Dan & Phil Part 100: full-time internet homowners

[howadorableright]

His latest insta post
He looks so proud of this particular project to be posting it everywhere so i'm just happy that he's enjoying it, however cringe it may be. I don't think he thinks it's cringe so good for him.

That shot with Phil tho.. slapping me would hurt less

the phil photo!! warmed my little heart omg. can you imagine him throwing that up a few years ago? i feel like they're just so comfy now and it makes me smile.

seeing the bts photos in general make me happy, it does seem like he's proud to have made something and that feels good.

[fruitcriminals]

Yes that second photo is so cute.

I watched John being interviewed by Dan and I liked bits. Dan looked nice, he was less ‘entertainer’. John was great.

The cave in France causing Dan to leave sounded a bit odd. Having a crisis on a holiday with his family right after he came out, pretending to have a meeting, running away etc makes total sense to me. Doing it because of a cave painting sounds a bit weird though.

Overall I found a 30 year old man showing his 43 year old friend his childhood teddy bear without the context that he found it recently when moving v funny tbh.

[kavat]

And this comment tops it all off

[Phanshy]

My only real opinions are Dan looks so much like Sharleen Spiteri in the teen part it's uncanny.
STIs aren't aspirational even in a joking way.
I wouldn't like my partner joking about wanting to sleep with other people all the time but maybe I'm just insecure because I'm sure if Phil was bothered by it he wouldn't do it.
I do find it odd though, it makes him look single to people not in the know, maybe it's easier to talk about that because he can't talk about what it's like being closeted and in a relationship the painful side, the funny side, the things you missed out on that people take for granted, to times you have to minimise who someone is to you, having to keep the best part of your life secret not from the internet but from your family and friends. I know he doesn't want to talk about his personal life and that's completely understandable but the jokes about missing out on sleeping with other guys just make me feel weird.

[fruitcriminals]

My only real opinions are Dan looks so much like Sharleen Spiteri in the teen part it's uncanny.
STIs aren't aspirational even in a joking way.
I wouldn't like my partner joking about wanting to sleep with other people all the time but maybe I'm just insecure because I'm sure if Phil was bothered by it he wouldn't do it.
I do find it odd though, it makes him look single to people not in the know, maybe it's easier to talk about that because he can't talk about what it's like being closeted and in a relationship the painful side, the funny side, the things you missed out on that people take for granted, to times you have to minimise who someone is to you, having to keep the best part of your life secret not from the internet but from your family and friends. I know he doesn't want to talk about his personal life and that's completely understandable but the jokes about missing out on sleeping with other guys just make me feel weird.

I get what you mean. It must be weird for Cornelia, she watches his stuff and posts about it to support him, and then there he is, joking about std's and snogging boys in clubs. I quite liked last time when he posted that 'looking for a daddy' thing she counteracted it with her 'uncle dan' post

[Catallena]

lmao 'forgot to learn the script' phil just admit that you're diva and it just wasn't up to your standards

[Levitating]

Why is everyone saying that the people there did not represent the fandom? Like, if you look at the DnP survey they totally do!
USA and UK are the countries with highest number of viewer and the white population is, statistically, high in those places. Most of us are female and only one of the three people where identified as one.
https://danandphilsurvey.tumblr.com/pos ... ey-results

I already made peace with the fact that the chances of me enjoying Dan content at this point are very slim, which is fine. I can live with that. My biggest issue is that I just don’t like who he becomes when he’s on his own channel. I like him on AP, I liked him on stereo. The Dan we see on dinof seems completely another person to me, to the point that it makes me wonder “which is the real Dan?” Is It the guy who makes divorce jokes with Phil on a livestream, or is he the guy who talks about sleeping with every man in London? I just.. pretty much over this “depressed and horny” phase he keeps pushing in every single thing he does. I am not saying that sex jokes are bad, but when it’s the main thing you talk about, it becomes too much.

