Dan & Phil Part 21: Say Howdy to InDepthBants

[Ticia]

I don't agree with what just happened here. What's the limit? Regardless of how public or not such information is, it's not a matter of can you post it but should you and the answer is clearly you should not. If they were ok with us knowing how much they have in the bank they'd just talk about it. This is wrong and you all know it.

While I get your point, you need to chill. It's not like someone posted their personal bank details. It's the financial statements from their private companies. And next time, you might have better luck if you didn't express your opinion in such an aggressive tone

i agree with the person saying this wrong seeing as its illegal to post such documents without proper authority from the bank or the ppl in connection to said papers (im getting a law degree)

Review your notes from the law degree, bank account information is not the same as public financial statements, i.e. not illegal, at all.

[itsonlybeth]

They're not lying when they said it was PUBLIC, it took me one Google search to find the reports.

[edited by missemma as contained information that could lead people to finding private details]

[SquishPhan]

I'm really curious how much they have made from the tour, I bet it's quite a lot.

Well, the info will be public next year! And I'm sure it will be A LOT. Tour + books + documentaries. I can't even imagine a number.

Also, I don't really care how much they earn, I only want to know if they have a shared bank account. That's it.

I'm sure it's a lot as well, but I'm still curious about how much.

Yes I would love to know that as well. I think they might, but that is based on nothing.

[nessie]

I don't agree with what just happened here. What's the limit? Regardless of how public or not such information is, it's not a matter of can you post it but should you and the answer is clearly you should not. If they were ok with us knowing how much they have in the bank they'd just talk about it. This is wrong and you all know it.

While I get your point, you need to chill. It's not like someone posted their personal bank details. It's the financial statements from their private companies. And next time, you might have better luck if you didn't express your opinion in such an aggressive tone

i agree with the person saying this wrong seeing as its illegal to post such documents without proper authority from the bank or the ppl in connection to said papers (im getting a law degree)

Review your notes from the law degree, bank account information is not the same as public financial statements, i.e. not illegal, at all.

to be factual "any public records may be posted with both the bank and the party in question in agreement of release" what you posted is alright but the second bit of information must have a release signature by both the bank and the party in question
i just don't want you guys to get in trouble is all

[anathema]

I don't agree with what just happened here. What's the limit? Regardless of how public or not such information is, it's not a matter of can you post it but should you and the answer is clearly you should not. If they were ok with us knowing how much they have in the bank they'd just talk about it. This is wrong and you all know it.

While I get your point, you need to chill. It's not like someone posted their personal bank details. It's the financial statements from their private companies. And next time, you might have better luck if you didn't express your opinion in such an aggressive tone

i agree with the person saying this wrong seeing as its illegal to post such documents without proper authority from the bank or the ppl in connection to said papers (im getting a law degree)

Wouldn't it only be illegal if it wasn't public before? Besides, it's not their personal bank details, it's registered as "private limited company".

[danisnotonphil]

You can try to justify it all you want, it's still wrong. Many of you are what, in your 20s? Should know better, be able to discern between right and wrong by now. I honestly can't wrap my mind around such levels of entitlement. With how successful they are we can safely assume they have more than enough money, why the need to know how much exactly? Like I said before, what's the limit? An address? Well thank gods you can draw a line somewhere. Would you like it done to you? Lbh, probably not.
Just because it's public info available to anyone that doesn't give anyone the right to point others in its direction and drawing attention to info that -considering dnp never addressed it- they may not want attention drawn to. Come on, is not quantum physics.

[Philena]

100% public info, legal, easily searchable. Perhaps we could put it behind a spoiler next time so those who don't want to see can't? You know, choose your own ethics
Sometimes discussing things in a reasonable manner makes more sense than throwing a fit. Especially when you are new.

[000dia000]

Deppy aren't going to sue IDB for posting screenshot public™ documents in the public™ domain viewable by the public™ . Tbh while deppy are probably aware of the existence of this forum they are most likely not reviewing every page of every topic if at all. It is important to be mindful of their personal information but this information is easily accessible.

Humour me here, if in some bizarre universe they do sue IDB, "We The Unicorns" will probably post a cringe article on it

[lilMango]

I'm laughing so hard.
" I honestly can't wrap my mind around such levels of entitlement."
I could say the same to you. Please just change the subject if you're uncomfortable, you're just embarrassing yourself at this point

[Catallena]

Anyway, wow boys get that cash for your dream home with glass walls and a koi pond.

