Dan & Phil Part 21: Say Howdy to InDepthBants

[LurkingTrash]

Thoughts on Dan and Phil being (seemingly) incapable to maintain their public friendships?

I kinda think it's a mixture of laziness and an unwillingness to be 'used' by people.

They go for collabs when they want filler on their own channel and it suits them but I can't even imagine, for example, them letting PJ use them to climb the youtube ladder like he's using Felix right now. And especially with youtubers, that might breed some bitterness.

But I also think with a lot of youtubers the friendships are more like professional acquaintances. They're like people in an office; they've got the co-workers they like best and don't mind having a drink with after work once in a while but they're not exactly going around to each other's houses for casual chill time every weekend.

I don't think either of them are as friendly with other youtubers as some phans like to think. For one, they do appear to be in a world of their own and except marginally few youtubers into their channels for their worthy collabs. Additionally they have completely closed off anything personal about themselves and any friendships they have off of YouTube is kept strictly confidential and they strictly divide their personal relationships with their business relationships (online),

I believe that the decrease of interaction between them and older YouTuber's (PJ is a prime example) is a fine example of how the divide between the content and audience has grown wider for them that online interaction is kept to a minimum and any personal interaction (god-forbid) is a strict no-no.
Given deppy's audience and anti-social behavior online, eliciting a response from them online is a great achievement and PJ is one of the few that can achieve this on a regular basis (monthly, I suppose)

Maybe a lot of it comes down to how secretive they seem to be of their private life and not trusting a lot of youtubers not to vlog something without asking them or otherwise share something they didn't give permission? On the flip side, it's hard to be friends with someone when you can't just live life and you have to look over your shoulder at every turn to make sure you don't upset D&P online. Perhaps they prefer to hang out with people privately and don't document it for that reason? Maybe they have some non-youtuber friends we have no idea about? hmmmm

I have very little to add but I quoted and bolded things I agree with, especially the non youtubers friends, like how Phil likes to maintain contact with so many people he knew from school/uni days.

[jesp]

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Alzheimer's

bluewho, this is close enough to being inappropriate to warrant a note. Just a reminder to everyone to be careful and sensitive with what you post in the future.

[bluewho]

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Alzheimer's

bluewho, this is close enough to being inappropriate to warrant a note. Just a reminder to everyone to be careful and sensitive with what you post in the future.

Ack sorry everyone that was really insensitive of me, I hope I didn't offend anyone. I didn't think that one through properly, thank you for pointing it out, I will be more careful in future!

[ultraviolet]

Thoughts on Dan and Phil being (seemingly) incapable to maintain their public friendships?

They are both barely able to maintain their channels these days by themselves, I don't think there's any huge conspiracy about this, tbh. They've been non-stop busy since last year, I don't think they really have time to coordinate collabs or pay close attention to their social media.

And to add to that, I'm sure they have friends from college to other Youtubers, but with their lives being what they are, they probably don't want their friendships to be purely a public spectacle.

[Winston]

I think Dan collabs with Louise because he genuinely likes her, as well as possibly few others. But his other collabs he does with people who have more or about the same amount of subs mainly because they don't "need" him for clicks. I.e doesn't feel like he is being used. He still only collabs with people he does like even if it is just mildly. Also it's a good filler, for when he either doesn't have anything else or is just lazy/busy.
Phil even said collabs are the easiest vids to make. I think they both like them but Dan is pickier than Phil when it comes to them.

Does anyone think that they were coerced monetarily for a couple they have done? (And couple gleamy ones come to mind for me.)

As for friends, I can relate I think in a couple ways. 1)my husband is Uber shy and mildly awkward (i find it adorbs) but it is hard for him to make friends because of it. He has only a couple. Mostly his inability to befriend others is in his head, which makes him hard to approach. So unless the other person makes the effort that is the end of a budding friendship. That is unless he really likes said person, then he feels more comfortable and can continue on as "normal".
2) I don't have many friends because I have a very close large family. And the need to go outside of it never really was necessary. I too have only a few really good friends but I have many inside my family. Dan and phil not only are very close friends but I think it is safe to say no matter the actual relationship they have, they are also family at this point. So going "outside" of it is unnecessary. And they don't seem desperate to find more friends. They would have leave the house more besides.

