Daniel & Phil Part 44: This isn't a forever home

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lurker wrote: the dog/apartment bit at the end was so cute? i'll wait for other reactions or the upload, but i understood that he was talking about them adopting a dog together in definite terms, in contrast to the non-confirming phrasing in the joint ls, and it really stuck out to me how affirmative he was, and how it basically went without saying. he was so comfortable and happy?? i'm emotional.
That's the way i understood it too. The 'brace yourselves" part was pretty straightforward.

@ bomb3 when y'all getting a dog, bro?
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auri wrote:In a total shit post: can we talk about the way Dan laughed at the chat going "the ship is now Phaniel"

cherrybomb is giving me life.
he actually said "yes, no, the ship isn't now phaniel" but agreed i love how he laughed and seemed so calm discussing it. and the fact that he's apparently attached to 'phan' as a brand.
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I was pretty surprised when he talked about mental health, he never seemed like someone who would open up about that stuff, so good for him! Dan and Phil seem so much more open this year, which makes me happy that they feel comfortable with sharing stuff they wouldn't have a while ago.

Dan also mentioned thinking about doing those one-take sort of vlogs, which I'm sure means a "doddlevloggle" style video. It'd be really interesting if he did do those!
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anyone else here concerned of purebred dogs' health problems & and really hoping that dan and phil get a mutt instead? corgis are cute, but so many youtubers already have pugs and other actually sick dogs (which nowadays is pretty much the same as 80% of all dog breeds) so it would also be a good example to the audience. oh boy i cant wait for their dog and house, tbh for some reason im not really into imagining them owning the dog but dogs are just so good
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Just wanted to say that it's so nice reading and seeing so many great posts lately, please carry on
skittles wrote:all i know is, i'm well old by phandom standards, despite being born in the same year as phil. huzzah. this fandom age argument happens in all fandoms, though - kind of comforting to know it always will...?
if you're well old, then i am ancient #notgivingafuck #only18inmyhead
bluebox-away wrote: Also, if they've got proper garden furniture it must be a pretty sizeable balcony/terrace situation, this must be a fairly swanky flat and I wanna see it pls
After watching the liveshow, I am even more intrigued as to how their new place is laid out. They must have a mansion, it looks huge. When Dan said in the liveshow this lounge was quite small and then he turned the iMac around I was like :wtf: small you what.
There is so much that points to them renting some massive apartment, so far we've got that they have a minimum of 3 bedrooms, 2 lounges (both of which are a good size), a room behind the glass from the slounge where Dan is going to film, a massive balcony from what it sounds like, multiple levels, it has aircon. Maaaaan, it's modern af, he says about how no-one can afford to buy in London (so true) but they must be spending thousands on rent for that place - i'd go so far to say at least £4,000 a month. It wouldn't even surprise me that they're in some gated community with a concierge to take in all their packages so the doorbell isn't ringing at 8am. i'm not jealous at all, oh no, not me.
bluntedclaws wrote:The last five minutes of the LS when he was talking about renting and mortgages and dogs have slapped my Phan goggles to my face so hard I'm gonna need a crowbar to pry them off. He sounded SOOO FOND when he was saying how much Phil is into corgis right now .
Literally this. Before the move I really couldn't have given two fucks about their relationship, but now since Dan(iel) has been more open about it, and ever since Phil's soft "not yet" regarding a doggo in the joint liveshow I haven't been able to take off the phan googles (someone please send help, I want to be back in the land of not caring, it feels strange being in the trashcan).
Strangebread wrote:Off topic.

But just wanted to say having been on this forum for around a day I think it's brilliant. I'm kicking myself for not finding it earlier. As someone who's a social loner and doesn't do online stuff it's nice to talk to people who are in the fandom :) also you all seem nice and awesome so yer :) so thanks for making this exist!
glad you like it and decided to join in and post

