Wow, that's quite a weekend being almost-outed in Big Brother auditions and pranked by someone who recognized him in quick succession... Poor guy. Doesn't leave a ton of time for him to have had a boyfriend (or hookups that got his parents figuring it out) pre-Dan but I am already predisposed to think that.alittledizzy wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 12:55 pm He mentions a night out where he got recognized as the guy from the commercial in the same early 2009 video where he "predicts" Dan and also talks about trying out for big brother... so unless that happened to him twice that story would have been February 2009. Poor Phil seems like he really didn't have that wild university experience that a lot of people thought maybe he did! But at least we know he got the happy ending later that year.
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I’ve always thought Dan was Phil’s first boyfriend, tbh.
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To me there was no doubt that dan was probably many of Phils firsts. I have never been one to think Phil was a “player” or had a string of relationships. Which would be perfectly fine if he did I don’t think there’s any Shame in finding who you are and exploring. I think it’s actually normal or common is probably a better word to use, but Phil having his first relationship and maybe other things at 22 makes sense as a fellow queer person. With Phils timeline of his family finding out or assuming he was gay, I don’t see Phil bringing home guys for hookups in the time he moved back with his parents which was what? A month or 2 (which I’ve seen others assume) none of this really matters either way but I guess watching the past two videos it’s done nothing but confirm these things for me. Now this is where Phil uploads his next video talking about uni hookups or past relationships haha. And you know what Phil bring it if that’s your experience. I’m loving these open and personal videos. Would not expect these from Phil a year ago but here we are and I’m loving them. I would love for Phil to go over his reading my past emails video, I would like to know if Phil genuinely thought he had feelings for these girls, even though he knew he was gay. Was it he him wanting to fit in? I know from experience that can be confusing. Anyway I’m loving all these videos and I’m excited for more. Phil bring back liveshowsTempleofshame wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 2:38 pmWow, that's quite a weekend being almost-outed in Big Brother auditions and pranked by someone who recognized him in quick succession... Poor guy. Doesn't leave a ton of time for him to have had a boyfriend (or hookups that got his parents figuring it out) pre-Dan but I am already predisposed to think that.alittledizzy wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 12:55 pm He mentions a night out where he got recognized as the guy from the commercial in the same early 2009 video where he "predicts" Dan and also talks about trying out for big brother... so unless that happened to him twice that story would have been February 2009. Poor Phil seems like he really didn't have that wild university experience that a lot of people thought maybe he did! But at least we know he got the happy ending later that year.
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(Just to clarify, I think it is clear that Dan was Phil's first boyfriend and I've often thought about how he hasn't actually had a breakup but I do think there are still gonna be people who disagree because it isn't impossible for what Phil's told us to be true and for him to also have dated briefly or hooked up with guys in the pre-Dan times. It's just highly unlikely given timelines and degrees of online flirtation.)
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This will always be just headcanon of course, unless Phil spills some more tea, but I will always have a soft spot in my heart for the idea of Phil having had a fun experimental phase. On the other hand, as someone who didn’t kiss anyone until I was 25 - not counting spin the bottle type games - I also would love it if no experience until age 22 was his story because that would normalize the idea that romance and sex don’t always happen on a Hollywood timeline.
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Just leaving this M & G vid from 2 years ago here bc there’s some excellent content of Dan and Phil wearing shorts. Enjoy!
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This popped up in my recommendeds and I ignored it at first, because I assumed it’d be dunking on D&P and/or dunking on the phandom, as so many videos do. But it’s actually a pretty good video - it isn’t really *for* the phandom, because we follow everything so closely we’re already up to date, it’s more for people who used to watch them and probably think, ‘oh yeah, I used to love them, what happened to them?’ Also some interesting points not only on the fact that their output/content changed but that so has YouTube/the internet in general, and it's true that some people who were young fans in 2015 or whenever might have grown up and rejected the things they loved as teens as 'cringy' as so many people do. I won’t paraphrase the whole video but it was an interesting snapshot about their YouTube careers in general, and that their 'decline' was also kinda something they chose.
Some phannies in the comments have brought OP completely up to date, lol. Quite a lot of interesting comments from people who joined the phandom in 2019 or even this year, too.
Also loved this gem from the comments section:

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^^ Wow that comment is so cute <333. And agreed with everybody it was interesting to read the comments under that video!! I know deppers and pippers aren't perfect but they've brought so much joy to so many people.
Ok I had a q: does anybody remember a joint liveshow from ii where they talk about being stopped at the canadian border? Dan was talking about how their tour bus just had board games in it uwu and the border patrol guy commented on how non-druggy it was hahah. Just looking for that wholesome clip so please lmk!
Ok I had a q: does anybody remember a joint liveshow from ii where they talk about being stopped at the canadian border? Dan was talking about how their tour bus just had board games in it uwu and the border patrol guy commented on how non-druggy it was hahah. Just looking for that wholesome clip so please lmk!
