dblyw wrote: Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:09 pm
Hi everyone! I’ve been a long-time lurker, but just saw something I couldn’t not share. I follow a couple of threads on GG and since the site has been barely functioning, people have been migrating to a discord group. I was reading about the drama with Shane, when someone added this post:
“Semi related to Shane but for those of u that were talking abt Dan and Phil Dan probably hasn't disappeared - another British youtuber who is in similar circles (philosophy tube) mentioned in one livestream that he went for drinks before corona with a youtuber who's now working on something for netflix, and then in another livestream someone asked if he knows dan and he said he went for drinks with him before corona (i thinj he was specific w both, I think they were both around November/ December), so Dan might get the last laugh with the old old Shane feud and be the youtuber Who actually makes it to netflix lmao“
I have a screenshot but don’t know how to post it. I don’t know if it has any merit, but... intriguing.
Definitely intriguing if true and comes to fruition!
I am all here for Dan working on something with Netflix, hell yeah. God wouldn't that be fucking amazing? I mean, I don't even know what he'd be doing, I just know my pride is ready and waiting to spill over into whatever he does next.
Oh yeah I watched the recent-ish stream where Olly mentioned having had drinks with Dan at some point before corona and I too did immediately remember that he’d told a very similar story about having drinks with an unnamed ‘much larger’ youtuber in an earlier live, I had meant to dig it up but hadn’t got around to it because I wasn’t sure which stream the first mention was in and they’re long. Maybe I should’ve bothered because I definitely didn’t recall anything as interesting as Netflix being mentioned in relation to that convo but whoops
Anyway yay for a surprise Phil gay video! I’m so happy for him. Him and Dan both using the same expression of simply finally being able to exist as a human is just I loved the little anecdotes he told, it’s interesting how they relate to things we had heard before but expand on those experiences (the shop) or are more truthful versions of them (Big Brother). The ~dramatic storytelling of recounting his crush on Kyle was beautiful, even if the ultimate result was a Betrayal. Also this: ‘you are valid, and there is love for you, and it will get better’. Something about Phil genuinely talking about love and being convinced and reassuring that it exists out there feels like a lot to me. He’s just so nice and lovely.
alittledizzy wrote: Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:36 pm
I am all here for Dan working on something with Netflix, hell yeah. God wouldn't that be fucking amazing? I mean, I don't even know what he'd be doing, I just know my pride is ready and waiting to spill over into whatever he does next.
One thing that came to mind for me was something like the Hannah Gadsby special Nanette. Stand-up with humor, but also grounded in pain/experience/social commentary. That would be very much in Dan’s wheelhouse! But I’m excited for literally anything
I could see Dan doing a show like Bo Burnham’s on Netflix. I actually prefer Dan without a live audience, but if that’s the only content on offer, I’ll take it! I’m really hoping for a book. Maybe a comedy Netflix special and companion book like Mike Birbiglia did.
A comedy special would be fun, but most I've seen have been tapings of stand up gigs, something he doesn't really do. More plausible to me is something more like Supergamers, a documentary style thing. Maybe about queer lives or something else he's passionate about. I would love that!
kavat wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:22 am
A comedy special would be fun, but most I've seen have been tapings of stand up gigs, something he doesn't really do. More plausible to me is something more like Supergamers, a documentary style thing. Maybe about queer lives or something else he's passionate about. I would love that!
God tier Dan content: a documentary style look at what spending your formative teen-to-adult years in the public eye can do to a closeted person, talking with professionals and other people with a similar journey interspersed with his own experiences.
I was thinking about something like that, recently; I wondered if such a thing might include covering his step back from social media this year, but that might just be me desperately trying to give deeper meaning to it when it maybe ain't that deep, heh. It'd follow on nicely from the description of BIG, though, that he wanted to talk more about lots of the topics in it when the time/place was right.
@alittledizzy, how did you find the YouTube comments that Phil liked on that video? I am often interested in seeing that, but the only way I know how is by scrolling and hoping to see them -- is there an easier way?
Yeah no matter how interesting a documentary from Dan could be im still pissed at him disappearing from the internet without ever saying it, so.. who knows. Not us for sure.
(Why yes it's been a year and a half and I'm still bitter about it, it just got worse after seeing other YouTubers who have even bigger audiences openly say they're taking breaks like its no big deal bc it isn't )
Will probably never be over the BONCAS and the beauty of Phil Lester.
liola wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:53 pm
Yeah no matter how interesting a documentary from Dan could be im still pissed at him disappearing from the internet without ever saying it, so.. who knows. Not us for sure.
