Dan & Phil Part 80: You're my plinth of life
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Love this topic title @kavat , such an adorable moment which Dan characteristically immediately attempted to counteract with sassy bantz. But we know he meant it really.
Something I noticed while looking at the viewcounts from PINOF 10 on SocialBlade (over 1M this morning yay!), is that not only did AmazingPhil get a modest sub boost (989 since Friday), but Dan's main channel seems to have gone up by 617, which is interesting as he had been in the red for a month (and probably longer as he hasn't been uploading), and the gaming channel actually increased the most with 1017!
Obviously in the grand scheme of things this isn't that many subs, however, that's still a lot of people in 2018 to be motivated enough after watching two lads being random for 10 minutes to subscribe to that channel AND the related channels. Also with the 1k bump on the gaming channel, I wonder how many were casual fans already who just weren't subbed, or what? Like who were these people? How many were just totally new fans who randomly watched this PINOF and were like ok cool! Subscribed! To all their channels! Or were a lot of them more casual fans who, after The Big Vid of the year, decided they should actually sub? Or maybe some were old phandom members who watched it out of nostalgia and then resubbed to their various channels?
Maybe I'm just old, but it seems odd to me that someone might see PINOF 10 and decide to sub? Like sure some moments were really hilarious to me, but how many are funny outside of the context of their history/personalities/personas/video references/running jokes? Maybe I'm underestimating their appeal, and I know a lot of people did originally sub because of past pinofs, so who knows...
Something I noticed while looking at the viewcounts from PINOF 10 on SocialBlade (over 1M this morning yay!), is that not only did AmazingPhil get a modest sub boost (989 since Friday), but Dan's main channel seems to have gone up by 617, which is interesting as he had been in the red for a month (and probably longer as he hasn't been uploading), and the gaming channel actually increased the most with 1017!
Obviously in the grand scheme of things this isn't that many subs, however, that's still a lot of people in 2018 to be motivated enough after watching two lads being random for 10 minutes to subscribe to that channel AND the related channels. Also with the 1k bump on the gaming channel, I wonder how many were casual fans already who just weren't subbed, or what? Like who were these people? How many were just totally new fans who randomly watched this PINOF and were like ok cool! Subscribed! To all their channels! Or were a lot of them more casual fans who, after The Big Vid of the year, decided they should actually sub? Or maybe some were old phandom members who watched it out of nostalgia and then resubbed to their various channels?
Maybe I'm just old, but it seems odd to me that someone might see PINOF 10 and decide to sub? Like sure some moments were really hilarious to me, but how many are funny outside of the context of their history/personalities/personas/video references/running jokes? Maybe I'm underestimating their appeal, and I know a lot of people did originally sub because of past pinofs, so who knows...
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I feel the same way! As an experiment, I asked a friend who had never watched deppy to watch PINOF(1) and PINOF10 back to back and send me her thoughts. Here is her texts to me:BuffyFiona wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:19 pm Maybe I'm just old, but it seems odd to me that someone might see PINOF 10 and decide to sub? Like sure some moments were really hilarious to me, but how many are funny outside of the context of their history/personalities/personas/video references/running jokes?
-"I'm watching the first video. And uh. What am I seeing?" (Me: what do you think you are seeing? Her: "I literally do not know")
-"Ah. End tackle."
-"Eeww the licking why"
- "From those two videos...I don't get their channel"
-"Christ my youtube recommendations will be a billion recommendations of this forever won't it?"
So, yea, it really is hard to understand PINOF10 without context especially given how it pretty much still follows the random editing style of 2008-2010 but with a ton more inside jokes. I have trouble seeing how you would sub based on that.
That being said, I was subbed to Amazingphil in 2009 and subbed to Dan from the original PINOF so clearly that random humor without knowing anything about Dan was fun (fun fact, I recently went back into my youtube comment history and found my comment on the original PINOF. It was "Your twink boyfriend is really cute" OMG seriously, Past!Im_New_Here, you have been a terrible shipper since the beginning.)
I would also venture looking down at the comments, a lot of the comments are "I don't really watch your videos anymore but I always come back for these!" so I suspect some people re-subbed after that.
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Aww it sounds like Dan and Phil are helping Martyn and Cornelia move house. I swear that’s Dan’s “yep” in one of her stories. Please follow suit boys.
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Phil is confusing everyone, since Dan said liveshow today. :/
Oh whoop just as I submitted that:
Oh whoop just as I submitted that:
I don't think they're moving house, in one of her IG stories from Sweden last week she said she was packing up stuff from her parents house and then would have to go home and pack up the kitchen since they're renovating it.autumnhearth wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:02 pm Aww it sounds like Dan and Phil are helping Martyn and Cornelia move house. I swear that’s Dan’s “yep” in one of her stories. Please follow suit boys.
