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I quite enjoyed this vid even though i couldn't care less about dalien. I am happy we're gonna see devan again tomorrow (about that, can they please end the last ep with a proposal/wedding though? Look, i don't care if it's soon, I need it)
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alittledizzy wrote: Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:30 pm heh "amazingprobe" on the end card. /mature
Got to be honest, I giggled more at danisnotabonfire which was pretty freaking clever.
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Honestly that one didn’t do a lot for me. Well, except for validate my decision to not get that expansion pack because it sounded boring. Setting up clubs is boring on its own, but watching other people do it is somehow even more boring. It was still entertaining enough just bc: dapg. But they can’t all be winners! I’m choosing to believe it bodes well for them to get the dud (imo) out of the way early.

Also Dan said something about Dil/Tab dying in the house and it only just occurred to me that Dalien only just became a teenager. I wasn’t factoring that in to my ‘they'll probably kill Dil’ thoughts. They can’t just go and orphan a teenager on Christmas Eve?? Like there’s messed up, and then there’s messed up. But Dan brought it up so idk.. :sherlock:
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BuffyFiona wrote: Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:10 pm I'm at 16:40 and............. did Dan just say that Phil would join an alien sex club........ because unlike cheese he does like sex.......................... I don't know how to feel y'all.......................... anyway I am quite into the video so far!!! Was not expecting that as I've never cared much about Dalien....
ooooh ok i couldn't make out what dan had said there and phil was completely unfazed by it so i didn't expect much but lol
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alien wrote: Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:51 pm
BuffyFiona wrote: Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:10 pm I'm at 16:40 and............. did Dan just say that Phil would join an alien sex club........ because unlike cheese he does like sex.......................... I don't know how to feel y'all.......................... anyway I am quite into the video so far!!! Was not expecting that as I've never cared much about Dalien....
ooooh ok i couldn't make out what dan had said there and phil was completely unfazed by it so i didn't expect much but lol
Yeah, he really just said "Phil likes having sex" completely casually and Phil didn't even REACT... like obvs it was just a throwaway joke but... Dan acknowledging that Phil is... an adult who enjoys having sex is so.......... out of the norm to me? They make jokes about kinks and stuff all the time, but this felt different (even though I guess it was also a joke about liking alien sex clubs, probing, etc.). But Dan's just out here like "Yes Phil likes sex... Yes sex makes me happy... Yes we only ever hang out with each other... And what about it?" *Ariana Grande ponytail flip* and I'm here like :phangoggles: :dh: cool cool, carry on lads, you do you

Sorry to make everything about sex y'all but, in my defense, deppy started it...
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i apologise and this is out of left field but i feel like a lot of tumblr is jumping the shark with proposals and coming outs and things and its starting to give me a headache? i agree these changes are jarring and i'm on edge too but theres something about the wild excitement and specific predictions that's not sitting too well with me. does anyone have any thoughts?
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i've never gave an unidentified flying shit about dalien tbh.... i guess he could become an 80's sitcom star in another life, but. i just.... don't care about him....
i would rather have 5 days of dabmas... or devanmas? glad that they're going back to them for tomorrow though.
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alittledizzy wrote: Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:36 pm
plinthofmylife wrote: Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:30 pm That video was great.

I won't fill in details because PJ asked people to not share the intimate details outside patreon, but PJ just did a really good post on burnout/exhaustion today for his patreon backers.

So creative burnout, it's in the air - I've gotten similar "i am sorry I'm not making stuff right now" posts from half the other creators I back on patreon (including my own post about burnout a few weeks ago to my own backers). So yea, I'm glad to see them taking a break to figure out what they want to make.
It's interesting because I'm not sure that just the creative process itself is what's burning people out, I think it's a combination of the creative process along with flagging views. A trend in creators who are burning out (aside from Dan with his break, which I don't think is the same thing) is that they're people who are struggling to get numbers - usually struggling in a massive way. Grace went from being offered her own tv show to her videos rarely cracking 200k. Her podcast videos don't even get 10k views. Lilly Singh went from top of the youtube ladder to, over the course of the past year, getting a fraction of the views she used to get.

