Omgsonew wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2019 4:31 pm
phanfckingtastic wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:54 pm
Cool, if it means nothing then let’s just never do anything, especially nothing to ever disturb sweet baby angel phil who apparently everybody knows saves the world in many areas in his spare time, and have celebrities constantly share about clothes and food and animals on social media, but nothing else, ever. That’s great. Fuck the metoo movement, fuck blm, fuck years of insistence and public pressure for marriage equality. We’re fine. How dare I demand a little statement to pay respect and be grateful that you get to choose how you live in 2019. I forgot normal rules never apply to magical deities dan and phil.
You don’t understand how it’s important that people of a group who are better off stand up for the less privileged of that group? Have you lived under a rock for the last 20 years?
I stg it’s almost creepy how dan and phil get away with anything here. (Except droughts. Those are unforgivable.)
Anyway, I’ve said all I had to say. Time to go back to the real world.
I empathise with your frustration so much. In the past, I've also been angry and bitter at privileged celebrities wasting their platforms to do good in the world even at a super basic level.
As you seem to be very goal-oriented and nothing anyone's countered you with regarding ethics/philosophy has affected your opinions, please at least hear this: being tough on queer people and demanding more from them than they give SCARES other queer people from even trying or coming out in the first place. No one wants that kind of pressure and scrutiny; to be thrust into the role of an activist and an ambassador just because of
what you are, and then be heavily criticised from a million new angles where people link your failures as an individual to why homophobia exists and people are suffering.
Objectively, yes, battles don't get won if no one fights. Shying away from activism is personally something I don't really like in another person, even if I recognise the unfairness of the situation and their inherent right to not engage with it. But I believe you are doing more harm for your cause than good by spreading the feeling that pride is something you have to do RIGHT. From a moral standpoint, I disagree with placing the responsibility entirely on the shoulders of the oppressed, but if you won't listen to such reasoning, then my standpoint as someone like you who wants practical effect in the world is that you catch more flies with honey.
This is why it’s impossible to have a discussion here.
I never said what he had to say or do. Just a simple gesture of acknowledgment. A tweet, a photo, 10 mins at the parade bar, an ig story of a flag. A tweet today, vague and just saying he didn’t go? Yes, I’m very unimpressed.
BUT
My demands, for the 100th time, are from phil. Not all queer people, not each forum user, not your lesbian grandma. I do personally believe we all as people (and LGTBQ+) ought to help those less privileged as much as we can. Again, if you’re safe and out, in case of us queers. I mainly talked about phil, who is barely owning up to the symbolic responsibility that comes with being in the single digits percentage of peoole of certain privilege in the whole fucking wide world. That’s all.
That’s not doing “more harm”, that’s being an adult and telling it like it is.
Not everything you read or hear is secretly about you. Not every comment on dan and phil is about you (collective you), either.
And even if it indirectly touched anybody reading this in any way, it’s on the reader, not on me.
I’ve been clear and I’m understanding of people’s circumstances. I would’ve respected it more if phil had tweeted “I wasn’t able to go”, for instance. Even without further explanation.
I’m not so understanding of the need to jump to the defense of a highly privileged man against valid criticism like I’m punching a baby in the face.