Still 'hmmm' about this book.
Tell you what I'd love to see from Dan, although suppose it may be a v personal thing, is more of his piano playing. He's shown us snippets every now and then, and perhaps an entire video would be overkill, but I find it so very soothing!
Dan & Phil Part 95: ASS (Aquarium Staff Seminar)
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I follow Bryony on Insta and she posted about being interviewed in the June 2020 Cosmopolitan UK magazine for an article about former YouTubers. I was interested, so I tracked down the article and am posting the text below, in case anyone else wants to read it.
What happens when your YouTube spotlight fades?
Fifteen years since YouTube began, Emily Gulla tracks down some of the platform’s original superstars. Her question? What happens when the camera stops rolling?
What happens when your YouTube spotlight fades?
Fifteen years since YouTube began, Emily Gulla tracks down some of the platform’s original superstars. Her question? What happens when the camera stops rolling?
thank you thank you THANK YOU for this!!! it's genuinely so appreciated! i was looking for a way to read this.Megancita75 wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 3:34 pm I follow Bryony on Insta and she posted about being interviewed in the June 2020 Cosmopolitan UK magazine for an article about former YouTubers. I was interested, so I tracked down the article and am posting the text below, in case anyone else wants to read it.
What happens when your YouTube spotlight fades?
Fifteen years since YouTube began, Emily Gulla tracks down some of the platform’s original superstars. Her question? What happens when the camera stops rolling?
it's a fascinating read, because, while we know and love bryony, charlie was definitely one of my favorite youtubers for a time. it's odd to read through his POV of old videos that feel like they came out yesterday. 2013 was 7 years ago and that blows my mind. so much has changed.
i'm most interested in bryony's take on a youtuber's personality being their brand, in the context of dan and phil. i know she's definitely speaking for herself, but given their close friendship, i can't help but assume they feel the exact same way. in particular, this bit:
i completely see that in how and why dan and phil have stepped away from who they've been on yt. their "duoness" (for lack of a better word) brands their relationship and it's just not genuine. and they're certainly not gonna put the real thing on youtube.“It’s all tied up in your own self-worth. The appeal of YouTubers, generally, is that they’re real people,” Bryony continues. She remembers starting to edit her behaviour in real-time while filming videos, forcing herself to appear more energised and alive in line with her YouTube persona but, she says, “I just didn’t feel very genuine any more.”
anyway. great read. thank you a billion again for posting!!
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Yes thank you Megancita! Very helpful insight rizzo.rizzo wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 3:55 pmthank you thank you THANK YOU for this!!! it's genuinely so appreciated! i was looking for a way to read this.Megancita75 wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 3:34 pm I follow Bryony on Insta and she posted about being interviewed in the June 2020 Cosmopolitan UK magazine for an article about former YouTubers. I was interested, so I tracked down the article and am posting the text below, in case anyone else wants to read it.
What happens when your YouTube spotlight fades?
Fifteen years since YouTube began, Emily Gulla tracks down some of the platform’s original superstars. Her question? What happens when the camera stops rolling?
it's a fascinating read, because, while we know and love bryony, charlie was definitely one of my favorite youtubers for a time. it's odd to read through his POV of old videos that feel like they came out yesterday. 2013 was 7 years ago and that blows my mind. so much has changed.
i'm most interested in bryony's take on a youtuber's personality being their brand, in the context of dan and phil. i know she's definitely speaking for herself, but given their close friendship, i can't help but assume they feel the exact same way. in particular, this bit:
i completely see that in how and why dan and phil have stepped away from who they've been on yt. their "duoness" (for lack of a better word) brands their relationship and it's just not genuine. and they're certainly not gonna put the real thing on youtube.“It’s all tied up in your own self-worth. The appeal of YouTubers, generally, is that they’re real people,” Bryony continues. She remembers starting to edit her behaviour in real-time while filming videos, forcing herself to appear more energised and alive in line with her YouTube persona but, she says, “I just didn’t feel very genuine any more.”
anyway. great read. thank you a billion again for posting!!
“When your whole channel is based on your own personality, any criticism feels like someone clawing at your soul.”
Yeah...
