Dan & Phil Part 11: Kinda queer and terrible #ComeTogether

[LurkingTrash]

Phil isn't as vocal with the Phil Trash #1 or the over protectiveness but then again that doesn't really scream Phil to me. He is a man who lets his actions speak instead of his words (unless its an angry DM ). He seems like a man that is comfortable and confident in his relationship with Dan, enough that he doesn't need to scream it but instead can show it through tiny gestures and clips.

We could also add to the discussion that Dan is pushed a lot more often than Phil to be vocal about it, like a balance for the 2012 stuff, he knows what the fans think of that.

Let me explain this better:
The fans push him to say this stuff a lot more than Phil because they know it's how he felt before 2012 when he denied it
And also, I bet he knows how most people atribute the worst of 2012 to him and his vocal-ness against phan while Phil mostly kept quiet and danced to the music when necessary to disperse rumors.
The amount of praise he receives wherever he express his love for Phil might help too in him being more and more confident in showing his feelings.
Also, people do see Phil as more the reserved type (including me) even if in early phan days he was just as vocal about things as Dan was.

idk, I hope I'm making sense

i've noticed recently that if anyone is denying phan nowadays its phil! in the liveshow the other day dan laid down and phil was like "well now where do i sit?" and dan patted the space his legs and body made and went "right here duh."
it was extremely cute but phil did not take up the offer. dan seems to be embracing his sexuality more, while phil seems stuck in the days of 2012. phil wasn't aggressive like dan back then, but he was just as dismissive of phan in general.
its interesting to me. we all thought dan was the one who couldnt accept being bi/gay (if he actually was) but maybe phil was the one who wanted to hide their relationship?? it makes sense being that he was the maker of the voldy video. that must have been such a breach of privacy for him, i wouldn't be surprised if he was tramautized!
my new theory is that phil may have ended the relationship/put it on hold/decided to hide it and bc dan was so hurt he became extremely angry about phan shipping.
brb i just made myself really sad picturing brokenhearted dan having to read comments about him and his ex boyfriend 24/7 </3

yeah, there's that possibility but I'm gonna admit my brain actively tries to never go there because it makes me incredibly sad.
I always like to thinks only on the 'happier' note of them either never having been together or being together the whole time.
My poor heart can't handle thinking about a phan breakup if there was a relationship at some point.

[kuensukki]

How much do you guys think they film each other just for themselves? Do you think they have full edited vlogs or short clips like the LAP videos and Japhan Instagram videos that we never see? Or videos that they make for each other and don't post on Youtube?

Or videos they make for each other and do post on YouTube but not publicly.....*ahem*

Aside from the existence of Voldy, we also know that:
- Dan takes photos of Phil (and other people) without their knowledge (judging by his comment on his video with Tyler, and from that photo of Phil he posted on Twitter once)
- Phil has random af videos on his computer that we've never seen ("Secret Files" video)
- Phil watches old Dil videos when Dan is away, for nostalgia (second "Sleepless Night" video

I don't know about fully edited vlogs, but I'm sure they privately film themselves doing stuff all the time. Like then they go on vacation and stuff, or when they're sitting around the house. I'm not sure if this will make total sense, but you know how parents of young children often film their kids all the time, like when they go on trips, or even just in everyday life while they're in the car or playing in the yard or whatever? I feel like Dan and Phil kind of act like that, except with each other instead of with kids. Like Phil spontaneously starts filming Dan when he thinks he's doing something entertaining or looking particularly hot, or when something funny is going on or something, and vice versa.

Reminds me of Dans Jamaica picture under the blue sun. Also in mimei's vlog out can see Dan in the background filming Phil and the TABINOF Japhan pics are taken by each other

We get a cheeky wink from Dan

[kuensukki]

Phil isn't as vocal with the Phil Trash #1 or the over protectiveness but then again that doesn't really scream Phil to me. He is a man who lets his actions speak instead of his words (unless its an angry DM ). He seems like a man that is comfortable and confident in his relationship with Dan, enough that he doesn't need to scream it but instead can show it through tiny gestures and clips.

