Dan & Phil Part 13: So Bored That This Is Our Thread Name

[Winston]

Seems tumblr didn't find Pewds' video/Phandom-taunting overly funny...

I thought it was pretty damn funny, and I really am not a fan of his. I don't get his humor or something. Or I just don't like how he looks. Something with him is off-putting. But I actually laughed, and will possibly watch again.

edit: Once again a crappy post at the freaking top of the page....

[trashqueen]

*opens idb*
*sees people reaching like their lives depend on it to 'defend' dan's heterosexuality*
*closes idb*

ok but seriously, no one here's telling you that you can can't post your opinion, your post is still there and it's not going anywhere, but you have to understand that this isn't tumblr or twitter where it's very easy to shout into the void and only interact with people that agree with you, this is a forum, so if you say something that people disagree with you're gonna get responses, idk what u expected

there's like 70 reasons why i have a problem with the dan is straight argument, 90% of those have to do w being bisexual (and tbh after reading an article that blamed amber heard's bisexuality as the reason why johnny depp was abusive towards her, instead of you know, him being an asshole, i just cannot deal with more biphobia for the day thank you very much) but there's one that doesn't and i don't understand it: how the literal fuck do you explain dan's recent behavior if you think he's straight? dont you think what he's doing is queerbaiting then? don't you think that's wrong? how do you even manage to like him if you think he's playing people like that?

and it's not just the male attraction mentions, it's also refusing to state his sexuality on that interview they did, why on earth would a straight person not say 'nah i'm straight' if they aren't queerbaiting?

can someone please explain all this reaching to me??? what kind of mental gymnastics are you doing??

[Kathrynxjane]

Ignores any fighting...

Seems tumblr didn't find Pewds' video/Phandom-taunting overly funny...

Technically the Tumblr phandom were being just as petty trying to ruin Felix's tumblr tag!!
I thought the video was fucking hilarious. Felix new style videos are amazing. He is definitely learning the British sense of humour. Sarcasm and taking the piss out of things is the way to my heart.

[DryCereal]

Ignores any fighting...

Seems tumblr didn't find Pewds' video/Phandom-taunting overly funny...

Technically the Tumblr phandom were being just as petty trying to ruin Felix's tumblr tag!!
I thought the video was fucking hilarious. Felix new style videos are amazing. He is definitely learning the British sense of humour. Sarcasm and taking the piss out of things is the way to my heart.

Me too. I also found it interesting that just the mention of him doing a tumblr tag video made him jump 6 places up the rankings.
I just wish I'd taken a screengrab of his tag the other day when he said he was about to start recording, because there wasn't actually that much to be seen.

[swofro]

Ignores any fighting...

Seems tumblr didn't find Pewds' video/Phandom-taunting overly funny...

Technically the Tumblr phandom were being just as petty trying to ruin Felix's tumblr tag!!
I thought the video was fucking hilarious. Felix new style videos are amazing. He is definitely learning the British sense of humour. Sarcasm and taking the piss out of things is the way to my heart.

Me too. I also found it interesting that just the mention of him doing a tumblr tag video made him jump 6 places up the rankings.
I just wish I'd taken a screengrab of his tag the other day when he said he was about to start recording, because there wasn't actually that much to be seen.

I also like the video because I actually like him when he's not making gaming videos, sorry pewd.

Can I know where this picture is originally from?

[DryCereal]

My tumblr feed this morning.
https://staff.tumblr.com/post/145019428 ... rrived-the

He's started on the drink tweets... Though I hope he got it all out before the show started...! #FartsAndBurps

[hunnyftw]

Pen yoink video: Bums me out. They are gracious to their fans, but it's very apparent the disconnect between talent and fan these days with them. Hard to articulate for me. It's mannerisms I've learned to understand from being behind the scenes. And I would bet you $50 that that letter never returned to D&P's hands and got tossed 5min after those girls walked away.

I think you're reaching a bit with the I bet you $50 part but other than that, I agree with you. The whole thing, especially Phil's pen grab, felt a little too professional to me. I could sense that they were in a hurry and wanted to politely but efficiently get it over with. You could argue that the only slip in their professionalism was the fact that I could sense their hastiness. Naturally these are not stone set facts but just my intuitions. However, it shows me why I'm probably not cut out for the M&G situation. The same intuitions would probably kick in.

