Dan & Phil Part 14: Is This Tour Over Yet?

[Stakhanov]

Eevee I think that's what they are doing with the tour, bour and continually expanding merch. They must be making a killing on all fronts. And they still have their comfortable youtube income rolling in.

I don't think they are actually that motivated by money in general and i'm not saying the prime reason behind the tour is economical, but yea if you want to save and get less dependent on YT (which could change their shared revenue model anytime and they'd be powerless to protest it) this is what you've got to do.
I doubt they want to be just youtubers. They've always had side projects.

[coffee pig]

Below I've compiled a collection of tweets I'm going to call, "Phil Is Maybe Slightly Spoiled." It's sort of hilarious. JUST LOOK AT HOW OFTEN HIS PARENTS FEED HIM CAKE.

Definitely spoiled. I'm surprised that Phil isn't pre-diabetic at this point. As someone who is both lactose intolerant and not a dessert person, just looking at all these tweets about cake is making me nauseous. Yes, I'm preparing to be judged.

I knew that was coming. I'd rather pass on the chocolate and cake to eat more crisps and popcorn come at me bro

[pearshaped34]

When Dan was born, his mother was 26 and his father was 31. I've never understood why he thinks that counts as "quite young."

Maybe when Dan said they were "young" he was talking more in attitude then physical years because while I certainly wouldn't class them as old that's not young either. I'd be surprised if they were even the youngest parents in Dan's friendship groups growing up.
But maybe even if they weren't the youngest in years they were "cooler" then his friends parents and did stuff he associated with being young and that's why he views them that way. Which might also explain him spending a lot of time with his grandmother because doing things that would class you as being "young" are probably not all the kind of things you do with a young kid in tow.


Off topic: I watched Hazel's April monthly vlog and she thanks Phil when she mentions her increase in subscribers that month.

[eevee]

Eevee I think that's what they are doing with the tour, bour and continually expanding merch. They must be making a killing on all fronts. And they still have their comfortable youtube income rolling in.

I don't think they are actually that motivated by money in general and i'm not saying the prime reason behind the tour is economical, but yea if you want to save and get less dependent on YT (which could change their shared revenue model anytime and they'd be powerless to protest it) this is what you've got to do.
I doubt they want to be just youtubers. They've always had side projects.

You're right, they're very hard workers and put a lot into what they do imo so not only would side projects be for savings but it's also probably because they like what they do

[Anonymousse]

This is super OT:

Sorry Philly, Grace has you beat on the donuts front...

I'm sorry but is that blue donut covered with cini minis? THAT is fucking OFFENSIVE!

I hate cake

Also the crew doing better tweeting that Deppy as usual.

[flarequake]

How on earth does Phil eat all that crap yet he's currently skinnier than he's ever been? ._.

I've been wondering this for months. I wonder too if so many sweets-tweets are part of his carefully-cultivated image and maybe he doesn't eat quite as much rubbish as he makes out? He has tweeted a lot about his mum giving him cake, though, so it's probably all true. I guess his kitchen exercises really pay off It is cute that his mum looks after him like that, he is her baby after all, and good point about Martyn and their dad too, though I don't think there's anything to really go on to say so.

The lack of liveshows and the radio show regularly spaced out definitely leaves a void, though it still feels like there's less of their videos anyway. I'm surprised they pre-recorded so little and used those collabs so quickly, but they've had a lot to prepare for. It's flown by, though, I can't quite believe there's only three weeks to go. In the meantime I've become an even bigger fan of PJ. He's a fun guy.

[Stakhanov]

Well thanks again oqua for all the family tweets, one day i will be up to date to the full lore.

What i take away from all those tweets is that they seem to both be pretty close with their family. Most of the neutral ones and even the negative ones to me sound like good natured 'lol these silly parents of mine, gotta love to hate them' sorta banter. Did that make sense. My English is being very don't give a fuck it's weekend for me too

Only one tweet of Dan's imo hints at some real tension, that one where he says he had a biblical sized argument with his dad. It's from 2009. I've got this feeling it's probably related to his studies :p

[LurkingTrash]

Great! Politics talk It's not usually the sort of milkshake that brings all boys to the yard but i'm glad to meet some political junks here I apologize in advance for the text wall but not really.

