Dan & Phil Part 41: what in domestication

[internetakeover]

Your post(s) and mention of Dan's excitement have made me so excited for them moving, nihilist-toothpaste! I certainly hope you/we are right now, and totally agree about their sense of awareness - while they might not literally have said 'we're moving house btw' like they did last time, they know that we've been speculating and they've been far from hiding away from it. It was good to see so many of the mentions/hints spelled out like that, it brings a good perspective to things.

Haven't got time to rewatch and do a whole post now, but I wondered if anyone else had thought much on D&P having lunch with Laura from the Internet Creator's Guild? Not to suggest that they can't just have friends they casually socialise with (although...), but I did wonder if it was maybe a little business related, whether they're just members (seems likely but for some reason I can't remember knowing about it), or if ICG have perhaps been helping them out with whatever this project is? And in the case they'd seem to fill a very similar role to Flipside, only catered directly to them/internet creators, which is potentially interesting. Or potentially a sign that I don't entirely understand exactly what it is ICG do. Either way!

I also found him addressing the 'quality threshold' talk interesting, though a conversation kind of we've heard before. The Phil aspect of it seemed new, though - or the mention of it at least - and the (not quite) promise of DINOF videos while they're away is encouraging too. I'd be really happy to see it if he makes DINOF a bit more low pressure now - uploading more videos would hopefully make him less stressed about the more high-effort ones be does upload too, if he's in the habit of it. Not entirely holding my breath on this one, but a little hopeful! Either way it seems they're much better planned for Aus than they were for the US Tour, which is so nice to see!

[mio]

I totally took the "redecorating" as moving hints.
If anything, the fact that he's had basically had the same video background for 5 years without ever expressing the desire to change it (due to laziness, branding, whatever), just to bring it up now, together with all the hints about how shitty and noisy their apartment is, how they need storage, want a dog, have been there for ages etc... this rather seems like he's gonna take the opportunity of a new place to change that part of his branding too and asks for people's opinions bc he's not sure yet how to go about it, whether to do somethign completely new or people are attached to certain parts of the background.

...and I'm still keeping up hope that the "secret project" and the reason these few and the next months are so stressful, is a mockumentary about them looking for and then renovating their new house, including the construction of a koi pond

[MoonPride]

Not posted in ages due to life but I tuned into Dan's ls last night and the whole phanservice comment had me in stitches. I thought the buildup was hilarious as he knows the phandom literally blow over the smallest things lol.

[blackdenim]

Another theory to throw into the moving/rearranging fire is that perhaps the secret project we're all convinced they're working on is some kind of sitcom-esque show that uses props from their actual life on the set, so Phil's drawers, Dan's bedside table, etc are bare because all the stuff is on the set

Or they're going to be working out of the IRL Digital office and are recreating their backdrops there (which is more likely). Most of the stuff we've seen missing is decoration rather than functional life stuff...

In all seriousness (although in my last post I said I didn't think they were moving), it would be inconvenient to move during so much travelling but not impossible. When my ex and I moved into our flat, we were both flat out busy at work so we paid people to literally come into our house, put all the stuff into boxes for us, and then move the boxes from one place to another - it wasn't even that expensive. With D&P's money they could probably get them to move the boxes by unicorn, and unpack them at the other end according to very detailed instructions on their aesthetic.

[flurry]

Seems like I'm late to the party and the thread has moved on but anyway

club penguin video: I was primed for it to be really bad after seeing the comments here but I genuinely really enjoyed it! I thought it was hilarious and I laughed aloud quite a few times. I don't think they meant it to be taken seriously though? It felt like a parody and I enjoyed its comic value - probably one to rewatch for me! Then again this is the first time I've heard of club penguin so it doesn't have the nostalgia value for me that it might to others. Also Phil was so cheeky and I loved their random penguin related innuendos.

dan's video: Um for all his talk about Phil's channel lacking integrity Dan then goes and borrows Phil's quiz idea okay then. I liked the bit at the beginning when he cussed at Phil - somehow struck me as something really good friends do and get away with. Anyway the video itself was quite boring - I actually enjoyed Phil's more. I think Dan chose the wrong quizzes - only the last one was interesting and that was Phil's suggestion. Maybe if he had chosen more outrageous ones it'll be entertaining.

