Dan & Phil Part 53: another two months

Sat Aug 19, 2017 12:44 pm

autumnhearth and others who've posted timestamps so far are you gonna put them in the thread for the vid? this is gonna be a series i'll rewatch so i'd really love to read through everyone's different perspective as i follow along again this week:

http://indepthbants.com/topic930.html

(mine here too if you don't wanna click between)

will echo everyone else in that i loved this instalment! their nerves have settled tremendously in the space of one episode and this was 45 minutes of loveliness.

SneakyLizard wrote: What I'm enjoying about both of the Dream Daddy episodes is that they seem to be playing quite earnestly...

Having to choose the storyline really does reveal quite a lot about d&p and the way they approach the world, (so far mostly in regard to parent/child relationships I think) which I kind of feel honored to be allowed insight into)

i feel this way about the insights into dating and friendship choices already. the last few minutes of wrap-up where they asked one other who their favourite dads were and gave reasons for why felt...i don't know, it was essentially them saying who they would date, rather than who a fictional character should, and wasn't sexualised or played for comedy. Dan has made very lusty comments in the past with not much outside of this, and Phil barely anything personal on the subject. and about men this time, to boot. it felt like a milestone as a dan and phil viewer. it felt huge.

Stakhanov wrote: I felt Dan was almost painfully honest at 37:30 when talking about Robert: " It's like me" .. joking, double joking than triple joking" "and then everyone's just like.. wow. Do you have a personality? Or are you just hiding it under layers of humor as a defense mechanism" [followed by his signature self-realization stare]. To which Phil very sweetly says "Don't worry Dan" and Dan says "eh I'm kidding".
I'm not convinced you were Dan

i initially thought this was Dan saying he was kidding, too, but then realised he was reading text on the screen from Robert? so he wasn't taking it back at all. this was an interesting moment - Phil started out smiling, and then by the end of Dan's sentence looked mildly uncomfortable and was looking downwards. It *was* painfully honest, and that seemed to make Phil freeze up a bit. with no hint of irony this was something Dan *didn't* try to double-triple-joke take back, and rightly so (i'm proud of him for not, actually). i'm not surprised Phil had a visible reaction, it's difficult to listen to someone you love say something serious and self-reflective.

provoked the rare and elusive Phil Priss Face:

Dan saying out loud how much he loves his family was satisfying to hear, balances out the issues and frustrations he's vocalised in the past and gives a less one dimensional, complex take on family (which is never a simple subject).

Sorry if I'm repeating something already said and i missed it, but they've role-played as teacher/student, right?! Dan's embarrassed face covering and smile afterwards, and Phil's cheeky laugh after the cane comment at 5.00 can't be a coincidence. there was backstory there. c'mon:

I was also gobsmacked at Phil saying 'DREAMBOAT!' so emphatically after Matt put the flower crown on his head. that's the most we've gotten since the 'shirtless Jacob' comment, but better this time because it's coming from Phil's mouth.

'he really fills out those trousers' was almost as good, but no surprise because we already know Dan loves big dick

Sat Aug 19, 2017 12:48 pm

oh i missed Dan's blond tweet -
if it was another forfeit, would Phil tweet that? seems too incendiary for mr. nice guy

topical choice too with the nazi bullshit at the moment.

captainspacecoat · Sat Aug 19, 2017 12:53 pm

It's a year since Frank Ocean's Blond came out, could it be to do with that?

edit: with regards to all the pasta talk, i get not teaching your child how to cook pasta but i just thought it was pretty obvious regardless. like how else did he think the pasta went from being hard to soft? surely he'd seen his parents cooking it before? it seems kind of common sense to me, which is why i thought it was so funny

Stakhanov · Sat Aug 19, 2017 12:54 pm

Yea, it's peculiar how we can all eat totally different things and still think we're eating "the genuine thing". I'm just going on a food rant here because i'm hungry but..

Some things i've learned on the internet from chatting with americans:
-french toast is a thing that's unknown in france, or anywhere else.
-American pancakes are an abomination, I don't care what you think

-As a good Belgian I am honour-bound to point out to any american that french fries have nothing to do with freedom and are actually a Belgian invention.
-Though i have to be snobbish about my refined european tastes outwardly (plot twist: i don't really care for the current hype about masterchefs/ good eating etc..), i do secretly admire the ease and variety and 24/24 h 'food strips' that every US town seems to have. I pay 15 euro here if i order out and my choices are between pizza and pizza (and kebab ofc)
-My parents came back from blackpool a couple of years ago and they said it was a food desert. I wonder if that's the future we're all marching towards.