We don't have much information to work with ( as usual ) but i've got a strong suspicion Dan is pretty progressive. I noticed he's following quite a few twitter accounts in the "progressive family". Labour, Jeremy Corbyn, Owen Jones and the new London mayor Sadiq Khan (and he didn't follow Boris Johnson).
He's mentioned Bernie Sanders carries has favor and the very first liveshow of Dan I watched i managed to get a response out of him after rephrasing about 25 times "yo what do you about Jeremy Corbyn" (who just got elected back then). He said something akin to "let's see what he brings" followed by a rant about how he felt much more informed about politics than the average person and hence avoided bringing it up (typical Dan being typical).

Phil's expressed political views are about as rare as dark matter's interaction with light but he strikes me a a progressive guy too, in general. If we assume his views in 2010 were influenced by his family and they live in a conservative constituency there's a better than even chance he voted for the tories. *shivers*. I'm not sure how to read his social background in a uk context, but rich parents (how do we know this? because his parent's house looks a bit big?) in tandem with a 'northern' emphasis on self reliance/fiscal austerity goes hand in hand with a conservative political philosophy.
Phil is an intelligent guy who's quite capable of forming his own political opinions though. He might be sympathetic to the views of his family or discuss them at great length under the stars with a particularly passionate sanders' girl, i don't think we can really say we know his own views.

What we can probably say with some certainty is that they're both socially liberal. Objectively speaking, they've also become pretty rich so they might theoretically have an economic incentive to vote conservative. Research shows people vote much more on sociotropic grounds rather than purely economical ones though. I sure hope they aren't to class conscious in their voting

On the topic of them not really engaging with charity causes and not talking much about the less fortunate, well.. they could be very charitable but private about it and i fear they still cling to the "i'm an entertainer so i have no controversial opinons" idea.
I think the broader fanbase should really try push them to do something for charity. Life has been generous to them, no harm in giving some back. and hey we might get some nice content with it

Not going to talk about their families because this has already gotten way to long but there's one thing i have to say to oqua There is no hope for you Your are the trash that gets thrown on the trash pile after thousands of subsaharan kids scoured it for anything useful. Your dedication makes us look like fake fans every time

I went through both of their accounts and counted up how many times each of them uses the words “family,” “parents,” “mum/mother,” and “dad/father.” I counted manually to make sure that I only included references to their OWN family/parents, not any uses of the terms to talk about other people’s families or families in general.

Here are the final tallies. Draw your own conclusions I guess.

Phil
family: 35
parents: 85
mum: 86
dad: 25
mother: 2
father: 1
TOTAL: 234

Dan
family: 11
parents: 4
mum: 13
dad: 10
mother: 1
father: 2
TOTAL: 41

Translation: Dan lowkey hates his family. Please discuss.

Also, can you imagine the shitstorm if they supported something like The Trevor Project? People would take it as confirmation of so many things bc the phandom has no chill, so while something like that could be very close to their hearts I can't imagine them publicly saying that in the near future. But I do appreciate that they always do a little something like the red nose day and all even if they talk so little about it, it's better than nothing like I see some other youtubers do.

[ironic]

I love your 'Phil Is Maybe Slightly Spoiled' tweet compilation oqua.
I totally get it though, in my dictionary cake means love (I mean have you seen the quote in my signature ). There have always been a lot of sweets in my home and we're all slim and mostly healthy so I wouldn't worry that much about Phil except for his lactose intolerance maybe. I assure you vegan cakes are just as good, Philly. Am I annoying yet

I hate cake

I'm heartbroken

[Stakhanov]

Also, can you imagine the shitstorm if they supported something like The Trevor Project? People would take it as confirmation of so many things bc the phandom has no chill, so while something like that could be very close to their hearts I can't imagine them publicly saying that in the near future. But I do appreciate that they always do a little something like the red nose day and all even if they talk so little about it, it's better than nothing like I see some other youtubers do.

Yes whatever charity they choose there will be some people criticizing it or reading half a book between the lines. An LGBT cause to me seems like a relatively safe bet? Even if half of the younger tumblr fans go off on a phan confirmed shitstorm, idr see how it changes things. By now they must have resigned themselves to the fact that part of their most dedicated fans are sure they are lgbt or a gay couple. The ship has sorta sailed, and it's coming to a huge venue near you !

