Hmmm... capital “H”?
I don’t know her.
Hacker was my first thought too, but the blue icon and header caught me off guard. It made me think of the Blue for Sudan thing going around Instagram. Iirc there wasn't a header/icon image on that account before but I could be misremembering. If it was always blue then I would say it's a hacker, but if it wasn't then I would be a little more confused. Why would someone have the moral ambiguity to hack someone else's Twitter account, change the icon to raise awareness for something, but then not tweet out anything more than a "hey"? Not saying it couldn't be a hacker if that was the case, just that it's kinda a weird sequence of events.obsessivelymoody wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:57 am My mind tells me hacker, and my demon mind tells me Phil is the hacker. Either way, pretty sure the account has been hacked and I'm wondering if this is the next ~gate to hit us.
If it is indeed the blue for Sudan symbol, and if it was recently changed, that might actually be a stronger indicator of the account being hacked, because according to this article people/bots are trying to gain followers and money by pretending to be advocates about the crisis.anathema wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:04 amHacker was my first thought too, but the blue icon and header caught me off guard. It made me think of the Blue for Sudan thing going around Instagram. Iirc there wasn't a header/icon image on that account before but I could be misremembering. If it was always blue then I would say it's a hacker, but if it wasn't then I would be a little more confused. Why would someone have the moral ambiguity to hack someone else's Twitter account, change the icon to raise awareness for something, but then not tweet out anything more than a "hey"? Not saying it couldn't be a hacker if that was the case, just that it's kinda a weird sequence of events.obsessivelymoody wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:57 am My mind tells me hacker, and my demon mind tells me Phil is the hacker. Either way, pretty sure the account has been hacked and I'm wondering if this is the next ~gate to hit us.
I think Pj and Chris have to have known. I'd say probably Tyler as well.
There’s probably only a small few that knew firsthand and a wider circle that knew secondhand. For instance, if they ever told Louise directly, then by extension Zoe and Alfie would know, then Joe and Caspar and so on.Lobster wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:39 amI think Pj and Chris have to have known. I'd say probably Tyler as well.
Wasn't there some comment in a Tomska vlog about not filming Dan and Phil? I think Jack Howard said something?? I'm assuming they knew. Although I could be completely making up that memory.
Edit: I found the clip I was thinking of. Not in a Tom vlog, but he was also there.
I don't actually know things about Jack Howard but I have opinions on this just because the story of Jack outing Jimmy to Chels in 2013 is a pet fascination of mine. In that situation, Jimmy hadn't told him (he was going off rumors and/or guesses) and Jack was meeting Chels for the first time, so it wasn't sticking within a friend group. It seems to me like if Jack knew in a definitive way about D&P, it would have spread immediately, but then again maybe it did and it was just camouflaged by the usual shipping and rumors. And it does seem to me that even if Jack didn't know, he probably guessed and gossiped about it.
This is the thing. If the entirety of the phandom basically knew, to the point where Daniel admitted it was "obvious," then what constitutes as "knowing" if you're a youtuber? I guess Daniel and Phil actually telling you.alittledizzy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:31 pm My guess would be that almost no one knew for sure (PJ, Bryony, Ian) but that there was a wider subset of people that assumed because either they were present in 2009 and saw the formation of Dan and Phil as a duo (Jimmy, Cat, etc) or saw the Valentine's Day video when it leaked (basically everyone in the UK British youtube circle at that point or that came shortly after - Emma, Evan, Jack, etc) and gossiped as though it was fact but were far too removed Know because Dan and Phil actually wanted them to know.
I also doubt Tyler had it confirmed for him, but don't forget that Tyler and Cat were both VERY familiar with having close friends who were popular youtubers and closeted in that era. I think both of them would be the sort of people to see the situation, make assumptions, and proceed very with an attempt at tact but maybe sometimes clumsily so from that point on.
Yeah, for me I'd count knowing as Dan and Phil telling you, though... like. Dan himself said that late 2009/into 2010 was a period of self acceptance for him, so I think they probably did casually confirm it to a lot of people that they just haru'd later on. Like you said, people at the Halloween gathering, people at parties that year, etc.eevee wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:43 pmThis is the thing. If the entirety of the phandom basically knew, to the point where Daniel admitted it was "obvious," then what constitutes as "knowing" if you're a youtuber? I guess Daniel and Phil actually telling you.alittledizzy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:31 pm My guess would be that almost no one knew for sure (PJ, Bryony, Ian) but that there was a wider subset of people that assumed because either they were present in 2009 and saw the formation of Dan and Phil as a duo (Jimmy, Cat, etc) or saw the Valentine's Day video when it leaked (basically everyone in the UK British youtube circle at that point or that came shortly after - Emma, Evan, Jack, etc) and gossiped as though it was fact but were far too removed Know because Dan and Phil actually wanted them to know.
I also doubt Tyler had it confirmed for him, but don't forget that Tyler and Cat were both VERY familiar with having close friends who were popular youtubers and closeted in that era. I think both of them would be the sort of people to see the situation, make assumptions, and proceed very with an attempt at tact but maybe sometimes clumsily so from that point on.