They have spoken of friends from uni and friends from home etc. So I believe that most of their very good friends are non youtube. I still think it is mainly them against the world in Youtube land. So unless they themselves make the effort no one will really try to befriend them on a higher level than work friend. That is a wall much too high and thick for the faint of heart.

[karlitatvphan]

^I get what you are saying, I'm the same way I prefer quality than quantity, but I guess everyone thinks that they are a bit anti social in the youtube enviroment because their job is to be social, so for me it's kinda weird when I see people like that who's jobs are the result of being social, like when people say that Harry Styles is really shy and it's hard for me to believe that because of the massive following he has. But I'd be the same way so I don't judge.

[eevee]

^I get what you are saying, I'm the same way I prefer quality than quantity, but I guess everyone thinks that they are a bit anti social in the youtube enviroment because their job is to be social, so for me it's kinda weird when I see people like that who's jobs are the result of being social, like when people say that Harry Styles is really shy and it's hard for me to believe that because of the massive following he has. But I'd be the same way so I don't judge.

What do you mean it's their job to be social? Yes on social media, but I don't see what you mean otherwise?

[karlitatvphan]

I mean that they didn't get millions of people in their following for just doing nothing, right? Every youtuber at least has to be social in some way even though it's just when they are just starting, I really appreciate when small youtubers send me a tweet telling me nicely to check out their channels and that tweet is just them being social, not just posting a video and waiting for the subs and views to come, I don't mean it in a bad way.

[eevee]

I mean that they didn't get millions of people in their following for just doing nothing, right? Every youtuber at least has to be social in some way even though it's just when they are just starting, I really appreciate when small youtubers send me a tweet telling me nicely to check out their channels and that tweet is just them being social, not just posting a video and waiting for the subs and views to come, I don't mean it in a bad way.

I didn't take what you said in a bad way, I'm just missing your point. I don't see what being social has to do with getting subscribers other than social media. Yes I agree that social media is a big piece of it for self promotion and interaction with followers etc, but I don't see what being social in person other than meetups has to do with their job. Do you mean meetups? I thought you meant they had to be social with other youtubers to keep their job and they clearly don't since they aren't very social and still are going strong, haha.

[uglyamerican]

D&P don't strike me as being particularly gregarious people, in the sense of constantly seeking out new friends, going to raucous parties, or clubbing until dawn - not that there's anything wrong with that... They do strike me as caring and genuinely nice people, - and occasionally sassy - which are qualities I seek in my friends (as well as loyalty.) It's actually kind of hard to find people like that...

As far as other YouTubers go, IDK. I guess I'm kind of jaded because many "friendships" or collabs seem to be arranged rather than by spurred by chemistry or common interests (other than YouTubing.) D&P have been in the game for a long time, and I'm sure that they have a good sense about fellow YouTubers, and who is somebody that they would like to meet/hang/collab with, and who they would rather avoid.

[bluewho]

Thoughts on Dan and Phil being (seemingly) incapable to maintain their public friendships?

karlitatvphan I understand what you mean, Dan and Phil have to appear sociable in videos, and be sociable in relation to their fanbase. It can be kind of strange to think this sociability may not extend to their relationships with other YouTubers or to their natures in real life because we are so used to seeing the confident on-camera versions of them.

I think other YouTubers may find Dan and Phil a little intimidating. Dan and Phil may have a bigger following than them, and a following which is not only massive but also contains those who are passionate/defensive/sometimes nosy. On top of this, other YouTubers may not know how to act around them if they are unsure if Dan and Phil are in a relationship or not. Dan and Phil have also described themselves as being awkward in social situations. When you put all this together, maybe other YouTubers would find it difficult or be put off making friends with them.

I also think Dan and Phil have plenty of friends in their life already - so why would they want to look for more. They have each other, Wirrow and Bryony, possibly others we don't know about. Not everyone is a social butterfly, some are just content with a single or few great friends. This is probably even more so when you are famous (even if only YouTube famous), because it can be hard to know who you can trust, and whether people genuinely like you or just like you because they want to share your success or money or limelight etc. Other YouTubers are particularly likely to try and make friends with them for this latter reason - to try and garner some kind of success from it. Dan and Phil are probably aware of this risk, and so avoid the risk altogether by not pursuing those kinds of friendships. They probably just want to avoid the drama of trusting the wrong person.

