he can be a part-time youtuber while still having a daily purpose is something they plan for.
lefthandedism wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2017 4:03 pmI hadn't seen the gif--my impression was from my initial watch of the video, and I watched back that part a few times. I recognize that they reach in front of each other a lot to fiddle with the keyboard and stuff, so I agree it could be that. But in that context, that particular movement seemed like a pat to me, to go along with what Dan was saying (and, who knows, maybe he looked away on purpose so we wouldn't notice ).alittledizzy wrote:Do you think Dan really patted Phil's thigh, or it was a tap or Dan reaching for something?Reizam wrote:This is why I love visiting IDB after every vid... I like to see if anyone spotted anything I missed the first time. I'm hopping in the trash can with you on that .LeftHandedism wrote: I'm living for Dan patting Phil's thigh at 8:30, saying "You really are AmazingPhil, your brand is so accurate!"
The gif makes it seem like a pat/touch but in the video it moves much faster and Dan's expression is slightly distracted.
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i know this was already mentioned before too but he also did a cheeky thigh slap in the two rats in the kitchen video. i think the mukbang viddy sealed the deal that dan is indeed the type to casually touch the thigh area when they are referring to their important person. heck, for someone who wants to avert physical touch from people, he doesnt flinch when phil touches him, rather he is the one who initiates sometimes.lefthandedism wrote: ↑Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:03 am I was captivated by this video, like everyone else, and so excited for the post-mukbang universe.
I was especially mesmerized by Dan putting his hand on Phil's thigh, and leaving it there for many long seconds. It reminded me of an early conversation I had on this forum, nearly two years ago, when we wondered if Dan had actually touched Phil's thigh in another video (which of course he did!). How times have changed.....
lefthandedism wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2017 4:03 pmI hadn't seen the gif--my impression was from my initial watch of the video, and I watched back that part a few times. I recognize that they reach in front of each other a lot to fiddle with the keyboard and stuff, so I agree it could be that. But in that context, that particular movement seemed like a pat to me, to go along with what Dan was saying (and, who knows, maybe he looked away on purpose so we wouldn't notice ).alittledizzy wrote:Do you think Dan really patted Phil's thigh, or it was a tap or Dan reaching for something?Reizam wrote:This is why I love visiting IDB after every vid... I like to see if anyone spotted anything I missed the first time. I'm hopping in the trash can with you on that .LeftHandedism wrote: I'm living for Dan patting Phil's thigh at 8:30, saying "You really are AmazingPhil, your brand is so accurate!"
The gif makes it seem like a pat/touch but in the video it moves much faster and Dan's expression is slightly distracted.
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[offtopic]What a totally awesome post for my *editing tips* rank! [/offtopic]
I think we all know what that means...rizzo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:37 ami just want to know what the jazz hands MEAN!!!! but take your time, dan, i guess.alittledizzy wrote:25:32 - "Character progression. It's good." Dan feels like he's growing a lot as a person and isn't in a hurry to put himself out there. He's happy to be in a cocoon until he's ready to be like - *jazz hands*."