Here ya go! The border control bit starts around 4:20yoinks wrote: Sun Jul 12, 2020 6:32 pm ^^ Wow that comment is so cute <333. And agreed with everybody it was interesting to read the comments under that video!! I know deppers and pippers aren't perfect but they've brought so much joy to so many people.
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Ok I had a q: does anybody remember a joint liveshow from ii where they talk about being stopped at the canadian border? Dan was talking about how their tour bus just had board games in it uwu and the border patrol guy commented on how non-druggy it was hahah. Just looking for that wholesome clip so please lmk!
the way i'd gladly lose another night of sleep during a heatwave in order to upload one of these beasts... 2018 me had no idea.
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This liveshow, around 4:37:yoinks wrote: Sun Jul 12, 2020 6:32 pm
Ok I had a q: does anybody remember a joint liveshow from ii where they talk about being stopped at the canadian border? Dan was talking about how their tour bus just had board games in it uwu and the border patrol guy commented on how non-druggy it was hahah. Just looking for that wholesome clip so please lmk!
Commentary/timestamps here.
Most liveshow timestamps on IDB here!
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Aw I carried on watching that livestream for a bit - I love Chameleon! They never did play it on dapg
And Dan ugly-cried to saving mr banks - that's one for me to avoid unless alone then
And Dan going googly-eyed at Chan 
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Speaking of the comment section of that YouTube video and the happiness dip n pip have brought people, I wanted to hop out of lurking because I guess I wanted to share something that I experienced a few nights ago.
I was having a night of really horrible anxiety; it was 3am and I couldn’t get to sleep because all the terrible voices in my head were way too loud and it was just super stressful and overwhelming. I don’t usually pick my phone up when I’m trying to sleep but I needed a distraction, so I grabbed my phone. It was Friday, so Phil had just posted his video of awkward tales from the closet -
(which, side note, I enjoyed so much. I’m so happy he’s able to and comfortable with making content like this especially when he’s directing it so specifically to a gay audience)
(do you ever feel like maybe at this point, phil (and dan when he’s not in hiding) sort of see their queer audience as the “default”, so to speak - they assume most of us watching are queer? because i get that feeling so often and it’s SO refreshing because that’s really not something I’ve ever experienced, especially not in something that used to not feel as inclusive in the same way back in the early years. It makes me feel really warm and loved. the way they were both able to grow with their audience in a way that’s led phil to be able to make such specifically gay content is honestly incredible to see when you take a step back and look at it. i’m so proud of the lad and so proud of phandom and how queer it is. anyway, I digress.)
so phil was fresh on my mind and I came to IDB to see what people had said and saw the discussion over people’s favourite gaming series. long story short, I put the first pokemon go video on and I swear to god, I fell asleep before the (18 minute long) video ended. It immediately made me feel so comforted and safe that I just fell asleep.
I’m 30 years old and I’ve had dnp in my life for about 6 or 7 years now, but I honestly didn’t think after all this time that they could still be that for me - that huge source of comfort when I needed it. between dnp and idb reminding me of their gaming content (something i haven’t watched in about a year) i managed to find something so calming and soothing again.
I woke up once more in the night and immediately put on the second pokemon go episode and I fell straight to sleep again. I think I’ve seen all of their videos so many times and always had such wonderful experiences watching them that when I pressed play, instead of hearing my own voice tell me all the ways I’m a terrible human being or whatever was happening that night, I could just think about nice dan and phil things and that finally, finally allowed me to get some sleep.
This is a super random thing to contribute, I know, but I reflected on it the next day and it made me so happy to realise. Regardless of what’s happening with them both in 2020, I think I realised that I will always have the videos they’ve made as a source of safety and comfort and that’s so insanely valuable to me, even now that I’m a full grown adult person.
and also to thank you guys for serendipitously having that convo recently. you all accidentally helped me hugely in my time of need. so, thank you

I was having a night of really horrible anxiety; it was 3am and I couldn’t get to sleep because all the terrible voices in my head were way too loud and it was just super stressful and overwhelming. I don’t usually pick my phone up when I’m trying to sleep but I needed a distraction, so I grabbed my phone. It was Friday, so Phil had just posted his video of awkward tales from the closet -
(which, side note, I enjoyed so much. I’m so happy he’s able to and comfortable with making content like this especially when he’s directing it so specifically to a gay audience)
(do you ever feel like maybe at this point, phil (and dan when he’s not in hiding) sort of see their queer audience as the “default”, so to speak - they assume most of us watching are queer? because i get that feeling so often and it’s SO refreshing because that’s really not something I’ve ever experienced, especially not in something that used to not feel as inclusive in the same way back in the early years. It makes me feel really warm and loved. the way they were both able to grow with their audience in a way that’s led phil to be able to make such specifically gay content is honestly incredible to see when you take a step back and look at it. i’m so proud of the lad and so proud of phandom and how queer it is. anyway, I digress.)
so phil was fresh on my mind and I came to IDB to see what people had said and saw the discussion over people’s favourite gaming series. long story short, I put the first pokemon go video on and I swear to god, I fell asleep before the (18 minute long) video ended. It immediately made me feel so comforted and safe that I just fell asleep.