[2old4thisshite]

I don't think he's gay baiting because I don't over analyse everything he says, every facial expression, every touch, look, dark eye circle. If I knew people were doing that to me I literally couldn't get out of bed and function.

He has said that his bisexual claims were BS attention whoring. I don't care if he is bi. I'd love he and Phil to be together but they have denied it and denied it and denied it. What more can they do?

This is the best way I can explain my position - To me, as a straight woman, bisexuality equals two sexualities: gay and hetro. If a man tells me he's not gay then I assume he's straight. If he says he's not gay but he's actually bi, then, to me, he's a liar and an ass.

I must say, you defend your claims on Dan's sexuality very aggressively.

[Winston]

*opens idb*
*sees people reaching like their lives depend on it to 'defend' dan's heterosexuality*
*closes idb*

ok but seriously, no one here's telling you that you can can't post your opinion, your post is still there and it's not going anywhere, but you have to understand that this isn't tumblr or twitter where it's very easy to shout into the void and only interact with people that agree with you, this is a forum, so if you say something that people disagree with you're gonna get responses, idk what u expected

there's like 70 reasons why i have a problem with the dan is straight argument, 90% of those have to do w being bisexual (and tbh after reading an article that blamed amber heard's bisexuality as the reason why johnny depp was abusive towards her, instead of you know, him being an asshole, i just cannot deal with more biphobia for the day thank you very much) but there's one that doesn't and i don't understand it: how the literal fuck do you explain dan's recent behavior if you think he's straight? dont you think what he's doing is queerbaiting then? don't you think that's wrong? how do you even manage to like him if you think he's playing people like that?

and it's not just the male attraction mentions, it's also refusing to state his sexuality on that interview they did, why on earth would a straight person not say 'nah i'm straight' if they aren't queerbaiting?

can someone please explain all this reaching to me??? what kind of mental gymnastics are you doing??

Ok since I am still awake and can't keep my yap shut, I just want to add a little something to this Gay/straight/Bi convo.

I am new-ish to the phandom, and I first started with Dan's more recent stuff. Three videos in I wondered about his sexuality. I did start with a Tyler Oakley colab but that is not the reason I questioned it. Wondered who "Phil" was when Tyler mentioned him in the video. Then some more videos in I didn't at all think he was straight but I didn't think he was gay either. I am just using this as an example.

If you remove the history from the Dan and Phil universe and go with just the past year, the content points strongly towards not straight, possibly gay. I believe he is bi as he had a gf for so long (and seemed to genuinely like having a girlfriend) but leans more to male attraction. I have known people to not 'know" their sexuality until later in life. Dan is older now than he was in 2012 and back then even with the "not gay" statements, the fact that he never says "nah, M8 I'm straight" say something. He may not have really known what he was, but he knew he was attracted to not just woman.

There was one of those question things (I cant think, it's late) where someone asked if he was pansexual. If he was straight he would have just said "nope, straight". Instead he paused, and googled pansexual. To me that says that he knew he wasn't straight, and was seeing if there was possibly something that better described his sexuality. He then answered, he had to be physically attracted to the person. Not "they have to have tits" or whatever.

I’m just saying that now that he is older he may finally be getting comfortable with his actual sexuality and not the sexuality he thinks he shouldn’t show. I mean the man has a (male) butt chair in his room. (stereotyping; but a joke...kind of). I really want to meet a straight man who would purchase a chair shaped like a man’s back/butt.

As for Phil’s sexuality, I almost think most people just think he is Bi but don’t really debate about it because he doesn't (hasn’t really done much) to negate it. His sexuality is almost a nonentity.

And if they are both Bi, that does not mean that they are a couple. That in itself is a whole other debate (that has of course been discussed a million times over).

*(sorry if this really makes no sense I have literally been up for 24 hours now. Insomnia is real fun . ) And hopefully I don't offend anyone. I truly do not mean to.

[boredtears]

I don't think he's gay baiting because I don't over analyse everything he says, every facial expression, every touch, look, dark eye circle. If I knew people were doing that to me I literally couldn't get out of bed and function.

He has said that his bisexual claims were BS attention whoring. I don't care if he is bi. I'd love he and Phil to be together but they have denied it and denied it and denied it. What more can they do?