We could also add to the discussion that Dan is pushed a lot more often than Phil to be vocal about it, like a balance for the 2012 stuff, he knows what the fans think of that.

Let me explain this better:
The fans push him to say this stuff a lot more than Phil because they know it's how he felt before 2012 when he denied it
And also, I bet he knows how most people atribute the worst of 2012 to him and his vocal-ness against phan while Phil mostly kept quiet and danced to the music when necessary to disperse rumors.
The amount of praise he receives wherever he express his love for Phil might help too in him being more and more confident in showing his feelings.
Also, people do see Phil as more the reserved type (including me) even if in early phan days he was just as vocal about things as Dan was.

idk, I hope I'm making sense

i've noticed recently that if anyone is denying phan nowadays its phil! in the liveshow the other day dan laid down and phil was like "well now where do i sit?" and dan patted the space his legs and body made and went "right here duh."
it was extremely cute but phil did not take up the offer. dan seems to be embracing his sexuality more, while phil seems stuck in the days of 2012. phil wasn't aggressive like dan back then, but he was just as dismissive of phan in general.
its interesting to me. we all thought dan was the one who couldnt accepted being bi/gay (if he actually was) but maybe phil was the one who wanted to hide their relationship?? it makes sense being that he was the maker of the voldy video. that must have been such a breach of privacy for him, i wouldn't be surprised if he was tramautized!
my new theory is that phil may have ended the relationship/put it on hold/decided to hide it and bc dan was so hurt he became extremely angry about phan shipping.
brb i just made myself really sad picturing brokenhearted dan having to read comments about him and his ex boyfriend 24/7 </3

Sorry but what :wtf: I think you might be projecting fanfiction to the real life relationship of DP. Don't worry I thought that at one point but I cleared my head a little from the 2012 AU's. That being said I think you make a great point Phil being more inclined to discourage phan. I think it might be his way of distancing himself from dan and his eventual coming out?? Another reason may be that if both play the game it takes away from the ambiguity of to their relationship and everything becomes a service to the fans instead of a meaningful relationship between two peope who love each other. I think that having a balance between the two is crucial. Do I wish to see the day where Phil comes out on stage with a rainbow speedo with a Dan trash #1 t-shirt on yes, but I'm also realistic that it's not going to happen. If phil doesn't want to share certain aspects of his sexuality or his relationship than I respect that.

What I know for sure is if Dan is ready to open up about sexuality than he will eventually be open to disclosing his relationship (unless it's phil) in the future. If he chooses to stay quiet and philly is living with him than that will be very telling of the nature of their relationship

(Spelling and grammar is horrible because I'm using my phone... I promise I know how to capitalize )

[swofro]

The website went down when I finally have a contribution to make.

Anyway, Liam Dryden post this on instagram.


Caption: Found on the ground in Brighton, where the Phandom is apparently making a killing

I think it was funny because it really sounds like what phandom might do, a cult meeting of sorts.

[hazeygal212]

Phil isn't as vocal with the Phil Trash #1 or the over protectiveness but then again that doesn't really scream Phil to me. He is a man who lets his actions speak instead of his words (unless its an angry DM ). He seems like a man that is comfortable and confident in his relationship with Dan, enough that he doesn't need to scream it but instead can show it through tiny gestures and clips.

We could also add to the discussion that Dan is pushed a lot more often than Phil to be vocal about it, like a balance for the 2012 stuff, he knows what the fans think of that.

Let me explain this better:
The fans push him to say this stuff a lot more than Phil because they know it's how he felt before 2012 when he denied it
And also, I bet he knows how most people atribute the worst of 2012 to him and his vocal-ness against phan while Phil mostly kept quiet and danced to the music when necessary to disperse rumors.
The amount of praise he receives wherever he express his love for Phil might help too in him being more and more confident in showing his feelings.
Also, people do see Phil as more the reserved type (including me) even if in early phan days he was just as vocal about things as Dan was.

