Dan & Phil Part 20: You are my Pikachu

[missemma]

Oh, and here's your Pastel Edit. Now let it die, pleasethankyouokay?

you.

After multiple watches (I swear I must have got close to about 100x) I still think it's one of the best videos he made.
I don't hear Phil in it like others have said though, it's definitely Dan to me.
I also don't think we should read too much into the phan kawaii section, Dan remains with his ambiguity throughout, the oh? at the end of that section could be read in so many ways, as could the line about 'you get lots of views because the ship is kawaii'. He's not denying or admitting anything in that part.

This is the best bit though and I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned more:

[lor_192]

I watched the video more times than I can count..

I loved it.His best video in a long time.I didn't like the idea of him doing a roast challenge but damn boy you did well. I had to pause right after "kawai" i was so shocked he said that on his main channel.My first reaction was "dagger in my phan heart" but after the 10th watch hah I think it meant nothing really.He once again leaves us ???? but the difference is now he did it in front of a larger audience.
I also loved how fast it was and short,because it makes you watch it more and more and pause.

And the sexuallity comment ...I was surprised to say the least. Good for him,whatever it means I find it amazing that he is getting more comfortable.

He definitely threw shade at the phandom as well which i appreciate

and another thing.The video already has almost 75 000 comments .I think that's his personal record in such a short time wow.

[mermaid blood]

my very short review because i don't really have time rn: I think, after rewatching a few times and sitting on my thoughts for a while, the video just makes me feel sad for Dan? not all the roasts (any?) i've watched made me feel that. there were no real surprises for invested fans, but there may have been for casual fans, and i guess that's the point.

whilst i found a lot of the points melancholy and echoing a lot of personal and professional frustration (and none of them as a coming out, this showed he's still uncomfortable anywhere but ambiguity on the sexuality and committed relationship front); I'm proud of him if those are the things he wanted to say and he wanted them on his main channel, and he wasn't even tagged for the challenge. that's all i ask for from either of their content, so he definitely delivered. i hope he's proud of it, too.

[DryCereal]

Here's how Phil's RYC would go:


P: Hey Guys! I-

D: Oh Philip, when you smile I am undone
My [cinnamon] bun
Look at my bun. Pride is not the word I’m looking for
There is so much more inside me now
Oh Philip, you outshine the morning sun
My bun.
When you smile, I fall apart
And I thought I was so smart

[mysterylovescompany]

Here's how Phil's RYC would go:


P: Hey Guys! I-

D: Oh Philip, when you smile I am undone
My [cinnamon] bun
Look at my bun. Pride is not the word I’m looking for
There is so much more inside me now
Oh Philip, you outshine the morning sun
My bun.
When you smile, I fall apart
And I thought I was so smart

Okay, you win.

[blueapple_x]

I'm curious about whether any other friends/colleagues will (publicly) acknowledge/comment about his video lol. So far I've only seen Drew Monson and Cat do so.

[SquishPhan]

Here's how Phil's RYC would go:


P: Hey Guys! I-

D: Oh Philip, when you smile I am undone
My [cinnamon] bun
Look at my bun. Pride is not the word I’m looking for
There is so much more inside me now
Oh Philip, you outshine the morning sun
My bun.
When you smile, I fall apart
And I thought I was so smart

Totally what would happen.

[itsonlybeth]

I woke up this morning and I'm a bit dishevelled, it might be because I accepted a job offer yesterday or it might be because of this diss track! Who knows..

Anyway, someone on Tumblr posted all of the lyrics so I thought I'd copy and paste them over for a full analysis! (I'm only half joking) Credit goes to http://fireflyphil.tumblr.com