I’m 30 years old and I’ve had dnp in my life for about 6 or 7 years now, but I honestly didn’t think after all this time that they could still be that for me - that huge source of comfort when I needed it. between dnp and idb reminding me of their gaming content (something i haven’t watched in about a year) i managed to find something so calming and soothing again.
I woke up once more in the night and immediately put on the second pokemon go episode and I fell straight to sleep again. I think I’ve seen all of their videos so many times and always had such wonderful experiences watching them that when I pressed play, instead of hearing my own voice tell me all the ways I’m a terrible human being or whatever was happening that night, I could just think about nice dan and phil things and that finally, finally allowed me to get some sleep.
This is a super random thing to contribute, I know, but I reflected on it the next day and it made me so happy to realise. Regardless of what’s happening with them both in 2020, I think I realised that I will always have the videos they’ve made as a source of safety and comfort and that’s so insanely valuable to me, even now that I’m a full grown adult person.
and also to thank you guys for serendipitously having that convo recently. you all accidentally helped me hugely in my time of need. so, thank you
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onemoresock wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:43 am Speaking of the comment section of that YouTube video and the happiness dip n pip have brought people, I wanted to hop out of lurking because I guess I wanted to share something that I experienced a few nights ago.
I was having a night of really horrible anxiety; it was 3am and I couldn’t get to sleep because all the terrible voices in my head were way too loud and it was just super stressful and overwhelming. I don’t usually pick my phone up when I’m trying to sleep but I needed a distraction, so I grabbed my phone. It was Friday, so Phil had just posted his video of awkward tales from the closet -
(which, side note, I enjoyed so much. I’m so happy he’s able to and comfortable with making content like this especially when he’s directing it so specifically to a gay audience)
(do you ever feel like maybe at this point, phil (and dan when he’s not in hiding) sort of see their queer audience as the “default”, so to speak - they assume most of us watching are queer? because i get that feeling so often and it’s SO refreshing because that’s really not something I’ve ever experienced, especially not in something that used to not feel as inclusive in the same way back in the early years. It makes me feel really warm and loved. the way they were both able to grow with their audience in a way that’s led phil to be able to make such specifically gay content is honestly incredible to see when you take a step back and look at it. i’m so proud of the lad and so proud of phandom and how queer it is. anyway, I digress.)
so phil was fresh on my mind and I came to IDB to see what people had said and saw the discussion over people’s favourite gaming series. long story short, I put the first pokemon go video on and I swear to god, I fell asleep before the (18 minute long) video ended. It immediately made me feel so comforted and safe that I just fell asleep.
I’m 30 years old and I’ve had dnp in my life for about 6 or 7 years now, but I honestly didn’t think after all this time that they could still be that for me - that huge source of comfort when I needed it. between dnp and idb reminding me of their gaming content (something i haven’t watched in about a year) i managed to find something so calming and soothing again.
I woke up once more in the night and immediately put on the second pokemon go episode and I fell straight to sleep again. I think I’ve seen all of their videos so many times and always had such wonderful experiences watching them that when I pressed play, instead of hearing my own voice tell me all the ways I’m a terrible human being or whatever was happening that night, I could just think about nice dan and phil things and that finally, finally allowed me to get some sleep.
This is a super random thing to contribute, I know, but I reflected on it the next day and it made me so happy to realise. Regardless of what’s happening with them both in 2020, I think I realised that I will always have the videos they’ve made as a source of safety and comfort and that’s so insanely valuable to me, even now that I’m a full grown adult person.
and also to thank you guys for serendipitously having that convo recently. you all accidentally helped me hugely in my time of need. so, thank you![]()
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In regards to Phils latest video, I am so proud of him, and I am glad that he is aware how much more confident he is in his videos, it is like he has truly blossomed and it is lovely to see and it is nice to know there are still some genuinely nice people on youtube.
It has now been a month since Dan last tweeted :/ I really hope he didn't see the drama of people trying to cancel him and decided not to tweet because of that, I miss him so much.
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Why you gotta be so negative, Dan? It's a bit annoying tbh. (And of course I just grumble to myself that it's easy for him to say, when he has his main "bitch" right there.)
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I love joint content
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You calling Phil Dan's main bitch is now my favorite thing about today.lefthandedism wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:59 pmWhy you gotta be so negative, Dan? It's a bit annoying tbh. (And of course I just grumble to myself that it's easy for him to say, when he has his main "bitch" right there.)
But also this is intriguing:
I wonder if it's related to workish things...
And in another reply he sort of lowkey seemed to also insinuate that he might should just use instagram stories even though he doesn't go anywhere or do anything? Not holding my breath though.
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I'm sorry, but your response to his tweet just made me laugh so hard.
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Huh, I don't know how to interpret that tweet at all, so I'm not gonna try. All I can hope is that Dan's family knows hows to interpret it.
Don't worry. Dan's grandma is surely giving him a talking-to on the phone right now.Megancita75 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:16 pm Huh, I don't know how to interpret that tweet at all, so I'm not gonna try. All I can hope is that Dan's family knows hows to interpret it.