(Why yes it's been a year and a half and I'm still bitter about it, it just got worse after seeing other YouTubers who have even bigger audiences openly say they're taking breaks like its no big deal bc it isn't )
I am also a bit pissed at Dan to be honest :/ I’m not going to lie, I really needed someone during this lockdown and it annoys me that people who are fortunate enough to get free things, work from home and earn loads of money are the ones taking breaks, they are in a very fortunate position to be honest. The least dan could do is just tell us that he has left youtube or taking a break (although let’s be real, after a year). Whatever Dan is doing there is no reason he couldn’t keep communication with the people who supports him.
Megancita75 wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:41 pm@alittledizzy, how did you find the YouTube comments that Phil liked on that video? I am often interested in seeing that, but the only way I know how is by scrolling and hoping to see them -- is there an easier way?
Hrm, for me they usually show up at the top - I don't know that I actually did anything to make that happen though, maybe someone else can shed more light on that?
The only reason I still watch his old content now is because I’m bored and don’t have a job anymore :/ but when I do, I’m sorry but I’m done with Dan. I will still watch Phil because at least he has the decency to communicate with us and keep us informed.
I get dan doesn’t want to ruin whatever it is he is doing and is worried it might not work out, but at this point If I was in his shoes I would be worried I would lose my subscribers.
Sometimes I'm just truly baffled at the companies that reply to Phil. While this one isn't quite on the level of Faberge, it's still just - what? Sunday Riley is an upscale skincare brand.
alittledizzy wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:13 pm
Sometimes I'm just truly baffled at the companies that reply to Phil. While this one isn't quite on the level of Faberge, it's still just - what? Sunday Riley is an upscale skincare brand.
I've been saying it for years now, Phil needs to dive into the beauty community and give these gurus a run for their money, he'd get sponsorships left and right.
My secret wish of him doing a drama channel like video will never happen and I accept it, but I have dreams..
Will probably never be over the BONCAS and the beauty of Phil Lester.
I doubt Dan is worried about losing subscribers - not just because he can afford to, but he’s probably aware that there are a lot of people that will support him whatever he does, however long he’s gone or however silent he is. Which must be a comfort, but it also doesn’t motivate him to do anything about it lol.
Like liola, I was kind of ‘meh, whatever’ about it for a while, but I got cross again after I saw jacksepticeye’s video this week. Basically, for those who haven’t seen it, he made a quick, 10-min video saying he was feeling a little burnt out on YouTube at the moment, and why that was, and that he planned to take a month off entirely (he usually posts daily videos) and then he’d see how he felt after that; it might end up being longer. He touched on the types of things he might work on in the meantime - writing, personal stuff like DIY, hobbies, his business, etc - but he wasn’t specific. And he also touched on the fact that he knew his community would support him in taking an extended break, because he knew they cared about him and his mental health over churning out content. (Which is true; the replies to his ‘I’m taking a break’ tweet were very wholesome.)
And it just reminded me - that’s all I really wanted to hear from Dan, just a ‘bye for now’, you know? I don’t need daily or weekly updates, or specifics of what he’s working on, or even that he’s working on anything, but just a quick little ‘I’ve decided to take a break from social media/YouTube because it’s stressful, I’m working on some things, see you around’ would have been better than nothing, with maybe an occasional ‘I’m still alive’ check-in. JSE is by no means perfect, but his video really spoke to the mutual respect between him and his community, and I think that’s what’s been bothering me lately - that it feels like Dan doesn’t have much respect for us any more. He just assumes we’ll sit waiting and twiddling our thumbs for as long as it takes - and the maddening thing is, coming back to what I was saying earlier, he’s right.
But - perhaps more importantly - I want to know that he understands that it’s *him* we care about and miss, not his content (much as I love it)? Like when someone said ‘we miss you’ on twitter recently, he replied saying thanks for waiting while I prepare my next content, essentially. I know we’ve talked to death about peoples’ theories about how he wants his content to be the draw, not him as a person, but he’s an entertainer, a personality - that’s just - not ever gonna happen. Not any time soon, anyway.
Oh well. I’ve been thinking about the idea mentioned earlier a lot - we’re getting to a point now where we’re seeing a lot of YouTubers starting to take more and longer breaks or even leave, and a lot of them have been doing YT for a long time now, and it’s changed *so* much since the early days. And who better to examine the effect of that on mental health, growing up/living internet-famous etc than Dan? One of the biggest earlier creators who didn’t either drop out before his time (…well. Kinda) or get mired in controversy? And obviously if he wanted to also include what it was also like being closeted as well then great, but that might get a bit too personal depending on how much he wants to talk about it all/his own experiences. With his humour and contacts etc, it could be *so* great. If that isn’t what he’s doing now, I hope he does *something* along those lines one day.
I watched the JSE video too and I’m not a subscriber. I really respect all the Youtubers who have said goodbye for a while or forever in a final video. Ingrid, Jenna. I guess deppy did say it for the gaming channel, but I wish Dan would have said something after BIG bc I thought he was back, and he did do Vidcon, but then I feel like he should have said something. If he did a goodbye video now though, I doubt I’d like that. I guess I like that bit of hope I have that he’ll come back.
