anathema wrote:
I agree with you about the whole "things like that aren't his coming out as 'non-labeling'". But, um, it's pretty obvious Dan's not straight? Like, besides things he said about his sexuality in 2009/10, you can't honestly tell me you think the way he talks about certain men is platonic/in an admiral way. (I'm not saying Dan is gay, it really bothers me when people say he is, I'm just saying he's not straight. I personally think he's most likely bisexual, because he's said it and I have no reason not to believe it.) Also, do you honestly think the only reason people ("phannies") think he's not straight is so they can say phan is real?
Pretty obvious for you, perhaps, but i try not to assume other people's sexuality. He also said not to take those comments seriously because he did it for attention, why is it that always gets tossed aside as irrelevant? And yes, i can honestly tell you the way he talks about men can very well be platonic or from admiration, no reason for everything to be sexual, aesthetic attraction is a thing too. Btw no, is not mostly to say phan is real, even if that's a big part of it, i understand some people kind of project themselves on dnp too, for representation and all that.
fancybum wrote:
I don't know who the fuck you think you're talking to 90% of the time. Where in this forum have people said Dan painting his nails makes him gay? Where did I say that liking that tweet was his way of coming out?
Well, my bad then, on two fronts. One, i forgot idb exists in a vaccuum, and what happens within the fandom anywhere else has absolutely nothing to do with what goes on in here and that a general "you" is something i apparently made up myself, i'll try to keep these things separate from now on. Two, I'M SORRY I GOT USERNAMES MIXED UP, it was
confusedpanda who wrote
"he technically is already out as not straight and has been for months if not a year by now."
fancybum wrote:How is acknowledging that the label 'straight' does not apply to Dan and he's made that abundantly clear for a very long time = labelling him?
How has he made it abundantly clear? In ways that don't include scrutinizing his every word looking precisely to prove he isn't straight, i mean. How do you know what labels do or do not apply to him? Rhetorical questions, btw. All i know for sure is he once said he's bi, then pretty much retracted it, and has said many times he's not gay. Sure, there are other sexualities besides gay and bi, but i'm gonna need more than a few Evan P. and 2d guys in speedos mentions to apply any of them to Dan; basically the only label i'll use for him is the one he decides to share and thing is he doesn't seem interested in sharing any labels for the time being. "not straight" count as a label, it technically is.
fancybum wrote:HE ALREADY DID THAT IN 2009. The world hasn't imploded yet.
Then retracted it but that's the part that is left out for some reason. The world didn't implode then, but it's still remembered as a time of crisis in the phandom.
fancybum wrote:
We don't need to whip out any labels, but he's into dudes. Do you realize that? All of those idiotic 'phannies' don't have to reach nearly as hard as anybody who wants to claim in 2016 that Dan is straight.
Never claimed he's straight, just as i don't claim he's into dudes, because the hell do i know about the sexuality of a guy who doesn't want labels?? And i insist, mentions of guys here and there doesn't mean he's into men in that way, or are you implying men can't appreciate other men's looks or talent without necessarily being 'into dudes'?
fancybum wrote:
Dan has said he's bi. I think I'll read into that that in 2009 he identified as bi. Where are you getting the 'Dan is straight' idea from? Or have you extrapolated that assumption from all the times over the years that he never said it?
For the third time, he said it, in 2009 yeah we know. Then retracted it. I'm not getting the idea Dan is straight, but i'm not reading everything else as him being not-straight either, because that's still labelling him and i'm not up for that, how is that so difficult to grasp? Where did you get the idea he's not straight anyway, from all the times he said "hey guys i'm not straight i'm sooo into dudes"? Oh wait,
he hasn't said that. And if you took some time to think, without any goggles on, phan or otherwise, with a cold head, all the times he's talked about guys, you could see none of those are definitive proof of an actual real attraction to men, could just as well be from admiration or for the #relatable thing.
You're set on Dan being into men. I'm on stand-by until he actually says it without room for doubt. Further discussion would be pointless, so i'll drop it here.