[Sakura Selfie]

You can try to justify it all you want, it's still wrong. Many of you are what, in your 20s? Should know better, be able to discern between right and wrong by now. I honestly can't wrap my mind around such levels of entitlement. With how successful they are we can safely assume they have more than enough money, why the need to know how much exactly? Like I said before, what's the limit? An address? Well thank gods you can draw a line somewhere. Would you like it done to you? Lbh, probably not.
Just because it's public info available to anyone that doesn't give anyone the right to point others in its direction and drawing attention to info that -considering dnp never addressed it- they may not want attention drawn to. Come on, is not quantum physics.

lol.

[rizzo]

I'll repeat what I've said before.

This is a forum dedicated to two human beings. Literally everything we say and do is creepy/inappropriate/immature. We comment on their every move and criticize them constantly. Talking about the finances of their public companies doesn't even come close to the hurtful stuff that's said here. So if that's what you don't like, you're in the wrong place...

[itsonlybeth]

If anyone wants to screenshot those real signatures I'd be fine with that

[anathema]

If anyone wants to screenshot those real signatures I'd be fine with that

Maybe not. For some reason I feel like that's taking it a step to far

[Sakura Selfie]

I've just realised they won't be back from Australia in time for Reading/Leeds and this makes me sad because I think I was secretly hoping they'd do something for the Beeb (ps thank you to the awesome person who made the radio show link thread )

[bluebox-away]

Agree with most of what's been said above, public company records are public for a reason. & for a totally legit reason to check them, I can imagine if I was a parent buying merch for my kid I might want to see that the company looks reliable, has funds and isn't gonna take my money and not deliver. But anyhow

If anyone wants to screenshot those real signatures I'd be fine with that

Maybe not. For some reason I feel like that's taking it a step to far

I think that 'official' signatures are too far, and kind of a security risk to share? Idk, I feel like in the UK your signature is used to verify who you are for bank cards and stuff and that kind of thing being public definitely feels out of line to me.

I'm mostly really curious to know how much the tour will have made them in ticket profits & merch, seeing as they were doing so well on merch alone last year.
Totally unrelated, but D&P need to do some things in Aus soon before we run out of pages and have no good thread names

[Stakhanov]

Honestly when i read those public statements and then logged into my online bank all i could think of was...



#RIPrelatable

[uglyamerican]

While I understand that corporate financial records are public information (at least in the UK,) I still find it a bit unseemly to be republishing them - after all, they are just people - not faceless corporations - that deserve some amount respect of/for their privacy. I fully understand the technical argument that these are public information, but that doesn't relieve me of feeling a bit dirty reading them. The good thing (I suppose) is that these are not personal financial records. Also, I would assume that any geographical details mentioned in the originating site is for their corporation's registered agent (or whatever it's called in the UK) so nothing to worry about that issue.

[danisnotonphil]

100% public info, legal, easily searchable. Perhaps we could put it behind a spoiler next time so those who don't want to see can't? You know, choose your own ethics
Sometimes discussing things in a reasonable manner makes more sense than throwing a fit. Especially when you are new.

How are other people's finances yours to discuss? rhetorical question btw. Disagreeing with this isn't throwing a fit, but I'll stop after this post if that makes yall feel better.

@lilMango perhaps you're confusing "entitlement" with some other term? Self-righteousness, maybe? You could also say I'm stuck on a moral high ground? But I don't feel entitled to know and search how much dnp's cash in, I can live without that info just fine. I do think this was unnecessary and disrespectful, just because it's public records and technically legal that doesn't make it right. Nuances, yknow. But I'm seeing what's right doesn't outweigh anything here, so sorry I care wow how rude of me to question something. I'll stop embarrassing myself when I start feeling embarrassed, from where I'm standing that's not the case atm. Looking away or changing the subject won't erase what already happened and won't make your actions and attitudes about it any more acceptable/justifiable/excusable, btw.

Ok yall do continue your thing, don't mind me

[Diyes_Celine]

Ugh. The information was public because that was the purpose of the site. It helps companies to know more about the people they are dealing with and to help them assess potential risk they might encounter by working with them. Why not check out the information that they have? The free information was there to encourage people to buy the premium information. If what they are doing is wrong, the company wouldn't exist any way.

Please don't talk about the ethics of that website or this forum. That's business solutions for you. If it doesn't exist I wouldn't have a job.

PS: I can't wait for the Oct. 2016 document.

[Lurktacularr]

I don't agree with what just happened here. What's the limit? Regardless of how public or not such information is, it's not a matter of can you post it but should you and the answer is clearly you should not. If they were ok with us knowing how much they have in the bank they'd just talk about it. This is wrong and you all know it.

If i said the site where you can get the information with their address and address of their accountant, then you have a right to be pissed. I didn't give any indication of how I got that information or their company number.

Like Ticia shows it is easy enough to Google and it comes up with figures like that. Anyone can do that for any company. You can do it for any Youtuber or person if they are a director of a limited company.