I refuse to acknowledge the cake is real. There's only a cabbage and lettuce in my fridge right now. Phil is the devil in the flesh, tempting me with ever more delicious dessert tweets.

[LurkingTrash]

Oh nice my thread name got picked


How on earth does Phil eat all that crap yet he's currently skinnier than he's ever been? ._. Those donuts don't even look that good.

Phil definitely gets spoiled by his mum, it's quite cute (but my god I'd never want to marry a guy with so much attachment to his family). I kinda wonder if while Phil was/is obviously a bit of a mummy's boy, Martyn was their dads' favorite? Phil has mentioned Martyn always being the 'cooler' of the two, was he their dads' perfect son? Is that why Phil is seemingly not that close to his dad? I'm an only child, siblings and their relationships are foreign to me lol.

And yeah there's not a lot of difference in their terrible uploading schedules while on tour, but the lack of liveshows, radio and them just being the most boring they've ever been on social media makes it feel like the worst drought we've had. The most we're getting are a hundred of the same meet & greet pics almost every night, which is. sooooo. boring. Respect for @updatedphan for keeping up those endless retweets, I would've called it quits after a week :')

This bit strikes me as odd, because while I view phil's relationship with his parent's being better than it's usual out there I don't think it's bad or unhealthy or anything like that, I would say it's actually very lucky to meet someone like that (dan certainly is as he's kinda part of the famiy too), idk if it has to do with my views/culture on the subject. But I wouldn't call that like 'a guy with so much attachment to his family'. Perhaps the subject just feels bigger than it is because we're debating that in so many details right now and with a condensed timeline to look at?

Well thanks again oqua for all the family tweets, one day i will be up to date to the full lore.

What i take away from all those tweets is that they seem to both be pretty close with their family. Most of the neutral ones and even the negative ones to me sound like good natured 'lol these silly parents of mine, gotta love to hate them' sorta banter. Did that make sense. My English is being very don't give a fuck it's weekend for me too

Only one tweet of Dan's imo hints at some real tension, that one where he says he had a biblical sized argument with his dad. It's from 2009. I've got this feeling it's probably related to his studies :p

Same, thanks for saying this thing

When Dan was born, his mother was 26 and his father was 31. I've never understood why he thinks that counts as "quite young."

Maybe when Dan said they were "young" he was talking more in attitude then physical years because while I certainly wouldn't class them as old that's not young either. I'd be surprised if they were even the youngest parents in Dan's friendship groups growing up.
But maybe even if they weren't the youngest in years they were "cooler" then his friends parents and did stuff he associated with being young and that's why he views them that way. Which might also explain him spending a lot of time with his grandmother because doing things that would class you as being "young" are probably not all the kind of things you do with a young kid in tow.

Off topic: I watched Hazel's April monthly vlog and she thanks Phil when she mentions her increase in subscribers that month.

I think so too!

edit: I just about want to quote everyone I agree with in the last 2 pages but that would take a long ass time i don't have lol

[LurkingTrash]

Also, can you imagine the shitstorm if they supported something like The Trevor Project? People would take it as confirmation of so many things bc the phandom has no chill, so while something like that could be very close to their hearts I can't imagine them publicly saying that in the near future. But I do appreciate that they always do a little something like the red nose day and all even if they talk so little about it, it's better than nothing like I see some other youtubers do.

Yes whatever charity they choose there will be some people criticizing it or reading half a book between the lines. An LGBT cause to me seems like a relatively safe bet? Even if half of the younger tumblr fans go off on a phan confirmed shitstorm, idr see how it changes things. By now they must have resigned themselves part of their most dedicated fans are sure they are lgbt or a gay couple. The ship has sorta sailed, and it's coming to a huge venue near you !

With their drama-free policy it's surely a issue that crossed their minds.
But's also that thing with dammed if they do - dammed if you don't. I'm thinking it's kinda a similar situation of when the usa changed their laws about marriage equality and everyone and their mothers pressured the boys to post a twitter celebrating it because of them needing to be good examples for their audience and them the shitstorm when Dan did post a tweet about him being gay and phan being confirmed. well, I did used to only read things from the tumblr phandom so it might have been different on the rest, but it all did strike me as odd and I felt really off with the whole thing at the time.