a month without uploading he comes back with a tag - whoo
that no one even tagged him he’s not a challenge to drag - ouch
so prepare for an attack and by that i mean cringe - cringe
cause this motherfuckers bout to be dragged by his fringe
first things you’re freakishly tall it’s weird you look like a noodle - tru
you’ve got hair that was cool in 2007 and wet you just took like a poodle - hobbit
throw in a really annoying posh voice and yep that’s dan - posh
you’re what would happen if winnie the pooh fucked slender man
you procrastinate making videos, cause being judged is scary?
you’re so close to being forgotten, the hate’s imaginary - woah
the only reason you get views is you’re another white guy
that people ship with his friend cause they think it’s kawaii
oh
reasons why dan’s a fail
i’ll give you some
you never tweet you overeat all you do is cry and sleep
you’re jokes are shitposts and memes with no originality - uh huh
your family’s sad your flopped your law degree at university
and anything embarrassing that’s from your past you just delete
you were vegan for like three weeks then what you missed the meat? - milk
wow i’m so impressed by your clear moral integrity
you try so hard to be peaceful and diplomatic
but can’t make toast without tumblr saying you’re problematic - boo
i could go on there’s more if i check
there’s more things on this list than chins on your neck
on your birthday you joked you were a quarter way to death
100? yeah when getting out of bed makes you out of breath - real
so your celebrity crush was j-law but now it’s evan p - mhmm
wtf even is your sexuality
it’s hard to put you in a box when you keep it so blurry - what is it
i think it’s just to hide that you’re secretly a furry
*cough*
i’m joking
obviously
okay that went deep
repress it? yup
before i start crying let’s wrap this shit up
i’m gonna go and masturbate, then cry into a slice of pizza - feelings
shout out to the other youtubers especially ryan higa
a cringe compilation mixed with cultural appropriation
met with no depreciation it’s the youtube nation - youtubeee
click subscribe, if you wanna watch 4 videos a year - or 3
to see my last one from 10 years ago just click over here - fail
so leave a comment with your reaction you can call me a liar
cause you just witnessed the roast danisnotonfire

[itsonlybeth]

But aside from lyrics, I thought it was very well done. As we were hoping for, he roasted himself and not his brand. I don't know why we ever doubted the depths he would go to, it was so very Dan and was incredibly honest. I feel that phan was glossed over slightly, I think maybe the mention of masturbation was crude and unnecessary, but I loved that he mentioned how he tries to steer clear of the drama when he himself is just dramatic in personality. That's something I've noticed but never thought he would address. And the deleting of past horrors, that was incredibly deep of him.

The rhymes were brilliant, perhaps a bit sloppy but then I'm just being picky and I didn't really want to be. He kind of ripped himself open (I know that's the point) and just laid it all bare, which I respect him deeply for and I feel oddly proud. So all in all, I think it's one of my favourite DINOF's and it was very well done.

[000dia000]

The idea of "Phan" is under a lot of interpretation following that video which varies person to person but I cant personally see Dan throwing his career under the bus right before a tour celebrating it, likely the comment about phan is something Dan said not to take too seriously as it's addressing shipping culture rather than phan itself. I've been knocked off guard by it but I'm still being realistic about what Dan is hoping to achieve, however that entire comment has flopped immensely.

Regarding sexuality: BEWARE a lot of PHAN ISNT REAL, DAN DIDN'T CONFIRM HIS SEXUALITY OMG LIKE on tumblr. I thought we were past the point of Phan policing but some people are so in denial about something so simple they are trying to keep order in complete chaos lol why am I not surprised

Congratulations everybody, Dan 1+ sexuality but continues gaslighting his fans. I'll see you all later after his live show where he talks about his aspirations to be Kanye but ignoring everything else, then I'll see you all again in two months where he does another video on masturbation techniques.

[teamug]

Prefacing this with, yes, I actually really liked this roast of Dans', even if I tear into it like pizza.

If I were a casual fan who came across this vid, I believe it would have been more remarkable, but I spend too much time reading through idb to be a mere casual viewer so nothing was momentous or shocking. (fyi to anyone, including dan: masturbation followed by pizza is comforting, fulfilling two seperate biological needs, not some cry-worthy act).
I got no denials or confirmations of phan or sexuality from him, what did he say in this vid that he has not said in the last year. This diss was a condensed monologue of many things he has said many times with a pinch of going down memory lane.
"You're so close to being forgotton, the hates imaginary." ouch. best line imo.
Does this vid show Dan has grown, yes. But what comes next? more dinof. Or will he discard his dinof coils?

