Dan & Phil Part 13: So Bored That This Is Our Thread Name

[hiddenwombat]

i remember it being out earlier since he showed a student ID in this old video (08), but i don't remember anyone making any kind of fuss out of it.

at 0:15

thanks!

also, speaking of how phil never talks about his linguistic degree, at one minute in he holds up a massive film theory textbook. jeez, besides the fact that the both of them loveee Quentin Tarantino, when do we ever get in-depth movie talk from him?

and he also holds up a script! i would love to find out what phil is truly capable of. he's been making films since he was a child so it surprises me that he hasn't tried to do anything bigger like PJ does with his videos (forever train/oscars hotel etc)

[ironic]

Not that I don't like it but I don't particularly care.
What I meant was, it surprises me when people say a big reason why Dan has more subscribers than Phil is that he's 'objectively prettier'. Like I would never think about it that way. Idk.

Hmm. I would say that a lot of people on YT probably click on videos because the speaker is hot. That's certainly how I navigated YT back in the day. Obviously it's not the only reason why I continued to watch, but it's one of the main reasons why I clicked. It's interesting to me that that's not how you see it haha. So, you click on videos for content rather than eye candy? I do that with beauty bloggers and sometimes videos of YTers I don't watch much like shane, so I can understand that.

Ah, okay, that makes sense. Thanks for giving me some perspective. Yeah, I think I usually click when I see an interesting title or thumbnail, not because I find someone attractive. I'm not really attracted to any of the youtubers that I watch.
(And when I found Dan, I thought he was adorable, not hot )

[danphil333]

I realized this through thinking about how content that I like from Phil is things like DanandPhilCrafts, or his old vids where he either acted more confident or played an interesting character. So I guess that 'manchild' Phil for me is the one who puts himself down or acts really ditzy. I like the image of self-confident Phil, but I don't feel like I ever get to see it.

To me Phil's self-deprecation reads as a healthy amount because Phil also doesn't come off as reserved in pride about things he does, or things he does with Dan. Dan on the other hand, bothers me so much because he seems to think that the only way to approach anything creative he's done that's more than a year old is to basically call it a load of crap and laugh at it. The last radio show was sapped of sentimentality to me because it was basically an hour of Phil trying to subtly congratulate them and be proud of how far they'd come with the show, and Dan projecting embarrassment onto every single clip they showed.

I think when Phil does put himself down it's because he's acknowledging something in himself that he thinks people would realize anyway, and it comes from an honest non-persona place. Whereas with Dan he takes things that no one would actually find that bad and acts like it's excruciating constantly. Maybe he really is that prone to thinking everything he's put effort toward in the past is crap, or maybe it's because if he acts that way about everything then he doesn't have to acknowledge the things that he actually feels it's true about. But in the end that means putting himself down is completely part of the danisnotonfire persona, yet Phil is the one getting raked over the coals for it. This is why these guys have personas; because people get comfortable in their concept or grasp of who Dan and Phil are from onscreen content, and to break out of those might be what people want on some level but it also unsettles them on another.

one of the reasons i almost "admire" phil is that i never felt like he is taking advantage of his situation-fanbase and even dans popularity. And what i love even more is that he wins peoples appreciation and respect without begging for it.

And thats exactly what i hate about dan and his persona. He is literally begging for people to validate him, to feel sorry for him and pity him.

When he calls himself ugly i feel that he is only fishing for compliments. He says his video are crap so that people can baby him even more and praise him Self deprecation is part of his brand (and yes part of his personality and the real dan howell and his issues) but it stopped being funny ages ago. Everyone says that dan knows the phandom more than anyone. He knows that the moment he reblogs or tweets sth a bit "sad" the phandom will have a breakdown on his behalf and start the "DH appreciation posts" and "look how far he's come gorgeous baby love you"

I dislike those kind of attention seeking people in general especially when they have a phandom on their feet and they use it in that way. I feel like he is using them, thats what i hate

At the same time he always wants to be the one in charge. He brings people down(even phil) so that he can be seen as the smarter/ better one. And i dont mean it in the "you are so mean to phil" way. Its the subtle things he does And i know its part of his brand and how things works but it seems like its more that just a brand/persona. its him that has a problem . He interrupts everyone but the moment someone interrupts him you can see it in his face how much he hates it. He can joke and make fun of others but noone else can make fun of him because mr daniel cant take it. (i dont want to look like the phil defense squad, it has nothing to do with phil)

Phil doesnt seem to have a problem with being the "sidekick" or the "hot one and his friend" and thats admirable. IMO things would never work out if dan was the one with less subs(still) , the less "successful" or the least pretty one. He couldnt handle it.