I'll admit, I watched 50% of the liveshow and the other 50% I was occupied dreaming about how nice their flat looks and being salty about it haha. My internet also died half way through which is a weekly occuring thing that happens. I want to watch it back at some point because I did enjoy what I took in.
I always enjoy it when Dan talks about music, and I wish he did it more often tbh, even if he can be quite patronising/pretentious sometimes. His taste in music is always something that I find interesting, checking out his spotify he listens to a vast range of music (I was kinda shocked to see he had listened to some death metal not that long ago, would have loved to have seen phils face when he played it) and I wish he would talk about some of that more often. Least he's stopped answering the same music questions about MCR/FOB/Panic!
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anime_is_not_cool wrote:anyone else here concerned of purebred dogs' health problems & and really hoping that dan and phil get a mutt instead? corgis are cute, but so many youtubers already have pugs and other actually sick dogs (which nowadays is pretty much the same as 80% of all dog breeds) so it would also be a good example to the audience. oh boy i cant wait for their dog and house, tbh for some reason im not really into imagining them owning the dog but dogs are just so good
Yup! I was really concerned when everyone was saying get a dog after they moved that they might feel pressured into it and get one because they are cute. Dogs are also a massive responsibility and way harder to look after than you think (I learnt this one the hard way). But I think they would do the research and make sure if they do get a purebred they get them from a reputable breeder who hasn't had any dogs with health issues.
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Hi loves
My heart is so happy for Dan. I loved watching him today. I know some people thought that it was to much of a hype about his rebrand with the whole video and stuff.
(But I really enjoyed his video talking about why he was rebranding I felt it was important to him to tell us with a video and it was fun to watch.)
I felt such realness from him tonight. He even played the piano, he wants to share with us. This is a new chapter for Dan and Phil and I am so excited for them. I am sure it will take a while to get into the swing of their new situation but I am positive we will still get pictures and stuff of their new place.
Today's live show I really saw Daniel and I am loving him more and more as the years go on. I have lots more thoughts but if I didn't get in here now I might not of shared later.

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malday wrote:

@ bomb3 when y'all getting a dog, bro?

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cherrybomb3 wrote:
malday wrote:

@ bomb3 when y'all getting a dog, bro?

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haha no but rly tho
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I feel like Dan often over-explains things in a way that can seem condescending because in his mind, he's talking to a bunch of people who are mostly very young. Like, Demon Days was my sh*t back in 2005, I don't need Gorillaz or Blur explaining to me lmao.

Having said that, I don't blame him for doing it because the majority of viewers with whom he interacts are very young. Just think about how many premium messages or Internet Support Group emails he has about exams or peer pressure or school. The teens who get their parents to pay £££ for meet and greets & premium messages, or spam their YT comment sections with incoherent screaming...these are the sides of the fandom that Dan and Phil probably see the most. I'm sure they know it's not a monolith and statistically the older demographic exists, but let's be real, we're hardly the most loud and vocal. Before I found this place I didn't realise there were any other adult D+P fans out there. Even if we are a sizeable chunk just silently watching, that never comes through to the content creator. All they see is the people who do reach out to them - usually in the loudest way possible. And that's the younger fans.

I'm between Dan and Phil in age and I honestly don't see anything wrong with enjoying their content. I feel like they represent me pretty well in terms of being a relatively aimless millennial finding my way through adulthood, I'm not sure how a 14 year old could find Dan's career angst/legitimacy fears/"adulting" worries quite so relatable tbh.

Anyway, this was a super chill and lovely liveshow, I enjoyed it a lot. I liked the last one but it kind of made me feel a bit anxious?? There was a slightly stressed, frenetic vibe to it, perhaps cause of all the unpacking insanity and boxes everywhere. This one was much better. You know Dan's in a good mood when he agrees to play the piano.

Also I agree that they should get a mongrel. I know they're not as "cute" or fashionable as a pedigree but they don't have as many health problems, have a much longer life span, and you're not contributing to an ethically questionable, potentially expoloitative/abusive, industry. They should also adopt a dog from a shelter if possible, there are so many great dogs out there who need homes who've just been abandoned through no fault of their own. Even if they want a puppy, you can find those at shelters too, not just older dogs. It's a great message to send their younger viewers, to make it clear that all dogs are valid wonderful, not just the expensive ones. (Also, in my totally subjective experience, NO ANIMAL will ever love and appreciate you more than an animal that's been abandoned. And you get to feel you're making a positive difference in the world, one small, innocent creature at a time).
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For the past few months i keep coming back to the way Dan speaks in liveshows; whether he's condescending or not or something else. Now that I've started to really watch his liveshows I've noticed three things that stand out, especially when talking about more complicated topics.

(1.) he speaks slowly (2.) he repeats himself (3.) keeps a relatively even, steady voice--even those times in 2016 when he was a moody li'l shit

these are all ingredients used to make condescension; however, I don't think he's cooking that condescending soup, at least not purposefully. I rarely watched his old old liveshows in real time (heck, I rarely do now), but it seems like he's changed his tone within the past two years or so. Dan thinks things through (to a fault), and I have a feeling this change in tone was a deliberate move. And if it was by accident, I don't care I still like it.

A strong reason is he's probably trying to keep his shows accessible to his entire viewership, which is something I admire. During the joint winter 2016 liveshow I realized he has (imo) a non-linear, maybe even desultory, way of thinking. Taking that into account and the fact he's a pretty learned person, he's done as best he can imo of making both the language he uses and the topics he addresses understandable to most people. He tries to simplify his vocabulary, and he backtracks and explains the denser topics.

