spider wrote:
Most people here said he was trolling or he wouldn't really keep it but I think he saw the nice things people said about his curly hair after the H.K. photos and the wavy hair post.
I would just like to reiterate that I give him a couple weeks because curly/wavy hair gets harder to manage & needs a fuck of a lot more maintenance between haircuts. We should get a pool going. Ha ha ha. I'm all for being wrong & this being the new Daniel though. Do we have any photographic evidence from the show or was anyone there (that empty thread is making me sad!)? I'm guessing it was straightened for that.
I would be surprised if he straightened his hair in between the M&G and the show, because it would be pointless. At my show (and from what I've seen, most other shows too), by the halfway point his hair was wavy from sweat If his hair was already wavy for the M&G I personally feel like it would have been a waste of time for him to straighten it
Edit: Not a very exciting top-of-the-page post, is it?
As someone with a hair type very similar to Dan's I can say after a while or from time to time you get tired of straightening all the time it so one day you just don't bother. I only straighten my fringe ( I have long hair) and mostly just when I have to leave the house. Could be Dan's finally making his peace with his natural hair, or maybe it's too short at the moment to do it and the hobbitness is not too wild so he doesn't mind, for now. I don't think he's gonna stop straightening his hair permanently just because people is accepting his curls tho, he may care about what people think but he also cares about aesthetics and being more comfortable with his natural hair doesn't necessarily mean he likes it or that it fits with how he wants to look like, but we'll see.
danisnotonphil wrote:As someone with a hair type very similar to Dan's I can say after a while or from time to time you get tired of straightening all the time it so one day you just don't bother. I only straighten my fringe ( I have long hair) and mostly just when I have to leave the house. Could be Dan's finally making his peace with his natural hair, or maybe it's too short at the moment to do it and the hobbitness is not too wild so he doesn't mind, for now. I don't think he's gonna stop straightening his hair permanently just because people is accepting his curls tho, he may care about what people think but he also cares about aesthetics and being more comfortable with his natural hair doesn't necessarily mean he likes it or that it fits with how he wants to look like, but we'll see.
I'm sure that even now Dan doesn't straighten it a lot, only when he's going out or doing a ls (or filming, but that's not happening very often right now ). But yes, I'm sure it gets annoying after seven years. I too have similar hair, and even if my hair was as short as Dan's, I would not have the patience to straighten it as often as he does. I'm sure we're still going to see him with straight hair, but hopefully this is the start of an era of him embracing his natural hair more often.
Edit: I just realized I said "I'm sure" three times. Oops.
I made this Tumbl post and reading back yesterday's convo, it might be semi-relevant here, too, so I figured I'd repost it.
Hey so facts are nice, aren’t they?
Dan has, as of 8/12/16, roughly 6,003 million subscribers. That makes him the 182th most subscribed YT channel.
Phil has, as of 8/12/1, roughly 3,694 million subscribers. That makes him the 377th most subscribed YT channel.
There are over 2440 YT channels with over a million subscribers.
Youtube has more than a billion users. 300 hours of video are uploaded to it each minute.
There are millions of people trying to make it, billions of people imagining what it’d be like to try, thousands upon thousands of people struggling to hold on to the interest they once held.
Dan gains around 19k subscribers a week, Phil gains about 16k a week. Both of their channels continue to grow, and the numbers are neither huge nor disappointing, they fall somewhere in the middle and suggest steady growth over a long period of time.
Dan’s biggest subscriber spike dates back years, they’ve actually been gaining subs in similar speed for a very long time now.
Now, when I say they’re not impressive, there are channels with similar view & sub count as theirs that gain several times more per week. ThatcherJoe gains around 60k per week, as does Caspar Lee.
When I say they’re also not disappointing, you can look at Tyler Oakley, who has over 8 million subscribers but has actually been losing about 5k subscribers a week.
What should also be noted is that sub count is hardly everything. Marcus Butler has 4,5 million subscribers, for instance, but his videos are hitting somewhere around 300 - 600k. Charlie McDonnel has 2,3 million subscribers and despite once making videos that would hit several millions of views each, he’s now getting around 200k per video.
You don’t make a dime on subscribers who don’t watch your videos. You get paid per click or watchtime, depending on whether you’re a YT Red subscriber or not.
There isn’t typically an AmazingPhil video that doesn’t hit 1,5 million views in about a few weeks, and there typically isn’t a danisnotonfire video that doesn’t get to 2 million views in the same period of time.
That has been a trend for years.
Both Dan and Phil do really, really well on YT. Individually and as a duo. And the fact that they’re years in and have still managed to keep people interested is a far better indicator of that than a subscriber milestone.
And yeah, sure, you might want Phil to have 6kk, too. Hell, you might want him to have 10kk subscribers. That’s fine. But success cannot be actually measured in deserving, it’s a weird mixture of chance and daring and hard work and sheer stupid luck.
But what I want you to step back from and reconsider is feeling in any way sorry for Phil. Because he’s in the Top 400 on a site of billions, he’s not lost inspiration or determination in 10 years, people still want to watch his videos, he’s currently touring the world, and he probably makes more money than some small developing states.
And trying to convince yourself otherwise just cause the dude he works & lives with, whose success he shares, has higher numbers - why? I can’t help but feel like that reduces Phil to someone to measure Dan’s success by & vice versa.