I think it must be very hard to be continuing to do exactly what you did before but now people are tired over it. And I think that's where Dan and Phil are at, and I think for them they're trying to figure out how to avoid that. Last year it was a worrying event if a video didn't reach a million views in a day. This year even Sims doesn't reach a million. I do think DAPG was still their biggest moneymaker just by virtue of regularity in posting, and I think it was easy content, but if they're going into 2019 without major plans they might be in a place where they think they'll have time and energy to do more than just the easy content - and also try to offer something fresh that does more than just coast on dedicated audience retention. And in that regard I think they're doing a pretty good job of avoiding the total burnout, which in the end will probably be better for us as an audience.

But I'm still sad about the gaming channel and I'm still gonna continue to have a knot in my stomach until we know what comes next.
i wholeheartedly agree. i think its more a what comes next rather than anything.
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I feel like they fucked up by not getting the dalien episode out of the way worse? Like I think it would have been a better idea to move Dab and Evan out, so we would know that was coming and anticipate it, then spend the rest of yesterday's episode doing the dalien room thing and ~Special Episode. We'd have all been hooked knowing the big devan apartment hunt and interior design was coming so I think we'd have been a little less unimpressed with dalien's stuff.

(But, you know, smh at them not asking my opinion. They should really check with me on these things.)
fizzymcguire wrote: Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:01 am i apologise and this is out of left field but i feel like a lot of tumblr is jumping the shark with proposals and coming outs and things and its starting to give me a headache? i agree these changes are jarring and i'm on edge too but theres something about the wild excitement and specific predictions that's not sitting too well with me. does anyone have any thoughts?
I think I'm trusting Dan and Phil's emphasis on how this is a creative break and not a life thing. I think that their personal comfort probably factors into everything but isn't the driving force behind the channel break. I still can't imagine any kind of official coming out - I think they're just happy to be more and more consistently themselves no matter what content they're making. So basically, I agree - I think the specific predictions about weddings or proposals or whatever don't ring that true to me.

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fizzymcguire wrote: Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:01 am i apologise and this is out of left field but i feel like a lot of tumblr is jumping the shark with proposals and coming outs and things and its starting to give me a headache? i agree these changes are jarring and i'm on edge too but theres something about the wild excitement and specific predictions that's not sitting too well with me. does anyone have any thoughts?
My thoughts are: oh man, I am right there with you with a full-on headache. I know the whole ‘omg they’re coming out any second now’ has been around forever and is always bothersome and just won’t die, but all of that on overdrive right now during this already weird and uncertain time is like bothersome-squared. Personally I find it frustrating for that to always be the assumed endgame for D&P (and depending on how some people sometimes phrase things, comes off like that should be the obvious endgame for all not-straight people- like a requirement to validate certain—or maybe all—details of their existence). The thing is, even if they end up getting a house next year (or anytime), they would by no stretch of the imagination need to “justify” it any more than they needed to justify remaining roommates in their current apartment, since I think that’s one of the reasons people think they’d “need” to “come out” sometime soon- to ‘explain’ why they’d get a house together. They enjoy living together, that’s clear, and is explanation enough for eternity if an explanation is ever in fact needed (which it’s.. not?). Idk dude, holiday time is stressful enough without being constantly inadvertently subjected to a braying chorus of people demanding queer people explain themselves for others’ entertainment.
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Ok so they ended their streak of perfect videos at 4, but that's fine I guess. I don't care for Dalien (and tbh I don't think they do either considering they mostly make fun of him) and this expansion pack didn't exactly allow for super interesting content. Phil apparently being up for joining an alien sex club according to Dan did make me pause, but that was about it.

btw 'a place to bant in peace'?? Dalien and his club are coming for IDB's branding.
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Catallena wrote: Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:42 am Ok so they ended their streak of perfect videos at 4, but that's fine I guess.
I totally feel that way, too. My partner asked if they should watch the most recent video and I was like "uh, if you want, tomorrow's gonna be wayyyy cuter tho" - usually I am like YES AND I WILL WATCH IT AGAIN WITH YOU.