As commonly cited, a lot of his fans are young and yet to develop a wider worldview and a diverse understanding in both vocabulary and wider topics. From the feelings expressed here, I've gathered many of us, me included, would like him to talk about deeper subjects & stop over-explaining/over-simplifyng most of his opinions. An argument that pops up a lot is along the lines of 'he has older fans as well who don't need things explained to them,' or that he 'caters a lot to the younger fans.' But the thing is, he also probably makes liveshows accessible to a number of his adult viewers who haven't had the privilege of advanced education or education past age 16, or those who have learning disabilities. I don't mind if he comes across a bit condescending if it makes his content accessible to most of his fans. I think he's found a good balance, anyway, of keeping his liveshows both complex yet not hidden by the metaphorical gatekeeper.

Additionally, Dan faces a unique, tricky obstetrical compared to his peers. other 'big' youtubers (imo, I could be very wrong) tend to ramble or stick to lighthearted topics in liveshows; in contrast, Dan seems to talk about real things, his real feelings and thoughts on complicated topics he doesn't have the answer too or hasn't formed an opinion about (we could say chris does the same thing, but he approaches liveshows very differently). Dan's youtube views alone range between 298,000 to 699,000 (rounded to nearest thousand), and most of those wouldn't be rewatches because the vids are 1hr+. Add that to the fact that Dan talks about things of consequence, every word he says can easily be misunderstand (as we've seen countless times, ex: the 'cheeky' vid ).

Danny boi abandons some topics right when they start getting real interesting or close to controversial, but for the most part he doesn't censor himself too much. the closest we'll ever get to the real Dan, for better or for worse, is in his liveshows. His main channel vids are heavily scripted and thought out, he relies on Phil and has no reason to talk about personal things in the DAPG vids. I don't know why Dan decided to have his liveshows be the way they are, instead of being like Phil's where it's lovely and silly and personal while carefully revealing nothing people can talk about analyze or hold him to later. But for some reason Dan decides to be a risky li'l fuk, so it's smart of him to be careful and clear at the risk of sounding condescending.

Okay sorry, I needed to spew words or else I would keep fixating on this topic. Now I can enjoy the fact that their forever home might include a corgi (I've gone to corgi beach day three times, it's one of the only places I've actually shelled out money to buy merch. #worthit)
flarequake wrote:That was so cosy and warm, he was so happy. The pigeon story had me maybe that was the turning point. I wasn't feeling it at the start cos the room's so grey, my first thought was it looks like a Star Trek set and his top could be one of the uniforms, but he was so lovely. Keep smiling, Daniel
YES THIS :platonic: . it was bothering me the whole time because I couldn't figure out what his whole set up reminded me of. Dan's a secret Trekkie confirmed.
edit: oh my gosh this is so long I'm sorry
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bluntedclaws wrote:The last five minutes of the LS when he was talking about renting and mortgages and dogs have slapped my Phan goggles to my face so hard I'm gonna need a crowbar to pry them off. He sounded SOOO FOND when he was saying how much Phil is into corgis right now . Awwww
This live show might've just made me a believer after all, goodbye.
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[offtopic]re: the "age in fandom" thing
I debated with myself whether to post it or not, as I haven't had the time before the ls and now we've moved on, but I decided to do it simply because it's been all so strange for me to read, like from a different planet. I'm not an active tumblr user, but I've seen some posts about people in their 20s being too old for fandoms and it's so... utterly bizarre, idk, that I'm asking myself if it may be a cultural thing. I'm originally from Russia and I've been in fandoms for the last maybe 15 years since my early teens, but I've always felt like I was too young for everything and I couldn't connect with people because of that. I know there are other Russian people on this forum, maybe my perspective is skewed or something, but it has literally always been people in their 20s/30s/40s or more, a lot of women with children, and I really struggled with it and couldn't find my place when I was 16-19. I remember being a beta for some fanfic at 17, I think, and I was so serious about it, the plot, the characterization, the mechanics of sex (because of course it was smut), while the author was an adult woman who just, it turned out, wanted to have a little fun with characters, so she wanted me to check her grammar and didn't care at all for anything else (not in a bad way, just that is was a hobby for her that she wasn't taking seriously). I distinctively remember being a teen and wanting to develop this "mature" lighthearted attitude so I'm able to be a part of a fandom "like an adult", lol (needless to say, I'm 27 now and still don't have any fandom friends in any part of the world, but now, on top of everything, they say I'm too old to be in fandom, man, this world is sure crazy)