idk, I hope I'm making sense

i've noticed recently that if anyone is denying phan nowadays its phil! in the liveshow the other day dan laid down and phil was like "well now where do i sit?" and dan patted the space his legs and body made and went "right here duh."
it was extremely cute but phil did not take up the offer. dan seems to be embracing his sexuality more, while phil seems stuck in the days of 2012. phil wasn't aggressive like dan back then, but he was just as dismissive of phan in general.
its interesting to me. we all thought dan was the one who couldnt accept being bi/gay (if he actually was) but maybe phil was the one who wanted to hide their relationship?? it makes sense being that he was the maker of the voldy video. that must have been such a breach of privacy for him, i wouldn't be surprised if he was tramautized!
my new theory is that phil may have ended the relationship/put it on hold/decided to hide it and bc dan was so hurt he became extremely angry about phan shipping.
brb i just made myself really sad picturing brokenhearted dan having to read comments about him and his ex boyfriend 24/7 </3

yeah, there's that possibility but I'm gonna admit my brain actively tries to never go there because it makes me incredibly sad.
I always like to thinks only on the 'happier' note of them either never having been together or being together the whole time.
My poor heart can't handle thinking about a phan breakup if there was a relationship at some point.

oh yeah i 100% agree. i think if they did break up they're probably back together now based on how happy and together they are all the time. i just meant maybe we've had it all wrong about dan being the pushback against phan. as well all know dan is an oversharer, so i think it's completely possible phil was the one who didn't want it public. dan's behavior in 2012 reminds me a bit of my first breakup, i was mad as hell and acted as if i had never liked the person, the idea disgusted me etc. maybe that's what we were seeing with him, and if they're back together now then maybe he's ready to be open about it but phil still hasn't recovered from voldy?? idk, just some speculation

[hazeygal212]

Phil isn't as vocal with the Phil Trash #1 or the over protectiveness but then again that doesn't really scream Phil to me. He is a man who lets his actions speak instead of his words (unless its an angry DM ). He seems like a man that is comfortable and confident in his relationship with Dan, enough that he doesn't need to scream it but instead can show it through tiny gestures and clips.

We could also add to the discussion that Dan is pushed a lot more often than Phil to be vocal about it, like a balance for the 2012 stuff, he knows what the fans think of that.

Let me explain this better:
The fans push him to say this stuff a lot more than Phil because they know it's how he felt before 2012 when he denied it
And also, I bet he knows how most people atribute the worst of 2012 to him and his vocal-ness against phan while Phil mostly kept quiet and danced to the music when necessary to disperse rumors.
The amount of praise he receives wherever he express his love for Phil might help too in him being more and more confident in showing his feelings.
Also, people do see Phil as more the reserved type (including me) even if in early phan days he was just as vocal about things as Dan was.

idk, I hope I'm making sense

i've noticed recently that if anyone is denying phan nowadays its phil! in the liveshow the other day dan laid down and phil was like "well now where do i sit?" and dan patted the space his legs and body made and went "right here duh."
it was extremely cute but phil did not take up the offer. dan seems to be embracing his sexuality more, while phil seems stuck in the days of 2012. phil wasn't aggressive like dan back then, but he was just as dismissive of phan in general.
its interesting to me. we all thought dan was the one who couldnt accepted being bi/gay (if he actually was) but maybe phil was the one who wanted to hide their relationship?? it makes sense being that he was the maker of the voldy video. that must have been such a breach of privacy for him, i wouldn't be surprised if he was tramautized!
my new theory is that phil may have ended the relationship/put it on hold/decided to hide it and bc dan was so hurt he became extremely angry about phan shipping.
brb i just made myself really sad picturing brokenhearted dan having to read comments about him and his ex boyfriend 24/7 </3

Sorry but what :wtf: I think you might be projecting fanfiction to the real life relationship of DP. Don't worry I thought that at one point but I cleared my head a little from the 2012 AU's. That being said I think you make a great point Phil being more inclined to discourage phan. I think it might be his way of distancing himself from dan and his eventual coming out?? Another reason may be that if both play the game it takes away from the ambiguity of to their relationship and everything becomes a service to the fans instead of a meaningful relationship between two peope who love each other. I think that having a balance between the two is crucial. Do I wish to see the day where Phil comes out on stage with a rainbow speedo with a Dan trash #1 t-shirt on yes, but I'm also realistic that it's not going to happen. If phil doesn't want to share certain aspects of his sexuality or his relationship than I respect that.