[akui]

What we can probably say with some certainty is that they're both socially liberal. Objectively speaking, they've also become pretty rich so they might theoretically have an economic incentive to vote conservative. Research shows people vote much more on sociotropic grounds rather than purely economical ones though. I sure hope they aren't to class conscious in their voting

Ooooh I didn't know that. But I assume someone as vocal as Dan about getting American people all free medical care, it's unlikely he would vote conservative only because he got them youtube money now. Plus look at how hard he's trying to shake away his posh accent, he may call us peasant but i know he loves us.

On the topic of them not really engaging with charity causes and not talking much about the less fortunate, well.. they could be very charitable but private about it and i fear they still cling to the "i'm an entertainer so i have no controversial opinons" idea.
I think the broader fanbase should really try push them to do something for charity. Life has been generous to them, no harm in giving some back. and hey we might get some nice content with it

Idk, i think they did quite a lot of charity work? They participate in red nose day every year and that lung thingy, and more recently with the green brothers. I think there's nothing too controversial about most charities?

[jaej]

if you go to uni then 26 is, at the very most, 4 years into a career before getting pregnant, right? that's pretty young for the average mother, id say the average is closer to 30. but id say the younger is more about life experience/preparation than actual age. he's talked like his parents still had parties and did their cool jobs for the first few years when he was born. the right age for parenting is subjective, but you still know when an individual is 'pretty young' to have a child. not too young to care, obviously, but young enough that an extra 5-7 years would do masses of good in terms of development. which seems about right, tbh.

also, id look into the links between higher tax brackets and charity tbh. means you might drop a bracket, means you actually keep more money. not actually all about giving away, don't overly admire famous people who donate, it's largely for taxation purposes. not that i think d+p do that. just thinking.

[LurkingTrash]

What we can probably say with some certainty is that they're both socially liberal. Objectively speaking, they've also become pretty rich so they might theoretically have an economic incentive to vote conservative. Research shows people vote much more on sociotropic grounds rather than purely economical ones though. I sure hope they aren't to class conscious in their voting

Ooooh I didn't know that. But I assume someone as vocal as Dan about getting American people all free medical care, it's unlikely he would vote conservative only because he got them youtube money now. Plus look at how hard he's trying to shake away his posh accent, he may call us peasant but i know he loves us.

On the topic of them not really engaging with charity causes and not talking much about the less fortunate, well.. they could be very charitable but private about it and i fear they still cling to the "i'm an entertainer so i have no controversial opinons" idea.
I think the broader fanbase should really try push them to do something for charity. Life has been generous to them, no harm in giving some back. and hey we might get some nice content with it

Idk, i think they did quite a lot of charity work? They participate in red nose day every year and that lung thingy, and more recently with the green brothers. I think there's nothing too controversial about most charities?

Agreed! They just aren't as vocal about is as a few youtubers like connor and tyler sadly, but still did just as much as a lot of other youtubers.
(I really need a thanks button lol)

[blueapple_x]

Thanks for your compilation oqua!

Surprisingly I'm more intrigued by Phil's tweet about having drinks (at Applebees lol) with his parents and catrific. Where was Dan?

I think this was a year after they became friends with Cat at playlist. Were they online friends before this? I remember oqua making a compilation of dailybooth stuff and they seemed to be acquainted with her back then.

[mez29]

oqua
I like the sound of Phil's dad.

Great! Politics talk It's not usually the sort of milkshake that brings all boys to the yard but i'm glad to meet some political junks here I apologize in advance for the text wall but not really.

Phil's expressed political views are about as rare as dark matter's interaction with light but he strikes me a a progressive guy too, in general. If we assume his views in 2010 were influenced by his family and they live in a conservative constituency there's a better than even chance he voted for the tories. *shivers*. I'm not sure how to read his social background in a uk context, but rich parents (how do we know this? because his parent's house looks a bit big?) in tandem with a 'northern' emphasis on self reliance/fiscal austerity goes hand in hand with a conservative political philosophy.