For example Charlieskies and Teoh and Lex and PJ and everyone at that halloween gathering with the fountain and the famous hand-on-waist clip must have known. they weren't hiding it at that point. they kissed in public. so....
but then after that, it was obvious to everyone, general public included. So, if Daniel never told his friends or family, they must have had a pretty good idea just like we did. I personally would guess that some or all members of his family deliberately avoided consuming Daniel's content in order to stay in denial. Or just because it was awkward that it was right there, but Daniel hadn't told them.
I'm getting into hardcore speculation town but hey, what is idb about?
That's what I wanted to say too, just based on the fact Dan wasn't even out to his family. I agree with the second part too. I actually kind of like how Cat apparently tried to protect them with all her awkward saves? She either knew because she's (or at least was) quite a close friend or she assumed and she did the right thing. I'm very curious if Louise knew by the way, but then I've always been curious if her and Dan are really as close as they used to say.alittledizzy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:31 pm My guess would be that almost no one knew for sure (PJ, Bryony, Ian) but that there was a wider subset of people that assumed because either they were present in 2009 and saw the formation of Dan and Phil as a duo (Jimmy, Cat, etc) or saw the Valentine's Day video when it leaked (basically everyone in the UK British youtube circle at that point or that came shortly after - Emma, Evan, Jack, etc) and gossiped as though it was fact but were far too removed Know because Dan and Phil actually wanted them to know.
I also doubt Tyler had it confirmed for him, but don't forget that Tyler and Cat were both VERY familiar with having close friends who were popular youtubers and closeted in that era. I think both of them would be the sort of people to see the situation, make assumptions, and proceed very with an attempt at tact but maybe sometimes clumsily so from that point on.
This hits so much harder now he's come out somehow, especially considering that there's a good chance Charlie and Emma might have known or strongly suspected it based on what dizzy wrote. What they did is bad even if they'd done it to someone who was actually straight but with all that backstory added to it it's just unbelievably cruel.Templeofshame wrote:There's also the fact of the Charlieskies outing situation, where people (e.g. Emma, Evan) were actively laughing at Dan and other people (wirrow) tried to deescalate the situation.
yeah I've been wondering, too! One of the first things I rewatched after seeing Dan's coming out video is that one liveshow he did after "Trying to Live My Truth" where he was being VERY DEFENSIVE about people "detecting penises" in what he said. And it's not like it actually "hits differently", as them kids say, because even then it was obvious he hadn't quite thought it through and was backtracking, but as I was watching it, now with the knowledge of what he went through, and thinking about how I just want to give him a hug, I was also struck by the realisation that in that liveshow he didn't seem in any way prepared to drop a coming out video going into even half as much details about his life as the one that we ended with. In the mukbang, Phil talked about Dan's breakdown before the start of II and how because of it Phil wasn't certain, until the very last moment, that they would be able to do it at all. I wonder if Dan's conflicted feelings about coming out, all while thinking about his relationship with his audience, as it was the show's central theme, is what caused that.Grey wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:54 pm I’m thinking about the alternate timeline where dan posted that video last June and I’m kind of confused about it. If he had posted it then... they would have finished their tour with this being public knowledge? Would that even be safe? Also, the last PINOF would have been uploaded with this being public knowledge?!?! That’s so weird to me.
I don’t have a point. It’s just something I’ve been pondering.
I would think their coworkers at the BBC would be the last people Daniel and Phil would actually tell, considering it's a professional environment and that's none of their business. It's against social etiquette to ask questions like that at work. That being said it certainly does happen, and i'm sure things are more relaxed in the entertainment biz. Nosy people who would straight up ask them certainly exist, but in a professional environment it's the socially acceptable response to be like "none of your business." So, it's possible their coworkers speculated, but i would think it's incredibly doubtful that daniel or phil would ever tell them, or their coworkers would push the question.RiriPandaHeart2 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:41 pm One thing that's been on my mind was whether their co-workers at the BBC and their management knew about their relationship or not. I don't think everyone knew (looking back on all the comments they said about being attracted to Dan... cause wouldn't that be awkward kind of jokingly flirting with him when Phil was there too?), but I'm thinking specifically Aled, Molly, and Jameela. I'm not sure who handled them at that time, but do you think at least Marianne knew? (Also, sorry for speculating Dan. i hope you're not on here. )
Good question. I'm thinking it's possible and most likely that friends of Daniel's who were there from the start, meaning the halloween party/not hiding the relationship part, would feel they could reach out to Daniel about this once they see him struggling publicly, because they know for sure that he's with Phil. And maybe they did this even after them and Daniel drifted apart. So that could've upset Daniel at the time with how sensitive of a topic it was for him.RiriPandaHeart2 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:41 pmThere's also a part of Dan's video which made me curious about who he was referring to. After saying that he basically shut down after people were prying into their relationship, he said this: "Most I'm sure just wanted what was best for me, and I feel such genuine sadness and I'm sorry that I couldn't be closer to and more truthful with the people in my life that were just trying to be nice, but I wasn't ready to deal with it at this time..."
It makes me think that people who really knew him tried to approach Dan (and probably Phil too) and gave him advice on how to deal with their problems, or who just wanted to be there for him at that time. But I think, from the way he said it, that he (they?) didn't really accept that help and decided on his (their?) own way of "containing" their problem. My other thought is that whether this statement extends to the well-intentioned fans who really just wanted them to be happy or if this was limited to people they know irl. I know I'll probably never know the answer to these questions, but I'm curious about what other people think about this.