[phamnotof]

I need to, for myself more than anything, make a case for the anti that sometimes hangs out at the back of my head.

It's this nagging thing in the back of my head that I usually ignore, because I have nagging feelings in the back of my head I ignore about a hundred other thing.

This specific nagging feeling is about knowing. Or, rather, the lack-there-of. I think I know. I'm almost certain I know. I feel like I know. I like to believe I know. Which is all fine and dandy, but it's hardly the same thing as knowing, is it? Especially since anything that may possibly be pointing to certainty, finally, finally, finally – anything and everything like that tends to be wrapped into protective bubble wrap of 'lol jk kidding or am i hahaha lolzor everything i say is a joke take nothing i say seriously i am a joke my whole life is a joke ehm anyway how about them furriez', this space so lovingly occupied by those who simply want to believe they're straight or subscribe to these heteronormative views fueled by YT's culture of queerbaiting and...

And I hate that this is a focus point. I really do. As people, they're more than this. They're far more interesting than any label or identity can encapsulate. And yet, sometimes, this gaping hole in what I know, this place between certainty and what I like to call logical assumptions – occasionally, it threatens to consume me, to consume my entire fandom experience and make it its own. I always feel at least a part of me is hunting for answers, answers that will finally satisfy me, answers that will bring the level of being out that comes with being listed as an online LGBT+ personality without shocked gasps and a clusterfuck in its wake.

(Do you know what I like? That the video seems to separate getting views and interest from shipping from people thinking they're together. Because people do not think they're together cause it's kawai, but who ship them casually and do not have our receipts, might in fact thing the idea of them actually being a couple is ridiculous, but do ship them the way you might ship, I dunno, Felix and PJ. But that's just a theory, isn't it? Which is kind of the point, unfortunately.)

So about that anti part of my brain that occasionally makes me feel rather sour and unhappy with really lovely things. You see, thinking they're not together, that everyone is straight and that this just a 'delusional tinhat thing, you know, the usual' – there's a scrip for that. I know how to think it, there's a comfort to it, a finality despite the not knowing because we've seen it many times before and it's been fed to us for as long as we remember, it's at the core of RPF fandoms, questioning what the majority thinks and what the public narrative is kinda comes with being called delusional by default.

(I keep thinking about Thomas Sanders these days, and how he managed to gradually come out in a way that kept it from being a clickbaity news item and yet allowed him to claim his truth for himself and those who love and support him. Is that something that someone who's job description I self-ironizing can do, too? Especially when you assume his assumed partner – ugh, I hate assuming, give me something easier – might not be interested in being out at all?)

And this isn't to draw any conclusions, it's just what I'm thinking about as I sit bored in work, not having had anything to do for an hour now. So there you have it.

(Also, I really loved the video. The jacket was exceptional. He tried really hard, it usually rhymed. The notonfire roasting was hilarious. Repress!! Was hilarious. The wanking mention made me think of the IDB emojis, and I've been amusing myself by watching everyone's pants fly off just cause he said that word. Some vulnerability in it was really interesting, and came off funny rather than cringe. Liked the acknowledgement of his white privilege, esp. since he was kinda-not-really rapping.)

[Kathrynxjane]

Ugh I have watched it like 50 times this morning. I think the black jacket is really helping #want.

I still can't really put into words how good it was.

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This is the best bit though and I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned more:

This is my favourite bit too. because it is the part that is truest to Dan.

The problem with Phil doing a Ryc is that he doesn't put much of himself out into the world anyway. He doesn't like to talk about himself or his opinions. Dans was so good because it basically confirmed everything we know about him anyway in a very self aware way.

(Also the most exciting liveshow this year, and I am out so I can't watch it live )

[timtam]

I'm 6 years late but OMG that roast! I have no words. At times I laughed and then I speechless. I was on another tab at the start just listening but I was laughing so hard by the time he said he looks like a noddle that I had to start it again and look at the video. Also I dunno why he has such a problem being tall?? I don't get it. He's not ridiculously tall, especially for a male.