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That’s sort of the frustrating thing though as an audience member—will we never see the authentic portrayal of their relationship? Were the 10 years of D&P as we knew and saw them through persona and social media different from “real life” Dan and Phil in any significant way?rizzo wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 3:55 pmthank you thank you THANK YOU for this!!! it's genuinely so appreciated! i was looking for a way to read this.Megancita75 wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 3:34 pm I follow Bryony on Insta and she posted about being interviewed in the June 2020 Cosmopolitan UK magazine for an article about former YouTubers. I was interested, so I tracked down the article and am posting the text below, in case anyone else wants to read it.
What happens when your YouTube spotlight fades?
Fifteen years since YouTube began, Emily Gulla tracks down some of the platform’s original superstars. Her question? What happens when the camera stops rolling?
it's a fascinating read, because, while we know and love bryony, charlie was definitely one of my favorite youtubers for a time. it's odd to read through his POV of old videos that feel like they came out yesterday. 2013 was 7 years ago and that blows my mind. so much has changed.
i'm most interested in bryony's take on a youtuber's personality being their brand, in the context of dan and phil. i know she's definitely speaking for herself, but given their close friendship, i can't help but assume they feel the exact same way. in particular, this bit:
i completely see that in how and why dan and phil have stepped away from who they've been on yt. their "duoness" (for lack of a better word) brands their relationship and it's just not genuine. and they're certainly not gonna put the real thing on youtube.“It’s all tied up in your own self-worth. The appeal of YouTubers, generally, is that they’re real people,” Bryony continues. She remembers starting to edit her behaviour in real-time while filming videos, forcing herself to appear more energised and alive in line with her YouTube persona but, she says, “I just didn’t feel very genuine any more.”
anyway. great read. thank you a billion again for posting!!
I totally get not wanting to brand or sell out the relationship aspect and lose sight of the creators, but it makes me wonder if we were treated to such an inauthentic portrayal of their relationship before that they don’t want to serve that fiction anymore and simply opt not to show anything because we wouldn’t even recognize it? That’s probably a stretch, but why is there is such a hard line drawn to pre-BIG and everything after?
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I was reading something the other day that made me think of DnP, which was the obituary for the American comedian and actor Jerry Stiller (and the actor Ben Stiller's father). He and his wife, Anne Meara, were married for 61 years and for about 10 of those years, between 1960 and 1970, they had a hugely popular act as a comedy team, appearing on all kinds of variety television shows. But in 1970 they deliberately broke up their act, at the peak of its popularity. This is what they had to say about it:
The good news is that after taking a break from working together, they eventually worked together again, just in different ways. And they both had long and successful individual careers as actors and writers.
Anyway, that made me start thinking about other partnerships that are both professional and romantic, and whether most of those also end up with the couple deliberately choosing not to work together anymore.
“I love Anne, but if I had depended on her in my professional life, I would have lost her as a wife,” Mr. Stiller told People in 1977.
Meara ... told the magazine, “I didn’t know where the act ended and our marriage began.”
Meara ... told the magazine, “I didn’t know where the act ended and our marriage began.”
The good news is that after taking a break from working together, they eventually worked together again, just in different ways. And they both had long and successful individual careers as actors and writers.
Anyway, that made me start thinking about other partnerships that are both professional and romantic, and whether most of those also end up with the couple deliberately choosing not to work together anymore.
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I was thinking about this earlier, weirdly - I’ve seen a lot of people say they made a specific decision to not be seen on camera together after BIG, or that there was a specific decision made in that regard for the good of their relationship, but I’ve not always believed that’s the case (or perhaps, I should say, if it was the main motivator, but a nice side-effect maybe). It does seem like that sometimes, especially alongside their step back from social media (especially Dan), but I still don’t think that’s the main reason.
I feel like they did know at the time that II/the gaming channel hiatus would be the end of them working together in that sort of full-time way - perhaps not forever, but for a good while, because they had other things they wanted to do individually (as mentioned in the early II shows, and by Phil in his Draw My Life 2). I’ve always believed that what they said in late 2018 weren’t lies *at the time*, but that things changed over time - I think they took their break from the gaming channel, Dan worked on BIG and other projects, Phil worked on other projects alongside YouTube, and I think they - probably just didn’t want to re-introduce the rigour of making vids for DAPG among the new things they were doing that they presumably were/are passionate about, and that’s continued to this day. But I don’t think they’ve necessarily put a moratorium on ever working together again, I just don’t think they have a particular thing they want to do together at the moment. I do admit I find it a little strange that Dan never appears in Phil’s vids any more, but on the other hand, he’s just not around online *at all* any more so that’s just part of it, presumably. Whatever ‘it’ is.