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Ahh I'm sad as I was really hoping for a livestream today Ah well, at this point I was kinda expecting it, so at least I can now go down the shops without fear of missing them. PINOF made me crave more content I guess...
A symbol of love...
Thank you for conducting a case study on your friend for us! Yeah I definitely think that nowadays that kind of thing is much more like "what am I watching?" and less "lolrandom! so relatable and quirky!" and so as fans of them as people and creators we enjoy it, but it's much less likely to attract a new audience since just, the tastes of the day are different, and people are looking for a different kind of content. There are also more expectations of being able to watch a YT video and understand what it's about and who the people are.Im_new_here wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:55 pm So, yea, it really is hard to understand PINOF10 without context especially given how it pretty much still follows the random editing style of 2008-2010 but with a ton more inside jokes. I have trouble seeing how you would sub based on that.
Oh my god!!!! Well that is interesting to note, I always figured most of his initial subs were from that! Cool to know you were one! I feel like if I had seen PINOF back in 2009 when I was a huge teenaged vlogger fangirl, I also would've subbed to Dan, especially if I already liked Phil's humour. But as an adult in 2018, I'd probably be like "well that's nice then... glad they're having fun I guess..." and then move along. However, in context they are quite fun, and I can appreciate the nostalgia in them and the sacred ritual they've become, and I love that they're a testament to the longevity of relationships formed over the internet. Like really they seem more like a symbol than anything else, you know?Im_new_here wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:55 pm That being said, I was subbed to Amazingphil in 2009 and subbed to Dan from the original PINOF so clearly that random humor without knowing anything about Dan was fun (fun fact, I recently went back into my youtube comment history and found my comment on the original PINOF. It was "Your twink boyfriend is really cute" OMG seriously, Past!Im_New_Here, you have been a terrible shipper since the beginning.)
A symbol of love...
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You're being beamed up by aggressive aliens and they're plugging in the anal probe
"Oh, God. Okay. I say: *shrug* [...] I'd be like, 'I don't know how this works. Put a condom on that thing. *shrug*'"
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So the II DVD is out tomorrow, but preorders from dnpshop are SHIPPING tomorrow, so I probably won’t get my copy for another week... hm
I think that was just Martyn’s voicealittledizzy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:37 pmI don't think they're moving house, in one of her IG stories from Sweden last week she said she was packing up stuff from her parents house and then would have to go home and pack up the kitchen since they're renovating it.autumnhearth wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:02 pm Aww it sounds like Dan and Phil are helping Martyn and Cornelia move house. I swear that’s Dan’s “yep” in one of her stories. Please follow suit boys.
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Questions I will never get the answer to: why did Dan include songs that were not even released when ii was happening on the tour playlist? What is he doing?
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Yea, I am the same age as Phil and I was an "adult" when PINOF came out (so I guess I was 22? yea that sounds right omg I am dying and gettingold), with like a house and career and such, but I was still a baby who was into randomness on YT back then, as was the style. Like I was a hardcore nerdfighter in those days, and PINOF was very much a flirty gay version of the random style of Q&A's that Hank did.BuffyFiona wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:58 pm I feel like if I had seen PINOF back in 2009 when I was a huge teenaged vlogger fangirl, I also would've subbed to Dan, especially if I already liked Phil's humour. But as an adult in 2018, I'd probably be like "well that's nice then... glad they're having fun I guess..." and then move along.
Also, back then there weren't many queer *out* big youtubers. There was Tyler Oakley...and... umm... I can't really think of any one else that was out yet (Shane Dawson was not out yet even to himself at all, My Drunk Kitchen wasn't making videos yet, no male beauty vloggers I can think of, etc...) So many many of us just subbed based on fit possibly queer youtubers based on PINOF chemistry alone (also if you want to see the original comments on the video in a disorganized way and be a creepster you can go to Hadzy analytics and sort by date) but warning there's a lot of phil saying he's not gay in the comments (although also not saying he's straight) and a lot of people just being like "oh you two are so sexy"...
Sorry I don't want to derail from the phandom survey analysis because HOLY HECK is that good data fun.
The playlist kept getting updated throughout the tour. They added new songs, and the playlist is the one they ended up playing in Brazil.glitterintheair wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:55 pm Questions I will never get the answer to: why did Dan include songs that were not even released when ii was happening on the tour playlist? What is he doing?
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Kind of like people who go to church for Christmas and Easter.Im_new_here wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:55 pm
I would also venture looking down at the comments, a lot of the comments are "I don't really watch your videos anymore but I always come back for these!" so I suspect some people re-subbed after that.