Lastly - liveshow: I'm halfway through it and quite liking it! And also excited to see Phil's side channel video that will show their "banter" and treatment of each other is reciprocal? I mean Phil definitely has a side he doesn't show much on YouTube - Dan explicitly confirmed that

[JustMe]

Or they're going to be working out of the IRL Digital office and are recreating their backdrops there (which is more likely). Most of the stuff we've seen missing is decoration rather than functional life stuff...

This is a viable suggestion, but I really hope they don't do this. I really like the personal vibe that them being in their house brings to their videos and the way they come across in them. I feel like to me it would interfere with the videos having a vibe that feels like they've invited a friend over to tell you a story, plus the feeling that they are making the videos because they like to, not just because it's their job. I think when they make videos in an 'office space', the fact that they are making these videos because it's their job would be way more prominent and could really mess with the personal connection a lot of people feel when watching their videos.

But then again, this may be exactly why they would choose to do this; to separate their work life more from their personal life. I guess we'll have to see.

[blackdenim]

Or they're going to be working out of the IRL Digital office and are recreating their backdrops there (which is more likely). Most of the stuff we've seen missing is decoration rather than functional life stuff...

This is a viable suggestion, but I really hope they don't do this. I really like the personal vibe that them being in their house brings to their videos and the way they come across in them. I feel like to me it would interfere with the videos having a vibe that feels like they've invited a friend over to tell you a story, plus the feeling that they are making the videos because they like to, not just because it's their job. I think when they make videos in an 'office space', the fact that they are making these videos because it's their job would be way more prominent and could really mess with the personal connection a lot of people feel when watching their videos.

But then again, this may be exactly why they would choose to do this; to separate their work life more from their personal life. I guess we'll have to see.

Personally, I can't see them doing this because of their night owl/don't like leaving the house type lifestyles. But as someone who works from home myself, it's really difficult. Having an external office space to go to, even if you don't go every day, makes you so much more productive and ready to work (I say, as I sit in my own office posting on IDB!). It could actually be the answer to Dan's procrastination/creativity slump!

I do agree about the personal connection going away if they do that though. I don't think I'd like it either, I haven't liked it when other YTers have done it.

I guess the perfect workaround from our point of view would be for them to go to the IRL office to come up with ideas and edit, and still film at home. But that wouldn't explain the magical disappearing props!

[swofro]

Contrary to other people, I was so sure before that they're moving but after the liveshow I'm not. My mind went thinking about that 'important' dinof vid idea that was 'a long time coming' might be redecorating after all.

I don't know. On one hand, I am excited for them to move to a detached house with koi pond but I don't want to put my hopes up.

Anyway, a good liveshow overall to be the last one in a few weeks. I'm looking forward to the new video from Phil and hopefully the drought of tatinof usa will remain a legendary thing that will not be repeated.

[thephandommenace]

I would sell my soul for an episode of house hunters with dan and Phil

...and I'm still keeping up hope that the "secret project" and the reason these few and the next months are so stressful, is a mockumentary about them looking for and then renovating their new house, including the construction of a koi pond

Took the words right out of my mouth
I'd be so down for that, if that's up with the production team and secret project. (Especially if they went on the show as a couple, said they'd been together for many years, and now wanted to move into their dream home.) But I'm sadly getting excited over something that is mere speculation, and could be far from the truth. I'd rather wait and see what it is so I can be excited rather than disappointed

[Catallena]

I really don't think they're gonna film videos in the office of their merch company.. I doubt they have that much space to built 3 studio backdrops (for DINOF, AP and DAPG), it's likely that a small company like IRL Digital only rents space within a building and don't have an actual building to do with whatever they please. Office space is expensive yo.

Or they're going to be working out of the IRL Digital office and are recreating their backdrops there (which is more likely). Most of the stuff we've seen missing is decoration rather than functional life stuff...

That makes zero sense to me. Why give up personal belongings for a permanent studio backdrop? Especially the Wirrow paintings, which they could easily get new for a studio.