It does break my heart that outside of those merch Christmas messages and the occasional Insta story, we haven’t actually seen them together on camera in nearly 18 months, but it is what it is.
But then again, there are things like the fact they specifically asked FBE and YouTube to appear separately, and you have to wonder … but until and unless they choose to talk about it (unlikely), we can only theorise.
tl;dr - I think they chose to work on things separately not solely because they didn’t want to be a double act any more, but just because they just wanted to do different things as 2018 came to a close.
Obviously as always, this is all conjecture.
I feel like they did know at the time that II/the gaming channel hiatus would be the end of them working together in that sort of full-time way - perhaps not forever, but for a good while, because they had other things they wanted to do individually (as mentioned in the early II shows, and by Phil in his Draw My Life 2). I’ve always believed that what they said in late 2018 weren’t lies *at the time*, but that things changed over time - I think they took their break from the gaming channel, Dan worked on BIG and other projects, Phil worked on other projects alongside YouTube, and I think they - probably just didn’t want to re-introduce the rigour of making vids for DAPG among the new things they were doing that they presumably were/are passionate about, and that’s continued to this day. But I don’t think they’ve necessarily put a moratorium on ever working together again, I just don’t think they have a particular thing they want to do together at the moment. I do admit I find it a little strange that Dan never appears in Phil’s vids any more, but on the other hand, he’s just not around online *at all* any more so that’s just part of it, presumably. Whatever ‘it’ is.
It does break my heart that outside of those merch Christmas messages and the occasional Insta story, we haven’t actually seen them together on camera in nearly 18 months, but it is what it is.
But then again, there are things like the fact they specifically asked FBE and YouTube to appear separately, and you have to wonder … but until and unless they choose to talk about it (unlikely), we can only theorise.
tl;dr - I think they chose to work on things separately not solely because they didn’t want to be a double act any more, but just because they just wanted to do different things as 2018 came to a close.
Obviously as always, this is all conjecture.
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I don’t mind them doing separate things but I haven’t loved them pretending not to know each other online and that’s what gets to me the most. Phil isn’t as bad about it because we’d get mentions in liveshows or even insta stories but on top of being largely absent Dan has most people on twitter believing he lives alone
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Actually yeah, you're right; I didn't cover that in my post because I was mostly thinking about videos/projects but yes, that's the thing that bothers me the most *by far* in this whole thing, and the part I find much harder to understand. By the end of liveshows even Phil wasn't really mentioning him any more. I *did* wonder if it was deliberate or if I was just reading too much into it...Amiaw wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:31 pm I don’t mind them doing separate things but I haven’t loved them pretending not to know each other online and that’s what gets to me the most. Phil isn’t as bad about it because we’d get mentions in liveshows or even insta stories but on top of being largely absent Dan has most people on twitter believing he lives alone
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Is Goodreads the only source for this book or is there an actual press release or something on the publisher's site as well? Because Goodreads usually isn't the very first place a book would be announced. Unless the person who put it into GR's database is someone actually working on the book in some capacity and then it would be highly unprofessional for them to just add it to Goodreads before there's an actual announcement from the publisher or author. Tl;dr: I'm sceptical about this being real.
Thanks for posting that interview with Bryony. I used to watch her a bit way back when and still follow her on Twitter, it was cool to read her thoughts on Youtube and her days as a Youtuber.
Thanks for posting that interview with Bryony. I used to watch her a bit way back when and still follow her on Twitter, it was cool to read her thoughts on Youtube and her days as a Youtuber.
I don't think they've shut 99% of joint content down because what they shared before was inauthentic although I'm sure a lot was played up for the camera like most youtubers and probably a lot edited out for the sake of not outing themselves. I think maybe we underestimated the toll the analysing of their relationship took on them when they clearly weren't ready for it to be public knowledge. Dan particularly seemed very sensitive/defensive to comments about him "picking" on Phil in the gaming videos I think that would be even more difficult now. I think we all saw the toll the analysing took in 2012 and even though they seemed to be a lot more comfortable 2016-2018 they still had the "just friends" thing as a shield even if it seemed obvious to a lot of us.Phantasy wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 5:27 pm That’s sort of the frustrating thing though as an audience member—will we never see the authentic portrayal of their relationship? Were the 10 years of D&P as we knew and saw them through persona and social media different from “real life” Dan and Phil in any significant way?