What I know for sure is if Dan is ready to open up about sexuality than he will eventually be open to disclosing his relationship (unless it's phil) in the future. If he chooses to stay quiet and philly is living with him than that will be very telling of the nature of their relationship

(Spelling and grammar is horrible because I'm using my phone... I promise I know how to capitalize )

haha i actually don't read much fanfic but i do have a tendency to be dramatic so apologies if my post was a tad angsty!
i do genuinely think a previous break up is a possibility though, based on how vehemently dan used to deny it. i think it's incredibly likely that they were together at some point, so to me, the best explanation for 2012 is a temporary break up.
i completely agree with what you said about fan service though- if both of them came out, people would focus so much on their relationship that they might not get recognized for their content. they both seem like people who really care about their work, and don't want it to be overlooked because of their sexuality or relationships
but whatever the nature of their relationship they seem very happy now!

[LurkingTrash]

Phil isn't as vocal with the Phil Trash #1 or the over protectiveness but then again that doesn't really scream Phil to me. He is a man who lets his actions speak instead of his words (unless its an angry DM ). He seems like a man that is comfortable and confident in his relationship with Dan, enough that he doesn't need to scream it but instead can show it through tiny gestures and clips.

We could also add to the discussion that Dan is pushed a lot more often than Phil to be vocal about it, like a balance for the 2012 stuff, he knows what the fans think of that.

Let me explain this better:
The fans push him to say this stuff a lot more than Phil because they know it's how he felt before 2012 when he denied it
And also, I bet he knows how most people atribute the worst of 2012 to him and his vocal-ness against phan while Phil mostly kept quiet and danced to the music when necessary to disperse rumors.
The amount of praise he receives wherever he express his love for Phil might help too in him being more and more confident in showing his feelings.
Also, people do see Phil as more the reserved type (including me) even if in early phan days he was just as vocal about things as Dan was.

idk, I hope I'm making sense

i've noticed recently that if anyone is denying phan nowadays its phil! in the liveshow the other day dan laid down and phil was like "well now where do i sit?" and dan patted the space his legs and body made and went "right here duh."
it was extremely cute but phil did not take up the offer. dan seems to be embracing his sexuality more, while phil seems stuck in the days of 2012. phil wasn't aggressive like dan back then, but he was just as dismissive of phan in general.
its interesting to me. we all thought dan was the one who couldnt accept being bi/gay (if he actually was) but maybe phil was the one who wanted to hide their relationship?? it makes sense being that he was the maker of the voldy video. that must have been such a breach of privacy for him, i wouldn't be surprised if he was tramautized!
my new theory is that phil may have ended the relationship/put it on hold/decided to hide it and bc dan was so hurt he became extremely angry about phan shipping.
brb i just made myself really sad picturing brokenhearted dan having to read comments about him and his ex boyfriend 24/7 </3

yeah, there's that possibility but I'm gonna admit my brain actively tries to never go there because it makes me incredibly sad.
I always like to thinks only on the 'happier' note of them either never having been together or being together the whole time.
My poor heart can't handle thinking about a phan breakup if there was a relationship at some point.

oh yeah i 100% agree. i think if they did break up they're probably back together now based on how happy and together they are all the time. i just meant maybe we've had it all wrong about dan being the pushback against phan. as well all know dan is an oversharer, so i think it's completely possible phil was the one who didn't want it public. dan's behavior in 2012 reminds me a bit of my first breakup, i was mad as hell and acted as if i had never liked the person, the idea disgusted me etc. maybe that's what we were seeing with him, and if they're back together now then maybe he's ready to be open about it but phil still hasn't recovered from voldy?? idk, just some speculation

I agree a lot with you, the fact that this possibility sounds very real and dan's behavior would be explained a lot better than ever it's kinda why I stay away from that subject. Lame, I know.
I'm just really into phan lately because independent of what they are and what they went through it looks like they are really happy with their choices now and are working on building a place where they can be comfortable with, be it out or not.
I'll just stop being sappy about them right now (what late nights do to me) because this isn't the place for that

[Ticia]

Just coming here to say I wrote a messy and lengthy review of TATINOF on the Charlotte, NC thread if anyone happens to be interested.