That being said, they haven't really given Dalien much time of day, so sure, do that to feel like things are complete. BUT I WANT MORE DEVAN.
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fizzymcguire wrote: Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:01 am i apologise and this is out of left field but i feel like a lot of tumblr is jumping the shark with proposals and coming outs and things and its starting to give me a headache?[...]
My thoughts are: oh man, I am right there with you with a full-on headache.
Seriously, tumblr is out of control right now. I'm glad that other folx feel this way. It's just like, umm, I don't think anything big is coming, but if you need to think that to feel better about the break, then fine.

(I do think it's likely Dan will throw another baguette-sized bread crumb with his first DINOF video of 2019 because we know he has put a TON of pressure on that video and I think it's likely he'll want it to have a deeper meaning, and with all the gay these days, what else would there be? Other than possibly another mental health video or talking about identify as a creator in 2019...)
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I liked this one a lot, though it felt much more like the rest of their Sims videos than the extra special one yesterday. It feels bittersweet to finally give Dalien some attention so late, also I don’t think they did it justice, but in one episode with half of it about the redecorating, that’s a tough ask. I think they might have done more work on socialising or whatever to get into the second club in the jump cut before he was accepted cos it can be tough, the club owners can be really elitist, it’s like with romance options only becoming available once you’ve got the friendship to a certain threshold. I’ve only tried it once, tbh, I played a lot more sims 2 and that had similar things that took more work than they showed.

The club focus gave it a good theme, though there’s more you can do with teens, heck there’s a kids’ climbing frame in Sims 3 that teens can still use to hang out on, not sure if 4 has it, but it still has kids bringing home a friend from school sometimes. I don’t know if they’ve paid much attention to have nurtured that, they’ve clearly missed, or don’t care, that beds need space around them, spraying the underbed monster keeps being an option and interaction with toys like Drago is just for kids or adults like Tabitha with the childish trait.

Dan’s obsession with being cool cos you have a man bun (and calling it a man bun at all) had me :roll: but Dalien does look good. I like his blue/purple outfit and those red boots, good job, randomiser.

On all the speculation on tumblr, I haven’t seen much, but one post I saw that made some good points said they still didn’t expect anything direct for the same reasons as usual, namely their relationship becoming the product as well as criticism for not saying anything years ago and other YouTubers all commenting, making videos or joking about it.
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fancybum wrote: Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:40 am
fizzymcguire wrote: Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:01 am i apologise and this is out of left field but i feel like a lot of tumblr is jumping the shark with proposals and coming outs and things and its starting to give me a headache? i agree these changes are jarring and i'm on edge too but theres something about the wild excitement and specific predictions that's not sitting too well with me. does anyone have any thoughts?
My thoughts are: oh man, I am right there with you with a full-on headache. I know the whole ‘omg they’re coming out any second now’ has been around forever and is always bothersome and just won’t die, but all of that on overdrive right now during this already weird and uncertain time is like bothersome-squared. Personally I find it frustrating for that to always be the assumed endgame for D&P (and depending on how some people sometimes phrase things, comes off like that should be the obvious endgame for all not-straight people- like a requirement to validate certain—or maybe all—details of their existence). The thing is, even if they end up getting a house next year (or anytime), they would by no stretch of the imagination need to “justify” it any more than they needed to justify remaining roommates in their current apartment, since I think that’s one of the reasons people think they’d “need” to “come out” sometime soon- to ‘explain’ why they’d get a house together. They enjoy living together, that’s clear, and is explanation enough for eternity if an explanation is ever in fact needed (which it’s.. not?). Idk dude, holiday time is stressful enough without being constantly inadvertently subjected to a braying chorus of people demanding queer people explain themselves for others’ entertainment.
it's just so much?? we talk as a community all the time about internalized homophobia and whats expected of straight people vs. gay people vs what it means to have an adult relationship but i feel to some extent sometimes people get so reliant on this story they've made in their heads the mere thought of dan and phil...dare i say it...being real people...doesn't match up with what people want.