I totally get not wanting to brand or sell out the relationship aspect and lose sight of the creators, but it makes me wonder if we were treated to such an inauthentic portrayal of their relationship before that they don’t want to serve that fiction anymore and simply opt not to show anything because we wouldn’t even recognize it? That’s probably a stretch, but why is there is such a hard line drawn to pre-BIG and everything after?
When I imagined what it would be like if they came out I never thought it would be like this, I didn't expect them to really do couple type videos or talk about their relationship in any great details because that's not who they are I guess I thought it would be like 2018, because that's when they seemed most open and comfortable and that after the initial wave of excitement and happiness died down it would just continue, I guess I never really took in to account how much Dan wanted to pull back from social media. I have come to accept that we will probably never see anything remotely like that time again and its hard because while they've decided to let go of it most of us are still holding on to it so tightly that a voice behind the camera or a selfie with no one in between them causes a mini meltdown, and a ridiculous amount of happiness followed by waves of sadness and longing for what we had.
This isn't a criticism of that decision although the communication of it I will always be critical of. I completely understand that they may have needed to do it for their own happiness and I would never want them to do things that have a negative effect on them or their relationship I've always been more invested in them as people than as creators, but I'm still sad that this is how it's turned out.
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Nothing on the publisher's site, or anywhere else. Which puts me in the same boat as you on skeptics, but also increases my curiosity a lot, just from knowing Dan and Phil are never exactly conventional.Katka wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:51 pm Is Goodreads the only source for this book or is there an actual press release or something on the publisher's site as well? Because Goodreads usually isn't the very first place a book would be announced. Unless the person who put it into GR's database is someone actually working on the book in some capacity and then it would be highly unprofessional for them to just add it to Goodreads before there's an actual announcement from the publisher or author. Tl;dr: I'm sceptical about this being real.
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The fact that their last book also leaked in a very similar way makes me not want to count that as too much of a strike. DAPGO was listed on an Asian Amazon listing before they or the publishing company ever announced it.obsessivelymoody wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 9:31 pmNothing on the publisher's site, or anywhere else. Which puts me in the same boat as you on skeptics, but also increases my curiosity a lot, just from knowing Dan and Phil are never exactly conventional.Katka wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:51 pm Is Goodreads the only source for this book or is there an actual press release or something on the publisher's site as well? Because Goodreads usually isn't the very first place a book would be announced. Unless the person who put it into GR's database is someone actually working on the book in some capacity and then it would be highly unprofessional for them to just add it to Goodreads before there's an actual announcement from the publisher or author. Tl;dr: I'm sceptical about this being real.
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A throwback from Louise - Dan liked it but hasn't responded.
Amazon is different though because Amazon is a retailer and was therefore notified that the book exists in advance by the publisher. They just put up the listing before they were officially allowed to (happens all the time). Goodreads is just social media for books, they don't get notified of new releases in advance like retailers do. So if this is real, the person who first added it to the Goodreads database (anyone with a GR account can do that btw) would have to be someone in some way involved with this book or in a position where they would know about it before it's officially announced. So it could be real if someone working on it leaked it but it's just weird.alittledizzy wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 11:59 pmThe fact that their last book also leaked in a very similar way makes me not want to count that as too much of a strike. DAPGO was listed on an Asian Amazon listing before they or the publishing company ever announced it.obsessivelymoody wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 9:31 pmNothing on the publisher's site, or anywhere else. Which puts me in the same boat as you on skeptics, but also increases my curiosity a lot, just from knowing Dan and Phil are never exactly conventional.Katka wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:51 pm Is Goodreads the only source for this book or is there an actual press release or something on the publisher's site as well? Because Goodreads usually isn't the very first place a book would be announced. Unless the person who put it into GR's database is someone actually working on the book in some capacity and then it would be highly unprofessional for them to just add it to Goodreads before there's an actual announcement from the publisher or author. Tl;dr: I'm sceptical about this being real.