[eevee]

I don't want something much more serious from them and if I want something deep or meaningful I'll go watch some documentary, read books but youtube isn't my source for deeper content, it's a place were I laugh and occasionaly find videos put by university teachers/ students.

This is like, exactly how I feel. I don't really feel the need for Phil to talk about serious things because YT is like a stress reliever, not like a let's-get-srs time. Idk. I guess if he found a balance between being super serious and lighthearted it'd be okay, but for now I really like how lighthearted he is and it's a nice escape from reality. His personality is also so unique that I would hate to say goodbye to it, I'm really fond of it. That being said if he decided to rebrand I would still support him!

p.s I Have No Idea What The Actual Fuck That Urban Dictionary Thing Is wtf

Ah, okay, that makes sense. Thanks for giving me some perspective. Yeah, I think I usually click when I see an interesting title or thumbnail, not because I find someone attractive. I'm not really attracted to any of the youtubers that I watch.
(And when I found Dan, I thought he was adorable, not hot )

Trigger Warning :

sex mention

Wow really? I would literally love to have sex with 99% of the Youtubers I watch. (where's a drooling smiley when you need it?)

[DryCereal]

Seriously, these two need to knock it off with the "upload 5 mins after I go to sleep" BS they've been pulling recently.

I liked the vid. (Pleasantly) surprised to get the sketches, and it did make me smile/giggle nostalgically, and it IS something you still think about in your mid 20s, and into your 30s... (without at all wanting to go back and have to do school/college/uni exams... BTW, cheers to those harping on about dropping out of uni somehow meaning he shouldn't or can't offer advice on revising - trust me, that doesn't mean you either haven't done well academically up to that point, or don't know how to study for exams, just a little point I'd like to make. )

Trigger Warning :

As for that which must not be named, (Yes, I think it's real. Ye be warned.)

I've said it before, but Phil's total silence on the whole thing whilst working in the background to quietly "get rid" - it ties in with the actions speak louder than words vibe that i get from him a lot, and I'm not surprised - having that video suddenly public for anyone to see ...I cant even imagine how awful that must have been, and I'm not in the least surprised either that Phil kept quiet, or, for that matter, that Dan went on an all-out overly-defensive denial/attack over it.

Lowkey hoping for a semi-serious makeup tutorial from . Not even kidding. TELL ME YOUR SECRETS, YOU SEEMINGLY FLAWLESS BASTARDS.

[eevee]

Trigger Warning :

As for that which must not be named, (Yes, I think it's real. Ye be warned.)

I've said it before, but Phil's total silence on the whole thing whilst working in the background to quietly "get rid" - it ties in with the actions speak louder than words vibe that i get from him a lot, and I'm not surprised - having that video suddenly public for anyone to see ...I cant even imagine how awful that must have been, and I'm not in the least surprised either that Phil kept quiet, or, for that matter, that Dan went on an all-out overly-defensive denial/attack over it.

I'm gonna be real, I kinda think that they meant to upload it at first and then changed their minds for some reason. Why else would it be on YT in the first place, even if it was unlisted/private/whatever, when you can just send the video file to him or show him in person? Idk I think that Phil wanted to upload it and Dan didn't. Just my personal theory.

Lowkey hoping for a semi-serious makeup tutorial from . Not even kidding. TELL ME YOUR SECRETS, YOU SEEMINGLY FLAWLESS BASTARDS.

Honestly I think they have personal stylists for hair/makeup. So they probably don't do it themselves.

[NarrysCanary]

Trigger Warning :

As for that which must not be named, (Yes, I think it's real. Ye be warned.)

I've said it before, but Phil's total silence on the whole thing whilst working in the background to quietly "get rid" - it ties in with the actions speak louder than words vibe that i get from him a lot, and I'm not surprised - having that video suddenly public for anyone to see ...I cant even imagine how awful that must have been, and I'm not in the least surprised either that Phil kept quiet, or, for that matter, that Dan went on an all-out overly-defensive denial/attack over it.

I'm gonna be real, I kinda think that they meant to upload it at first and then changed their minds for some reason. Why else would it be on YT in the first place, even if it was unlisted/private/whatever, when you can just send the video file to him or show him in person? Idk I think that Phil wanted to upload it and Dan didn't. Just my personal theory.