i do think the straights tm would raise their eyebrows at them buying a house together but that doesn't make it right or mean they'd have to say anything.
alittledizzy wrote: Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:20 am I think I'm trusting Dan and Phil's emphasis on how this is a creative break and not a life thing. I think that their personal comfort probably factors into everything but isn't the driving force behind the channel break. I still can't imagine any kind of official coming out - I think they're just happy to be more and more consistently themselves no matter what content they're making. So basically, I agree - I think the specific predictions about weddings or proposals or whatever don't ring that true to me.

(Also, hi!! Lovely to see you around here! :D)
yeah agreed - loosening up a bit and doing what they genuinely want allows them more freedom in all aspects and i can believe it's less stressful as well. a coming out would have the opposite effect.

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I'm actually really glad they didn't tell us 10 would be the final PINOF before it happened because of the speculation hype. Every year there's always "what if they come out?!?" and "what if one of them proposes?!??" but if they'd said clearly in advance that it was the final one, it would've flown off the charts. And really no matter what they did - people would've been disappointed and sad (and probably angry) because I don't think D&P would've approached it any differently than they already did. I'm glad we had a chance to enjoy it on its own terms and not put extra high expectations on it.

There's already a bit of joy lost, for me at least, in the Sims week knowing that this could be the final run of the channel. More just in the "change is scary" way than the actual content though, probably. Although if they want to do a more general collab channel instead with other things and maybe also some games mixed in, that was what I was hoping for when they first brought up Project X and everyone predicted gaming.

For Dan... if the theme of 2019 is going to be "giving the people what D&P want" then that would be a good video to start with. Or anything that would tell us what direction the transition that's happening right now is going to go. I would expect something like that before diving into more personal things, but also I'm usually wrong.
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apathy wrote: Sat Dec 22, 2018 2:40 am I'm actually really glad they didn't tell us 10 would be the final PINOF before it happened because of the speculation hype. Every year there's always "what if they come out?!?" and "what if one of them proposes?!??" but if they'd said clearly in advance that it was the final one, it would've flown off the charts. And really no matter what they did - people would've been disappointed and sad (and probably angry) because I don't think D&P would've approached it any differently than they already did. I'm glad we had a chance to enjoy it on its own terms and not put extra high expectations on it.
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apathy wrote: Sat Dec 22, 2018 2:40 am For Dan... if the theme of 2019 is going to be "giving the people what D&P want" then that would be a good video to start with. Or anything that would tell us what direction the transition that's happening right now is going to go. I would expect something like that before diving into more personal things, but also I'm usually wrong.
I would love to see this happen, it would give more insight as to what we can expect throughout the year, and I'd be happy to see them doing what they truly want to do. That'd make me happy ;;
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fancybum wrote: Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:40 am
fizzymcguire wrote: Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:01 am i apologise and this is out of left field but i feel like a lot of tumblr is jumping the shark with proposals and coming outs and things and its starting to give me a headache? i agree these changes are jarring and i'm on edge too but theres something about the wild excitement and specific predictions that's not sitting too well with me. does anyone have any thoughts?
My thoughts are: oh man, I am right there with you with a full-on headache. I know the whole ‘omg they’re coming out any second now’ has been around forever and is always bothersome and just won’t die, but all of that on overdrive right now during this already weird and uncertain time is like bothersome-squared. Personally I find it frustrating for that to always be the assumed endgame for D&P (and depending on how some people sometimes phrase things, comes off like that should be the obvious endgame for all not-straight people- like a requirement to validate certain—or maybe all—details of their existence). The thing is, even if they end up getting a house next year (or anytime), they would by no stretch of the imagination need to “justify” it any more than they needed to justify remaining roommates in their current apartment, since I think that’s one of the reasons people think they’d “need” to “come out” sometime soon- to ‘explain’ why they’d get a house together. They enjoy living together, that’s clear, and is explanation enough for eternity if an explanation is ever in fact needed (which it’s.. not?). Idk dude, holiday time is stressful enough without being constantly inadvertently subjected to a braying chorus of people demanding queer people explain themselves for others’ entertainment.
I agree. I feel guilty sometimes because I can get carried away myself. It's easy to do when you see everyone else talking about it and you get excited and want to join in. I think the phandom just needs to reel itself back a little. I think uncertainty is distressing for some people and that's why the thought of them coming out is relieving, but their personal needs come first. Honestly the whole anti vs demon debate makes me stressed as hell because of course I don't want to be disrespecting my idols, but also it's ok to think they're together, yknow? There's just so many different opinions between here and tumblr and I just want to find the line between enjoying the ship and behaving respectfully. The phandom is my family and I just want peace tbh
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i don't like the thought of them "coming out" because i think they can fully pull off (and are currently doing) a slow transition of just living out. but like, all power to them if they do decide to do the former option.
a flat out, forward "i'm not straight" is more stressful and less relieving, in my experiences at least.
also i have taken part of the whole proposal fantasy, just as an idea of a what if? situation. i don't even personally like the idea or expectation of marriage, but i've just had some cute thoughts. i don't think their break is marriage related, i just think it's a getaway after spending a year promoting their world tour. and the filming flat's lease is up probs idk.
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This is probably going to make me sound like a complete idiot but I’m too scared to watch Dilmas because I can’t bear the thought of them being on hiatus after, or them killing off Dil. It’ll make me too sad. I’ve been stuck in this weird limbo since they announced the hiatus and it made me more sad than I thought it would. I am projecting because 2018 has been a super tough year and when things come “to an end” it pushes me over the edge slightly.