Edit: Edited to remove too many emoticons which were giving me a headache Also would like to apologize again for earlier, as someone with MH issues myself I should know better than to make these kinds of jokes.

[uglyamerican]

.... Every youtuber at least has to be social in some way .....

Isn't it in D&P's case, "relatable" more than "social?" - although both seemed to be heavy into "social media" prior to/ and later concurrently with YouTube.

One of my exs roommates used to be "social" in the (annoying) sorority girl (fake) way, and on FB (see how many "friends" I have?) - ugh. So I guess "social" can mean different things to different people.

[bluewho]

.... Every youtuber at least has to be social in some way .....

Isn't it in D&P's case, "relatable" more than "social?" - although both seemed to be heavy into "social media" prior to/ and later concurrently with YouTube.

One of my exs used to be "social" in the (annoying) sorority girl (fake) way, and on FB (see how many "friends" I have?) - ugh. So I guess "social" can mean different things to different people.

In my view it is necessary for them to be sociable on camera. When they are in a collab with each other, or other people they have to appear sociable in order to be engaging and interesting to watch. When they are filming on their own for their own channels they must still appear 'sociable' in a sense as they have to interact with the camera as if it's another person in a confident way. They also have to be 'sociable' with their fanbase to some extent by interacting with them. I do think it's a job heavily dependent on this skill of sociability - but I think this sociability can be achieved through using personas and through practice, even for particularly socially awkward people.

[karlitatvphan]

Adding to all the comments, yes I do mean in meetups and on camera like everyone's mentioned earlier, being famous and not interact with people is a very odd thing for me, if they don't want to collab with others more than with each other is okay by me, and yes I understand they have people like friends and family and I think for them is enough.

It is difficult to have a private life also but they do it well so, yeah that's what I meant, like someone said way back it was kinda annoying seeing them not interact at all for a long time and not post any pictures just for the sake of releasing a book.

They're not losing subs but they need to maintain it, I just removed more than half of my subs on YT; people at the end just get bored sometimes just like I did with those people, I know it won't happen to them because they may post not much but what they post is good.

[idontreallyknow]

So I was looking for reaction videos to Dan's roast yourself challenge (bc I find other people's reactions to deppy interesting lmao) and I found this one:



And at the beginning he said "whoa, makeup" and I was kind of confused as to what he was talking about? Like does Dan look like he's wearing makeup in the video to anyone..?

[karlitatvphan]

So I was looking for reaction videos to Dan's roast yourself challenge (bc I find other people's reactions to deppy interesting lmao) and I found this one:



And at the beginning he said "whoa, makeup" and I was kind of confused as to what he was talking about? Like does Dan look like he's wearing makeup in the video to anyone..?

Yeah now that I see it more clearly it seems like he used a shit ton of make up, here I've seen a picture of Dan where it clearly uses make up. The reaction was hilarious, at first he was like and then when the fastest part came was like and then in the end was , but glad he liked it I'm not a fan of reaction videos but this was a decent one.

[confusedpanda]

So I was looking for reaction videos to Dan's roast yourself challenge (bc I find other people's reactions to deppy interesting lmao) and I found this one:



And at the beginning he said "whoa, makeup" and I was kind of confused as to what he was talking about? Like does Dan look like he's wearing makeup in the video to anyone..?

I mean it wouldn't surprise me if he is wearing at least a base coat of foundation or concealer, we've talked about before how they do wear it in some videos they film. But it could also be because of the fact he's got a bright recording light shining close to him. Brightness can make your skin look surprisingly smooth, at least from my own experience with messing around with it. It might very likely be a mixture of both those things though.

[Phantasy]

So I was looking for reaction videos to Dan's roast yourself challenge (bc I find other people's reactions to deppy interesting lmao) and I found this one:



And at the beginning he said "whoa, makeup" and I was kind of confused as to what he was talking about? Like does Dan look like he's wearing makeup in the video to anyone..?

I thought for sure he was in his Instagram story...

[idontreallyknow]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure he wears makeup in his vids and stuff too (you can really tell in one of Louise's vlogs), just wondering why that guy immediately said that?