I will always find the idea of them having a studio for video filming silly in general. They've never shown interest in filming elsewhere and they have had the Creator Space at their disposal for years. They're guys who wander off to get Ribena from the kitchen in the middle of a gaming video and film videos in their underwear of pajamas. I'm not sure how well Depz would ever do in a different setting, not to mention it'd kill their image of authenticity with their fans and I don't think they're currently in any position to play around like that. They've peaked already after all, anyone who leaves the phandom isn't as easy to replace anymore like they were 2/3 years ago where one person would leave the phandom and 5 others would join.

[pearshaped34]

I will always find the idea of them having a studio for video filming silly in general. They've never shown interest in filming elsewhere and they have had the Creator Space at their disposal for years. They're guys who wander off to get Ribena from the kitchen in the middle of a gaming video and film videos in their underwear of pajamas. I'm not sure how well Depz would ever do in a different setting, not to mention it'd kill their image of authenticity with their fans and I don't think they're currently in any position to play around like that. They've peaked already after all, anyone who leaves the phandom isn't as easy to replace anymore like they were 2/3 years ago where one person would leave the phandom and 5 others would join.

I agree, I think the main reason some youtubers like a studio is so they can keep to a somewhat normal schedule and have some space between their home and work lives (and because they've got money to burn). With deppy though I think that despite the fact they sometimes worry about how they live their lives and think they need to be "real" grown-ups with normal schedules the reason they've never been able to make it stick is because they like living the way they do.

And honestly I'm not sure getting a work space would magically make them 9-5 people, I could actually see if making them less productive.
I could very much see them being the types who put off leaving the house until it is so late in the day they no longer see the point so they just promising themselves they'll definitely go film tomorrow. Whereas now when they sleep and procrastinate away the day they have the option to film into the night, if they actually had to go out to a studio to do that I can very much see them putting it off til the next day (and then the next day and so forth).


The only reason I can imagine D&P having a separate filming space to home is if they are leaving the flat and wanted to keep it hidden from the phandom so kept it on and continued to film there like they lived there. (Either to protect the privacy of their wives and children at their new separate homes or because they've bought a place together and don't want the fans to know that.)

[DatCog]

[obliviongrace]

Nice non-time specific quirky tweet I highly suspect they've already started traveling/moving/doing busy activities and have begun putting out their pre-scheduled content.

I wanted to pop in and say that I love the conversations happening right now surrounding Dan's liveshow/possible moving/whatever suspect things could or could not be happening at the moment. I have lots of thoughts swirling around in my head, but I think most people have shared what I would say more eloquently in the previous posts in this page.

But one thing regarding moving vs. re-decorating - I think the intruige of the re-decorating speak to me was that it was intentionally vague. Especially re: the wirror painting: "You could say I'm relocating it...one could say." Again someone has already pointed this out, I believe, but if Dan was redecorating I believe he would straight-out say he is redecorating. Instead, he is speaking in round-about phrases and speaking about "new video backgrounds" which can exist without a certain space. But I see how that argument could then possibly stand in contradiction to my other thought that they are choosing to speak ambigously about moving. But I think, really, that is the Dan and Phil way. If they want to bring potentially "Big" topics forward, they sneak them in through non-direct mentions (eg/ Dan expressing his SGA). Re-decorating is not a big topic, so if that were the case I believe Dan would speak about it directly. But moving, on the other hand, is certainly a big thing, and it seems to me that he has been planting the ambiguous seeds for a long time - and this way we he can hint that we need to adjust to the idea of a new video background before we have to directly adjust to a completely new setting.

[JustMe]

Re-decorating is not a big topic, so if that were the case I believe Dan would speak about it directly.

Good point, I definitely agree.

Nice non-time specific quirky tweet I highly suspect they've already started [...] moving.

Also, moving would fit with Dan's mention of being physically tired a few liveshows ago; packing everything up and moving those boxes up and down all those stairs would definitely be physically tiring. Though that would suggest they were moving things around a few weeks ago already, which is not surprising seeing how empty Dan's bedroom was. They also mentioned being very busy and pre-filming a lot of videos which I think they were in a hurry to do before their rooms became too empty; they HAD to if they wanted people to stay (relatively) unaware of them moving until they announced it.