I’ve enjoyed reading all your comments about the series so far, i think I’m gonna save up the videos until the end and you guys say that Dil makes it 😂

Instastories though, they’re giving me life. I’m all up for a quaint tea party. Phil looking fancy af.
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I mean, there are posts on tumblr that are wedding related but, from what i've seen, the majority are not serious? I don't think people - except for some cases - truly believe dnp are about to get married or something. Honestly, i find that theory less stressful than the one where they're gonna leave YouTube and move apart, which I saw right after the liveshow, for example. I don't know, man. The phandom is famous for not acting chill when it's stepping on unknown territory and I'll admit I feel on the edge myself and I'm not sure why.

I agree with people saying that an official coming out will not happen. It's just not their style and the selfish part of me doesn't want them to, because I really hate this idea that queer people NEED to come out at some point or their not-straight card will be revoked. To me it's already obvious that they're not straight and if some people don't see it, well.. it's their problem. If dnp end up buying a house together, they will without saying a damn thing about why. It's how they have approached things so far and it's something I don't expect them to change.
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fancybum wrote: Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:40 am
fizzymcguire wrote: Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:01 am i apologise and this is out of left field but i feel like a lot of tumblr is jumping the shark with proposals and coming outs and things and its starting to give me a headache? i agree these changes are jarring and i'm on edge too but theres something about the wild excitement and specific predictions that's not sitting too well with me. does anyone have any thoughts?
My thoughts are: oh man, I am right there with you with a full-on headache. I know the whole ‘omg they’re coming out any second now’ has been around forever and is always bothersome and just won’t die, but all of that on overdrive right now during this already weird and uncertain time is like bothersome-squared. Personally I find it frustrating for that to always be the assumed endgame for D&P (and depending on how some people sometimes phrase things, comes off like that should be the obvious endgame for all not-straight people- like a requirement to validate certain—or maybe all—details of their existence). The thing is, even if they end up getting a house next year (or anytime), they would by no stretch of the imagination need to “justify” it any more than they needed to justify remaining roommates in their current apartment, since I think that’s one of the reasons people think they’d “need” to “come out” sometime soon- to ‘explain’ why they’d get a house together. They enjoy living together, that’s clear, and is explanation enough for eternity if an explanation is ever in fact needed (which it’s.. not?). Idk dude, holiday time is stressful enough without being constantly inadvertently subjected to a braying chorus of people demanding queer people explain themselves for others’ entertainment.
Oh yes, completely agree!

