wow, dan.pearshaped34 wrote:I think he said Glory was the best villain, Buffy was his favourite character and he was team Spike but I'm not 100% sure where. I think it may have been in a liveshow with Dan actually because then I think Dan claimed to be team Riley.
Oh, thanks! I may have seen that one, too, but forgot. Andrew. Interesting.cherry wrote:He's mentioned a favorite character in this ask.
I remember him saying Spike too... He also mentioned Buffy being on Netflix early this year in an LS... Got me to rewatch it all...pearshaped34 wrote:I think he said Glory was the best villain, Buffy was his favourite character and he was team Spike but I'm not 100% sure where. I think it may have been in a liveshow with Dan actually because then I think Dan claimed to be team Riley.phamnotof wrote: I've got nothing. I know he thinks SGM is hot, that he watched it as a kid, that he has the box-sets and thinks Angel was less good (which, yeah, to put it mildly) - but I have no idea what he thinks of it otherwise. So what I'm wondering is if he ever shared anything. Favorite episodes, characters, moments, most hated characters (RILEY, ANGEL, RILEY, ANGEL, RILEY, ANGEL - so many to choose from
^ I remember the same replies from them. and tbh I was disappointed at Phil's 'team Spike' reply. (I mean my room used to be plastered with SMG posters as teenager as well and I used to think that Spike was kinda cool. (we shared crush on Buffy, so...) But after I got older I realized that was 100 ways f-ed up and heaps of problematic and thinking that he still stans that character...pearshaped34 wrote:I think he said Glory was the best villain, Buffy was his favourite character and he was team Spike but I'm not 100% sure where. I think it may have been in a liveshow with Dan actually because then I think Dan claimed to be team Riley.phamnotof wrote: I've got nothing. I know he thinks SGM is hot, that he watched it as a kid, that he has the box-sets and thinks Angel was less good (which, yeah, to put it mildly
not that creep Angel was any better, and I don't remember much of Riley tbh)Riley was a bore. That's probably why you don't remember him. He was just such a meh character. But like, both Angel and Spike were fucked up, and the relationships had fucked up dynamics, but being team one or the other (and I'm defending myself as much as Phil here) does not mean approving of that fucked-up-ness. And with Spike and Buffy, the relationship being fucked up was very much the point up until very late in the show. But it can be about digging the story, digging what they brought to the table, or ackowledging the messy bits while loving them anyway. Which I love about Buffy overall, it doens't try to create idealized versions of anything, it's just a hella good story, at its core about very humanly flawed... individualsawkwardly wrote:^ I remember the same replies from them. and tbh I was disappointed at Phil's 'team Spike' reply. (I mean my room used to be plastered with SMG posters as teenager as well and I used to think that Spike was kinda cool. (we shared crush on Buffy, so...) But after I got older I realized that was 100 ways f-ed up and heaps of problematic and thinking that he still stans that character...
. (Also, I always say it's worth remembering that Angel's soul was a curse, Spike's was a choice & that meant a lot to me.) But yeah, fucked up dynamics for both and wow, how do I make this about Deppy enough to justify posting it here? Um. 
I like how you assumed that I assumed that those posts were about me, how wonderful that you think to know what I think and feel. I actually assumed no such thing, I was just trying to express a different view from the majority on here, which I thought was allowed this being a forum and all, and I did that by using myself as an example.jhamba wrote:I liked how you assumed this was about you. Dan and Phil fans who defend them are not that uncommon. You mentioned not being trained by anyone, and that's great for you (although you mentioned being part of the book fandom, and how that affected the way you look at the amount ofcontent they produce? Idk), but you're not the only one in the phandom. I think most people here would agree that we do expect less content from them than we would with other yters, and that is because of what they've conditioned us to expect from them.SquishPhan wrote: No one is stopping you to be vocal about your disappointment, but just like some people get bored of people ‘defending’ Dan and Phil, others get bored of the (same) complaints.
I feel like both sides should be able to express their opinions without being attacked.
Maybe it is just because I’m from a book fandom, where if you’re lucky you will get new content after a year of waiting, that I find I get plenty of content from Dan and Phil. Although new content is always more than welcome. I can see why others don’t feel the same. Doesn’t mean that I was trained by anyone to feel a certain way, I have my own opinions thank you very much.