Catallena wrote:
somethingsketchy wrote:
Stakhanov wrote:No he did actually somehow survive his teen years, home alone, with only food and games to keep him company yet mysteriously unaware of the basic fact that you're supposed to add water to dry pasta and cook it?
I mean, does he ever look at pasta? Does he not appreciate it's moist and wet
nature? Has living years with cheesophobic Phil made him blind to the beauty of an al dente bowl of carbs? Does he just eat microwaved popcorn all day?

Thank you @autumnhearth and @alittledizzie for making me doubt Dan's general adulting capabilities and also how the fuck does he manage to make wok up some pretty ok looking dishes in some vids yet not know of pasta. This makes no sense to me. Is he pulling one on me? Is he actually a rat turned human? To many questions.
I've always been under the impression that mac&cheese is a thing only in North America, so Phil hating cheese probably has nothing to do with Dan's pasta eating or cooking habits. Like in Northern Europe where I live, mac&cheese only exists in American teen movies and The Sims.
Italians definitely put cheese on pasta tho.. just not in the pasta drowned in cheese sauce way Americans do.

Ablissa · Sat Aug 19, 2017 1:03 pm

I feel as though Dan is out to kill us with his recent cryptic tweets.
Or is this about Dream Daddy

captainspacecoat · Sat Aug 19, 2017 1:06 pm

Ablissa wrote:
I feel as though Dan is out to kill us with his recent cryptic tweets.

The more time passes since the tweet, the more convinced I am that it's definitely a reference to the fact that it's exactly a year since Frank Ocean released Blond. Given that Dan loved the album so much, that would make sense to me.

(also sorry for posting twice in the span of like ten minutes, i'm procrastinating writing an essay ugh)

blackdenim · Sat Aug 19, 2017 1:07 pm

My reaction to the blonde tweet was that they had started to play further into Dream Daddy

[offtopic]I guess this is technically offtopic since it's not directly about Dan and Phil but I am shook everyone thinks mac&cheese is an American-only food? I'm British and it's like my favourite food ever and actually the only meal I can 100% confidently make by myself!

It's a classic 'kids meal' in our family, my brothers and I used to have it a lot growing up. Although my parents made it from scratch and put veggies in with the pasta so it wasn't that orange box stuff you see on American TV.[/offtopic]

simmehchan · Sat Aug 19, 2017 1:09 pm

Macaroni cheese is definitely a thing here in the UK, but the most common types of pasta dishes are probably spaghetti bolognaise and carbonara. I can definitely see Dan not knowing how to cook pasta if he's never been taught.

The blonde tweet just made me think of Bryony, definitely seems too innocent for a Phil tweet.

Sat Aug 19, 2017 1:10 pm

Stakhanov wrote: In general though, i wonder what people think of their eating habbits? I think they order takeaway a lot. They love food, they are lazy af, they don't have to mind the money and they live in central London where the choice is overwhelming. Have we even seen a kitchen yet? Is any actual cooking being done on the breakfast bar?

I think they do cook often enough, but only a lot of simple and basic shit with help from jars and boxes. They're not the kind of people who stand in the kitchen for hours on end to make stuff from scratch because yeah.. laziness. They definitely spend more on takeaway than the average person though, I'd guess at least once per week.

flarequake · Sat Aug 19, 2017 1:26 pm

British person's pasta and cheese experience coming through... we do have macaroni cheese here, though we didn't make them at home when I was a kid because my dad also hated milky things especially puddings like rice pudding cos they'd been made to eat them at school and they smelt horrible. I used to have them both from a tin when I was about ten, though (the cheese was a bit gloopy, but it was good). My best friend's mum made them both in a long small dish and without loads of sauce so they were solid and you cut off a slice, it was really good (her husband was Algerian-French so I don't know if that was an influence or just cos she's posher than us).

Spaghetti Bolognese is popular, more than macaroni cheese, and so is lasagna. There are Italian restaurants of course and macaroni cheese has become popular as a side dish in pubs and American-style restaurants now too. Carluccio's does a lovely starter of it with crabmeat and they tend to be very filling. Italian ice creams and desserts like tiramisu are favourites too (I would if I liked coffee or alcohol).