Now that you mention it, I remember I had noticed how distant Dan seemed from Phil in his own channel. I remember perceiving like he was still portraying himself as an individual, never mentioning Phil or retweeting him - or at least not in the same way Phil does.
All of this further ruins the impression I get from that "horny" phase, as if he was really trying to tell us that he is single, that "Phil's stuff" exists elsewhere.

what it's like being closeted and in a relationship the painful side, the funny side, the things you missed out on that people take for granted, to times you have to minimise who someone is to you, having to keep the best part of your life secret not from the internet but from your family and friends

Yes. This would be nice. Closer to something that it's authentic, universal, even useful. It would be nice to see how a coming out in a couple works and what happens later.

[yellowsubmarine]

Why is everyone saying that the people there did not represent the fandom? Like, if you look at the DnP survey they totally do!
USA and UK are the countries with highest number of viewer and the white population is, statistically, high in those places. Most of us are female and only one of the three people where identified as one.
https://danandphilsurvey.tumblr.com/pos ... ey-results

I already made peace with the fact that the chances of me enjoying Dan content at this point are very slim, which is fine. I can live with that. My biggest issue is that I just don’t like who he becomes when he’s on his own channel. I like him on AP, I liked him on stereo. The Dan we see on dinof seems completely another person to me, to the point that it makes me wonder “which is the real Dan?” Is It the guy who makes divorce jokes with Phil on a livestream, or is he the guy who talks about sleeping with every man in London? I just.. pretty much over this “depressed and horny” phase he keeps pushing in every single thing he does. I am not saying that sex jokes are bad, but when it’s the main thing you talk about, it becomes too much.

Now that you mention it, I remember I had noticed how distant Dan seemed from Phil in his own channel. I remember perceiving like he was still portraying himself as an individual, never mentioning Phil or retweeting him - or at least not in the same way Phil does.
All of this further ruins the impression I get from that "horny" phase, as if he was really trying to tell us that he is single, that "Phil's stuff" exists elsewhere.

what it's like being closeted and in a relationship the painful side, the funny side, the things you missed out on that people take for granted, to times you have to minimise who someone is to you, having to keep the best part of your life secret not from the internet but from your family and friends

Yes. This would be nice. Closer to something that it's authentic, universal, even useful. It would be nice to see how a coming out in a couple works and what happens later.

Oh for real the stats don't lie... dnp audience is very majorly caucasian and English speaking, there's no way around it. I also think it was very fairly represented.

[alittledizzy]

His latest insta post
He looks so proud of this particular project to be posting it everywhere so i'm just happy that he's enjoying it, however cringe it may be. I don't think he thinks it's cringe so good for him.

That shot with Phil tho.. slapping me would hurt less

It is really nice to see Dan be proud of things. I think he struggled with that for a long time. I remember feeling really sad/distraught listening to the final radio show because Phil clearly wanted a fond remembrance of the time they spent doing it but all Dan could focus on was how bad they were when they started? And sure maybe they were but... I just so distinctly remember wishing he could just admit they did a good job and the show was good.

[adorally]

Why is everyone saying that the people there did not represent the fandom? Like, if you look at the DnP survey they totally do!
USA and UK are the countries with highest number of viewer and the white population is, statistically, high in those places. Most of us are female and only one of the three people where identified as one.
https://danandphilsurvey.tumblr.com/pos ... ey-results

I already made peace with the fact that the chances of me enjoying Dan content at this point are very slim, which is fine. I can live with that. My biggest issue is that I just don’t like who he becomes when he’s on his own channel. I like him on AP, I liked him on stereo. The Dan we see on dinof seems completely another person to me, to the point that it makes me wonder “which is the real Dan?” Is It the guy who makes divorce jokes with Phil on a livestream, or is he the guy who talks about sleeping with every man in London? I just.. pretty much over this “depressed and horny” phase he keeps pushing in every single thing he does. I am not saying that sex jokes are bad, but when it’s the main thing you talk about, it becomes too much.