Pewdiepie has unlisted/privated videos in which he talks about Marzia and some of them were for her I think (it was at the beginning of their relationship). I guess that's just a thing that people do

[eevee]

Pewdiepie has unlisted/privated videos in which he talks about Marzia and some of them were for her I think. I guess that's just a thing that people do

that's literally asking for people to find it and speculate if you ask me but ok

[lonely trash]

Not that I don't like it but I don't particularly care.
What I meant was, it surprises me when people say a big reason why Dan has more subscribers than Phil is that he's 'objectively prettier'. Like I would never think about it that way. Idk.

Hmm. I would say that a lot of people on YT probably click on videos because the speaker is hot. That's certainly how I navigated YT back in the day. Obviously it's not the only reason why I continued to watch, but it's one of the main reasons why I clicked. It's interesting to me that that's not how you see it haha. So, you click on videos for content rather than eye candy? I do that with beauty bloggers and sometimes videos of YTers I don't watch much like shane, so I can understand that.

Ah, okay, that makes sense. Thanks for giving me some perspective. Yeah, I think I usually click when I see an interesting title or thumbnail, not because I find someone attractive. I'm not really attracted to any of the youtubers that I watch.
(And when I found Dan, I thought he was adorable, not hot )

I'm the same way. Then again, I don't find very many people attractive in any way other than "wow adorable", so yeah. I'm much more attracted to them clickbait titles.

[kooshka]

I'm gonna be real, I kinda think that they meant to upload it at first and then changed their minds for some reason. Why else would it be on YT in the first place, even if it was unlisted/private/whatever, when you can just send the video file to him or show him in person? Idk I think that Phil wanted to upload it and Dan didn't. Just my personal theory.

During the time it was uploaded it wasn't unusual to use YT as a private video sharing platform. It's much easier to send a vid through other apps nowadays but a couple years back, there weren't that many options. Even I uploaded some personal vids in Youtube, even if I'm not really that active over there.

[Ticia]

Trigger Warning :

As for that which must not be named, (Yes, I think it's real. Ye be warned.)

I've said it before, but Phil's total silence on the whole thing whilst working in the background to quietly "get rid" - it ties in with the actions speak louder than words vibe that i get from him a lot, and I'm not surprised - having that video suddenly public for anyone to see ...I cant even imagine how awful that must have been, and I'm not in the least surprised either that Phil kept quiet, or, for that matter, that Dan went on an all-out overly-defensive denial/attack over it.

I'm gonna be real, I kinda think that they meant to upload it at first and then changed their minds for some reason. Why else would it be on YT in the first place, even if it was unlisted/private/whatever, when you can just send the video file to him or show him in person? Idk I think that Phil wanted to upload it and Dan didn't. Just my personal theory.

Assuming the video is real, Dan was in India with his parents when he recorded the video, so he couldn't show it to him until he got back home, and that kind of erases the romantic aspect of a Valentine's gift. About sending it to him via e-mail...it may be a possibility, of course, but why send such a large file when you can safely upload it to Youtube on private and send the link to the person? Moreover, I believe Dan complained on Twitter about the awful internet in that hotel, so Phil knew that downloading a video would've been practically impossible for him.

And now I realize I have too much (useless) knowledge on the Phan timeline

[phamnotof]

I'm gonna be real, I kinda think that they meant to upload it at first and then changed their minds for some reason. Why else would it be on YT in the first place, even if it was unlisted/private/whatever, when you can just send the video file to him or show him in person? Idk I think that Phil wanted to upload it and Dan didn't. Just my personal theory.

During the time it was uploaded it wasn't unusual to use YT as a private video sharing platform. It's much easier to send a vid through other apps nowadays but a couple years back, there weren't that many options. Even I uploaded some personal vids in Youtube, even if I'm not really that active over there.

Not to mention that Dan was in India when it was uploaded, so he 1) couldn't show him in person 2) the internet was probably relatively shit & even if there were ways to send large-ish video files in 2009 (I honestly can't remember, time is weird), it'd probably not be easy to download.

Also, in other news, I got so bored that I looked up the whisk video Dan and Tyler watched together for the first time just now. I now understand why they're not yet over it. Wow, that is scary.

[Ticia]

Also, in other news, I got so bored that I looked up the whisk video Dan and Tyler watched together for the first time just now. I now understand why they're not yet over it. Wow, that is scary.

Who knows, maybe that's the reason Dan stopped making heterosexual comments #fullinternethomo.