edited bc grammar and I'm hella sleepy
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Does anybody have an uncut/non-laggy version of the end of the ls? Maybe one directly from younow? The one uploaded to youtube has chunks missing of it at the end and then is cut off abruptly. (or is it just me?)
56:35-57:05 are a bunch of a clips that cut in and out together
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dontpanic wrote:But the thing is, he also probably makes liveshows accessible to a number of his adult viewers who haven't had the privilege of advanced education or education past age 16, or those who have learning disabilities. I don't mind if he comes across a bit condescending if it makes his content accessible to most of his fans.
yes! this is why i like dan's shows! i have auditory processing issues, and my thought style seems to be like his with the tangents, and the way he talks is good! it's so helpful!
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ive said it once and ill say it again. this is one of my many favorites of dans liveshows. i kept laughing and snorting at some of the funny and cute comments he made. the way he said 'phaniel' was funny and the people in the chat kept freaking out about the name change and it was just like... calm down pls.

dan seemed so relaxed and chill in his liveshow today and i loved it. the talk he had about uni/gcse (is that what theyre called?) was interesting, since i had american schooling, but it was still somewhat relevant as we have very stressful tests to take near the end of high school for us. his talk about mental health was also fascinating as well, as i have mental health issues. and uh..i dunno. it was good. it was chill. i missed the last 10 minutes or so though.. is it on the reupload on youtube?
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question: So we have a post-baking universe, should there be a name for all this? A post-dan is finally happy and comfortable with himself-universe?
anime_is_not_cool wrote:anyone else here concerned of purebred dogs' health problems & and really hoping that dan and phil get a mutt instead? corgis are cute, but so many youtubers already have pugs and other actually sick dogs (which nowadays is pretty much the same as 80% of all dog breeds) so it would also be a good example to the audience. oh boy i cant wait for their dog and house, tbh for some reason im not really into imagining them owning the dog but dogs are just so good
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coffeepenguin wrote:[offtopic]re: the "age in fandom" thing
I debated with myself whether to post it or not, as I haven't had the time before the ls and now we've moved on, but I decided to do it simply because it's been all so strange for me to read, like from a different planet. I'm not an active tumblr user, but I've seen some posts about people in their 20s being too old for fandoms and it's so... utterly bizarre, idk, that I'm asking myself if it may be a cultural thing. I'm originally from Russia and I've been in fandoms for the last maybe 15 years since my early teens, but I've always felt like I was too young for everything and I couldn't connect with people because of that. I know there are other Russian people on this forum, maybe my perspective is skewed or something, but it has literally always been people in their 20s/30s/40s or more, a lot of women with children, and I really struggled with it and couldn't find my place when I was 16-19. I remember being a beta for some fanfic at 17, I think, and I was so serious about it, the plot, the characterization, the mechanics of sex (because of course it was smut), while the author was an adult woman who just, it turned out, wanted to have a little fun with characters, so she wanted me to check her grammar and didn't care at all for anything else (not in a bad way, just that is was a hobby for her that she wasn't taking seriously). I distinctively remember being a teen and wanting to develop this "mature" lighthearted attitude so I'm able to be a part of a fandom "like an adult", lol (needless to say, I'm 27 now and still don't have any fandom friends in any part of the world, but now, on top of everything, they say I'm too old to be in fandom, man, this world is sure crazy)

edited bc grammar and I'm hella sleepy
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not sure if it is cultural, I'd say it's more yt and lately also anime/manga community specific. I've been in a lot of fandoms, and even in HP we had a group of people from 16 up to 50+. And they've done cosplay, written fictions and went to conventions. so idk, I have never experienced this feeling of being too old, only lately with anime/manga community and dnp specifically. Also when tumblr started in my memory there were mainly people from late teens to late 20s (that mainly migrated there after the big livejournal strikethrough, ah good old days, not the strikethrough though), but lately... but again, it is depending on fandom I suppose. I don't think about it too often cause it really depends on fandom - and I certainly don't feel anyone is too old for tumblr :D just depends on the 'circles' around fandoms. and yt creates just a very young circle on first glance. (man I miss the HP fandom..cause after the circle fell apart, it sure is kinda lonely just floating around.. nostalgia)
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achika wrote:Does anybody have an uncut/non-laggy version of the end of the ls? Maybe one directly from younow? The one uploaded to youtube has chunks missing of it at the end and then is cut off abruptly. (or is it just me?)
56:35-57:05 are a bunch of a clips that cut in and out together
here's most of it:
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all that came after was him saying "or maybe it'll be an ugly mongrel we adopt"

edit: sorry this is just the dog bit. there was some other stuff after it but i've been so hung up on the dog stuff that i misread.
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achika wrote:Does anybody have an uncut/non-laggy version of the end of the ls? Maybe one directly from younow? The one uploaded to youtube has chunks missing of it at the end and then is cut off abruptly. (or is it just me?)
56:35-57:05 are a bunch of a clips that cut in and out together
It's not just you. I tried to rewatch it and while it didn't go all blocky and mute like while watching live, it did jump a few times and cut off. So end clips would be much appreciated if someone has them.