I wondered about him playing with those keys: could it be they are staying somewhere else (the new house) already and he just came back to film his liveshow on his bed (which he would have to do to not reveal a possible move before they were ready to) and went back after? I don't know, I just got that impression because I never keep my keys with me when returning home, except when I have to quickly do/grab something

[lishachi]

[offtopic]Not sure if this has been mentioned before - forgive me if it has.



Thought this video was actually interesting, especially around the 9-10min mark as they start talking about relationships and how they can get you brand deals and essentially build up a channel and a following by being in a relationship/having a friendship group.

Lucy said "If you break up you sabotage your financial situation" @ 9:14 then afterwards Evan said "People like you, the brand, together. Youtubers brand themselves together all the time in terms of one and another, it's always groups of two."

Made me think of Dan and Phil straight away, like they've built this brand around themselves being friends and they have a massive following and are also predominately shipped by a lot of people. What if that fell apart? What if they weren't friends anymore? And if they are in a relationship as many think, if that were to break apart would they suffer financially? I mean I was going to say that can't keep it going forever, but they could finish youtube still as a brand together if they had enough money and split it. Just makes me think, these are real life people, they interact on the internet in front of an audience, they get paid, they have brands and friendships and these are seen by millions of people.

Luke also mentions essentially being unhappy in a friendship/relationship and how that would effect business. Because in reality Youtubers are getting paid for making videos, if they promote themselves with a significant other/friend and market that, what happens if it goes wrong? Do you stay in said friendship/relationship/whatever to keep finances going?

It's all very weird to think about but is very interesting to me. I've not really thought of it before, I guess if you build up a friendship/relationship on social media and then market that and make money from it, it's very different to having a private friendship/relationship and keeping it, well, private. Just wondering if anyone's seen this video and has any thoughts on it, maybe a more articulate version of this messy babble. [/offtopic]

[chunchun]

This thread is so interesting right now, because it seems like since the end of tatinof all these changes have been imminent. Some big, some small, but definitely happening. This whole discussion of them moving, them uploading more, possible brand changes. Most of it makes me wonder why I'm this invested but I guess it's just fun to think about, especially after you've been watching dnp for years and years.

I think most everyone has expressed nicely the thoughts I had. I guess I'd just want to say that I think the move is happening this year, just not right at this moment. But I guess it's really fun to think about because then you consider the change in background and space and interior design and it's really a lot to take in for a long-time watcher, lol. I also read through the possible office-filming as opposed to them filming at home and...yeah I really hope that doesn't happen either. It's not something I can really see happening anyway, but only time could really tell on that one.

In any case, yeah. The ambiguous/subconscious comments this year are at an all time high with them. As always, it's 50/50 with them when it comes to things like this

I would sell my soul for an episode of house hunters with dan and Phil

I just laughed so loud. This would be AMAZING.

[offtopic]Not sure if this has been mentioned before - forgive me if it has.



Thought this video was actually interesting, especially around the 9-10min mark as they start talking about relationships and how they can get you brand deals and essentially build up a channel and a following by being in a relationship/having a friendship group.

Lucy said "If you break up you sabotage your financial situation" @ 9:14 then afterwards Evan said "People like you, the brand, together. Youtubers brand themselves together all the time in terms of one and another, it's always groups of two."

Made me think of Dan and Phil straight away, like they've built this brand around themselves being friends and they have a massive following and are also predominately shipped by a lot of people. What if that fell apart? What if they weren't friends anymore? And if they are in a relationship as many think, if that were to break apart would they suffer financially? I mean I was going to say that can't keep it going forever, but they could finish youtube still as a brand together if they had enough money and split it. Just makes me think, these are real life people, they interact on the internet in front of an audience, they get paid, they have brands and friendships and these are seen by millions of people.

Luke also mentions essentially being unhappy in a friendship/relationship and how that would effect business. Because in reality Youtubers are getting paid for making videos, if they promote themselves with a significant other/friend and market that, what happens if it goes wrong? Do you stay in said friendship/relationship/whatever to keep finances going?