As for cooking at home, not knowing pasta needed water is pretty impressive. It's the first thing I learned to cook at university too, I had the gist already, but I asked one of my flatmates and she told me how much water it needed. As a kid I baked a few things with a cute set with a character called Fred, his head was a bowl, his hat a flour shaker and his arms hung the other tools (it was a promotion from the Homepride band). My mum hadn't taught me to cook as her own mum had been so hardnosed about it and she didn't want to inflict the same, never seemed to get you can do things differently instead rather than not at all.

Also, that blond tweet is terrible. I hope it's a Phil-won-a-game cheeky thing again otherwise yikes, Dan

malday · Sat Aug 19, 2017 1:27 pm

blackdenim wrote:My reaction to the blonde tweet was that they had started to play further into Dream Daddy
and had learned more about Joseph's true nature.

I had the same first thought.
That or maybe something to do with the new dinof video, which i still think could be a DNA test related one.

Stakhanov · Sat Aug 19, 2017 1:35 pm

I feel that this is Dan's way to say that he fancies blondes, yes

000dia000 wrote: In response to StakhanovWe never hear them talk about food much now except for candy, unusual snacks, or take-aways like pizza and Indian food. We've only ever seen them cook prepackaged American-Mexican food and Dan has eaten a lot of salads. I'm half convinced from their body types that they survive entirely on bread, cereal, and sugary coffee. Sugar. Sugar.
Sugar. Phil eats so much candy. Dan actually scolds him at points. I don't think they have the best diet, to put it mildly.[/spoiler]

Yes i was thinking the same. I think they are the kind of people who will just eat sugar all day and then only eat salad meals. Not the healthiest, you're right. Sometimes I do worry a bit about them. They don't exactly have healthy sleeping habits. They don't really exercise. The food is iffy. I was a bit shocked when Dan said in a liveshow (2 or 3 weeks back i don't remember exactly) that he usually blocks out all light. While he spends all day on his room inside. Phil is probably also a bit of a homebody.
I'm fully aware that i'm a hypocrite here but it does make me worry about them at times. It's the darker side of the domestic fluff we often talk about.

captainspacecoat · Sat Aug 19, 2017 1:45 pm

Stakhanov wrote:I feel that this is Dan's way to say that he fancies blondes, yes

000dia000 wrote: In response to StakhanovWe never hear them talk about food much now except for candy, unusual snacks, or take-aways like pizza and Indian food. We've only ever seen them cook prepackaged American-Mexican food and Dan has eaten a lot of salads. I'm half convinced from their body types that they survive entirely on bread, cereal, and sugary coffee. Sugar. Sugar.
Sugar. Phil eats so much candy. Dan actually scolds him at points. I don't think they have the best diet, to put it mildly.[/spoiler]
Yes i was thinking the same. I think they are the kind of people who will just eat sugar all day and then only eat salad meals. Not the healthiest, you're right. Sometimes I do worry a bit about them. They don't exactly have healthy sleeping habits. They don't really exercise. The food is iffy. I was a bit shocked when Dan said in a liveshow (2 or 3 weeks back i don't remember exactly) that he usually blocks out all light. While he spends all day on his room inside. Phil is probably also a bit of a homebody.
I'm fully aware that i'm a hypocrite here but it does make me worry about them at times. It's the darker side of the domestic fluff we often talk about.

To be fair, Dan did make quinoa on Thursday night, so maybe they do eat healthy more than they let on. At the end of the day they barely ever actually tell us what they eat so how would we know what their eating habits are truly like? For all we know, they have home-cooked curries/stir-fries/salads most nights and takeaway once or twice a week, who knows tbh

also me, a frank ocean stan, staring off into the distance,,,,,,,

autumnhearth · Sat Aug 19, 2017 1:50 pm

Great post mermaid blood! I had no idea each video had a topic. I'll post it over there. Thanks for the link. Good catch on Dan reading "eh I'm kidding". I'm weighed heavy with feeling now (and lack of sleep).

Re: Dan's cooking abilities- I felt a strong urge to defend him (after calling for him to be dragged) after reading all your posts and speculations (not the looking into why he didn't learn growing up ones, those were good). The cooking pasta without water was definitely a uni reference. But we have many mentions over the years that both the boys can cook. They've said they take it in turns, we've seen Dan making stir-frys, fajitas (seen in Manchester DITL) and curries. They do rely on jars in sauces (Dan has stated this and we've seen their pantry in Festive DITL and maybe one of the Sleepless Night videos), but they dice veggies and add in meat (I'm assuming from a raw state but I don't know that for sure). Here have a video of Dan cooking during a ls with Phil coming in to test the rice at the end. It's cute.