[Ticia]

It seems the current trend for upcoming youtubers is to do record themselves (falsely) reacting to things, although the idea itself is already horrendous, in my opinion. I cringe with the Bros, I cringe even harder with the infinite videos of "COUPLE REACTS TO..." "EMO COUPLE REACTS TO..." "GOTH REACTS TO..." "GOTH AND EMO REACTS TO...".

[mez29]

It seems the current trend for upcoming youtubers is to do record themselves (falsely) reacting to things, although the idea itself is already horrendous, in my opinion. I cringe with the Bros, I cringe even harder with the infinite videos of "COUPLE REACTS TO..." "EMO COUPLE REACTS TO..." "GOTH REACTS TO..." "GOTH AND EMO REACTS TO...".

Yep, I totally agree with this. Half the time spent "reacting" is just sitting there pulling faces at whatever they're watching anyway. that video definitely sums it up

[DryCereal]

I think this is what Dan's shade was directed at on Weds night. Create your own bloody content, don't solely piggyback on other people's.

[sia]

It seems the current trend for upcoming youtubers is to do record themselves (falsely) reacting to things, although the idea itself is already horrendous, in my opinion. I cringe with the Bros, I cringe even harder with the infinite videos of "COUPLE REACTS TO..." "EMO COUPLE REACTS TO..." "GOTH REACTS TO..." "GOTH AND EMO REACTS TO...".

Yep, I totally agree with this. Half the time spent "reacting" is just sitting there pulling faces at whatever they're watching anyway. that video definitely sums it up

[offtopic]Well people will always try to succeed with as little effort as possible (that's why lottery still exists despite numerous proves that it doesn't work) and react videos is what works at the moment, as long as people will watch that youtubers will make them, so if you dislike them the best you can do is to ignore them, they will lose on popularitly eventually, instead lets make the washing machine cycle videos popular, who's with me?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iDRIinBHqnk
Oh and why is everyone in the comments talking about Phil?[/offtopic]

[confusedpanda]

It seems the current trend for upcoming youtubers is to do record themselves (falsely) reacting to things, although the idea itself is already horrendous, in my opinion. I cringe with the Bros, I cringe even harder with the infinite videos of "COUPLE REACTS TO..." "EMO COUPLE REACTS TO..." "GOTH REACTS TO..." "GOTH AND EMO REACTS TO...".

Yep, I totally agree with this. Half the time spent "reacting" is just sitting there pulling faces at whatever they're watching anyway. that video definitely sums it up

[offtopic]Well people will always try to succeed with as little effort as possible (that's why lottery still exists despite numerous proves that it doesn't work) and react videos is what works at the moment, as long as people will watch that youtubers will make them, so if you dislike them the best you can do is to ignore them, they will lose on popularitly eventually, instead lets make the washing machine cycle videos popular, who's with me?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iDRIinBHqnk
Oh and why is everyone in the comments talking about Phil?[/offtopic]

The comments are talking about Phil because in multiple live shows and in his colab with Tyler Oakley he's talked about how he's somehow managed to get into the washer Machine side of YouTube and how weird it is that people would comment things like "she's spinning fast" on the videos!

[Lain]

It seems the current trend for upcoming youtubers is to do record themselves (falsely) reacting to things, although the idea itself is already horrendous, in my opinion. I cringe with the Bros, I cringe even harder with the infinite videos of "COUPLE REACTS TO..." "EMO COUPLE REACTS TO..." "GOTH REACTS TO..." "GOTH AND EMO REACTS TO...".

Yep, I totally agree with this. Half the time spent "reacting" is just sitting there pulling faces at whatever they're watching anyway. that video definitely sums it up

[offtopic]Well people will always try to succeed with as little effort as possible (that's why lottery still exists despite numerous proves that it doesn't work) and react videos is what works at the moment, as long as people will watch that youtubers will make them, so if you dislike them the best you can do is to ignore them, they will lose on popularitly eventually, instead lets make the washing machine cycle videos popular, who's with me?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iDRIinBHqnk
Oh and why is everyone in the comments talking about Phil?[/offtopic]

The comments are talking about Phil because in multiple live shows and in his colab with Tyler Oakley he's talked about how he's somehow managed to get into the washer Machine side of YouTube and how weird it is that people would comment things like "she's spinning fast" on the videos!

And in this video @3:22!