This is the best way I can explain my position - To me, as a straight woman, bisexuality equals two sexualities: gay and hetro. If a man tells me he's not gay then I assume he's straight. If he says he's not gay but he's actually bi, then, to me, he's a liar and an ass.

I must say, you defend your claims on Dan's sexuality very aggressively.

You erase his sexuality, and bisexuality, very aggressively

[swofro]

I figured this one hasn't been posted yet.
How shitty watercolour interprets his coming exam tips video.

I hope Dan said protip at least once.

[Ticia]

Why do people keep insisting on erasing the possibility of them being bisexual, or even denying this attraction category as a whole? WHY? That's extremely ignorant, to say the least *clutching my straight woman pearl necklace*.

AND NOW, LET'S TALK ABOUT HOUSEPLANTS



Ha, a penis shaped cactus, how convenient.

I'm really liking Pewds current attitude, an interesting mixture of Nordic and British humour with a light touch of "IDGAF anymore" *uploads a 10 minute video with a naked tracksuit*

[offtopic]The content drought (and boredom) is so real I started binge-watching crack fan videos. pls halp![/offtopic]

[ironic]

Re: depression

Depression: There's a whoollee lot of projection going on in the phandom re: that topic. But as some of you mentioned, most people go through bouts of situational depression in their pre-teens and teens. It's normal, it's often hormonal, and it's a part of life. Kids struggle. It's part of becoming your own person. Struggles with identity and society and really just becoming aware of the world around you and the reality of your part in it all. That being said, often times people who struggle with clinical depression hide it rather well and are not often going to wear it like a t-shirt. Depression can be hidden, even moreso if you choose what parts of yourself to publicly show the internet/world. Unless he outright said "yes, I have clinical depression.", then we will literally never know for sure.

Absolutely agree with this difficulty, and you put it well. except your point kind of highlights why it is so damaging to equate institutional diagnosis as the only accepted method of receiving empathy or having a relatable connection with others who may be suffering.

Dan literally said depression was in his head in march 2014:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxNUqRZ ... l=catrific
7.50

and many, many more things beyond that narrow institutional diagnosis label over the years about being unhappy, and social anxiety. and yet, the (very western, i might add) trend over the last 15-20 years has been to ignore what people express and close down conversations until they seek help from within a sanctified institution, and legitimise their feelings in a way that abdicates responsibility slightly from those around them. the 'sick' are sick, the healthy are healthy, being sad is unhealthy and not worthy of a discussion unless it is framed in the context of trying to get healthier. i absolutely detest this rhetoric. it is very strong in youtube fandoms, also, i've noticed. (possibly the tumblr generation vs people who think Zoella is a lazy shit instead of a GAD sufferer).

arm-chair diagnosing a stranger and stating it as truth is poor form, but dismissing someone's own expressions about their experience is 110% just as shitty. i fail to see what the typicality of teenagers being depressed has to do with a nearly 25 year old man's back catalogue of self-expression on this issue. i hate seeing people's struggles minimised because they haven't made definitive statements, just as someone's sexuality is constantly minimised for the same reason.

I agree with you and I know that minimizing people's feelings is one of the reasons why they tend to jump under the medical terms (to be validated, to know they problems are real and important.) But at the same time I hate how people start calling every kind of sadness or struggle depression, it loses its meaning and it causes even less understanding for people (as myself, jsyk) who are barely functioning because of depression. (Though sure I know for some people it's better, for some people it's worse). And I'm not denying anyone's right to suffering, whether they're ill or not. But I don't think it's comparable.

Idk what even is this post, you actually pinpointed the problem very well.

Just wanted to explain myself because I wrote before that I think assuming someone's mental health is not good and I still think that because of reasons but I'm not a bitch, I'm all for people searching for hope wherever they can.

[mermaid blood]

This is the best way I can explain my position - To me, as a straight woman, bisexuality equals two sexualities: gay and hetro. If a man tells me he's not gay then I assume he's straight. If he says he's not gay but he's actually bi, then, to me, he's a liar and an ass.

I must say, you defend your claims on Dan's sexuality very aggressively.

why?

do you have a logical reasoning behind this thinking? I'm struggling to make sense of you.

what would it matter to you if a man told you he wasn't gay, but did like men also?
is that an important thing that needs to be revealed to you, so you can change how you behave with them? why would they be an 'ass'? is same-sex attraction a negative trait that you are owed the truth about?