Now that you mention it, I remember I had noticed how distant Dan seemed from Phil in his own channel. I remember perceiving like he was still portraying himself as an individual, never mentioning Phil or retweeting him - or at least not in the same way Phil does.
All of this further ruins the impression I get from that "horny" phase, as if he was really trying to tell us that he is single, that "Phil's stuff" exists elsewhere.

what it's like being closeted and in a relationship the painful side, the funny side, the things you missed out on that people take for granted, to times you have to minimise who someone is to you, having to keep the best part of your life secret not from the internet but from your family and friends

Yes. This would be nice. Closer to something that it's authentic, universal, even useful. It would be nice to see how a coming out in a couple works and what happens later.

Oh for real the stats don't lie... dnp audience is very majorly caucasian and English speaking, there's no way around it. I also think it was very fairly represented.

Sorry but I will have to disagree with this sentiment. DnP toured around the world, and even their Western fans come from many backgrounds: ethnicity, sexual orientation (which of course was covered well), age, etc. etc as noted by other posters. In fact it actually bothered me to the point of acknowledgement that not more representation was shown.

I also agree with the majority that the video fell for me in terms of pacing and, yes, the "hot boy summer" ones caught me off-guard too.

[BlueSnoko]

Is there a way to rewatch the event John Green had with Dan yesterday? I unfortunately had work.

[fruitcriminals]

Hey @bluesnoko yes someone posted the link on the page before this.


In cake news:

[shan]

I wonder if Will Young was really Dan's choice or if they gave him guidelines about who to involve? He did tie into Dan's story well but it did feel like a conversation that didn't really serve the scenario they were there to talk about very well. And the fan bit: not the fault of the fans chosen at all, but knowing how scripted it was and how it really failed to represent diversity in phandom... meh.

I don't know if I just have a really terrible memory for my childhood but as nice as the story was about 10 year old Dan seeing Will Young coming out as the first representation he saw etc. I don't really believe it. There was an actual drag queen on the first season of Australian Idol when I was 10, a show I loved, and I had zero memory of that until she was on drag race. I think since he has an album coming out soon, chances are his agent managed to get him an in and it conveniently tied in (kind of) with the story of Dan's video.

Quick thing about the survey, it's only really representative of fans active in the social media side of the phandom. This year's was the first I ever took part in because if you're happy just watching the videos without engaging with other fans it's not something you come across. Statistically, by the number of participants, the majority of viewers did not take part. It's a fantastic project and very interesting to read but it's not representative of their entire viewership.

Regardless, no matter which way you swing it, 100% white is not accurate by any stretch of the imagination. Also, I haven't gone back to confirm but was every single fan video from the UK?

[greenergrass]

okay I'm ashamed to admit that it never crossed my mind that it was dan playing his younger self in that video literally until I just saw pj's comment on instagram. like my immediate thought when I was watching the video was wait what is that phil? no that can't be phil. no that's not phil. definitely a random teen actor. but nope, dan himself didn't even cross my mind.

(brothers? confirmed)


(sorry if this has already been brought up a million times or something, i'm not fully caught up on the forum and just came here after the ig post)

[snoopysadie]

Dan saying it was all filmed in one day makes a lot of it make sense. Youtube really half-assed this special and I think it did a disservice to everyone involved. Dan's script might have worked pretty well if perhaps they'd given him someone professional to write it with (if he'd have gone for that) or if they'd had time to do multiple passes of some things. I'd love to know when it was filmed because if the editors also had a short turnaround for a finish product then even giving them more time might have helped.

I'm glad Dan got to do something like this if it breaks the ice in terms of him using his youtube channel. If not... eh. At least it's directing some money at charities that need it. But now that timestamps are done, I don't think I'll rewatch.

(Okay, maybe I'll Dan breaking stuff to I Will Survive. But not the rest.)

i was casually checking dan's twitter likes yesterday and i came across this tweet:

so I THINK that around that time? Maybe she filmed before/after? I don't know how long it would take to edit all of that.