Dan was the one to say he had only had mac and cheese once in his life. He didn't grow up with it and didn't think most Brits did. Thank oqua for capturing his rant.

They probably get take out more than average person, but they are not helpless. Has Phil consumed a ridiculous amount of sugar in his lifetime? Absolutely. But to speculate that they survive on it and know nothing of nutrition is ridiculous. Please keep in mind their branding/relatability and that they don't share most of their domestic life/quinoa preferences (if quinoa even means quinoa).

I interpreted the blond tweet as relating to DD but it's interesting that's it's the anniversary of the album and that he dropped the e.

sparkle · Sat Aug 19, 2017 1:56 pm

PLEASE CAN WE NOT HAVE MOVED ON FROM THE DAN PASTA THING BECAUSE I'VE HAD BEEF WITH DANNY ABOUT THIS FOR LITERAL YEARS.

Skip to 22:51 (ish) to hear Dan talk about how he failed cooking pasta and this is the first time its ever discussed online - he forgot it needed water like an idiot - and THEN skip to 27:53 and ignore how Phil pronounces my name wrong and watch Dans reaction to me doing basically the same thing but worse

my beef comes from him sassing me when in reality I had a fucking oil fire and the last thing you do in an oil fire is put water on it and I never got chance to answer him back.

Also, re:Dan and food in general, about two weeks ago somethingsketchy and I spent far too long trying to work out if Dan was trying vegetarianism/veganism again (I'm now convinced that the politics and pizza pizza was a Fiorentina from Pizza Express). I think Dan can cook, and they have an awareness of food but I also think they like food a lot? Look at the restaurants they go to - I doubt they live on shitty food at home. They have an obscene amount of cookery books if they never cook - including things like the Wagamama Cook Book which isn't exactly simple.

edit: also mac and cheese, as a kid I only ever had the canned Heinz stuff which is vile, but now I can make my own and it's one of my favourite foods. I don't think its as popular as it is in America but it is definitely 'a thing' here.

relatablemood · Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:09 pm

The only thing that concerns me about the not knowing how to cook pasta thing is this - did Dan not ever do any clubs like Brownies (or whatever the boy version of it is)? Or food technology in Year 10? I know there's a thing going around that Dan's family didn't have much money growing up, but a lot of these things are free (funded by church or government) and since he went to Sunday club, I definitely remember making tomato pasta there! It's just one of the first things you learn to cook, even as a child, so very suspicious (but funny) indeed

Oh, and I'm not sure where the thing about unhealthy takeaways and it being unusual to have more than one a week. A lot of people I know growing up around London and other places have multiple takeaways - after all, you can get salad from fish and chip shop places nowadays. Takeaway food is good especially when it's not part of a chain (ie McDonalds, Dominos) and doesn't make you lazy! After all, a lot of people order takeaway because they're too busy doing work.

Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:10 pm

sparkle i freaking love that a fellow radioshow viewer has held a grudge so long from a call-in. i don't think he was sassing you too much, though i can see how the sink comment/can't put water on an oil fire would irritate you forever more

bless you.
i miss the dan and phil show

autumnhearth yeah anyone can make one for any video, recent or old, i didn't see one had been made yet so i just popped one up. i dream of every single video in the canon having stamps up somewhere, that would satisfy me so much. people here have already made a great start. i think collectively it could be done if recent fans revisited older videos. (or just took notes when they rewatched them anyways)

blackdenim · Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:15 pm

Haven't a lot of D&P's food mentions been a few years ago? E.g. cooking fajitas or mentioning using packet/jar sauces? That makes sense for two guys in their early/mid 20's, but Phil is 30 now (lest we forget!) and Dan is 26 (wait, is he 26? I've just realised I don't know how old Dan is). I'm sure their diets have cleaned up slightly in the last few years - slightly more fresh food and slightly less sugar/premade jars/takeaways just because... that's what happens when you get older. You become more aware of the need for the stuff you eat to be more nutritious and actively learn how to make sure it is.

Having said that, especially with Deliveroo and Uber Eats, etc. it is actually easy (although expensive) to eat a healthy and balanced diet solely comprising of takeaways in Central London and I hate cooking so I'd be lying to myself if I didn't say I would do that if I was as rich as the boys.