[internetakeover]

I don't think he's gay baiting because I don't over analyse everything he says, every facial expression, every touch, look, dark eye circle. If I knew people were doing that to me I literally couldn't get out of bed and function.

He has said that his bisexual claims were BS attention whoring. I don't care if he is bi. I'd love he and Phil to be together but they have denied it and denied it and denied it. What more can they do?

This is the best way I can explain my position - To me, as a straight woman, bisexuality equals two sexualities: gay and hetro. If a man tells me he's not gay then I assume he's straight. If he says he's not gay but he's actually bi, then, to me, he's a liar and an ass.

I must say, you defend your claims on Dan's sexuality very aggressively.

It's hardly 'over analysing' to notice him saying 'I signed up for Speedos' when discussing Free!, or that he'd marry a young Leo DiCaprio (and Claire Danes), or that he was aroused by a male Eurovision performer, it's just listening to his words.

To be honest I just completely disagree with you about bisexuality - it's not 'half gay, half straight', it's a whole orientation in itself. I can deny being either gay or straight until the cows come home, and that's not lying because I'm bisexual, which that is a different, whole thing all of its own, not half one thing and half another.

[tigertatze]

I don't think being attracted to the same sex or talking about being attracted to the same sex means anything.

To me, as a straight woman, bisexuality equals two sexualities: gay and hetro. If a man tells me he's not gay then I assume he's straight. If he says he's not gay but he's actually bi, then, to me, he's a liar and an ass.

Gotta love waking up to all that heteronormativity & bi-/homophobia

Ignores any fighting...

Seems tumblr didn't find Pewds' video/Phandom-taunting overly funny...

Technically the Tumblr phandom were being just as petty trying to ruin Felix's tumblr tag!!
I thought the video was fucking hilarious. Felix new style videos are amazing. He is definitely learning the British sense of humour. Sarcasm and taking the piss out of things is the way to my heart.

I know who's being petty here, Staff, and it wasn't Felix

[missemma]

bless the fans with creative ideas. it must break up the m&g pics for them, which at this point are surely getting tedious... (what are you doing though, Philly?)

For sure! It's nice to see a creative photo in between the squish face ones. The creative ones and the ones with parents are my favourites, I'm hoping someone has made a compliation of all the parents m&g photos because I'm too lazy to do it, but some are really funny.

mermaid blood perfect post. Thanks for eloquently saying what I couldn't.

& same. I'm rubbish at putting into words my opinions on the current discussion, I'll just live vicariously through other peoples posts as they put it so much better than I other would. I bow down to you all

He has said that his bisexual claims were BS attention whoring.

He didn't directly say that it was the posts about him being bisexual that were "immature and attention seeking" - it was his formspring answers, of which were were many. We can't possibly know that he was directly talking about the sexuality questions as, like usual, Dan avoided specifically talking about it.

This is the best way I can explain my position - To me, as a straight woman, bisexuality equals two sexualities: gay and hetro. If a man tells me he's not gay then I assume he's straight. If he says he's not gay but he's actually bi, then, to me, he's a liar and an ass.

Could you explain it a bit more because I honestly don't get it. Why would you think he is "a liar and and ass" if he was bi? Are you trolling us?

[mermaid blood]

Re: depression

Depression: There's a whoollee lot of projection going on in the phandom re: that topic. But as some of you mentioned, most people go through bouts of situational depression in their pre-teens and teens. It's normal, it's often hormonal, and it's a part of life. Kids struggle. It's part of becoming your own person. Struggles with identity and society and really just becoming aware of the world around you and the reality of your part in it all. That being said, often times people who struggle with clinical depression hide it rather well and are not often going to wear it like a t-shirt. Depression can be hidden, even moreso if you choose what parts of yourself to publicly show the internet/world. Unless he outright said "yes, I have clinical depression.", then we will literally never know for sure.

Absolutely agree with this difficulty, and you put it well. except your point kind of highlights why it is so damaging to equate institutional diagnosis as the only accepted method of receiving empathy or having a relatable connection with others who may be suffering.

