Countllamas wrote: Someone on the previous page mentioned that they leave in those small moments of affection for views. Maybe they do, but it's not like they plan to be touchy/flirty with each other in the first place, at least it seems like that to me (I could be terribly wrong and underestimate their acting skills though). It's different with TV shows, if queercoding is included there's almost no way that it is not deliberate. I just don't see how deppy subtly slipping in relationship dynamics as they do as of now could be deliberate queerbaiting and I think if that's how they act on a day-to-day basis they have every right to display that. I even think they repress a lot of jokes/affections which they might not do if there wasn't a large fanbase interpreting everything they do as either proof or anti-proof. They've come a long way since 2012 and I just think it's more likely that they are more comfortable doing what they are doing rather than faking it for views
the thing is, I can't even call what they're doing "queerbaiting" per se, because I don't know whether they're queer or not. I think I've mentioned in my first post on here that while I was watching their gaming videos for the first time I saw them as two platonic friends/colleagues and didn't even catch any particular moments to analyze, it didn't even cross my mind. without knowing their 2009/10 history and everything that comes with it, I just don't really get why people would assume they're currently a couple, because I personally don't see that much of romantic/sexual chemistry between them now and mostly all the heart-eyes Howell/love-eyes Lester seem like a reach to me. as if friends can't look at each other with affection.
except for that one gif I included, for example, because that moment had no actual substance behind it, and no commentary either, it was during one of their gameplays and they for some reason deliberately decided to put it on fullscreen instead of putting it in the corner on the small one. it's just strange how they didn't edit it out knowing their fanbase. but whatever lol. the main and probably the only real issue I have with DnP, basically, is their fanservice, or like Dan says, them "giving the fans what they want". they know their most vocal audience very, very well and, again, even though the whole thing was partly ironic and "not to be taken seriously", a quote from Dan's diss track comes to mind:"The only reason you get views is you’re another white guy that people ship with his friend cause they think it’s kawaii".
around 41:50 he says: "Domestic? You’re welcome. Yep, you know, that domestic phanservice.. I deliver. I know what the people want. Dorito-themed banter, that’s why you’re all here. Does anyone else give you this? Or is this just a Dan and Phil-thing?"
I know what "post-baking universe" means to the shippers, but what does it mean to Dan and Phil and why did Dan specifically point it out? what changed around that time and why was the change calculated? was it branding-related, or something else? those are just a couple of DnP things that bother me.
and like iwishiwasacasual
iwishiwasacasual wrote:i'm fine with this if they're together or queer or whatever but if they are two single straight dudes 'playing gay' for views it doesn't take a genius to realise that's a dicky thing to do.
although I def. can't assume they're straight, and I don't think they're "playing gay", they surely do "play house" not that there's anything specifically wrong with that.
I know pretty much everyone on here will disagree with me, but I wish either Dan, or Phil, or both of them, would address the shippers that spread the belief that phan is real everywhere, simply because the amount of fetishization and over-sexualization going on in the phandom is disturbing, to say the least, and I'd imagine, whether it's real or not, knowing the fact that are very private people, it has to be uncomfortable for them, and I wish more of their fans would respect them. but I suppose they want
it like that since that's the main thing that keeps both of them relevant and talked about. Phil's most popular videos are pinofs, phan is a part of their branding, so it's convenient for them to keep quiet and let the shippers do the advertising for them. even though the way the phandom acts was the only reason why I used to *avoid* DnP's content. oh, and because of onision's creepy "obsession" with both of them
thank god I gave them the chance though, today's gaming video alone quite possibly made my week