Also it was deleted once before it reappeared, right? So I guess a GR moderator spotted it, found no announcement or source for it being real as well and deleted it. Anyways, I'm curious to see where this goes because it could be real of course, GR would just be a weird place to leak it. But since it has a publisher listed and everything it also seems a little too detailed to be fake or a hoax as well so I'm just puzzled.
Finally a new video!
Another Animal Crossing video wasn't really what I wanted, but beggars can't be choosers. I do hope we get some more variety in content soon though. In the end, Phil playing this game is still quite nice and entertaining.
Him trying to catch a betta was funny. Poor Phil, he just wants his virtual Norman. Thinking he caught it when it was actually a guppy was truly heartbreaking.
Serial Killer Egbert was another highlight, leave it to Phil to give at least one villager a sinister backstory.
And there were some joint content crumbs! Love to see it.
Another Animal Crossing video wasn't really what I wanted, but beggars can't be choosers. I do hope we get some more variety in content soon though. In the end, Phil playing this game is still quite nice and entertaining.
Him trying to catch a betta was funny. Poor Phil, he just wants his virtual Norman. Thinking he caught it when it was actually a guppy was truly heartbreaking.
Serial Killer Egbert was another highlight, leave it to Phil to give at least one villager a sinister backstory.
And there were some joint content crumbs! Love to see it.
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Phil's way of playing animal crossing stresses me out so much lmao. But the video was very fun! I missed his face and getting to hang with him like this Though the contacts at the start of the video were Not Great, I was so weirded out lmao. Blue eyes truly suit him the best!
Also the mention of Dan made me emotional due to my fragile mental state rn lol. I like to think about deps and Bryony having animal crossing parties now, sounds fun :')
Also the mention of Dan made me emotional due to my fragile mental state rn lol. I like to think about deps and Bryony having animal crossing parties now, sounds fun :')
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I'm slightly disappointed in another AC video but also I feel like maybe it's just the quarantine slump hitting Phil. In the past week I've seen it with multiple other youtubers/people I know that are full on quarantining - it's like past the point where things feel urgent (even if they still are, it's a perception thing) and now it's dulled into just... this is daily life, making kind of a maudlin burnout happen.
Am I just talking about me? Maybe I'm just talking about me.
Anyway, I'm glad he made something, and if a low effort fun to make video is what he felt up to then I'm all about it. I mean, I've already watched it twice.
Am I just talking about me? Maybe I'm just talking about me.
Anyway, I'm glad he made something, and if a low effort fun to make video is what he felt up to then I'm all about it. I mean, I've already watched it twice.
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every time phil announces through his youtube community posts that he's doing another animal crossing video i sigh because i have never owned or played any of the animal crossing games and i'm not particularly interested in them. then a few days later he uploads a genuinely enjoyable and funny video which makes me instantly forget my scepticism. highlights for me this time included hazel's laughter exercise, egbert the slightly-serial-killer-esque chicken, the editing every time phil failed to catch a betta fish, the shoutouts to dan and bryony, and his joy at buying the godzilla statue.
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I'm definitely in the camp of "not really interested in AC", but I also... didn't love the video. I appreciate seeing it. I appreciated the references to Bryony and Dan, but I definitely felt the urge to fast forward a couple of times. And overall, the best bit for me was when he wore the weird contacts.
I understand it though. I fully get the slump alittledizzy mentioned, so I can't really fault him at all for it.
I just mostly feel meh and selfishly want Phil to make a more Phil-esque video instead of another AC. Also, tbh... Phil gaming without Dan still kinda pulls at my heartstrings in a painful way.
I understand it though. I fully get the slump alittledizzy mentioned, so I can't really fault him at all for it.
I just mostly feel meh and selfishly want Phil to make a more Phil-esque video instead of another AC. Also, tbh... Phil gaming without Dan still kinda pulls at my heartstrings in a painful way.
Oh yeah this video wasn't a love for me either. It kinda seemed unnecessary after having already done two videos on it. Even though there's a lot of hype around it now, it doesn't seem like the most entertaining game to watch someone else play anyway. I enjoyed the video because it's Phil being wonderful, but it was one of the more inspirationless (is that a word?) videos he has done in a while. I don't blame him though, no one should be expected to deliver their best work during these times.
But I also can't help but wonder how much of the 'procrastinating on editing' was him being frustrated with the video not being his best.
But I also can't help but wonder how much of the 'procrastinating on editing' was him being frustrated with the video not being his best.