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Some of Dan's twitter replies earlier were so great.
and man, pulling no punches on this one:
It totally reminds me of when he wanted to complain about the sound guy during dapgoose, and Phil wouldn't let him name and shame.
and man, pulling no punches on this one:
It totally reminds me of when he wanted to complain about the sound guy during dapgoose, and Phil wouldn't let him name and shame.
I’m loving the data analysis @itasca00!
It makes sense to me that the phandom feels older than the overall measure, as I spend most of my fandom time on IDB where the age range doesn’t reflect the same curve as the phandom generally.
I’m guessing in 2015 ‘prefer not to label’ wasn’t an option on the survey?
I had my mom watch pinof 10 with me when she visited because I love it so much. She could see why I found them funny despite not getting the references. She seemed more amused by the first half than the second,
I imagine there are lots of people who watch Dan and Phil occasionally but just hadn’t subscribed until after pinof (or any other popular video like the mukbang). I do that with other channels: watch them sometimes if they pop up, but only subscribe after some video I really like comes out and I realize I don’t want to miss anything.
It makes sense to me that the phandom feels older than the overall measure, as I spend most of my fandom time on IDB where the age range doesn’t reflect the same curve as the phandom generally.
I’m guessing in 2015 ‘prefer not to label’ wasn’t an option on the survey?
I had my mom watch pinof 10 with me when she visited because I love it so much. She could see why I found them funny despite not getting the references. She seemed more amused by the first half than the second,
I imagine there are lots of people who watch Dan and Phil occasionally but just hadn’t subscribed until after pinof (or any other popular video like the mukbang). I do that with other channels: watch them sometimes if they pop up, but only subscribe after some video I really like comes out and I realize I don’t want to miss anything.
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all the data analysis from the survey is so SO interesting!
thank you for sharing and making these!
I was having a lot of fun studying these graphics
thank you for sharing and making these!
I was having a lot of fun studying these graphics
This is entirely unrelated to everything that’s been discussed today but there is one single thing about PINOF10 I don’t like
And it’s when Dan says “David Attenborough is quaking in his grave”
Granddaddy Nature is not dead, Daniel, he’s an immortal being!!
(But seriously it makes me shiver with discomfort a little because he is hella old)
And it’s when Dan says “David Attenborough is quaking in his grave”
Granddaddy Nature is not dead, Daniel, he’s an immortal being!!
(But seriously it makes me shiver with discomfort a little because he is hella old)
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It's the 10th but the II dvd set is still set to "pre-order now" on the merch store - and you can't add any other items when you pre-order it. Hello Phil, I would like to give you money, please let me order the dvd and a sweater in one order.
Or am I too stupid to use the store?
Or am I too stupid to use the store?
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Lol, I really thought I was Mandela effecting on this one, but I'm glad to hear it was actually Dan who was misremembering things. I was like "I can't remember David Attenborough dying, but since Dan said so, it must be true".Puffy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:24 am This is entirely unrelated to everything that’s been discussed today but there is one single thing about PINOF10 I don’t like
And it’s when Dan says “David Attenborough is quaking in his grave”
Granddaddy Nature is not dead, Daniel, he’s an immortal being!!
(But seriously it makes me shiver with discomfort a little because he is hella old)
I'm excited to start my morning now by listening to the II playlist! I'm still pretty sure they played songs that aren't on the list when I first saw the show in May. Not that I'm missing Swish Swish or Look What You Made Me Do...
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They were on the interval list! I'm glad they left them out, because it's actually a really good list otherwise! My taste in music overlaps a lot with Dan's so I'll probably listen to this quite a bit.somethingsketchy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:03 am
I'm excited to start my morning now by listening to the II playlist! I'm still pretty sure they played songs that aren't on the list when I first saw the show in May. Not that I'm missing Swish Swish or Look What You Made Me Do...
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Hadzy is an interesting site, I looked up Pinof 1 and it’s funny to see the reactions to the randomness and to Dan. Even Gary C is there. Can’t see which ones Phil’s replying to, but he answers a few.
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Happy II release day, let’s hope they talk about it in the live show and then maybe apologise for the fact that people (like me) who have ordered it from their official shop haven’t even had a dispatch email yet! Not that I’m bitter about it (not much).
oh yeah that part! it was like last year's when dan said the same thing, except this year he was more blunt in tone and seemed like a wink-wink-nudge question.
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Whenever I've pre-ordered CD's they've always dispatched like 2 days after official release. Shipping from the UK also somehow takes longer to arrive to Sweden than when I order from the US. It's annoying as hell.