Dan literally said depression was in his head in march 2014:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxNUqRZ ... l=catrific
7.50

and many, many more things beyond that narrow institutional diagnosis label over the years about being unhappy, and social anxiety. and yet, the (very western, i might add) trend over the last 15-20 years has been to ignore what people express and close down conversations until they seek help from within a sanctified institution, and legitimise their feelings in a way that abdicates responsibility slightly from those around them. the 'sick' are sick, the healthy are healthy, being sad is unhealthy and not worthy of a discussion unless it is framed in the context of trying to get healthier. i absolutely detest this rhetoric. it is very strong in youtube fandoms, also, i've noticed. (possibly the tumblr generation vs people who think Zoella is a lazy shit instead of a GAD sufferer).

arm-chair diagnosing a stranger and stating it as truth is poor form, but dismissing someone's own expressions about their experience is 110% just as shitty. i fail to see what the typicality of teenagers being depressed has to do with a nearly 25 year old man's back catalogue of self-expression on this issue. i hate seeing people's struggles minimised because they haven't made definitive statements, just as someone's sexuality is constantly minimised for the same reason.

I agree with you and I know that minimizing people's feelings is one of the reasons why they tend to jump under the medical terms (to be validated, to know they problems are real and important.) But at the same time I hate how people start calling every kind of sadness or struggle depression, it loses its meaning and it causes even less understanding for people (as myself, jsyk) who are barely functioning because of depression. (Though sure I know for some people it's better, for some people it's worse). And I'm not denying anyone's right to suffering, whether they're ill or not. But I don't think it's comparable.

Idk what even is this post, you actually pinpointed the problem very well.

Just wanted to explain myself because I wrote before that I think assuming someone's mental health is not good and I still think that because of reasons but I'm not a bitch, I'm all for people searching for hope wherever they can.

I agree, I don't like conflating the breadth of human emotion with debilitating dysfunction either. is it necessary, though, to diagnose a person through their statements in order to assign how much empathy they are owed? I wouldn't call Dan clinically depressed nor suffering from social anxiety disorder until he himself did, but that doesn't change the fact he's said his head is filled with depression, that he cries after social situations where he can't function, and uses avoidance tactics. all those behaviours overlap with DSM criteria, but that's not the point. he says these things, in the same breadth that he says he is happy and excited and hopeful, and demonstrates the same. humans are complex creatures. they can be and feel many things simultaneously, healthy and sick. managed successfully, and dysfunctional.

to be empathetic is just to listen to someone's experiences, negative and positive, and integrate them into your understanding of them. accept that it is real to them, and affects them to whatever degree it does. not qualify it by insisting on a definitive admission of pathology, minimise it by insinuating they reveal personal things that are untrue or exaggerated in order to profit from reliability with an audience, and/or because their struggle is negated by how successful, happy and loved they otherwise are. i see this with Dan in particular a LOT. that kind of dismissal very much echoes the dismissal of someone's attraction statements in a world where their attraction is taboo, politically discriminated against and a minority experience - i can't help but think it all comes from places within people severely lacking the ability to walk in someone else's shoes. and lack of empathy will literally be the death of this planet.

[DryCereal]

Ignores any fighting...

Seems tumblr didn't find Pewds' video/Phandom-taunting overly funny...

Technically the Tumblr phandom were being just as petty trying to ruin Felix's tumblr tag!!
I thought the video was fucking hilarious. Felix new style videos are amazing. He is definitely learning the British sense of humour. Sarcasm and taking the piss out of things is the way to my heart.

I know who's being petty here, Staff, and it wasn't Felix

Somebody at tumblr HQ clearly had sense of humour failure overnight. I don't think there was any malice coming from either side until right then. (Dan's apology comment on the vid seems a bit OTT as well... Maybe he is overtired... Have some fun with it Dan, you've been #1 on tumblr for fuck knows how long! )

Pen yoink video: Bums me out. They are gracious to their fans, but it's very apparent the disconnect between talent and fan these days with them. Hard to articulate for me. It's mannerisms I've learned to understand from being behind the scenes. And I would bet you $50 that that letter never returned to D&P's hands and got tossed 5min after those girls walked away.

I think you're reaching a bit with the I bet you $50 part but other than that, I agree with you. The whole thing, especially Phil's pen grab, felt a little too professional to me. I could sense that they were in a hurry and wanted to politely but efficiently get it over with. You could argue that the only slip in their professionalism was the fact that I could sense their hastiness. Naturally these are not stone set facts but just my intuitions. However, it shows me why I'm probably not cut out for the M&G situation. The same intuitions would probably kick in.