It's all very weird to think about but is very interesting to me. I've not really thought of it before, I guess if you build up a friendship/relationship on social media and then market that and make money from it, it's very different to having a private friendship/relationship and keeping it, well, private. Just wondering if anyone's seen this video and has any thoughts on it, maybe a more articulate version of this messy babble. [/offtopic]

This has actually always been at the back of my head. Before tabinof came out, they really could've continued separating and creating their own brands/images, but then the book came out and I remember thinking: "Wow, they're really in this for the long run, aren't they?"

[nephilimcat]

[offtopic]Not sure if this has been mentioned before - forgive me if it has.



Thought this video was actually interesting, especially around the 9-10min mark as they start talking about relationships and how they can get you brand deals and essentially build up a channel and a following by being in a relationship/having a friendship group.

Lucy said "If you break up you sabotage your financial situation" @ 9:14 then afterwards Evan said "People like you, the brand, together. Youtubers brand themselves together all the time in terms of one and another, it's always groups of two."

Made me think of Dan and Phil straight away, like they've built this brand around themselves being friends and they have a massive following and are also predominately shipped by a lot of people. What if that fell apart? What if they weren't friends anymore? And if they are in a relationship as many think, if that were to break apart would they suffer financially? I mean I was going to say that can't keep it going forever, but they could finish youtube still as a brand together if they had enough money and split it. Just makes me think, these are real life people, they interact on the internet in front of an audience, they get paid, they have brands and friendships and these are seen by millions of people.

Luke also mentions essentially being unhappy in a friendship/relationship and how that would effect business. Because in reality Youtubers are getting paid for making videos, if they promote themselves with a significant other/friend and market that, what happens if it goes wrong? Do you stay in said friendship/relationship/whatever to keep finances going?

It's all very weird to think about but is very interesting to me. I've not really thought of it before, I guess if you build up a friendship/relationship on social media and then market that and make money from it, it's very different to having a private friendship/relationship and keeping it, well, private. Just wondering if anyone's seen this video and has any thoughts on it, maybe a more articulate version of this messy babble. [/offtopic]

Haven't watched the video but I often think about this stuff because I apparently like to torture myself When you share a business with someone else, there's always a risk. Not just on YouTube, also in real life. If a couple opens a shop together, what happens after a messy break-up? Does one person get the shop? What does the other person get? Do you close the shop altogether?

With an online following, you are always dependent on your fans. If they don't like you anymore, you've got a problem. You have to keep yourself relevant and can't just do as you please because that might scare your fans away. That's why a lot of YouTubers don't change things they've always done, fans like tradition and there's always some sort of backlash after a change.

If you have a mix of both, online following and a shared business, everything becomes even more complicated. All the eyes are on your relationship. If you are friends, it's likely you will be shipped. If you have a past like Dan and Phil, it's intriguing for fans. If all/most of your videos feature you and your partner/friend, you are in a vulnerable position. What happens if you split up? You might lose a huge amount of followers because the people were there for the couple and not for the individuals. Or if it isn't a confirmed couple, they were there for the shipping and once there's either a break-up or even a confirmation, the fans might leave (might be a fear Dan and Phil have).

But honestly, it's always a risk to work with a partner, even if it's just a business relationship. The more people involved and the more emotionally connected the people involved are, the more risky it gets. But it must also be nice to work with your partner/friend on something because there's a certain trust and you don't have to do it all alone. Everything has its good and bad sides.

[missemma]

After not being 100% convinced before that they are moving I have been evaluating all the evidence from Dans liveshow last night and am now in the trashcan yeah they are definitely moving camp.
Just the few things I noticed:
> he said the trackpad wasn't working, okay fair enough, but why didn't he still sit at the desk? Must have been uncomfortable sitting on the bed leaning his phone on a laptop; why not use a sterdy surface? Also, they have a second iMac so why not just use the mouse from that, or go to the office and use the other iMac (maybe phil was editing but they also have a mouse for the gaming computer so.....)
> the empty bed side tables. I didn't notice them until someone pointed that out in here. Good spot.
> when he said about no liveshow for 3 weeks, Australia is only for the weekend, yeah maybe they are also taking a holiday but if they were moving then to transfer your internet service you need to give them at least 2 weeks to reconnect you. Would also make sense as to why they've pre-filmed videos and probably have them uploaded ready to go live, especially if they'll have limited internet to be able to upload videos.