Being from the book fandom doesn't mean you look at their content the way you look at books. It means you look at their content the way you'd look at other youtuber's contents. And, most of the time, they make it worth the wait, which is why we stay in the fandom. But, rn, it does not feel like the wait is worth it, bc we're getting content drought for someting most of us will not be able to experience. And, honestly, you assuming that these generally relevant posts are shading you is annoying af (ofc, you can continue being annoying af. It's a forum without much censorship, but I just wanted to tell you that)
*war flashbacks to ''no bunk'' meme* Honestly, Phil, did you learn nothing from that incident.Ticia wrote:
Asking the important questions
I always suspect that he didn't come out to his parents yet. (That if he is bi or gay or anything other than straight)phanbanter wrote:So because I've been bored off my ass I decided to do some stalking (I know its bad just let me live) and I went into Dan's mum's facebook page. It's private of course, but you can still see who she follows and the pages she has liked. I don't see Dan in her friends list (tbh he probably has a fake account, which shouldn't be too hard to find if he is friends with her since she only has 125 friends) but there is one thing that really sticks out to me. She has liked Dan's page as well as the "Dan and Phil" page, but she hasn't liked Phil's page. #phandivorce?
To clarify, when I say they have phandom trained it's not an insult. My exact words:spaceguitar wrote:I also feel uncomfortable when people bash D+P for not putting out much content. I haven't really seen any of that recently, but I sure know that it happens from times on GG. Calling them lazy in a negative tone. Its also vaguely annoying when people say the phandom is trained :wtf:
I'm not a trained monkey, or whatever other metaphor. I'm a person who is choosing to be invested in them.
In case that is confusing, I'll try to clarify further: I mean that they have established a pattern of updates (both on social media and on their channels) that is drastically less frequent than most other youtubers, and no one in their active fanbase expects them to update more often than that because they have trained us not to expect more. That doesn't have anything to do with judging anyone's level of investment in them.It's especially amazing to me that they've got fans so trained that they're held to very little in the way of expected interactions
yesssspaceguitar wrote:Its also vaguely annoying when people say the phandom is trained :wtf:
I'm not a trained monkey, or whatever other metaphor. I'm a person who is choosing to be invested in them.
Phil Lester wrote:"I'll rub myself in a mango before I eat a mango."
Yes. Also, I feel as though demanding for more is not necessarily such a high-brow action. Like, when I'm dissatisfied with them, its b/c their content didn't feel right to me. If its too commercialized, feels completely fake, or is offensive in some way, i'm ready to be all up in here. But lack of content I don't feel makes their fans necessarily 'trained'. Though again, I'm not really offended alittledizzy. I just don't really agree.lilMango wrote:yesssspaceguitar wrote:Its also vaguely annoying when people say the phandom is trained :wtf:
I'm not a trained monkey, or whatever other metaphor. I'm a person who is choosing to be invested in them.
When people say that the phandom are "trained" to be happy with less content, I understand what they're trying to say but... I'm not speaking for everyone, but the idea that we're "trained" assumes that we're mindless consumers that do nothing but watch and command for more.
Idk, I'm not that annoyed by this because I know what people mean when they use this metaphor, but it is a silly one. Being a bit more accurate would be appreciated, but whatever.
Edit: thanks for confirming alittledizzy, and I wasn't targeting you specifically because I've seen this expression used in many ways referring to the phandom.
I ship Dantissmajitzu wrote: Wut?
I think it depends where you stand on the ''are they dating'' vs. ''are they not dating'' debate, if he really is in a long-term relationship with Phil I think he would have had to come out to his parents at some point. If not, I think it's not implausible that he wouldn't be out to his family. I don't think his parents would be terribly surprised to hear that he wasn't straight tho...if Dan was my son, I would have suspected something a long time ago. Somewhere in between dancing to the Spice Girls in a wig and having Moulin Rogue as his favorite movie. (Jk, of course. Stereotypes aren't always true. Except maybe in Dan's case.akui wrote:
I always suspect that he didn't come out to his parents yet. (That if he is bi or gay or anything other than straight)
) I think what we disagree on is what the word trained actually means in this context, because my take on this didn't actually involve level of satisfaction - just the fact that we don't expect weekly (or more) content from Dan and Phil, which is what the majority of other youtubers deliver. Dan and Phil don't do that, and we accept that they don't do that. That is them having us trained not to hold them to the standards other youtubers are held to. Me stating that doesn't have anything to do with whether people like it or not.spaceguitar wrote:Yes. Also, I feel as though demanding for more is not necessarily such a high-brow action. Like, when I'm dissatisfied with them, its b/c their content didn't feel right to me. If its too commercialized, feels completely fake, or is offensive in some way, i'm ready to be all up in here. But lack of content I don't feel makes their fans necessarily 'trained'. Though again, I'm not really offended alittledizzy. I just don't really agree.lilMango wrote:yesssspaceguitar wrote:Its also vaguely annoying when people say the phandom is trained :wtf:
I'm not a trained monkey, or whatever other metaphor. I'm a person who is choosing to be invested in them.