Seconded.

Sorry to feed the troll but...

I'd also like to point out that me and Kathrynxjane are both accountants and fully aware of what's private, public and sensitive. Frankly everyone here seems to be too, regardless of their profession, because we've all got brains in our heads. We've done nothing wrong, morally or otherwise posting this information.

I'd like to point out to you that we've not given you their personal bank balances. Those are their companies' balances. Yes, they may be the sole directors of their two main companies and so it would seem one and the same, but its not. They'll have business expenses (such as the accountants who filed that info) to pay from these, other monies flowing in from debtors (spons etc) and other reconciling items.

Yes, they give an indication as to how well those companies are doing and hence how well deppy are doing, but that's all it is - an indication. Are you gonna lose your shit if we work out how many tickets they've sold for tatinof x average ticket price and guess at their income on that? Where are you drawing the line here?

'This is all wrong and you know it' - no, you might not agree with it, but that doesn't make it wrong. And you certainly don't get to decide what all of us feel towards it.

And actually, the fact that its public info in fact DOES give us the right to post it where we wish and do whatever we please with it. I'd like to know what you think gives /you/ the right to police the forum.

[wtfamidoinghere]

I understand the sentiment that hard work should be rewarded and half assed work shouldn't, but at the same time i subconsciously roll my eyes everytime i hear "they don't deserve it!".
If i get a promotion because i'm better at my job than my colleague who works harder, does that mean i don't deserve my promotion?

The thing is the 'job' that D&P are better at than their peers is definitely not making videos. The 'job' (or more accurately, part of the job) they're good at is maintaining popularity with an insanely dedicated fandom while putting in minimum effort. They managed to basically disappear from the internet for two months in order to sell people another book and they did it without much backlash. Their videos are subpar at best, and Dan lost his ~originality~ excuse when he started making people wait for shit like him reacting to old pics. The same shit everyone else is doing, except a month later when the hype already died down.

Also, i don't think you can seperate youtube and his sideprojects and say he doesn't deserve success on his channel, because he's not working on it. When he's working on his sideprojects, that also has an effect on his subscriber count.

How would a book and tour made for existing hardcore fans have any effect on their sub counts? There's a reason Dan got to 6M only just now while Caspar and Joe, who make pretty crap content but are definitely on top of their game and got to 5M at the same time as Dan, have surpassed that number by far already. The only side projects that could influence their numbers would be the radio and stuff like The Brits and even then it's pretty minor. I think Tomska once mentioned that his Internet Takeover slot had no effect on his numbers. Sure D&P did radio far more and for a lot longer, but it's still pretty telling.

I think that everything they do to keep the phandom engaged is part of why their channels still grow, that's what i meant.

I never said he's better at his job than joe and casper or anyone. He could be right there with them at 7 Million subs if he put in more effort.
That doesn't mean he doesn't deserve the 6 Million he has now.

Btw, i agree that it's shitty how they abandoned their channels in favour of sideprojects that they can only do because of their channels. I never tried to excuse that. I just don't like the sentimant of "He doesn't deserve it!". That's a bottomless pit, because there's bound to be some youtuber somewhere who makes great content and works super hard, but has almost no subs.

And as much as i don't like others deciding what people deserve or not, i don't like it when someone thinks their moral standard is the ultimate truth and everybody has to live according to it. If you have a problem with us discussing something, fine. Tell us that and make an argument for it. But you can't expect us to live by it.

"It's wrong and you know it"

[itsonlybeth]

If anyone wants to screenshot those real signatures I'd be fine with that

Maybe not. For some reason I feel like that's taking it a step to far

Fair enough, after I posted that I realised how important a signature is in terms of legal documents and whatnot so sorry for taking it too far.

[anathema]

While I understand that corporate financial records are public information (at least in the UK,) I still find it a bit unseemly to be republishing them - after all, they are just people that deserve some amount respect of/for their privacy. I fully understand the technical argument that these are public information, but that doesn't relieve me of feeling a bit dirty reading them. The good thing (I suppose) is that these are not personal financial records. Also, I would assume that any geographical details mentioned in the originating site is for their corporation's registered agent (or whatever it's called in the UK) so nothing to worry about that issue.

Yes, definitely. If it was personal bank info that would totally be crossing the line.

If anyone wants to screenshot those real signatures I'd be fine with that

Maybe not. For some reason I feel like that's taking it a step to far

I think that 'official' signatures are too far, and kind of a security risk to share? Idk, I feel like in the UK your signature is used to verify who you are for bank cards and stuff and that kind of thing being public definitely feels out of line to me.

Yeah, their actual signatures should definitely not be posted publicly on a place like this.

[Lurktacularr]

Moderating

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