Basically what I'm trying to say is that they probably have healthier diets than we give them credit for, at least some of the time.

I don't think they're living on salads and lean protein and spending a lot of time in the gym (no offence but you just have to look at them to see that's not true), but I have thought for a while that the 'sitting in the dark all day eating sweets and never exercising' thing is part of their #relatable branding - partially because a lot of their audience are teens and that's what a lot of teens like to do, but also maybe partially because it subconsciously sends a message that there's no point hanging out near their house - more relevant when their address/area was widely known in the Phandom than now, but still - because they 'never go out anyway', so you won't see them.

Stakhanov · Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:15 pm

That did sound terrifying Rosannah ( Roseanne?). I hadn't really noticed the cooking books.
Yea i guess the must at least like to cook sometimes then, even though they sip teas at The Shard and enjoy rather expensive restaurants.
I have been brainwashed by all the sugar and baking vids. When food appears in their vids it's almost always sugar. Baking deserts. Buying australian candy. Getting pancakes with room service. Talking about waffle houses and deep pan pizza's. They're good at hiding their healthy eating habits that's for sure.

btw just because this a good moment to bring up this lovingly trashy and domestic video (a sacred gift kept safe by Oqua)

sparkle wrote:PLEASE CAN WE NOT HAVE MOVED ON FROM THE DAN PASTA THING BECAUSE I'VE HAD BEEF WITH DANNY ABOUT THIS FOR LITERAL YEARS.

Skip to 22:51 (ish) to hear Dan talk about how he failed cooking pasta and this is the first time its ever discussed online - he forgot it needed water like an idiot - and THEN skip to 27:53 and ignore how Phil pronounces my name wrong and watch Dans reaction to me doing basically the same thing but worse my beef comes from him sassing me when in reality I had a fucking oil fire and the last thing you do in an oil fire is put water on it and I never got chance to answer him back.

Also, re:Dan and food in general, about two weeks ago somethingsketchy and I spent far too long trying to work out if Dan was trying vegetarianism/veganism again (I'm now convinced that the politics and pizza pizza was a Fiorentina from Pizza Express). I think Dan can cook, and they have an awareness of food but I also think they like food a lot? Look at the restaurants they go to - I doubt they live on shitty food at home. They have an obscene amount of cookery books if they never cook - including things like the Wagamama Cook Book which isn't exactly simple.

edit: also mac and cheese, as a kid I only ever had the canned Heinz stuff which is vile, but now I can make my own and it's one of my favourite foods. I don't think its as popular as it is in America but it is definitely 'a thing' here.

hello9217 · Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:20 pm

Oh I just thought that tweet was subtle shade at Jake Paul since that's what's trending right now. Plus blond=male while blonde=female.

flarequake · Sat Aug 19, 2017 3:14 pm

I don't know that Dan has ever said he was a cub or scout as a kid, possibly not as he's moaned about feeling deprived here and there, and every time I've met someone who wasn't a brownie or guide they tend to joke "I was a deprived child". Some schools don't do food technology. My school got rid of it in favour of woodworking, it had only had one classroom anyway so they turned it into one more for the French department (woodwork got its own new building, later they added textiles and graphic design).

It's common these days to use packet sauces. Not everyone has time to do all the chopping etc to make everything from scratch every day, or they think they don't anyway. Heck, you can buy vegetables pre-chopped these days. I don't know that it just happens as you get older, something would trigger you to think of taking more time to prepare things yourself (for me it's feeling chronically crap, but that's more carb/sugar-related).

confusedpanda · Sat Aug 19, 2017 3:18 pm

hello9217 wrote:Oh I just thought that tweet was subtle shade at Jake Paul since that's what's trending right now. Plus blond=male while blonde=female.

Honestly I thought the same thing too! Can't stand the guy and his behavior/actions. But, Idk. Dan isn't really the type to get involved in YouTube drama, heck he's not really one to really start shade with irl people on twitter. Unless they really made him upset (insert that tweet where he said something about how secrets are for one person at a time or whatever. Later on he said that it was about an irl friend that spilled all this gossip to him about old classmates then asked about what he's doing.)

I gotta agree with blackdenim that it could be about them furthering game play in dream daddy. But I also see captainspacecoat dan is a big Frank Ocean fan and if today marks one year since his albums intitled that, then that's possible too. I'm not Frank Ocean fan though, so I don't get why dan wouldn't trust blonds because of an album, unless it's to do with a song off of it? Finally malday, I'm team feeling like the next dinof video is DNA testing too, idk why though? I think it was how he was describing his next possible video in his last live show? But also I have a hanging thought of it being the dreaded isg making a comeback. I hate to say it but the last isg was five months ago... I'm prepared for the worst but also the best.