Thank you! Hope you had an amazing time


About Phil and Phan: It's true that he doesn't encourage the phandom the way Dan does, but there have been countless of sexual innuendos from Phil (many of them directed to Danny boy), and well, bear in mind that he's nearing his thirties and has always been quite secretive from his personal life In my opinion, he just does what he feels comfortable with according to his personality and overall phandom situation: if not, videos like the one recording Dan from his bed wouldn't have seen the light, ever.

[catch]

Maybe I'm the minority but I actually prefer if they film videos right now even if just for the gaming channel than to watch months old prerecorded footage. Just for the authenticity feeling.

Just wanted to very much agree with this (7 and a half years later, sorry!). Not that I would have minded more prefilmed videos, but the prospect of a completely fresh (well..) one from a new place excites me a lot more. Even if it's just in front of the mustard hotel room wall I'm sure that'll spice things up somehow – whether it's in the setting or their mood, which I really enjoyed in the ls.

Anyway carry on

[Kathrynxjane]

The website went down when I finally have a contribution to make.

Anyway, Liam Dryden post this on instagram.


Caption: Found on the ground in Brighton, where the Phandom is apparently making a killing

I think it was funny because it really sounds like what phandom might do, a cult meeting of sorts.

Haha brilliant. I wouldn't put it past the Phandom at all! It is like a sort of cult sometimes

[oqua]

How much do you guys think they film each other just for themselves? Do you think they have full edited vlogs or short clips like the LAP videos and Japhan Instagram videos that we never see? Or videos that they make for each other and don't post on Youtube?

Or videos they make for each other and do post on YouTube but not publicly.....*ahem*

Aside from the existence of Voldy, we also know that:
- Dan takes photos of Phil (and other people) without their knowledge (judging by his comment on his video with Tyler, and from that photo of Phil he posted on Twitter once)
- Phil has random af videos on his computer that we've never seen ("Secret Files" video)
- Phil watches old Dil videos when Dan is away, for nostalgia (second "Sleepless Night" video

I don't know about fully edited vlogs, but I'm sure they privately film themselves doing stuff all the time. Like then they go on vacation and stuff, or when they're sitting around the house. I'm not sure if this will make total sense, but you know how parents of young children often film their kids all the time, like when they go on trips, or even just in everyday life while they're in the car or playing in the yard or whatever? I feel like Dan and Phil kind of act like that, except with each other instead of with kids. Like Phil spontaneously starts filming Dan when he thinks he's doing something entertaining or looking particularly hot, or when something funny is going on or something, and vice versa.

Reminds me of Dans Jamaica picture under the blue sun. Also in mimei's vlog out can see Dan in the background filming Phil and the TABINOF Japhan pics are taken by each other

We get a cheeky wink from Dan

Oh yeah, and I just remembered all those cute pictures they took of each other in Portugal in 2010, like:

And other cute pictures, such as this one which is so adorable I'll never get over it:

[spider]

No doubt in my mind now that there are many photos and cute videos we'll never see. Maybe I'm in a sappy mood but that's somehow not frustrating at all. It warms the cockles of my cold middle aged nose pervert heart.

Or videos they make for each other and do post on YouTube but not publicly.....*ahem*

Brought this up during one of the too many vday discussions but does anyone think there might have been more videos they made for each other and posted privately on Youtube that weren't unprivated? Or that the rumored second vday video was real?

I feel like Dan and Phil kind of act like that, except with each other instead of with kids. Like Phil spontaneously starts filming Dan when he thinks he's doing something entertaining or looking particularly hot, or when something funny is going on or something, and vice versa.

The phan sex tape is out there somewhere.

[SquishPhan]

A lot of times I find myself thinking how much I like that Dan is fairly effusive with his feelings towards Phil (Phil trash #1, beautiful flower, too adorable, etc, etc) and wishing Phil was more open with his feelings/affection for Dan (voldy excluded). But I find it heart-warming that what's they can be together pretty much 24/7, and Phil doesn't like that he can't talk to Dan while they run. Reminds me of the gaming video where Phil was apart from Dan for 10 hours and was glad to be back because he had so much to tell him. It's an interesting window into their lives, if only a tiny one.