I'm really echoing what every one else has already said (i need a like button on here!) but he did a really good job of balancing the DINOF and Dan Howell. He addressed all the popular topics about him but he did he so clear cut there was no ambiguity really. I gotta say I was shocked when he did the Phan mention (i'm glad he did, it wouldn't have worked otherwise) but it was so well done, I think it was the best way to mention it. It was a bit of a slap in the face for Phan shippers though because he sounds so displeased by the shipping but it's also a roast track so i dunno. It was so funny i didn't even care.

But that sexuality mention! That wasn't ambiguous at all. I was gobsmacked that he addressed it so obviously! I was actually in shock until he said he might be a furry and i yelled out FURRY CONFIRMED and just started laughing. I can't believe more people haven't been talking about that since it's such a popular joke around here!

Dan confirmed he's afraid of judgement so it must have taken a lot of confidence to put this video out there. This video really confirmed to me that he is creative and has talent and he doesn't need to be so harsh on himself. I know everything he said is a rehash of what everyone already talks about it he did it so well and it was hilarious so he should have more confidence to put more of this content out bc it's good!

I'm off to watch again. So good.

Also sorry if this post doesnt make sense. I've had a huge day running on 4 hours sleep.

[felucca]

I'm amazed at how many people are surprised about the masturbation mention. It's such a vanilla thing to admit to. Almost everyone does it, healthy relationship or not. I mean really? He's 25 not 85 and not not interested in sex. Why wouldn't he?

Can't wait for the liveshow tonight. I mean it'll be a regular one I suppose, but the chat will be going crazy and Dan will be smug and it'll be great.

I'm curious about whether any other friends/colleagues will (publicly) acknowledge/comment about his video lol. So far I've only seen Drew Monson and Cat do so.

Did you see Dodie?

[bluntedclaws]

Anyway, someone on Tumblr posted all of the lyrics

Dan posted the full lyrics in the video description

[swofro]

I am at the wrong side of twitter because I found this.

Trigger Warning :

nsfw. But not really

[danphil333]

Nah…let’s be real. He couldn’t touch this...though I defer to our sovereign, danphil333 (waits patiently) (literally eating popcorn right now)

I really hope danphil333 is going to post an opinion on this video. I would love to hear what a real Dan hater thinks of it.

I really hope danphil333 is going to post an opinion on this video. I would love to hear what a real Dan hater thinks of it.

Ye. That is the post I'm waiting for.

I really hope danphil333 is going to post an opinion on this video. I would love to hear what a real Dan hater thinks of it.

Oh gosh yes. Please.

I'll join the lingering throngs of the danphil333 fan club, waiting on senpai to speak.

LOVE MY FANS

should a youtuber's hater love said youtuber's roasting challenge?
nahhhh a hater will always find something to hate

i hate the roast yourself challenge. Its just a youtuber acknowlenging the hate comments on his videos. save yourself the embarrasment and make a "read mean comments" video instead. dont try to pass it as "look i am so self aware and cool" noone buys that.
You are so up your own ass you end roasting the people that buys your shit or giving the haters what they want. Dan did only the first part .

Ughmmmm
Look my life didn’t change, I am not mindblowed by the video, I am not as shocked as others and my jaw is still in his place

Where do I start? I saw nothing better, different or interesting in the video, I didn’t hear anything I didn’t already know.

but OMG it was such a baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad video. Especially when you dont care about dan as a person and dont see him as a child in need of your love/protection.

You know, if I was a casual fan and IF I could get over the fact that it was a really bad video overall(rapping, creatively ,execution in terms of filming, editing etc. please why you sitting in a chair dan? it was weird) and as a casual fan I would care about these things. right?. Maybe I would be mildly surprised with his comments on phan and his sexuality. Nothing new again, he is done it before for all his audience to see, in the anime video(and I think in ISGs too) in his main channel a couple months ago, on DAPG every time he gets the chance and he doing it on twitter literally every week. Not even counting younow since it’s not for casual fans.

and since I am not a fan of dan as a person either, I couldnt care less about his sexuality(sorry, but its true. I get excited about everything phan but dans sexuality is not sth I care about lol. Its actually tiring now.). Dan is basically out(not explicitly=avoiding every serious issue that comes with it) since 2014 and people still get surprised by it and treat it like a coming out. The same comments again and again. “did he just came out?” “Things will change now” “he will be more open” “maybe we will more male attraction mentions” “YAY” . I wanna rip my hair out cause this is happening for two fucking years . Dan is not gonna come out “officially” but will continue dropping hinds whenever he wants.

