Dan & Phil Part 46: Some kind of a gay backstory

[lost686girl]

I wish we could have kept this honesty (kinda) and optimism. But it's all good here in 2017, they've got their third official place together, just came back from Lester family vacation. It's fine, I'm fine, we're all fine. Take a deep breath and look forward to today's liveshow.

they've come a long way, haven't they? thanks for your awesome explanation

i was wondering if anyone had any theories with regards to what dan said in his last liveshow about february and march?

February: "me and phil were doing a thing that you might see, or like maybe not, who knows"

March: "um-umm difficult for reasons that i might tell you"

i've heard a lot of people wondering about march but nothing about feb, wondered if y'all could decode everything again

On top of that, Phil gave the impression in his last LS that he was quite busy which is why he couldn't settle for a permanent LS day. I wonder if they are working on a secret project or if he just has some more movie dates nights planned.

wedding planning


i'm glad to top this thread with my tin hatting. yes. yes indeed.

[lualey]

[offtopic]Can someone tell me at what time Dan does his liveshows? It's been so long that i've forgotten [/offtopic]

[DatCog]

[offtopic]Can someone tell me at what time Dan does his liveshows? It's been so long that i've forgotten [/offtopic]

9pm BST which is in just under 5 hours from now

[Susanisnotafish]

Re: the hack Tweets. Ohhh that makes so much more sense. I didn't think that Dan remotely hacking Phil's Twitter account before they met IRL would have been that endearing to Phil, so I figured it was someone like Charlie, teasing about the relationship. Good to know.

was dan one of the reasons phil moved to manchester, or is that just the city closest to his parents house? (or both lol)

Phil was raised in a town just 17 miles north of Manchester. So when Dan came to visit during his gap year, Phil would take a bus into the city and meet Dan at the train station. They would hang out in the city, then go back to Phil's home

I think that Phil was a major reason for Dan considering Manchester. However, Dan did apply to several schools including York (fun fact in mid March 2010 Dan went up to Manchester for their "uni open day", then Phil followed Dan back home during which Dan had an interview at University of York [aww Google has a pic of Phil as one of their notable almuni]. So I would like to imagine Phil showing Dan around his alma mater. I do wonder if Dan had chosen York or another university if that is where Phil would have got his first apartment). However as fate would have it the University of Manchester accepted Dan unconditionally (as he didn't have the required AAA) and that's where he went.

I think it was a good decision for both of them and like to imagine the discussions that led to it. One of my favorite deleted danisnotinteresting videos is from August 8, 2010. When Dan talks about being excited for Phil's new apartment. It starts at about 3 mins in.

Let's take a moment to appreciate what he says.

"I guess the next interesting thing that's happening in my life... is that-- (scrunched up face) well it's not really to do with me, but uh, Phil's moving out. I don't know if you know- you should- but um, Phil is moving out of his home [ ] with his parents, to his own flat in Manchester, which is on the fourteenth floor of a building, and it's really cool, and uh, I'm looking forward to shooting videos, not looking at this, because... Are you guys fed up with it, or do you like it? Do you like looking at this in the background of my videos? ['it's very brown'] I don't know, what do you think?" (never change Dan) "But no yeah, that's very exciting, so I can't wait to dump all my shit in his house and um... just stay there all the time and eat his food. It's going to be great. And making videos, which is my next point..."

Oh baby Dan... Yes it is going to be great staying at your boyfriend's Phil's apartment (more than at your dorm. It's okay, I did the exact same thing. That is until you start defensively denying it in VYous and claim it's just convient to hang out/live with a fellow YouTuber. I wish we could have kept this honesty (kinda) and optimism. But it's all good here in 2017, they've got their third official place together, just came back from Lester family vacation. It's fine, I'm fine, we're all fine. Take a deep breath and look forward to today's liveshow.

videos like that make me so fond of old dan, honestly back in 2009/2010 they both seemed so adorable on social media (the amount of times they visited one another DAMN i dread to think of the cost of train tickets). stuff like phil sneaking dan mcdonalds when he was sick in hospital is also v cute - back before the denials. i'm finding their content so interesting now, i'm really excited to see what they have ready for the future, i can sense projects.

also, i decided to rewatch some old liveshows and wow i'll never be more pleased to never have to here that "click to become a fan" ever again.

liveshow today is exciting, dan always tends to overshare when he's on his own so it may be revealing.

i was wondering if anyone had any theories with regards to what dan said in his last liveshow about february and march?

February: "me and phil were doing a thing that you might see, or like maybe not, who knows"

March: "um-umm difficult for reasons that i might tell you"

i've heard a lot of people wondering about march but nothing about feb, wondered if y'all could decode everything again

For Feb I was thinking maybe something to do with making Phil's Mark of Oxin game available for others to play?

[Elemancy]

Pushing hard for change is very un-Japanese, so if that's what feminism is then I think it's incompatible with Japanese core values.


Advancements in technology allow people to have more freedom of choice in their lives because it makes both jobs outside the home and housework much easier. Jobs that used to destroy men's health are now easy and safe enough that women can do them without society having a collective heart attack about it, and housework is quick and easy enough that you don't have to spend all day everyday doing it, so now men and women both are freer to make choices about our lives. Choices that laws alone couldn't give us because of life's responsibilities.


One of the biggest issues women have in Japan is the lack of respect in business, but this is slowly changing. Once the current generation of upper management finally releases their death grip on their companies and retire, I think we'll see more women in those positions. I don't think it will ever be an equal outcome even with equal opportunity though, because women here just aren't as interested in such positions. Being a housewife is still a popular choice among women even despite the freedom to work.