I went through all the stages of grief when it comes to Dan; at first I was angry, then I got sad and now I am just... resigned. However, all those previous feelings always come back when I saw people like Jenna or Jacksepticeye communicate with their audience and I am like “man, why couldn’t Dan do the same?” and I still have no actual answer for that, which is frustrating. He didn’t even need to make a video to address his hiatus, he could’ve just typed out a tweet like Sean did - that’s what a lot of us have wanted all along anyway. I don’t know, there’s so much talk about Dan caring about his fanbase - and I am not saying he doesn’t - but he has a weird way of showing it.
And before anyone says it, yes he said that he’s working on something but he’s been saying that for months. That’s all he’s saying. No clue whether it’s something related to YouTube or not - and if not, does that mean he’s done with being a youtuber? We don’t know. And is being absent from social media a permanent thing or will he come back? We don’t know. And mind you, these are questions that people have asked for a year now.
I'm a winter flower underground, always thirsty for summer rain.
glitterintheair wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:50 am
I went through all the stages of grief when it comes to Dan; at first I was angry, then I got sad and now I am just... resigned. However, all those previous feelings always come back when I saw people like Jenna or Jacksepticeye communicate with their audience and I am like “man, why couldn’t Dan do the same?” and I still have no actual answer for that, which is frustrating. He didn’t even need to make a video to address his hiatus, he could’ve just typed out a tweet like Sean did - that’s what a lot of us have wanted all along anyway. I don’t know, there’s so much talk about Dan caring about his fanbase - and I am not saying he doesn’t - but he has a weird way of showing it.
And before anyone says it, yes he said that he’s working on something but he’s been saying that for months. That’s all he’s saying. No clue whether it’s something related to YouTube or not - and if not, does that mean he’s done with being a youtuber? We don’t know. And is being absent from social media a permanent thing or will he come back? We don’t know. And mind you, these are questions that people have asked for a year now.
My gut feeling is honestly just that Dan can't give a solid goodbye because Dan's playing it by ear, too.
I was thinking the other day about how many years it took him to come out; how long he hinted at a 'June video' and how it was a solid year and a half later before he managed to get it made and posted. I think these are the commitment issues he's talking about, you know? Think about the mukbang and how he kept saying he just had no idea what he was doing. He stressed that. Ending his youtube channel is a huge commitment. It's why I believe that he meant it when he said it wasn't a 'Dan and Phil apocalypse' and that he meant it when he called the gaming channel break a hiatus. I think he didn't set out with a plan and that it's kind of hard to update people on a plan that you don't have.
I also think he still doesn't have a plan, beyond what he's currently working on, and not knowing if he may want to go back to youtube or not may be the reason that he's just... updating us as he goes. Like how he checks in every month or two to say hi, still here, thanks for waiting.
But it wouldn't need to be a solid goodbye? No one is saying that. It could've even been a simple "need a break, maybe I'm done maybe not who knows!" Instead he just.. didn't. He stopped and then we all just assumed and only addressed it briefly months after in the tumblr post and that was it. But even if he never addressed it.. still doesn't explain why oh why he had to stop engaging with his audience, his fans that he pried himself to care for, to understand, to have some kind of relationship with for years. Hell Zoella stopped posting on YouTube even before Dan did but she addressed it and started talking to fans on instagram, and granted she now uses it as a full platform but even 1/100 of that would still be more than what we've had in more than a year.
So idk. It's just sad cause tbh I stopped caring what he does or what he might think, and I know that if he wasn't related to Phil in some ways I probably would've stopped caring altogether, and that's just how it is really. It just makes me sad.
Also, to answer a question above: no, to me Dan isn't a YouTuber anymore (he didn't even want to be considered one anyway). I know it's a debate for more but to me if you don't do something consistently/you stop doing something (unless of course you can't for a variety of reasons).. Well you're not in that profession anymore
Will probably never be over the BONCAS and the beauty of Phil Lester.
What I don't get is if he has left youtube, why is he doing stuff like the youtube NHS livestream. He also did the mermaids livestream and don't hold me to this but wasn't he described as the 'king of youtube'? as I remember they also referred to Lorraine Kelly as the 'queen of daytime television'. He can't have it both ways, he can't be referred to as an influencer when he isn't doing anything.
I loved the little anecdotes he told, it’s interesting how they relate to things we had heard before but expand on those experiences (the shop) or are more truthful versions of them (Big Brother). The ~dramatic storytelling of recounting his crush on Kyle was beautiful, even if the ultimate result was a Betrayal. Also this: ‘you are valid, and there is love for you, and it will get better’. Something about Phil genuinely talking about love and being convinced and reassuring that it exists out there feels like a lot to me. He’s just so nice and lovely.
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