Edit: Thank you awsugar and happy birthday tomorrow! I hope 23 is a good year for you (it was for me, I got married and had our son, our anniversary is tomorrow )

Love the discussions happening. Nothing really to add. You all are awesome. Dan is awesome. Much agreement. Feeling inspired from livestream and forum (read it Dan's Sims status voice)
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bluntedclaws wrote:The last five minutes of the LS when he was talking about renting and mortgages and dogs have slapped my Phan goggles to my face so hard I'm gonna need a crowbar to pry them off. He sounded SOOO FOND when he was saying how much Phil is into corgis right now . Awwww
This live show might've just made me a believer after all, goodbye.
just came to say: same

like i used to be so indifferent about the nature of their relationship back when I was a fairly invested fan, then I stopped following D&P so much, and now I'm more into them again and simultaneously more and more convinced that they're actually together. although I don't know, maybe I've just become softer and less cynical, too (#rebranding).
anyway they're cute af and they warm up my cold, dead heart. can't wait to see them getting a dog and a forever home.
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achika wrote:Does anybody have an uncut/non-laggy version of the end of the ls? Maybe one directly from younow? The one uploaded to youtube has chunks missing of it at the end and then is cut off abruptly. (or is it just me?)
56:35-57:05 are a bunch of a clips that cut in and out together
i'm p sure the one uploaded to tumblr is better but it was uploaded to danisnotonfire which redirects to danielhowell so you have to watch it on mobile. when i get home i can try to download it and make it more accessible
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Phil and Misc Watch 2017
everything is different now (May 2, 2017)

Prompted Phil Mention
19:30 (chat) Why does Phil have a shelf in your room?
“This is the upstairs living room. Maybe the downstairs one could be Phil’s and this one could be mine and that way we could both play video games at the same time without being annoyed that one of us is hogging the TV. Oh my god, that’s how I could have played Zelda while Phil played FF.”
"I think I showed you in Phil’s show that there’s this weird glass wall [to maybe use as dinof background, not sure yet]. Expect things to move around."

20:18 (chat) Were you there when Phil got shouted at for the pigeons?
"I wasn’t there, but I’ve seen Phil freaking out about the pigeons"
"Phil was like, 'I’m so excited. There’s pigeons’"
“Lots of people were like [don’t fuck with pigeons] but Phil was super excited, so he started feeding them with cereal, [and he freaked out/projectile-attacked the pigeon with food]"
“The pigeon screamed and started flying, Phil screamed and ran away and I was just sat here like ‘what did you even attempt to do there’”

35:30 (chat) Do you think Phil is going to change his branding?
“No, Phil’s happy with AmazingPhil and blue and green colours."
Unprompted Phil Mention
2:06 “So you’ll probably not see [this room] other than in photos that Phil inevitably posts of me doing something, like stop taking photos of me you creep"

04:23 "Name a YTer other than Phil that actually [doesn’t use their real name]. I’m like the only person other than Phil that hasn’t changed their display name thing to their actual name on YT yet. But I thought I’d make a really big deal of it, just for you."

12:44 (about his many new terraria/ums) “I’m in charge of watering them, not Phil"

22:30 “I love when YTers do house tours, and yet I feel like they’re a bit too materialistic. Who knows if Phil feels like that’s [a/the?idk] way. Or not. Who knows.”

41:55 "Phil’s having a holiday with his family. Honestly, Playlist Live, we’ve been going the past couple years, why does Phil’s family always have a holiday in Orlando at the same time? I feel like they’re in cahoots. I don’t trust them at all. So we filmed a bunch of [DAPG] videos."
Neutral Phil Mention
05:15 “My name is still Dan is the thing, and my username is still danisnotonfire, so 'Phil is not on fire', wh—? (laughs) I love that people were actually concerned about this. Phil is not on fire series, it's an important thing to a lot of people out there."
"All of the new pinof vids are just sequels to the first one, there’s no reason why those would change. 'Dan and Phil' is still Dan and Phil because my name is still Dan.”

7:15 "‘Phil is not on fire’ doesn’t change. Nothing’s changing other than my external branding."