[phamnotof]

Also, in other news, I got so bored that I looked up the whisk video Dan and Tyler watched together for the first time just now. I now understand why they're not yet over it. Wow, that is scary.

Who knows, maybe that's the reason Dan stopped making heterosexual comments #fullinternethomo.

I mean, if anything can ruin vaginas for a person, it's that video.

[uglyamerican]

OK, does this alleged airport incident deserve an #airportgate tag? I'm don't follow Twitter or Tumblr that closely wrt to D&P - I like my info filtered, and this site excels at it...

What exactly was supposed to have happened to Dan?

[ironic]

[offtopic]

Trigger Warning :

sex mention

Wow really? I would literally love to have sex with 99% of the Youtubers I watch. (where's a drooling smiley when you need it?)

That's honestly so interesting. I can't stop laughing since I've read this post, I've never felt more demisexual before

[/offtopic]

[starlight-still]

I live for the day of Phil's rebranding as well and do believe that it will come. That being said, as an older person, his childishness doesn't really bother as much as I think it would if I were a decade or so younger. I don't know if this is other 's experience but as I've gotten older, I've started to see just about everyone as a peer. You start to realize that what we think about as maturity is, often times, a facade and we're all just human and trying to figure out this thing called life with no clear roadmap. Being able to laugh at himself, be silly, and not care about how others perceive him actually makes him look more mature to me. The older you get, the more you lose set ideas of what an adult should look like in others and in yourself.

Dan's new vid was kinda meh for me. Honestly, I stick by what I said earlier about him just chucking something out to stay on his target demographic's radar. Even he acknowledged it with his comment at the end.

[offtopic]

And like why does he like houseplants soo much? The plants don't judge him? The plants can live for a very long time? I wonder...

[/offtopic]

I'm just blabbering now.

i think he just desperately wants a pet/child/SOMETHING to take care of but he's not allowed any of that so he's collecting plant children. (they do all have names.) he keeps nagging dan for a tiny apartment friendly pet like a hamster and seeing as he grew up with pets, it probably feels like there's a small void in the house.

Interesting this should come up because I saw a movie yesterday that got me thinking about :

[offtopic]The movie was called Maggie’s Plan (stop reading now if you want to avoid minor spoilers) and the thing that got me thinking was the exploration of what makes people right for one another, and how sometimes there is a “care-er” person and a “care-ee” for lack of a better word. The care-er needs the care-ee to take their mind off themselves and focus on someone else while the care-ee needs the care-er to flourish. In the movie, the care-ee character that was right for the care-er was the one who also knew him better than himself and wasn’t afraid to tell him where his boundaries and true strengths were. Projecting and imagining here but maybe Phil is the “care-er” type and now that Dan is flourishing more on his own, he’s got these little plants to look after? Maybe they help keep him from focusing too much on himself? The other “care-er” type character in the movie kept finding different people to care for in different ways, over and over. Perhaps it is like that.[/offtopic]

It’s long past gone but I'm chucking my box game results up here for kicks (I did it along with them when I watched the video):

- Mirror rubik's/disco ball like cube on the sand, about knee high. I suppose this represents me being pretty grounded/down to earth and having a desire to “reflect” positive things about others to themselves.
- Ladder- a rope and wooden ladder touching the side of the cube and reaching/floating up to the sky. I think this might have some spiritual meaning to it, as is the case with some of my closest friendships.
- The horse: A brilliant white horse standing about five feet to the right of the cube. Just a gorgeous and majestic creature. Purity. Perhaps the white means that I will see my partner as a soul first.
- The storm: I saw something that looked like a swirling universe made of glitter and dark clouds. It didn’t feel threatening, but rather beautiful. Growth/beauty in challenges?
- The flowers: Lots of little poppies scattered all around the desert. They were bright, bright red and healthy. I don’t have kids and it’s not that I don’t want them, but I know that it may not be in the cards. So maybe this is similar to the “creative babies” thing that they said in the video or wanting to be more nurturing to others in general, which is happening as I get older.

Finally, ::sing song:: tomorrow is a no-show day and a holiday both here and in the UK will we possibly maybe get a lil ls from our sojourners from the land of 10,000 lakes (and ten billion mosquitos)? Phil. Phil. Don’t even think about it…delete that insect tweet right.now. backspace.backspace.backspace.thank.you.