[SexyTrashCan]

Another reason to relocate?

[uglyamerican]

Another reason to relocate?

TBH, I don't understand why they stay in their current situation - I know I would bolt to a new place if I had constant sirens and nightlife outside my window (I like my undisturbed sleep.) I get wanting to live near city life, I just wouldn't want to be immersed in it 24/7 (they could move off a high street.) Therefore, I'm expecting them to move in the near term, so I'll speculate: perhaps they've been packing prior to going on tour, and either family / friends / management will supervise a company to move their shit while they're gone (we do it all the time in my biz...)

[Amiaw]

After not being 100% convinced before that they are moving I have been evaluating all the evidence from Dans liveshow last night and am now in the trashcan yeah they are definitely moving camp.
Just the few things I noticed:
> he said the trackpad wasn't working, okay fair enough, but why didn't he still sit at the desk? Must have been uncomfortable sitting on the bed leaning his phone on a laptop; why not use a sterdy surface? Also, they have a second iMac so why not just use the mouse from that, or go to the office and use the other iMac (maybe phil was editing but they also have a mouse for the gaming computer so.....)
> the empty bed side tables. I didn't notice them until someone pointed that out in here. Good spot.
> when he said about no liveshow for 3 weeks, Australia is only for the weekend, yeah maybe they are also taking a holiday but if they were moving then to transfer your internet service you need to give them at least 2 weeks to reconnect you. Would also make sense as to why they've pre-filmed videos and probably have them uploaded ready to go live, especially if they'll have limited internet to be able to upload videos.

Everyone has been suspecting the move and I believe 95% that they are moving and will be in a new location when they get back from Playlist/Lester Family vacation.

Like missemma pointed out - Dan's reasoning on doing the liveshow on his phone was extremely weak. How many times in the past have they borrowed each others laptops to do their live shows? What happened that took that option away?

Also- if Dan is just redecorating, why show the audience his bare walls and tables when he knows how the phandom is (ex: the whole "fanservice" segment). He could have easily had his show in the lounge - he has done that before and recently - after Tatinof some people were convinced Dan had moved out because we hadn't seen his room in weeks.

Also- Phil's dresser has been getting sparse over the last few weeks. You could try to say that Phil is lazy and that's why he hasn't put his stuff back after the pastel vid but Phil is the guy who buys props for his videos and decorates the lounge/kitchen for every themed video they have. It makes no sense that he couldn't take 10 minutes to put some plushies back on his dresser.

Other things that stick out - Dan was wearing the same shirt for Club Penguin and his Dinof Video so they obviously filmed these videos on the same day. We know that the last day of Club Penguin was March 30th so that gave deppy several days to start emptying out Dan's room and the flat. When his camera showed his bedside table it looked like both were empty. It also looked like the corner by his dresser, which usually has a ton of junk in it, was empty.

Last point- Dan talked about his mom being in town - she could be helping with the move or could be in town to see the new place. It seemed like Dan told the jacket story for 2 reasons: 1. To brag about Phil/drag the phandom/gaslight people and 2. To give his mother a valid reason for being in town. Dan "had" to borrow Phil's jacket because the jacket that he wanted was left at home and his mom brought it to town 4 months later (instead of just shipping it) so Dan would have it back. Good story, Great distraction - gives Dan a reason to meet up with his mom without anyone questioning her visit.

[dontpanic]

it's interesting how Dan's quiz video already has more views than the ISG vid.

[kalli]

My "relocating" theories

- They're absolutely massively broke somehow, and pawning off all their stuff
- Someone else is moving in and Dan is moving upstairs into the tiny office
- They have spring cleaning fever and new years resolutions and suddenly somehow no more procrastination
- They're moving abroad and are already sending off non-essential items overzeas

Didn't they say awhile ago something about May being crazy? Not sure if I remember correctly. Well I'm intrigued anyhow.

Or... are we ready for this... Dan is officially moving into Phil's room to make room for the child they're adopting who will be coming home with them in May

But in all seriousness, I feel like there's a good chance they'll be moving as soon as they get back from Florida, and the fact that the move will be so close to Playlist is why they took so long to confirm their attendance. Although I don't think I'll be sold on the moving theory until they confirm it, simply clearing out some stuff and redecorating seems just as plausible imo.