(also i just spent 5 minutes trying to embed that tweet into a trigger warning lol)

[blueapple_x]

(Okay, maybe I'll Dan breaking stuff to I Will Survive. But not the rest.)

Wait i forgot to talk about that ending, it made me laugh out loud but in a "wtf is going on" way and i actually couldn't believe THAT was the way he decided to end it. It's iconic, but also the fuck?

I'm glad I'm not the only one who cracked up at the ending. The exaggerated slo-mo effect got me good

[Phanshy]

I wonder if Will Young was really Dan's choice or if they gave him guidelines about who to involve? He did tie into Dan's story well but it did feel like a conversation that didn't really serve the scenario they were there to talk about very well. And the fan bit: not the fault of the fans chosen at all, but knowing how scripted it was and how it really failed to represent diversity in phandom... meh.

I don't know if I just have a really terrible memory for my childhood but as nice as the story was about 10 year old Dan seeing Will Young coming out as the first representation he saw etc. I don't really believe it. There was an actual drag queen on the first season of Australian Idol when I was 10, a show I loved, and I had zero memory of that until she was on drag race. I think since he has an album coming out soon, chances are his agent managed to get him an in and it conveniently tied in (kind of) with the story of Dan's video.

I'm older than Dan I was 14 when Will Young came out but it was a really big deal to me at the time, I loved that it was at the start of his career which felt so brave and I can understand it having a big impact on Dan because of how massive Pop Idol was.
I have a very strong memory of George Michael coming out after being arrested when I was 11 and loving that despite it being a big scandal he was unapologetic about it and released Outside as a giant F you to people who had a problem with it and to the police. I think even more of an impact on me was Stephen Gately from Boyzone came out when I was 12 even though at that point I wasn't listening to them anymore the fact that the fans were accepting of him when before people would say that someone from a boyband couldn't come out because it would alienate their teen girl audience.
obviously this was pre Tumblr.

I think it's natural when you grow up isolated from queer culture you latch on to anything that remotely speaks to you and it becomes more significant than it would do normally. I certainly did with films.

[shan]

I wonder if Will Young was really Dan's choice or if they gave him guidelines about who to involve? He did tie into Dan's story well but it did feel like a conversation that didn't really serve the scenario they were there to talk about very well. And the fan bit: not the fault of the fans chosen at all, but knowing how scripted it was and how it really failed to represent diversity in phandom... meh.

I don't know if I just have a really terrible memory for my childhood but as nice as the story was about 10 year old Dan seeing Will Young coming out as the first representation he saw etc. I don't really believe it. There was an actual drag queen on the first season of Australian Idol when I was 10, a show I loved, and I had zero memory of that until she was on drag race. I think since he has an album coming out soon, chances are his agent managed to get him an in and it conveniently tied in (kind of) with the story of Dan's video.

I'm older than Dan I was 14 when Will Young came out but it was a really big deal to me at the time, I loved that it was at the start of his career which felt so brave and I can understand it having a big impact on Dan because of how massive Pop Idol was.
I have a very strong memory of George Michael coming out after being arrested when I was 11 and loving that despite it being a big scandal he was unapologetic about it and released Outside as a giant F you to people who had a problem with it and to the police. I think even more of an impact on me was Stephen Gately from Boyzone came out when I was 12 even though at that point I wasn't listening to them anymore the fact that the fans were accepting of him when before people would say that someone from a boyband couldn't come out because it would alienate their teen girl audience.
obviously this was pre Tumblr.

I think it's natural when you grow up isolated from queer culture you latch on to anything that remotely speaks to you and it becomes more significant than it would do normally. I certainly did with films.

There'a a very good chance I'm part goldfish then because my memory of anything pop culture other than movies or music from before around 13 years old is pretty much nonexistent That was also around the time that the concept of sexuality became relevant to me so anything pre that probably didn't have much of an impact. Looking back as an adult though, I definitely loved movies and shows when I was younger that had a lot of queer themes but it's not something I was aware of at the time.