I love this topic I feel like Phil has a different way of expressing his adoration and love for Dan. It started out with his endless support and encouragement but through the years we see little signs that Phil really hold Dan in high regards. Look at his listed Youtube channels and you can see that Dan is listed in both AP and LAP. I feel like we see Phil's love or affections shine through in videos and vlogs. When he captures soft Dan playing the piano or blowing up his dinosaur inflatable. He always seems to show the side of Dan that we as viewers don't get to see. This affectionate, soft, relaxed Dan. Watch the DITL Christmas video and you'll get what I mean. The whole thing screams fond from both ends.

Phil isn't as vocal with the Phil Trash #1 or the over protectiveness but then again that doesn't really scream Phil to me. He is a man who lets his actions speak instead of his words (unless its an angry DM ). He seems like a man that is comfortable and confident in his relationship with Dan, enough that he doesn't need to scream it but instead can show it through tiny gestures and clips.

Totally agree with this, Phil just shows it a different way, but I am quite certain that he is very fond of Dan. After all most of the great pics of Dan are the ones that Phil took of him and that says something to me. Plus we sometimes got some cute Dan scenes in Phil’s videos, which Phil must have thought were cute and therefore he wanted to share those bits. Like at the end of the Japan haul video.

How much do you guys think they film each other just for themselves? Do you think they have full edited vlogs or short clips like the LAP videos and Japhan Instagram videos that we never see? Or videos that they make for each other and don't post on Youtube?

Like others have said, I am fairly certain that they have tons of pics and videos of each other just for themselves, which is adorable. In one of the videos about them doing the voices in Big Hero 6, we can actually see that Dan is filming Phil, but we have never actually seen that footage. That kind of stuff is just for them.

[annetamiau]

There is no doubt in my mind we only see about 5% of the cute stuff that goes on, and it doesn't bother me either.

Other examples of cuteness:
http://phantheraglama.tumblr.com/post/1 ... -took-this
I don't know if Phil really took the picture of Dan with the baby, but if he did... well, that's the most anti-bro they have ever been (and according to Dan's hairstyle, this seems to be around 2012 too).
(I was also looking for Dan's photo in hospital in 2010 (I think) but I can't find it).

re: 2012 break up theory: what doesn't fit into this picture, imo, is that they moved to London in the summer of 2012. Now, moving flats is a huge deal in terms of money (where I live at least, but I think this might apply to the UK too?). Moving with your parter to an expensive flat in an expensive city wouldn't be the wisest idea if your relationship was rocky/close to a break up, which is why I think the tension was due to other reasons (not knowing how to cope with all the sudden YT fame, voldy being on tumblr again, the stress of moving to a new city...).

[DryCereal]

There is no doubt in my mind we only see about 5% of the cute stuff that goes on, and it doesn't bother me either.

Other examples of cuteness:
http://phantheraglama.tumblr.com/post/1 ... -took-this
I don't know if Phil really took the picture of Dan with the baby, but if he did... well, that's the most anti-bro they have ever been (and according to Dan's hairstyle, this seems to be around 2012 too).
(I was also looking for Dan's photo in hospital in 2010 (I think) but I can't find it).

re: 2012 break up theory: what doesn't fit into this picture, imo, is that they moved to London in the summer of 2012. Now, moving flats is a huge deal in terms of money (where I live at least, but I think this might apply to the UK too?). Moving with your parter to an expensive flat in an expensive city wouldn't be the wisest idea if your relationship was rocky/close to a break up, which is why I think the tension was due to other reasons (not knowing how to cope with all the sudden YT fame, voldy being on tumblr again, the stress of moving to a new city...).