Just to repeat what a bunch of people have already said about Dan's ls, I felt he was in a really good mood as well. Honestly, I always seem to enjoy his liveshows regardless of his mood or choice of topics, and it's the main reason Tuesday is my favourite day of the week, but of course I prefer seeing him happy and I agree that it makes the shows so much better to watch

I'm surprised he was actually wearing pants, no cheeky knees/legs today

[offtopic]I have an essay worth 40% of my grade due in less than 24 hours, but here I am making an idb post. Turns out an essay based on regionalism in Canada is so excruciatingly boring that I resorted to my favourite hobby when procrastinating last night which is playing on photoshop, and thus Dan with an amazing highlight was born. I decided to put it to good use by making it my avatar. #DanHowellforABHCosmetics2k17 Glow: Moonchild - Pink Heart [/offtopic]

I love your Avatar so much wtf??

Thank you

Nice non-time specific quirky tweet I highly suspect they've already started traveling/moving/doing busy activities and have begun putting out their pre-scheduled content.

Also, moving would fit with Dan's mention of being physically tired a few liveshows ago; packing everything up and moving those boxes up and down all those stairs would definitely be physically tiring. Though that would suggest they were moving things around a few weeks ago already, which is not surprising seeing how empty Dan's bedroom was. They also mentioned being very busy and pre-filming a lot of videos which I think they were in a hurry to do before their rooms became too empty; they HAD to if they wanted people to stay (relatively) unaware of them moving until they announced it.

I wondered about him playing with those keys: could it be they are staying somewhere else (the new house) already and he just came back to film his liveshow on his bed (which he would have to do to not reveal a possible move before they were ready to) and went back after? I don't know, I just got that impression because I never keep my keys with me when returning home, except when I have to quickly do/grab something

This crossed my mind too. If they are moving now or very soon like we're speculating, I feel like the possibility of them already having their new house is high. I doubt they'd have any issues with the remainder of their lease and the new lease/mortgage overlapping for a few months. So if they found something that fit their needs a couple months early, I don't think they'd pass it up

The key bit interesting to me as well. I always hang my keys up or set them somewhere easily accessible, never would I ever bring them to my bedroom. I can't recall him ever having his keys with him in a liveshow before. It definitely stood out to me as something different. I also agree that the physical tiredness Dan mentioned is probably linked to the move. Organizing, packing and all the preparation for moving is certainly tiring, especially when you have as many stairs as they do.

I can't imagine them having actually moved anything into a new house yet, unless it was today/yesterday (whatever Wednesday is for you). It makes the most sense that they'd move all their stuff at once since they'd need a moving truck and all that jazz. Since all their usual furniture hasn't changed or disappeared except for a few things in their rooms as far as we've seen, with Dan still having his bed and such for his ls Tuesday evening, I feel like they weren't living elsewhere as of that moment. But who knows, maybe they're getting rid of his bed or really are keeping the apartment for a bit to cover up their new house.

This leaves me wondering when they'll be doing their travelling. I initially assumed that they'd do mysterious-possibly-Hong-Kong-and-maybe-Japan-trip before Australia, then go home for two weeks and leave for Florida in early May so it wouldn't all be bulked together. But maybe they'll go straight to Australia, take their trip in between and go straight to Florida for the Lester family vacation and Playlist? It means they'll be gone for around 4 weeks, but I don't doubt they'd plan it that way. Moving before going away for nearly a month and coming back to a new home sounds nicer than having to move when they return in my opinion, or they could have no choice but to start now if they have to be out by the end of the month or particular date. Yet it would be unnecessarily stressful to move now if their lease runs out in July or something and they don't have to be out for a couple more months. There are a lot of variables and I'm conflicted

(I feel like this is more of a ramble than a quality contribution, I guess that's what happens when you mix tiredness with feeling curious and being excited and happy for them if they are indeed moving.)