14:50 (chat) Dan when did you decide to rebrand?
"For awhile. For a very very, very very, very long time. The thing is, me and Phil [had the book and tour thing going on] and the whole point was to kind of celebrate and immortalize these early days of YT and everything and the name ‘danisnotonfire’ was obviously— 'Phil and I’ [annoying neverending gag of people correcting his grammar and him engaging with it continues]"

15:35 "Obviously I couldn’t [rebrand during the tour]."
[then he thought he would do it in November, then the new year for his first video, but:
Jan: recovering from tour
Feb: “Me and Phil were like doing a thing that you might see or like maybe not, who knows"
Mar: "difficult for reasons that I might tell you"

Then Australia. Now here he is.]
“What happened? How has 6 months passed?"
-what could they have possibly done in Feb that he feels is worth mentioning but that we 'might not see'. We're obviously going to see it, wtf is it. PITCHING? SERIES? Weren't they talking about exercise and we assumed it was about moving/packing BUT MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING ELSE PHYSICAL. Trying to get another stage show going?

17:05 "There’s a Dan shelf and a Phil shelf. Up there, you’ve got Phil’s Buffy comics, some Stephen King books. There you’ve got all my old poetry and theatre and some like shitty philosophy books"

25:50 “The one regret that me and Phil have about tatinof is that it couldn’t go to more places. It was a big production, we had a point to prove, we wanted it to be super creative and blow everyone’s minds— ‘Phil and I’ [grammar banter continues some more, shoot me]."
"The one bad thing was we didn’t get to go to all the places in Europe, in Canada [ :sideeye: ], in Asia, New Zealand, so yeah."
-.......... Maybe they'll get those other places on Tour #2 since they proved their point and sold out a bunch of venues.....
Gotta keep saving for that downpayment

33:48 “Me and Phil were so completely absorbed by tatinof and even the book before that [so basically all the changes were being put off until now]. But that’s just because we’ve barely just recovered from the tour.”

40:25 "me and Phil are hosting [a Playlist kick off thing], we’re being like, super professional presenters, except it’ll be stupid and casual, so that should be fun."
"Obviously me and Phil will do some things just us”
“Honestly, ‘Phil and I’, I’m just not gonna learn [shoot. me.], the day I say 'Phil and I' will be the day I stop referring to it as the ‘danisnotonfire' background."

42:55 (chat) Have you met the neighbours yet?
"I haven’t yet. Phil has. That went well, didn’t it?"

58:55?[ish in original younow] (chat) Can't wait to meet you this Saturday
"Is that this Sa- Oh my god it's Tuesday! Me and Phil are totally prepared to host this event."
Miscellaneous
4:00 "So from now on my username online is going to be Daniel Howell."

5:00 "As I said, this is just me changing my display name; the YT channel will always be danisnotonfire, whether I like it or not"

6:25 “'Can I call you 'the Big D’ said George. No."
-wow George I’m glad he’s back, life wasn’t the same without a weekly check in from George living his George life

06:55 “It’s funny because my family calls me Daniel. No one from my family calls me Dan. Or Danny.”
-interesting, but not a bad thing like I feel some people might run with it. My brother’s friends/etc and our parents call him a shortened version of his name and I’ve never once called him anything but his full name, and we’re close, so. Don't jump into the deep end just with that little tidbit, you might drown

7:35 (chat) What’s your fursona name?
"D-fizzle, I guess, I don’t know"

8:00 “Someone wise said to me: You are happy when you feel like you’re being authentic, so if you know who you are on the inside and that is the who you are that you’re portraying on the outside, that’s one of the things that can make you feel at ease. Or rather, that if you feel like the person you’re portraying on the outside isn’t wholly reflecting who you are on the inside, that can be a source of stress and anxiety. And I’m sure lots of you probably feel like that now […].
And it’s that whole thing where you feel like ‘I need to be who I am’ and that could be coming out, it could be dyeing your hair, it could be becoming a hamster breeder and running away to Argentina.
[It’s important that all of you try to] aspire to communicate the person that you are on the inside. Which for me isn’t a big deal, but changing my name to Daniel Howell was just a tiny part of that. So yeah, that’s that."

9:30 (chat) 2017 Dan is my favourite Dan
“Same”
-

10:00 smidge of piano playing I LOVE LAMP
“Uh oh Dan’s cheating the fingering”
“So I’ll get back to you in 10 years once I’ve learned that"

10:50 “Yes, no, the ship isn’t now ‘phaniel’ (laughs). Whatever."