[Poe]

A lot of times I find myself thinking how much I like that Dan is fairly effusive with his feelings towards Phil (Phil trash #1, beautiful flower, too adorable, etc, etc) and wishing Phil was more open with his feelings/affection for Dan (voldy excluded). But I find it heart-warming that what's they can be together pretty much 24/7, and Phil doesn't like that he can't talk to Dan while they run. Reminds me of the gaming video where Phil was apart from Dan for 10 hours and was glad to be back because he had so much to tell him. It's an interesting window into their lives, if only a tiny one.

I love this topic I feel like Phil has a different way of expressing his adoration and love for Dan. It started out with his endless support and encouragement but through the years we see little signs that Phil really hold Dan in high regards. Look at his listed Youtube channels and you can see that Dan is listed in both AP and LAP. I feel like we see Phil's love or affections shine through in videos and vlogs. When he captures soft Dan playing the piano or blowing up his dinosaur inflatable. He always seems to show the side of Dan that we as viewers don't get to see. This affectionate, soft, relaxed Dan. Watch the DITL Christmas video and you'll get what I mean. The whole thing screams fond from both ends.

Phil isn't as vocal with the Phil Trash #1 or the over protectiveness but then again that doesn't really scream Phil to me. He is a man who lets his actions speak instead of his words (unless its an angry DM ). He seems like a man that is comfortable and confident in his relationship with Dan, enough that he doesn't need to scream it but instead can show it through tiny gestures and clips.

You put what I was thinking into words so much better than I could. Phil is indeed not the most vocal guy about being fond of Dan but at some point I found a compilation of all the times Dan was being filmed by Phil, the title was something like "From Phil's perspective..." (sorry I'm on my phone right now but I'll look for it and come back with it) and the feeling I got from all those videos was just love. It was literally the cute, calmer, day to day Dan that we normally don't get to see. And this is a big thing. It's Phil we are talking about here and he left that footage in the video after all which to me screams love

How much do you guys think they film each other just for themselves? Do you think they have full edited vlogs or short clips like the LAP videos and Japhan Instagram videos that we never see? Or videos that they make for each other and don't post on Youtube?

Based on the random photos we see of each other and little sneaky videos, I'd say that they do that a lot. And I love it. It's nice to know that they are in a happy place and they are comfortable enough with us to show us even that little 5%, as someone said. But really, I'm glad they have little moments that they want to film and have them just for their own enjoyment because this shows us just how much they actually mean to each other most likely in a more than platonic way be it platonic or not.

[annetamiau]

Thanks IckleMissMayhem!!! That was the picture I was looking for.

Speaking of Phil: sometimes people make it seem like he was deeply traumatised by voldy, and I do agree that now (meaning from 2012 on) he shares even less than he used to, and that this might very well be a consequence of voldy. However, there is this moment that I don't know how to read exactly: it was a radio show moment, probably in 2014, and he said to Dan: 'Remember when we went to see Avatar and we got those 3D glasses?' and Dan answered 'Yes' but his face went 'Oh sh*t'. I have the theory that Phil secretely enjoys winding Dan up with suggestive comments in the radio show (RIP), but if Phil said this, doesn't it mean he is not that traumatised by it now? (I mean, it's been 4-5 years, I agree when it happened it must have been horrible for him and Dan).

By the way, I'm horrible with computers and, again, I'm unable to find this moment, but it's on tumblr a lot (3 or 4 gifs). It's kind of sad that I remember the conversation by heart.

[lor_192]

Thanks IckleMissMayhem!!! That was the picture I was looking for.

Speaking of Phil: sometimes people make it seem like he was deeply traumatised by voldy, and I do agree that now (meaning from 2012 on) he shares even less than he used to, and that this might very well be a consequence of voldy. However, there is this moment that I don't know how to read exactly: it was a radio show moment, probably in 2014, and he said to Dan: 'Remember when we went to see Avatar and we got those 3D glasses?' and Dan answered 'Yes' but his face went 'Oh sh*t'. I have the theory that Phil secretely enjoys winding Dan up with suggestive comments in the radio show (RIP), but if Phil said this, doesn't it mean he is not that traumatised by it now? (I mean, it's been 4-5 years, I agree when it happened it must have been horrible for him and Dan).

By the way, I'm horrible with computers and, again, I'm unable to find this moment, but it's on tumblr a lot (3 or 4 gifs). It's kind of sad that I remember the conversation by heart.