Right from the get-go on that video there's someone in the background trying to brush off the fans and chivvy inside.
They stopped, they had a brief chat, did pic(s) and signed stuff, yet again putting interacting with fans (however quickly) above the wishes of those, well, those whose lives/work would be easier if they could box up and transport them from place to place and event to event like the set pieces(!)
I don't think it's fair to slate them until/unless we start seeing them ignoring/marching past fans waiting for them without so much as a "hi/how're you doing"

[missemma]

I must surround myself with a lot of tired motherfuckers because the dark circles don't phase me at all. It ain't nothing a bit of peach-colored corrector can't fix, honey.
Maybe I'm more distracted by the brown suedey looking upholstery behind him. Since they're on their way to a new venue, I'm assuming the photo was taken on the bus... so hey, we finally get to see the inside of their bus... kinda.

Come on busgate!

Can I re-open #busgate?

So, that photo of Dan in his pj's, clearly on the bus (right) even when he's trying to show us as minimal as possible. Look at this photo and tell me you don't see Phil in the reflection, haha!



Just me then? I'll get my coat

[Anonymousse]

This is the best way I can explain my position - To me, as a straight woman, bisexuality equals two sexualities: gay and hetro. If a man tells me he's not gay then I assume he's straight. If he says he's not gay but he's actually bi, then, to me, he's a liar and an ass.

I think this is the weirdest thing I have ever read.

This OBVIOUSLY doesn't matter if he identifies as Pan rather than Bi, right? Because only Bi equals the word two, right?

What about women also, does that make a difference, I'm actually curious.

[Winston]

I must surround myself with a lot of tired motherfuckers because the dark circles don't phase me at all. It ain't nothing a bit of peach-colored corrector can't fix, honey.
Maybe I'm more distracted by the brown suedey looking upholstery behind him. Since they're on their way to a new venue, I'm assuming the photo was taken on the bus... so hey, we finally get to see the inside of their bus... kinda.

Come on busgate!

Can I re-open #busgate?

So, that photo of Dan in his pj's, clearly on the bus (right) even when he's trying to show us as minimal as possible. Look at this photo and tell me you don't see Phil in the reflection, haha!



Just me then? I'll get my coat

I thought so too, but didn't want to say.... also it is very bright in that bunk. To my knowledge bunks on buses don't have that much light. Light yes, but that looks pretty bright in there tbh. So he must be laying down where?

[The_Blonde]

For sure! It's nice to see a creative photo in between the squish face ones. The creative ones and the ones with parents are my favourites, I'm hoping someone has made a compliation of all the parents m&g photos because I'm too lazy to do it, but some are really funny.

I LOVE the parents m&g photos! Especially if there are dads involved for some reason - there was a great one last week where the dad was basically "don't know who these guys are but getting my money's worth " - I'd love a compilation of them.

This is the best way I can explain my position - To me, as a straight woman, bisexuality equals two sexualities: gay and hetro. If a man tells me he's not gay then I assume he's straight. If he says he's not gay but he's actually bi, then, to me, he's a liar and an ass.

Adding myself to the list of people questioning you on this (sorry!) - do you extend this to bi women too, or is this just how you feel about bi men? And when you say they're a liar, who exactly do you think they're lying to? Themselves, or you?

[ironic]

Well I 100% agree with you, mermaid blood (and I wish I was that eloquent in English, I love your posts.)

[idk]

to be empathetic is just to listen to someone's experiences, negative and positive, and integrate them into your understanding of them. accept that it is real to them, and affects them to whatever degree it does. not qualify it by insisting on a definitive admission of pathology, minimise it by insinuating they reveal personal things that are untrue or exaggerated in order to profit from reliability with an audience, and/or because their struggle is negated by how successful, happy and loved they otherwise are. i see this with Dan in particular a LOT. that kind of dismissal very much echoes the dismissal of someone's attraction statements in a world where their attraction is taboo, politically discriminated against and a minority experience - i can't help but think it all comes from places within people severely lacking the ability to walk in someone else's shoes. and lack of empathy will literally be the death of this planet.

echoing this and the bolded part in particular