26:25 “The thing is, with YT videos, it’s really tough for me ‘cause I worry so much. [he basically put out the quiz video on dinof as filler while freaking out about rebranding/moving/Australia].
It’s that thing where lots of people can enjoy lots of content but what makes me happy, what makes Daniel happy, is when I feel like I’m really really challenging myself and expressing myself, and doing something that I feel is original to me and not just any kind of light entertainment that anyone could make. And I know that that’s bad in the sense that there’s so many things I could do that people would just enjoy [...] but the whole thing with me is I roll around for 4 days [and whatever comes out at the end], at some point I felt like it was something personal to me that I wanted to express."
28:15 "When I get back from Orlando, I’ll do some deep introspective pondering and I do want to make it a goal that more content on my YT channel is good. Stuff that you go, ‘damn that was some good content.’”

29:05 “The thing is, when I’m a YTer and I’ve got this kind of established community of lovely, intelligent, kind, supportive, talented people with great taste, just the best taste on the internet, I feel like it’s a big deal to change anything. Because people like watching the Dan videos, and if something changes, then it’s like [oh no change is scary], but personally in your lives change can be inspiring.”

29:45 “Sometimes you do things that would make you less comfortable. It’s that whole ‘living vs existing’ thing. It’s like, what is ‘having everything you need and being comfortable and being content moment to moment’ vs really—"
"Deep down I’m somebody that craves that challenge and I feel like I need to be provoked a bit, so maybe stuff like that’s important, even if it causes adversity in the meanwhile"

30:55 (chat) Marry Owen Jones
“I think he has a boyfriend, I’m not sure."

33:25 (chat) Dan for Prime Minister so we have better school lives
“Maybe. I have too many skeletons in my closet."

34:35 “You’ll see [more of the apartment] in exposing videos that Phil shoots of me without me looking up"

35:10 “I could be about that, but I feel like mentally I need to be in a different place [to be more casual or shit-posty on his side channel the way other YTers are]. It’s scary.”

42:17 "'Horse' said Tommy. Yup, horse is coming, Tom. Don’t worry, you’re going to get that horse action that you crave. Among other things."
-well all I’m craving now is a ship name for George and Tommy. Teorge. Gommy?

45:15 (after music talk) “YTers, it’s very hard, because what people want is lots of stuff all the time, and music artists get to spend like 2 years doing an album that then blesses you forever. And I’m not saying that’s what I want to do, it’s about me just finding that sweet spot where I’m happy with the content that I’m making, I think it’s good, and then I’m also not starving everybody to death."

46:50 “Tell you what, we saw Troye [at Amplify] and had a little catch-up chat very briefly. I was like, ’sorry to just like disgrace your existence with my ugly self in your presence’"

51:25 “My kind of inspiration for dinof, what I need is time and space because I’m an introvert. So even if I’ve been on holiday with a bunch of people, that will kind of stress me out a bit."
"Because what I need in order to be creative and calm down is just to be alone in a quiet place."

52:30 "I’m just not a good YTer in that sense. Some people might just be much more functional people that don’t have to deal with all the mental health issues. Until I make changes in my life as I go along, just constantly trying to make things better for who I am, what I’m like, this is just how it works. So for you, who are used to all these other YTers, I’m sorry that I’m not a better YTer, but it’s just the struggle."
"There’s so many things that I know that I should be doing, it’s just hard to do.”
"These last couple years, they’ve been so busy, and it’s been great, these last two years. They’ve definitely been the best years of my life, just with all of the great success and amazing times me, and Phil, have had, really connecting with you guys. And now it’s a time to kind of sit back and breathe. Where I shouldn’t have agreed to going to all of these events, cause honestly— (laughs).
‘Phil and I’. Look. (laughs)."
-I'm really glad he's making all these changes at his own pace and on his own terms and not feeling the need to be defensive about it, he's just laying it the fuck out here so simply and I'm not the most outwardly sentimental person, ew emotions, but things are happening in my heart rn over all of this

55:45 (chat) Have you watched Line of Duty?
“No, Andrew. But everyone I know keeps telling me to, and now you have Andrew, so it’ll be the next show that I'll watch."
-George, Tommy, Steven, Andrew. why does it suddenly reek of Axe/Lynx body spray in here

55:55 (chat) Doggo please
“Not yet. Still renting. Renting is bad” etc.
“So Phil and I can’t get a dog yet, ‘cause it’s not a dog-friendly landlord and all that. A dog would be good. Phil’s obsessed with a corgi. So, brace for that, who knows. Or maybe it will be an ugly mongrel that we adopt, that was like the first dog that my family got, a completely unfunctional mongrel."

56:50 "London is very expensive, like oh my god. Like no one can buy a house, no young people. The only people that can buy houses in London are like doctors or 50-year olds that have been saving up. It's challenging."