[aralik]

You put what I was thinking into words so much better than I could. Phil is indeed not the most vocal guy about being fond of Dan but at some point I found a compilation of all the times Dan was being filmed by Phil, the title was something like "From Phil's perspective..." (sorry I'm on my phone right now but I'll look for it and come back with it) and the feeling I got from all those videos was just love. It was literally the cute, calmer, day to day Dan that we normally don't get to see. And this is a big thing. It's Phil we are talking about here and he left that footage in the video after all which to me screams love

i'd be very interested in seeing this video poe, please do find it and post it here

Totally agree with this, Phil just shows it a different way, but I am quite certain that he is very fond of Dan. After all most of the great pics of Dan are the ones that Phil took of him and that says something to me. Plus we sometimes got some cute Dan scenes in Phil’s videos, which Phil must have thought were cute and therefore he wanted to share those bits. Like at the end of the Japan haul video.

i watch this part at the end of the japan haul video more than i care to admit (like almost on a daily basis) just to see how dan casually sits in front of the camera while filming, it feels so real

[SquishPhan]

There is no doubt in my mind we only see about 5% of the cute stuff that goes on, and it doesn't bother me either.

Other examples of cuteness:
http://phantheraglama.tumblr.com/post/1 ... -took-this
I don't know if Phil really took the picture of Dan with the baby, but if he did... well, that's the most anti-bro they have ever been (and according to Dan's hairstyle, this seems to be around 2012 too).
(I was also looking for Dan's photo in hospital in 2010 (I think) but I can't find it).

re: 2012 break up theory: what doesn't fit into this picture, imo, is that they moved to London in the summer of 2012. Now, moving flats is a huge deal in terms of money (where I live at least, but I think this might apply to the UK too?). Moving with your parter to an expensive flat in an expensive city wouldn't be the wisest idea if your relationship was rocky/close to a break up, which is why I think the tension was due to other reasons (not knowing how to cope with all the sudden YT fame, voldy being on tumblr again, the stress of moving to a new city...).

Pretty sure that Phil did indeed take that pic of Dan.
Pics Phil takes of Dan are just the best.

Yeah I wouldn't move to another city if my relationship was on the brinks, and I doubt that they would have done so either. So that theory doesn't work for me.

[Poe]

I found a compilation of all the times Dan was being filmed by Phil, the title was something like "From Phil's perspective..." (sorry I'm on my phone right now but I'll look for it and come back with it)

Ok, guys I ventured into my tumblr likes and finally found it:
http://jilliancares.tumblr.com/post/120 ... cant-kenny

Found it on youtube too, here you go:

[pewphan]

[offtopic]this is so off topic omg, but have any of you heard of the new YouTube Simulator game? It's coming out today and I might get it because it looks like fun. http://www.youtuberslife.com sorry for interrupting the srs business phan conversation[/offtopic]

[DryCereal]

Yeah I wouldn't move to another city if my relationship was on the brinks, and I doubt that they would have done so either. So that theory doesn't work for me.

Me either, but I wouldn't be surprised if said move and the costs associated with it caused a heck of a lot of strain... Mostly I just chalk it up under "things we're not ever going to know." And that's a bloody long list(!)

[Ticia]

I found a compilation of all the times Dan was being filmed by Phil, the title was something like "From Phil's perspective..." (sorry I'm on my phone right now but I'll look for it and come back with it)

Ok, guys I ventured into my tumblr likes and finally found it:
http://jilliancares.tumblr.com/post/120 ... cant-kenny

Found it on youtube too, here you go:

What a nice video HOWEVER, their postures I feel the great need to straighten their backs, like a strict boarding school teacher. A ruler may or may not be included.

[SquishPhan]

I found a compilation of all the times Dan was being filmed by Phil, the title was something like "From Phil's perspective..." (sorry I'm on my phone right now but I'll look for it and come back with it)

Ok, guys I ventured into my tumblr likes and finally found it:
http://jilliancares.tumblr.com/post/120 ... cant-kenny

Found it on youtube too, here you go:

A very lovely video, giving me all the feels.