Coming out isn't necessary for D&P to do and I think people tend to forget that it could have a lot of negative consequences. Their relationship wouldn't just be a secret that stayed between them and us. It would be so much bigger than that because the news would spread and even if their viewership has gone down over the years, there's still loads of people (including Youtubers and journalists) who do know who they are and would talk about it and make a big deal of it and I think that type of attention is the last thing D&P would want. Not to mention that I believe they value their privacy too much to share their relationship with the world and make it open to be scrutinized (because romantic relationships get scrutinized more than friendships do). There's other reasons as to why I doubt they'd ever confirm their relationship (or at least not in the next few years while they're still relevant) but I think my stance on this is pretty clear by now.

I'd say this belief that D&P are going to come out is a part of some people thinking that D&P are always building up to something big and that every step they make is gonna be bigger and better than the previous one. (Kinda like how some people felt disappointed after the pumpkin carving video because it didn't top the mukbang video). And yes, they're more comfortable with us and have made lots of progress over the years regarding many different things but I think you shouldn't get too carried away with your theories/assumptions and remember that they're real people who make their own decisions and not characters in some romantic story that you've build up in your head. Slow down and don't constantly put expectations on D&P because you're probably just going to end being disappointed when they can't live up to them.
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I realize when I read the words coming out I dont immediately think about what a lot of people seem to think? I don't think they have to come out, hell no one has to, but I think they've steadily been moving for years into a position where they can be considered out? As in that's it, this is a long term couple, how cool.

I don't expect big declarations in video or tweets, I agree it's probably not something they want but at this point I'm not confident saying it'll never 100% happen. I never thought Dan would do a video on his mental health but he did. I never thought he would say in a liveshow that he's going to Phil's family right before Christmas, but he did. I don't understand why the idea that in the future they might say something that confirms they're a couple (and I'm not calling a coming out because it's not?) is so..taboo? Celebrity straight couples announce their relationships as well? I honestly don't get it.

Just to be clear, I dont care about it, I think they're a couple I don't need a confirmation, its actually people that don't think they are together that usually say they won't believe until they confirm it so idk why the argument is about shippers specifically (I'm now talking more in general)

Anyway I only watched half the video because I'm travelling most of the day and for how much I wanted an episode on Dalien (I'm a sucker for the characters left on the side) I just .didn't care enough to finish it? I want more Devan thanks
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Re: Changes and Breaks

I think I'm like 90% Emotionally Satisfied and 10% melancholic(?) but also 100% excited for what the future might bring.

DAPG is my favorite content of theirs, but only because it's the only consistent duo content in an easy to consume format. I do like their solo stuff, but they have a really fantastic chemistry, and I think most people would agree. So I'll be happy even if it doesn't come back as long as we get an equivalent. I really don't think they'll quit YouTube, I think they're just searching for their perfect fit.

Actually, I think a variety & vlogs channel might be a nice change of pace, it would give them more freedom with the type of content they felt like uploading instead of suffering through games they find boring out of obligation to upload, and it would allow them to continue series like The Sims from time to time without having to run an entire gaming channel. Just an idea :shrug:

Anyway whatever is coming in the future, I think a break will be good for them. I've noticed Dan has been having dark circles, and that's a symptom of adrenal fatigue, which is caused persistent stress on the body. I'm not really worried since it seems mild, but I'm happy waiting for him to refresh :ribena:

Re: Being Out and Making Assumptions

Not only are they out in my opinion, but I don't really think they've ever fully been in. Even during the reign of No Homo Howell I don't ever recall him saying he was straight, he was just emphasizing (a lot) that he wasn't gay (true) and that he wasn't with Phil (sure JDan).