Fuck it, I was more surprised with the female attraction mention (Jennifer Lawrence) …

what else. Nothing noteworthy. Even the comment on his family was nothing new since he throws digs at them quite often recently. The veganism I was hoping he would comment on the reason why he try it (I still believe part of why he tried it was to impress someone (Anthony)). Roasting people for getting offended by him just making toast (true) while he ignored anything problematic he is done and rightfully got called out for.

Typical dan. Dans channel and his brand is basically a roast yourself challenge by itself. Why do you need the rapping over it to make it even worse?

Get the most dedicated fan. The dangirl that sees nothing wrong in dans doings , gets all excited just seeing dan messing with his fringe and finds the way he breaths interesting and ask her to make a rap roasting dan. She would possibly come up with sth better

My little phan heart is broken since dan decided to let us all know his masturbation habits

[flarequake]

Did you see Dodie?

That's probably the only part of the video I was going to comment on that hadn't been said already He did the same with diplomatic, I guess he couldn't fit the proper pronunciation in the metre.

I've been like this since last night and just watched it for the nth time to refresh my brain SO good, the pace, honesty, expressions, poking at youtube, rhythm changes etc I don't need to spell it all out after over four pages of posts about it with most of us mostly loving it. He looked so fricking good too, just the thumbnail had me and it was such a strong image, I knew it was going to be good.

For a moment on my first watch "he's not a challenge to drag" didn't make sense in itself and the slower pace had me thinking it might be really cringe, but then he was off and I was squeeing like a loon. Also had slightly naughty thoughts about him being "dragged by his fringe".

Poor furries, I'm sure those I've known just like anthro characters (some friends were making a 5-piece band of a fox, sheep etc for a comic) and making fursuits to wear to cons and it has nothing to do with what everyone else takes it as for an easy target to laugh at, but hey ho

Roll on liveshow, I'm here for smug Dan amidst his phandom containing traces of nuts.

[SquishPhan]

I am at the wrong side of twitter because I found this.

Trigger Warning :

nsfw. But not really

I love whoever did this.

[bluewho]

Wow, what a video. If I'd have posted sooner it would have just been an entire wall of garbage cans

What I didn't really get was the masturbating/pizza thing. Granted, I don't ever read people's comments or much of his twitter, but I haven't seen any references to that on tumblr, so it seemed out of place.

That whole part sounds almost like stream of conscious thoughts (like a tour of Dan’s brain) – like things he would think to himself. That he doesn’t tweet enough, that he overeats and has double chins – this weight consciousness thing he’s brought up before. ‘All you do is cry’ seems to come out of nowhere too – I’ve never heard anyone say this about him. Then there is another reference to him crying later in the video which reads as if it’s something he is prone to do ‘[better repress it] before I start crying’. Then a third that he is going to go and ‘cry into a pizza’ and have ‘feelings’. I’m thinking his ‘masturbate’ line just ties in with this that he does this to make himself feel better? I didn't interpret it as implying singledom - but I guess you could

dan is v self aware

He is so self-aware. Somehow his self-awareness about the cringe factor makes it both less cringey and funnier when it was cringe. He also was self-aware about the cultural appropriation involved in roast videos. He points out that this is ‘met with no depreciation’ – not criticized at all because ‘it’s the YouTube nation’ – maybe he thinks that it should be criticized then? I find it interesting that he called his voice posh, change of opinion since his ‘OMG UR soo POSH L0L!!1!’ video? I think this also shows perhaps some self-awareness about his class/social status. He also credits being ‘just another white guy’ as being ‘the only reason you get views’ – damning – but then it is a joke video. It still shows some self-awareness about how his position have helped him get where he is today. But beneath that I’m wondering how much of his success he really credits to himself as an individual, as someone with talent and wit?