58:10 "after Orlando I’ll make a [dinof] video”

"Thank you to everybody who was kind about yesterday. I had no idea what to expect."
"Everyone was being almost too sincere and supportive because you know, it’s not a big deal. It's still danisnotonfire."
"So thanks. As always, bear with me on this journey of life and YT. I have no idea what I’m doing. It’s just a constant struggle. There will be new YT videos at some point. What will it be? Oh god, what am I doing? With my life? I don't even know, I’ve just been thinking about this book I’ve been writing with Phil and this stage show for so long and now.. What is it all about?”
Phinal Tally: said ‘Phil’ 45 times
~45/60mins = 0.75 per min

K I’m loving Daniel Howell and his frankness with his creative struggles. It’s not a new topic for him by any means, he's said as much before, but he just seems like a weight's been lifted off his shoulders. This liveshow didn't stress me the fuck out like earlier ones before ISG, he wasn't defensive about anything. Like he was literally so fucking defensive and weird about people prodding him about his clearly hinted at rebranding intentions around then, which I get was about him being stressed over it (and everything else probably) at the time. But wow it's so much easier to just say 'this is stressing me the fuck out, here's why' and/or 'this is what I'm doing, here's why' and finally getting rid of his name did that. He Did That. I'm being gross, but this was such a nice liveshow, ahh. Also if Tabitha (or Dil!) doesn't give birth to an alien baby in the next ep, I want a refund.
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I haven't read everyone's posts yet but that live show was possibly my favorite thing Dan has ever put out. I can't even express in words how happy he seemed to me through pretty much the whole thing. And he's so glad to have changed his display name, and he's so glad that moving is over and he has storage, and he snuck in there that he and Phil will probably buy a house together one day. He was so comfortable in where he is, while being so open for change in the future.

I'm sorry, I'm sure all of this has been said already because I'm late af and can't watch his live shows until 8pm EST (damn you, job and fulfilling career), but I'm just over here dying and I don't know how biology can explain the physical pain in your chest.. (I'm really sorry for that one, but I can't breathe rn.)
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That was hands down my favourite liveshow he's ever done. He came across so calm and content, and I left the liveshow feeling really at peace. Sometimes I find Dan just exudes stress and self-consciousness in live shows (which is understandable, don't get me wrong) and those moods always rub off on me and make me feel stressed, but this liveshow was just lovely. He was so introspective and honest, and I agree with whoever said that it seemed like a weight had been lifted off his shoulders. Some specific things I enjoyed:

- him agreeing that 2017!Dan is his favourite Dan. That's so wonderful to hear! I feel similar in that this year I'm actively trying to be as authentic as possible, and to stop hiding parts of myself, and it genuinely is really freeing. I'm glad he's experiencing that too, and I'm so happy for him that he's finally at a place where he feels at least somewhat more comfortable with himself (it's a long and complicated process of course, I doubt he's 100% in love with himself/who he is or anything).


- jumping off of that, I appreciated his whole spiel about being authentic and how feeling like your trying to be someone you're not can be stressful and anxiety-inducing. He seemed to genuinely be thinking a lot about the wellbeing of his audience, and this was one of those live shows that made me feel that he really does want the best for his audience. He made me feel very safe and welcomed, and it was the sort of thing I'm sure a lot of his audience probably needed to hear

- his speech about his introversion and how that affects the creative process for him, as well as his use of the phrase 'mental health issues'. Again, v relatable to me personally as I'm exactly the same way and it's why I simultaneously leave everything to the last minute and am an anxious perfectionist. It made me understand his """"quality threshold"""" a lot better, and I'm glad he felt open enough to talk about that.

- mysterious February and March antics?? I agree that February definitely sounded like something professional, but the "you may or may not see" threw me a bit. March was more vague though, I'm so curious!!

- and of course, the way he talked about buying a house and eventually adopting a dog as something that will happen alongside Phil I really don't think there's any way to interpret that other than as something that he's 100% planning to do in partnership with Phil, and that made my trash heart so warm and happy.

- also dontpanic your entire post was incredible and made me rethink the way I've previously interpreted Dan's potentially condescending attitude in his liveshows. I'd never thought of it that way, but I think you could be spot on! I also didn't think he was condescending about Kendrick Lamar or gorillaz today, just aware that a portion of his audience genuinely may not know of them and wary of making anyone feel lost.

Anyway 11/10 liveshow! I came out of it feeling very happy for and fond of Dan. I really do think this rebrand was something he's been contemplating and stressing over for a while, and I'm glad he finally went through with it. He seems so calm and content lately, and for his sake I hope that continues for a while. These last few weeks have been so amazing

(also this is my 200th post wow)
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