I don't know if we'll ever get to hear them say the words "I'm bi" out loud (as much as it would quench my parched soul to hear those... I was going to say # syllables but I actually don't know how many syllables that is lol oops), but we have heard choice things like Dan directly implying in Internet Support Group 9 that if you think he has experience with boys, you're correct. Or Phil regularly using male names for stuff. I don't know why we're expected to take that stuff as a straight guys making gay jokes when the logical conclusion is bi guys making bi jokes.

I know some of the phandom thinks it's not okay for us to make assumptions about D&P, but after seeing them expecting we would take the hint about PINOF and DvP ending, I think it's safe to say they fully expect us to make assumptions about certain things from the hints that they drop. This seems like a regular tactic of theirs over the years, and passively giving information seems to fit with both their personalities.

Based on the fact that they cleared things up about PINOF and DvP ending, I think it's also safe to say that they're finally beginning to realize that not all of their hints are quite as obvious to everybody as they think they are...

:love2: and now for your regularly scheduled demonic possession :love2:

They're individually out, but their relationship status is much less clear (even if most people have picked up on something). It's been really nice seeing their growth from the tragedy of 2012 to the majesty of 20gayteen, but they've never been fully quite as blatant about what exactly their relationship is. Lots (oh god lots :happytears: ) of flirting has been going on, entire bakeries have been dropped from the sky onto unsuspecting forest floors below, and now we've even got direct parallels being drawn between themselves and Devan, but at the end of the day it's all still just in the realm of hinting. All we get is... something.

With that said, I'm in agreement that it feels like they've been slowly building up to a point where they can make it obvious what exactly their relationship status is without necessarily having to say "hey guys we're together" (and no I don't think they're getting married, or if they did they might tell us in 20 years from now :snow: ). I think something along the lines of Dan's casual insinuations like "the only reason I'm watching this show is because boys in speedos" could well be on the horizon.

In other words, I'm all in on team Forever Home 2k19 :rainbow:
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I agree with too many things to quote, but - any former Glee fans around? I think they're going the Kevin McHale route, and I also think that is exactly why they don't want any definite soundbites about their sexuality (and I am going to go the sexuality/relationship as a combined topic route with this, because I'm me and that should surprise no one). He spent years being very open about not being straight, attending lgbtq events, liking non-straight stuff on twitter, flailing over m/m ships on shows, posting cute pictures of his boyfriend and them together. The only thing he didn't do was say, "I'm gay. This is my boyfriend." because he wanted people to just know without him saying it, and he thought they did.

When Kevin did eventually use the word gay re: himself it was in a purely joke setting (a tweet about something Ariana Grande did being gayer than he is) and still because he used That Word the media did their normal freakout wave of headlines and quotes. I feel like his response is exactly what Dan and Phil would say in that situation:
“I was freaking out. I was like, something happened that I don’t know about. And then I saw that it was the tweet. People were like, ‘Oh, you just came out.’ I was like, did I?” McHale explained that the people following him closely on social media have known. “I think there was zero surprise,” he said. (x)
His whole deal just proved how hard our society pulls to not declaratively state anything besides the ever-present assumed heterosexual normativity even when the person in question is doing nothing to hide things. And that's exactly why the 'coming out' theories don't ring true to me; I think it's hard for me to imagine Dan and Phil inviting that shitstorm of attention - not from within their fandom but from outside of it. But I end up agreeing with a lot of both side of this because I still fully think their goal is to live out (to whatever extent is comfortable for them at any given moment - which yeah, can change in both ways depending on a lot of factors... who they're talking to, how public it is, their mood that day) without an official Coming Out.
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