While I'm here, I'll say I love love loved the joined live show, so cute and lovely to watch!!

and dream daddy part two was good too. Mostly everything I wanna say about both these things has already been said and said well already!!

starlight-still · Sat Aug 19, 2017 3:26 pm

On their diets, I am with those of you who suspect that they're at least slightly healthier than they let on. At the very least, they go on health kicks every now and then so they are are least aware. I also get the sense that Phil likes to eat, shall we say, high on the hog more often than he'd be willing to tweet/mention in live shows, lest they lose some of their #relatable branding to the fact that they are relatively well-off Londoners who could get away with ordering fine cuisine every night of the week.

I'm glad you posted that video of Daniel cooking, autumnhearth...the way he shows interest in it, like talking about getting quality spices, makes me think that ten years from now, he's more likely to be the one to take the reins of cooking for the household (especially since Phil seems to really appreciate food being lovingly prepared for him). So let 'em be young and lazy for a while, as long as they don't get too carried away.

A side note on mac and cheese: in my family, mac and cheese does *not* come from a box and it certainly does not involve bright orange cheese sauce!

What we make is something more like a gooey casserole: macaroni pasta mixed in a dish with milk and the quality cheddar of your choice, topped with bread crumbs and baked until the top is golden brown and crunchy...and, man, is it tasty. It's definitely more of a holiday treat as rich as it is but it's something that involves using specific and "secret" ingredients and that both kids and adults look forward to at family gatherings. Check out "southern" or "baked" mac and cheese around the interwebs for some examples.

Sat Aug 19, 2017 3:29 pm

flarequake wrote:It's common these days to use packet sauces. Not everyone has time to do all the chopping etc to make everything from scratch every day, or they think they don't anyway. Heck, you can buy vegetables pre-chopped these days. I don't know that it just happens as you get older, something would trigger you to think of taking more time to prepare things yourself (for me it's feeling chronically crap, but that's more carb/sugar-related).

I can definitely say from firsthand experience that your metabolism slowing down as you age is what triggers you to taking more time to think about your food. Dan and Phil have both obviously had fitness and health in mind the past year, they've both mentioned going out and doing active things and Phil made an entire video about his intention to go to the gym. I don't think we're going to hear stories about them eating well or working out unless there's some kind of relatable-fail twist to it; neither of them are the type to just want to casually chat with us about the really great run they had or their quinoa preparation method.

(That said, I'm also someone trying to eat healthier lately and I still definitely rely on packet and jar sauces when it's more time and cost effective than making from scratch. I only have so many hours in the day when I'm not working or sleeping and there are many things I'd rather be doing than standing in my kitchen.)

somethingsketchy · Sat Aug 19, 2017 4:47 pm

sparkle wrote:Also, re:Dan and food in general, about two weeks ago somethingsketchy and I spent far too long trying to work out if Dan was trying vegetarianism/veganism again (I'm now convinced that the politics and pizza pizza was a Fiorentina from Pizza Express).

I feel like it's worth mentioning that my interest in and subsequent dragging of sparkle into this business were sparked by someone here joking about #thatweekinmarch being Dan's failed second attempt at vegan diet. Shoutout to whoever it was.

Now, the photo that was both the start and downfall of our theory of Dan possibly actually attempting to be vegan again was the under-the-fridge photo in Dan's Tinder video (the top right in the photo set under the spoiler tag down below). For some reason, I decided to zoom into the fridge and actually got lucky! The cartons on the lowest shelf seem to be dairy-free milk alternatives. The left one clearly sports the Alpro logo and red stripes that indicate an unsweetened variant. The right one could be anything, but the colour is suspiciously similar to an Oatly oat milk carton.

However, after a few hours of scouring D&P's social media accounts, videos and liveshows for food references and spending an obscene amount of time playing Phandom Pizza FBI with sparkle, I came back to the fridge photo to check what kind of rice cakes Dan is eating in it. They turned out to be Tesco's sour-cream and onion rice cakes, which aren't vegan, so the vegan!Dan theory was dead!

There is nothing to suggest that he couldn't be a vegetarian, though.

(If anyone wants to know what else we found, hmu.)