When people say that the phandom are "trained" to be happy with less content, I understand what they're trying to say but... I'm not speaking for everyone, but the idea that we're "trained" assumes that we're mindless consumers that do nothing but watch and command for more.
Idk, I'm not that annoyed by this because I know what people mean when they use this metaphor, but it is a silly one. Being a bit more accurate would be appreciated, but whatever.
Edit: thanks for confirming alittledizzy, and I wasn't targeting you specifically because I've seen this expression used in many ways referring to the phandom.
I think they are still with flipside, otherwise the manager lady would've been kicked off from their tour bus by now.mez29 wrote:Not really news, but have been removed from the list of partners on ChannelFlip's website. They are still on FlipSide's website, although the page says "2015 looks set to be the most exciting year so far for Dan & Phil’s adventures", so it's not exactly current.
I think we are all feeling PTSD "present tour stress disorder" (that was more witty in my headphamnotof wrote:I don't wanna poke any nests, but I will say that we've been talking about whether we're bored and frustrated and if we get to be that and what's the right approach to being that for so long that at the very least, we can definitely say that there hasn't been anything more entertaining to do and therefore, most of us are feeling a drought to a certain degree whether there actually is one or not.
And for me, because I've actually been thinking about it, too, the issue is not just that we don't have enough material, which - we do have some, and not that little still. For me, what makes me itchy in unpleasant ways is that I don't have anything concrete to look forward to. Like I loved knowing that there'd be a ls, I loved hearing about what they were filming through them because them I got to look forward to that, too, I loved looking forward to the radio show - and occasional dropped stuff was awesome, too, but that can't hold me over for that long. It's the uncertainty that makes me feelthe weirdest. Like sure, we know there'll be some videos at some point and some tweets to hold us over, m&g pics that will get less and less exciting with every state, but that's hardly the same.
). Anyway it's fair for many to feel isolated and sad because we expect DP to always have a LS or communicate with us. They gave us one video from Phil and a gaming vid but if we compare DP to other youtubers they make a lot less content for their subscribers. Joey, Zoella, and most of gleam have at least a weekly posting schedule and even then they get dragged for being lazy. DP have one of the nicest forums and fans in the world. We stay dedicated with 1 or 2 videos a month. Even when Pewdiepie went to tour he made sure to record lots of videos as back up, I hope DP do the same. At the end of the day they are youtubers and 1 video a month isn't going to cut it (except it totally does for some reason with DP.... whispers lab rats )
I'm suspecting, idk, cuz the way Dan described his parents, made me think he either don't believe his parents would accept him for who he is, or really distance himself from his parents hence reluctant to share his life with them.bedhead91 wrote: I think it depends where you stand on the ''are they dating'' vs. ''are they not dating'' debate, if he really is in a long-term relationship with Phil I think he would have had to come out to his parents at some point. If not, I think it's not implausible that he wouldn't be out to his family. I don't think his parents would be terribly surprised to hear that he wasn't straight tho...if Dan was my son, I would have suspected something a long time ago. Somewhere in between dancing to the Spice Girls in a wig and having Moulin Rogue as his favorite movie. (Jk, of course. Stereotypes aren't always true. Except maybe in Dan's case.
On a separate note, I feel like I'm one of the few who don't mind not putting out much content. When we do get content, it feels special and not created just because they had to put out something, which is a feeling I sometimes get with other YouTubers who have a set weekly schedule for videos.
(i get one is a mcn and the other one is a "talent agency" but what does that mean????)akui wrote:I'm suspecting, idk, cuz the way Dan described his parents, made me think he either don't believe his parents would accept him for who he is, or really distance himself from his parents hence reluctant to share his life with them.bedhead91 wrote: I think it depends where you stand on the ''are they dating'' vs. ''are they not dating'' debate, if he really is in a long-term relationship with Phil I think he would have had to come out to his parents at some point. If not, I think it's not implausible that he wouldn't be out to his family. I don't think his parents would be terribly surprised to hear that he wasn't straight tho...if Dan was my son, I would have suspected something a long time ago. Somewhere in between dancing to the Spice Girls in a wig and having Moulin Rogue as his favorite movie. (Jk, of course. Stereotypes aren't always true. Except maybe in Dan's case.
On a separate note, I feel like I'm one of the few who don't mind not putting out much content. When we do get content, it feels special and not created just because they had to put out something, which is a feeling I sometimes get with other YouTubers who have a set weekly schedule for videos.
I don't mind not having a upload schedule, but i do wish that they can be "i feel inspired i wanna make a video" in a spontaneously whimsical way, but they always just do the bare minimum, which sometimes make me think that they either lost their passion or lost their inspiration.
I know that Dan's grandma who he sees as his closest relative follows Phil/tweeted about Phil saying congratulations one day (near their phaniversary if my memory serves correctly).