I think I'd still be surprised if Dan's first thought for a musical guest was him though, even if the story was completely true. He doesn't follow him anywhere and he conveniently has an album coming out in August so it seems too convenient to not have been contrived by the producers.

[obvsly]

Anybody knows if the options shown for donating are in a currency according to where the person donating is from? For Phil's membership I can always see my currency.

I donated during the livestream and the currency shown was of my South East Asian country! It was quite nice that it’s much easier than donating via, say, justgiving.

[lefthandedism]

I enjoyed Dan's latest interview with John Green so much; they connect so well on so many levels. The are two of the people I have the closest parasocial relationship with, and I learned new things about each of them. I loved that they shared a tear over the groundhog who didn't emerge from hibernation. At one point, John explained that one of the states he likes just "being" in is having a dinner with good food and people he loves, where everyone at the table is smarter than he is and he can just enjoy the conversation. This felt something like that.

Dan and John each are most famous (and arguably beloved) when performing with a partner (Phil and John's brother Hank, respectively) who brings a lot of chaotic energy. The result can be fast-paced and hilarious and very entertaining. Dan and John's meetings are of two moody introverts and the vibe is much more chill. I wouldn't say the conversation necessarily goes "deeper", but the pace is measured and thoughtful and warm, and definitely a meal I'd love to be invited to.

[phancon]

I wonder if Will Young was really Dan's choice or if they gave him guidelines about who to involve? He did tie into Dan's story well but it did feel like a conversation that didn't really serve the scenario they were there to talk about very well. And the fan bit: not the fault of the fans chosen at all, but knowing how scripted it was and how it really failed to represent diversity in phandom... meh.

I don't know if I just have a really terrible memory for my childhood but as nice as the story was about 10 year old Dan seeing Will Young coming out as the first representation he saw etc. I don't really believe it. There was an actual drag queen on the first season of Australian Idol when I was 10, a show I loved, and I had zero memory of that until she was on drag race. I think since he has an album coming out soon, chances are his agent managed to get him an in and it conveniently tied in (kind of) with the story of Dan's video.

I'm older than Dan I was 14 when Will Young came out but it was a really big deal to me at the time, I loved that it was at the start of his career which felt so brave and I can understand it having a big impact on Dan because of how massive Pop Idol was.
I have a very strong memory of George Michael coming out after being arrested when I was 11 and loving that despite it being a big scandal he was unapologetic about it and released Outside as a giant F you to people who had a problem with it and to the police. I think even more of an impact on me was Stephen Gately from Boyzone came out when I was 12 even though at that point I wasn't listening to them anymore the fact that the fans were accepting of him when before people would say that someone from a boyband couldn't come out because it would alienate their teen girl audience.
obviously this was pre Tumblr.

I think it's natural when you grow up isolated from queer culture you latch on to anything that remotely speaks to you and it becomes more significant than it would do normally. I certainly did with films.

There'a a very good chance I'm part goldfish then because my memory of anything pop culture other than movies or music from before around 13 years old is pretty much nonexistent That was also around the time that the concept of sexuality became relevant to me so anything pre that probably didn't have much of an impact. Looking back as an adult though, I definitely loved movies and shows when I was younger that had a lot of queer themes but it's not something I was aware of at the time.

I think I'd still be surprised if Dan's first thought for a musical guest was him though, even if the story was completely true. He doesn't follow him anywhere and he conveniently has an album coming out in August so it seems too convenient to not have been contrived by the producers.

i'm the same age as dan (he's just 2 months older than i am) and definitely remember will young coming out too. it was huge in the uk, all over the news and the papers, so it's not surprising to me that dan would have been impacted by it as the first noticeable queer person. and to be fair, i was impacted by will's coming out too, but don't really follow him much at all as an adult (i wasn't even aware he was still making music before seeing that video), so dan not following him or mentioning him before isn't really surprising either, as will young hasn't really been in the limelight at all in a long time.

all that said, if youtube suggested will young for the musical guest and not dan... i can't say i'd be massively shocked, i guess. they might also have asked others but been denied. but i also don't think we should be quick to dismiss will's impact on dan.