[DryCereal]

Finally, ::sing song:: tomorrow is a no-show day and a holiday both here and in the UK will we possibly maybe get a lil ls from our sojourners from the land of 10,000 lakes (and ten billion mosquitos)? Phil. Phil. Don’t even think about it…delete that insect tweet right.now. backspace.backspace.backspace.thank.you.

Here's hoping for all of that.

Also, no idea why, but your post just reminded me of this:



"Sleep now little trashcans,
Dream of content new,
Tomorrow is a no-show day,
And 'bants is here for you...

Liveshows streamed from motels,
on fine form,
Good wifi means no awful lag,
Pheels all fuzzy and warm.

'Bants is here for you,
We are here for us
Goodnight best friends!"



Yup, sickening I know, but I don't care!!

[Waggle9007]

Hi guys, I've been reading here and GG for ages, but this is my first time posting, also I've been away for a few days, so I'm really sorry if this has already been bought up!! I was just watching Dan's video and noticed in the bottom of the mirror in the bathroom (at about 2:35), there's something that seems to look like Phil's laptop, but not 100% sure. Not sure if it means anything, just thought I'd bring it up in case it interested anyone Again, I'm really sorry if this has already been bought up, or if it's not relevant etc. I don't really know what I'm doing tbh

[LurkingTrash]

Hi guys, I've been reading here and GG for ages, but this is my first time posting, also I've been away for a few days, so I'm really sorry if this has already been bought up!! I was just watching Dan's video and noticed in the bottom of the mirror in the bathroom (at about 2:35), there's something that seems to look like Phil's laptop, but not 100% sure. Not sure if it means anything, just thought I'd bring it up in case it interested anyone Again, I'm really sorry if this has already been bought up, or if it's not relevant etc. I don't really know what I'm doing tbh

Good catch, it really does look like it! But it could be that it's there just because it's phil helping him film. i wonder about that new laptop and why he didn't choose that for it

[alittledizzy]

Waggle9007, ooh, good eyes! That's definitely Phil's laptop, you can see the pikachu sticker and the pandas clearly. (Picture of his laptop for comparison.)

Dan and Phil spotted with the merch crew for once, wow.

[Poe]

Waggle9007, ooh, good eyes! That's definitely Phil's laptop, you can see the pikachu sticker and the pandas clearly. (Picture of his laptop for comparison.)

Dan and Phil spotted with the merch crew for once, wow.

Quality content.

[coffee pig]

I was just wondering, has anyone on Twitter been bothering about the king-sized bed thing? I just checked the comment section of Dan's video again, and no one seemed to bring it up. I'm sincerely hoping that people won't make a deal out of it but I think that's too optimistic. I'd check it myself but I can only handle so much second-hand embarrassment without wanting to explode.

[karma_yeah]

They both have personas. They both are much more interesting to me as themselves. Or what they allow us to see as themselves. YouNow, Radio, Gaming channel etc. Of course they are still in persona mode on these, but they are less so than when they are on the main channels. I want to see the Phil that wins Cards against humanity sometimes! That is what I mean by rebranding, remove the fake and instill the real, or at least realer Phil and Dan. I know this would never happen, but little glimpses now and then would be great. It does seem to be happening in some places, but then in others it is almost exaggerated persona. I am looking at the Obama Llama vid as an example. I see real persona, but then over persona in both of them. I really like both of them as people, from what I can see of them and I think if they would show that side more they would be more relevant than they are currently. To new people I could see the over "acting" as off putting. I don't know if I am getting my point across the way I want. I have too many distractions right now to really express myself properly.

I think you are. +1 for more "real" (whatever that is - I'm not sure we really know)
together or separately.

Sometimes I wonder (project) if they are afraid hesitant to change their branding, bump up their target age group, be more themselves etc. After all, look at all that doing what they've been doing has brought them. It might feel quite risky (as opposed to risque - pun, sort of) to change the formula. And there may be others (i.e. management) who are somewhat financially dependent on them, who might exert some pressure for "staying the course".

[karma_yeah]

I've hinted at this being my opinion before, but is it reaching too much to assume that the leaking of the valentine's day video was a major factor into him closing himself up and tightening his persona? Like, we all talk about dan's reaction because he was vocal about it, but I think Phil's silence says much more. If I filmed something that intimate and then it became publicly available, I would definitely alter my image and try to avoid being put into that vulnerable state again.

I, personally, happen to agree with you, that's what I would do, although I would never be a youtuber/celebrity to begin with, so moot point.

Does anyone know about how many subscribers each had when voldy leaked the first and 2nd times?

can you tell I'm always 4-5 pages behind??!