After not being 100% convinced before that they are moving I have been evaluating all the evidence from Dans liveshow last night and am now in the trashcan yeah they are definitely moving camp.
Just the few things I noticed:
> he said the trackpad wasn't working, okay fair enough, but why didn't he still sit at the desk? Must have been uncomfortable sitting on the bed leaning his phone on a laptop; why not use a sterdy surface? Also, they have a second iMac so why not just use the mouse from that, or go to the office and use the other iMac (maybe phil was editing but they also have a mouse for the gaming computer so.....)
> the empty bed side tables. I didn't notice them until someone pointed that out in here. Good spot.
> when he said about no liveshow for 3 weeks, Australia is only for the weekend, yeah maybe they are also taking a holiday but if they were moving then to transfer your internet service you need to give them at least 2 weeks to reconnect you. Would also make sense as to why they've pre-filmed videos and probably have them uploaded ready to go live, especially if they'll have limited internet to be able to upload videos.

Everyone has been suspecting the move and I believe 95% that they are moving and will be in a new location when they get back from Playlist/Lester Family vacation.

Like missemma pointed out - Dan's reasoning on doing the liveshow on his phone was extremely weak. How many times in the past have they borrowed each others laptops to do their live shows? What happened that took that option away?

Also- if Dan is just redecorating, why show the audience his bare walls and tables when he knows how the phandom is (ex: the whole "fanservice" segment). He could have easily had his show in the lounge - he has done that before and recently - after Tatinof some people were convinced Dan had moved out because we hadn't seen his room in weeks.

Also- Phil's dresser has been getting sparse over the last few weeks. You could try to say that Phil is lazy and that's why he hasn't put his stuff back after the pastel vid but Phil is the guy who buys props for his videos and decorates the lounge/kitchen for every themed video they have. It makes no sense that he couldn't take 10 minutes to put some plushies back on his dresser.

Other things that stick out - Dan was wearing the same shirt for Club Penguin and his Dinof Video so they obviously filmed these videos on the same day. We know that the last day of Club Penguin was March 30th so that gave deppy several days to start emptying out Dan's room and the flat. When his camera showed his bedside table it looked like both were empty. It also looked like the corner by his dresser, which usually has a ton of junk in it, was empty.

Last point- Dan talked about his mom being in town - she could be helping with the move or could be in town to see the new place. It seemed like Dan told the jacket story for 2 reasons: 1. To brag about Phil/drag the phandom/gaslight people and 2. To give his mother a valid reason for being in town. Dan "had" to borrow Phil's jacket because the jacket that he wanted was left at home and his mom brought it to town 4 months later (instead of just shipping it) so Dan would have it back. Good story, Great distraction - gives Dan a reason to meet up with his mom without anyone questioning her visit.

I second all of this. Just yesterday I was 50/50 on the moving theory, but it all seems to fit together so nicely.

Also, I feel like Dan has referred to what he would have previously called his parents' house as his mum's house a lot lately. He definitely did during the jacket story in the most recent ls, although the story was only about her so it sort of makes sense. But I'm pretty sure he has on a few other occasions as well, or maybe I'm just imagining things?

[Phantasy]

it's interesting how Dan's quiz video already has more views than the ISG vid.

Yeah, the same video that he was "pressured" into and that, according to him, barely crosses the threshold of his self imposed quality standard.

The people have spoken—it's okay to sprinkle in a "trash" video once and a while... it's not going to ruin the finely crafted, intellectually provoking, aesthetically nuanced core that is dinof.

[blackdenim]

Another reason to relocate?

TBH, I don't understand why they stay in their current situation - I know I would bolt to a new place if I had constant sirens and nightlife outside my window (I like my undisturbed sleep.) I get wanting to live near city life, I just wouldn't want to be immersed in it 24/7 (they could move off a high street.) Therefore, I'm expecting them to move in the near term, so I'll speculate: perhaps they've been packing prior to going on tour, and either family / friends / management will supervise a company to move their shit while they're gone (we do it all the time in my biz...)

It's kind of the same everywhere in Central(ish) London though, I live a couple of streets away from the high street and I still hear pretty much every siren and most of the loud drunk people. Unless you're in a really suburban area you can't avoid it. Of course it's not like they're desperate to be part of the London nightlife/social scene (that we know) so they could easily be planning to move out to a leafy suburb or even out of London altogether. But if they want to stay fairly local/central then it's going to be the same everywhere.