[shan]

I wonder if Will Young was really Dan's choice or if they gave him guidelines about who to involve? He did tie into Dan's story well but it did feel like a conversation that didn't really serve the scenario they were there to talk about very well. And the fan bit: not the fault of the fans chosen at all, but knowing how scripted it was and how it really failed to represent diversity in phandom... meh.

I don't know if I just have a really terrible memory for my childhood but as nice as the story was about 10 year old Dan seeing Will Young coming out as the first representation he saw etc. I don't really believe it. There was an actual drag queen on the first season of Australian Idol when I was 10, a show I loved, and I had zero memory of that until she was on drag race. I think since he has an album coming out soon, chances are his agent managed to get him an in and it conveniently tied in (kind of) with the story of Dan's video.

I'm older than Dan I was 14 when Will Young came out but it was a really big deal to me at the time, I loved that it was at the start of his career which felt so brave and I can understand it having a big impact on Dan because of how massive Pop Idol was.
I have a very strong memory of George Michael coming out after being arrested when I was 11 and loving that despite it being a big scandal he was unapologetic about it and released Outside as a giant F you to people who had a problem with it and to the police. I think even more of an impact on me was Stephen Gately from Boyzone came out when I was 12 even though at that point I wasn't listening to them anymore the fact that the fans were accepting of him when before people would say that someone from a boyband couldn't come out because it would alienate their teen girl audience.
obviously this was pre Tumblr.

I think it's natural when you grow up isolated from queer culture you latch on to anything that remotely speaks to you and it becomes more significant than it would do normally. I certainly did with films.

There'a a very good chance I'm part goldfish then because my memory of anything pop culture other than movies or music from before around 13 years old is pretty much nonexistent That was also around the time that the concept of sexuality became relevant to me so anything pre that probably didn't have much of an impact. Looking back as an adult though, I definitely loved movies and shows when I was younger that had a lot of queer themes but it's not something I was aware of at the time.

I think I'd still be surprised if Dan's first thought for a musical guest was him though, even if the story was completely true. He doesn't follow him anywhere and he conveniently has an album coming out in August so it seems too convenient to not have been contrived by the producers.

i'm the same age as dan (he's just 2 months older than i am) and definitely remember will young coming out too. it was huge in the uk, all over the news and the papers, so it's not surprising to me that dan would have been impacted by it as the first noticeable queer person. and to be fair, i was impacted by will's coming out too, but don't really follow him much at all as an adult (i wasn't even aware he was still making music before seeing that video), so dan not following him or mentioning him before isn't really surprising either, as will young hasn't really been in the limelight at all in a long time.

all that said, if youtube suggested will young for the musical guest and not dan... i can't say i'd be massively shocked, i guess. they might also have asked others but been denied. but i also don't think we should be quick to dismiss will's impact on dan.

I’m in no way dismissing the impact he may have had on Dan. Like I said in both posts, I admittedly have a poor memory of pop culture and news from when I was that young and there’s every chance that’s just a ‘me’ thing. Someone else pointed out a few pages back that they hadn’t heard his name in ten years and were surprised he was involved as well. Given that he’s clearly not prominent in the music scene anymore and the fact Dan doesn’t follow him, my point was mainly that the circumstances around it seemed too convenient for me to think he was Dan’s suggestion but who knows, maybe he was.

Ultimately, why he was there isn’t all that important. I still enjoyed his song but thought he was too sincere to interview well with Dan.

[alittledizzy]

Jumpscared.

[snoopysadie]

Jumpscared.

I need to unsee that

[Catallena]