Phil said on twitter a very long time ago that his parents "live on the Isle of Man some of the time", or something like that, which suggests that at least back then, they owned two houses.

[akui]

Phil's expressed political views are about as rare as dark matter's interaction with light but he strikes me a a progressive guy too, in general. If we assume his views in 2010 were influenced by his family and they live in a conservative constituency there's a better than even chance he voted for the tories. *shivers*. I'm not sure how to read his social background in a uk context, but rich parents (how do we know this? because his parent's house looks a bit big?) in tandem with a 'northern' emphasis on self reliance/fiscal austerity goes hand in hand with a conservative political philosophy.

Phil said on twitter a very long time ago that his parents "live on the Isle of Man some of the time", or something like that, which suggests that at least back then, they owned two houses.

I think i actually found Phil's dad once and he had a very very very good job.

[Stakhanov]

With their drama-free policy it's surely a issue that crossed their minds.
But's also that thing with dammed if they do - dammed if you don't. I'm thinking it's kinda a similar situation of when the usa changed their laws about marriage equality and everyone and their mothers pressured the boys to post a twitter celebrating it because of them needing to be good examples for their audience and them the shitstorm when Dan did post a tweet about him being gay and phan being confirmed. well, I did used to only read things from the tumblr phandom so it might have been different on the rest, but it all did strike me as odd and I felt really off with the whole thing at the time.

Agreed. They're in a catch 22 with the whole lgbt and phan thing.
I didn't know even their mothers chipped in and stimulated them to give that rainbow filter a workout :p ?

Ooooh I didn't know that. But I assume someone as vocal as Dan about getting American people all free medical care, it's unlikely he would vote conservative only because he got them youtube money now. Plus look at how hard he's trying to shake away his posh accent, he may call us peasant but i know he loves us.

I'm secretly in love with his posh accent in spite of my egalitarian tendencies

Idk, i think they did quite a lot of charity work? They participate in red nose day every year and that lung thingy, and more recently with the green brothers. I think there's nothing too controversial about most charities?

Hm none of those ring a bell to me, they must have completely passed me by. They were relatively low key in their support then?
I guess i'd just like them to explicitly make a video about something that is near and dear to their heart. If you're going to do spon vids, why not the occasional charity fundraise vid?
They must have been contacted by charities for all sorts of projects. I could understand their apprehension for getting to involved in the whole charity scene, but they could pick and choose some and give it a go.


Good night all and thanks for all the enriching discussion This trash can is signing out.

k. maybe just one more quick #phan tumblr search. Because it hurts to say goodbye

[pearshaped34]

Thanks for your compilation oqua!

Surprisingly I'm more intrigued by Phil's tweet about having drinks (at Applebees lol) with his parents and catrific. Where was Dan?

I think this was a year after they became friends with Cat at playlist. Were they online friends before this? I remember oqua making a compilation of dailybooth stuff and they seemed to be acquainted with her back then.

Was it not on Phil's his annual trip to Florida with the family unit? Pretty sure Applebees is an American based chain so presumably he was on the other side of the Atlantic at the time. As his parents were there I'm assuming family holiday rather then YT event.

[sweetmm]

Stakhanov isn't the story in that video is about incest?

[blueapple_x]

Thanks for your compilation oqua!

Surprisingly I'm more intrigued by Phil's tweet about having drinks (at Applebees lol) with his parents and catrific. Where was Dan?

I think this was a year after they became friends with Cat at playlist. Were they online friends before this? I remember oqua making a compilation of dailybooth stuff and they seemed to be acquainted with her back then.

Was it not on Phil's his annual trip to Florida with the family unit? Pretty sure Applebees is an American based chain so presumably he was on the other side of the Atlantic at the time. As his parents were there I'm assuming family holiday rather then YT event.

I knew he had to have been in America, but for some reason i assumed it was for playlist since Cat was there too (and i assumed it coincided with his family's annual Florida trips). But yeah it was probably for that and not playlist. Cat lived in Florida for a bit, right?

[sweetmm]

Yep Cat was in Florida then with her family.

[daphenaxa]

Stakhanov isn't the story in that video is about incest?

they're only step-brothers but yeah

[sweetmm]

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