Not to get (who am I kidding it's what I live for) but I re-watched that bit a few times and the only thing that gave me strong feelings was his 'oh?' after the line.

Nice spot about the ‘oh?’ after the Phan line. I agree with SquishPhan - we're being mocked here. The 'oh?' could be echoing back the disappointment he knew we’d have over the word ‘friend’? Or mocking the outrage of the shippers at being reduced to people who want them to be together just because it’s ‘cute’ even though they are ‘just friends’? Another way you could think about it is calling into question the whole Phan line – which includes the idea that they are just friends and that fans ship it just because it’s ‘cute’. Again nobody knows, as ever

Of course most of us "knew" all of this already because we're crazy religious followers of Dan and his liveshows and he's a very transparent person a lot of the time, but imo there's a huuuuuge difference between piecing together hints and half-alluded-to opinions over the course of months and years, and actually hearing that person just say it out loud as it is (under the guise of "comedy" lol yea ok Joe King).

yes exactly, i wasn't like 'omg this is brand new information' i was like 'omg he's choosing to share this explicitly with all of his audience not just his obsessive weirdos/fans', and idk that just feels refreshing, and even validating? like 'ok i'm not going insane we're all in the same page here [s]this dude isn't straight[/s]'

Yeah I agree, the sexuality part doesn’t actually SAY anything – other than that he has a crush on J-Law and Evan Peters – which we already knew. All he actually says is ‘wtf even is your sexuality, it’s hard to put you in a box’. Which is just a fact, and seems to be voiced from the phandom’s perspective rather than as any ‘I am’ statement – particularly the ‘what is it??’ in the background . However the fact that he has put a video on DINOF saying he has a crush on J-Law and Evan Peters is a Bold Move in itself. Including the word ‘sexuality’ makes it Even Bolder. We were definitely being roasted for trying to work out what his sexuality is I think I think more telling is his self-awareness that he ‘keeps it so blurry’ – this is an action, something he is actively doing?

Happy Birthday bluebox-away

[Diyes_Celine]

Here's how Phil's RYC would go:


P: Hey Guys! I-

D: Oh Philip, when you smile I am undone
My [cinnamon] bun
Look at my bun. Pride is not the word I’m looking for
There is so much more inside me now
Oh Philip, you outshine the morning sun
My bun.
When you smile, I fall apart
And I thought I was so smart

Someday, Someday
Yeah, you'll blow us all away

[DryCereal]

Here's how Phil's RYC would go:


P: Hey Guys! I-

D: Oh Philip, when you smile I am undone
My [cinnamon] bun
Look at my bun. Pride is not the word I’m looking for
There is so much more inside me now
Oh Philip, you outshine the morning sun
My bun.
When you smile, I fall apart
And I thought I was so smart

Someday, Someday
Yeah, you'll blow us all away

NGL, I'd have done the whole thing properly, like "sleep now little trashcans" but 1, pain meds are keeping me perma-woozy, and 2, i just couldn't be arsed!

[grannypants]

Can't wait for the liveshow tonight. I mean it'll be a regular one I suppose, but the chat will be going crazy and Dan will be smug and it'll be great.

i'm actually really sad i'm going to the cinema tonight and won't be able to watch the ls postpone it a day dan i know you wanna
the video's nearly at a million views guys

[eevee]

Happy birthday bluebox-away!

I woke up feeling good about this video. Although the description disclaimer is really disheartening, I'm hoping it's just to address that he kinda roasted us at parts and doesn't want us to be offended. If someone had told me in 2012 that Dan would say "what even if your sexuality" to himself in a video, I would laugh in their face. I can't believe how far we've come. I think this is much different from the past male attraction mentions because it's so blatant and on his main channel. Sorry dp333 but I do think it's groundbreaking, haha. It's fun to get excited about these things, let me live! I really do think and hope that this will just mark greener pastures.

However I am holding off on totally ing until after the liveshow. I'm going to leave work early to watch it because I really wanna see if he tries to deny everything or just goes in further or ignores it or what. No matter what he does people are gonna read into it to be honest and I wanna be a part of that discussion. haha. I'm such trash.