Likewise, most Japanese people think it would be good if there were more women in politics, but even despite that general attitude and government efforts to get more women in politics it's just not happening, so I think probably women aren't interested in that as much either. People certainly aren't avoiding voting for them.


I had to look up the Bechdel test. It seems arbitrary and weird to me, but I'm pretty sure most popular Japanese anime and dramas would pass. Not sure about movies since I don't watch movies much. I don't think anybody in Japan would care about such a metric, and would instead focus on the characters as individuals and how they fit into the story.


Housewives are much more common than househusbands, so most daytime TV and commercials are more targeted to women over their 30s, which includes cleaning commercials, but it's somewhat mixed. I found a compilation of Japanese commercials https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sshKiBsS-k it's the first video I clicked on and in the first 2 minutes there's a dad making a bento and taking his kid to the park. There are male and female versions of this particular commercial campaign

In rounding back to the original relevant topic of discussion about opening channels of communication between understanding both sides of a perspective or political stance where the viewpoints are not centered on potentially harmful rhetoric but merely a contrast of opinion about ideals and their usefulness or implementation, I think it's always best to hear the point of view of those directly affected by the issues feminism addresses or directly involved in its efforts of reform in Japan rather than relying on an interpretative perspective alone as many things can become lost in translation, even as a citizen of that country.

It's a complex subject with I'm sure many more contributors and angles than I will ever know about from my own limited purview as someone not of Japan and also as someone hugely aware of the limitation involved with applying european/western standards of thinking to other cultures, but I found the two articles below featuring interviews with different advocates of the movement in Japan interesting to read if only for a better, more well rounded idea of the issues faced and the actions being taken and the reception/backlash towards these measures.

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/life/2015/1 ... -feminism/

http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/08/05/jap ... -election/

In the second article linked, on the subject of politics in Japan, when you say there's no visible interest in pursuing politics I found the below contrast interesting to read:

For women with political ambitions, the system in Japan remains stacked against them. Noelle Takahashi, a politically active woman who currently works for a private firm in Tokyo, is angling for a seat in the next House of Representatives general election as a candidate with the Democratic Party of Japan, the country’s second-largest political party. Takahashi says political parties prefer a certain kind of profile when they are selecting candidates for office. “They prefer a man,” she said, “who graduated from Tokyo University, majored in law, and used to work in the Ministry of Finance,” long regarded as Japan’s most powerful ministry.

And when women are able to run for office, it’s often for vacancies — less desirable political districts that established, usually male politicians can avoid. “Women candidates can only get the leftovers,” Takahashi said.

Even the women who have managed to make it into elected office tend to hold less influential positions and have less experience than their male counterparts. That’s because Japanese women, unlike men, are rarely career politicians. They may have entered office from a less competitive district or on the coattails of a popular national leader. When they are later voted out, as seats are difficult to keep over the long term in Japan, they are likely to give up on politics and move on with their lives.

Seemingly to suggest percieved lack of interest isn't exactly correlative to the answer of why women aren't engaging with political careers, with other interesting points made in the rest of the article talking about the emphasis of family and other societal norms as only one part of the problem. On the whole, although there may be skeptiscm towards adopting the term feminsim, there's still interest in adopting its philosophy. Maybe it's un-Japanese to want change, but maybe it's just human to seek change in unfavorable circumstances and in doing so it seems natural people will gather around certain movements that provde the catalysis and framework better than others while using it to accomodate their personal circumstances as they vary from country to country.

and the technology answer still confuses me...to me it seems like saying with the invention of the roomba people no longer need to worry about domestic chores and can now get on to funding that start-up or playing mini golf at the arcade next door without a problem, when just as I mentioned, situations tend to be more complex than such a simple solution would imply even taking into account opposing core values and traditions.

I don't know. Just a thought out of many..

Also, I'm ready for a nice engaging Dan ls today. Bring me the bants.

[Aurdie]

In England, you can do an LLB in law straight after high school, and it only takes three years (or maybe 4 at some unis I think).

(or you can also do another degree and then do a conversion course afterwards)

Thank you.

[phanofcats]

i was wondering if anyone had any theories with regards to what dan said in his last liveshow about february and march?

February: "me and phil were doing a thing that you might see, or like maybe not, who knows"

March: "um-umm difficult for reasons that i might tell you"

i've heard a lot of people wondering about march but nothing about feb, wondered if y'all could decode everything again

February has got me clueless, there are so many possibilities. For March I figured it has something to do with maybe trying to rent a different appartment (or maybe even buy a house?) but it fell through. Its sort of difficult to get the place you want in London (probably espically if you have such a weird job that people don't understand).

[saffarinda]

i was wondering if anyone had any theories with regards to what dan said in his last liveshow about february and march?

February: "me and phil were doing a thing that you might see, or like maybe not, who knows"

March: "um-umm difficult for reasons that i might tell you"

i've heard a lot of people wondering about march but nothing about feb, wondered if y'all could decode everything again

February has got me clueless, there are so many possibilities. For March I figured it has something to do with maybe trying to rent a different appartment (or maybe even buy a house?) but it fell through. Its sort of difficult to get the place you want in London (probably espically if you have such a weird job that people don't understand).

yeah, i was thinking feb was more business related whilst march was more personal. plus, when attempting to get a mortgage you have to declare how much money you make per year, i suppose such an "unstable" career could cause people to be wary, especially in London where mortgages would probably be v expensive.

[alittledizzy]

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