So yeah. I do want tell you to subscribe to Phil if you wanna, cause he’s awesome, and same goes for Dan.
But mostly? I just kind of wish we stopped embarrassing Phil. Cause he does pretty damn fine for himself, if you ask me.
(sorry if the tone is a bit weird, I was writing it out of frustration with "Poor Underappreciated Phil" posts that, to me, come off mostly degrading him and his success.)
I made this Tumbl post and reading back yesterday's convo, it might be semi-relevant here, too, so I figured I'd repost it.
Hey so facts are nice, aren’t they?
Dan has, as of 8/12/16, roughly 6,003 million subscribers. That makes him the 182th most subscribed YT channel.
Phil has, as of 8/12/1, roughly 3,694 million subscribers. That makes him the 377th most subscribed YT channel.
There are over 2440 YT channels with over a million subscribers.
Youtube has more than a billion users. 300 hours of video are uploaded to it each minute.
There are millions of people trying to make it, billions of people imagining what it’d be like to try, thousands upon thousands of people struggling to hold on to the interest they once held.
Dan gains around 19k subscribers a week, Phil gains about 16k a week. Both of their channels continue to grow, and the numbers are neither huge nor disappointing, they fall somewhere in the middle and suggest steady growth over a long period of time.
Dan’s biggest subscriber spike dates back years, they’ve actually been gaining subs in similar speed for a very long time now.
Now, when I say they’re not impressive, there are channels with similar view & sub count as theirs that gain several times more per week. ThatcherJoe gains around 60k per week, as does Caspar Lee.
When I say they’re also not disappointing, you can look at Tyler Oakley, who has over 8 million subscribers but has actually been losing about 5k subscribers a week.
What should also be noted is that sub count is hardly everything. Marcus Butler has 4,5 million subscribers, for instance, but his videos are hitting somewhere around 300 - 600k. Charlie McDonnel has 2,3 million subscribers and despite once making videos that would hit several millions of views each, he’s now getting around 200k per video.
You don’t make a dime on subscribers who don’t watch your videos. You get paid per click or watchtime, depending on whether you’re a YT Red subscriber or not.
There isn’t typically an AmazingPhil video that doesn’t hit 1,5 million views in about a few weeks, and there typically isn’t a danisnotonfire video that doesn’t get to 2 million views in the same period of time.
That has been a trend for years.
Both Dan and Phil do really, really well on YT. Individually and as a duo. And the fact that they’re years in and have still managed to keep people interested is a far better indicator of that than a subscriber milestone.
And yeah, sure, you might want Phil to have 6kk, too. Hell, you might want him to have 10kk subscribers. That’s fine. But success cannot be actually measured in deserving, it’s a weird mixture of chance and daring and hard work and sheer stupid luck.
But what I want you to step back from and reconsider is feeling in any way sorry for Phil. Because he’s in the Top 400 on a site of billions, he’s not lost inspiration or determination in 10 years, people still want to watch his videos, he’s currently touring the world, and he probably makes more money than some small developing states.
And trying to convince yourself otherwise just cause the dude he works & lives with, whose success he shares, has higher numbers - why? I can’t help but feel like that reduces Phil to someone to measure Dan’s success by & vice versa.
So yeah. I do want tell you to subscribe to Phil if you wanna, cause he’s awesome, and same goes for Dan.
But mostly? I just kind of wish we stopped embarrassing Phil. Cause he does pretty damn fine for himself, if you ask me.
(sorry if the tone is a bit weird, I was writing it out of frustration with "Poor Underappreciated Phil" posts that, to me, come off mostly degrading him and his success.)
phamnotof wrote:I made this Tumbl post and reading back yesterday's convo, it might be semi-relevant here, too, so I figured I'd repost it.
Hey so facts are nice, aren’t they?
Dan has, as of 8/12/16, roughly 6,003 million subscribers. That makes him the 182th most subscribed YT channel.
Phil has, as of 8/12/1, roughly 3,694 million subscribers. That makes him the 377th most subscribed YT channel.
There are over 2440 YT channels with over a million subscribers.
Youtube has more than a billion users. 300 hours of video are uploaded to it each minute.
There are millions of people trying to make it, billions of people imagining what it’d be like to try, thousands upon thousands of people struggling to hold on to the interest they once held.
Dan gains around 19k subscribers a week, Phil gains about 16k a week. Both of their channels continue to grow, and the numbers are neither huge nor disappointing, they fall somewhere in the middle and suggest steady growth over a long period of time.
Dan’s biggest subscriber spike dates back years, they’ve actually been gaining subs in similar speed for a very long time now.
Now, when I say they’re not impressive, there are channels with similar view & sub count as theirs that gain several times more per week. ThatcherJoe gains around 60k per week, as does Caspar Lee.
When I say they’re also not disappointing, you can look at Tyler Oakley, who has over 8 million subscribers but has actually been losing about 5k subscribers a week.
What should also be noted is that sub count is hardly everything. Marcus Butler has 4,5 million subscribers, for instance, but his videos are hitting somewhere around 300 - 600k. Charlie McDonnel has 2,3 million subscribers and despite once making videos that would hit several millions of views each, he’s now getting around 200k per video.
You don’t make a dime on subscribers who don’t watch your videos. You get paid per click or watchtime, depending on whether you’re a YT Red subscriber or not.
There isn’t typically an AmazingPhil video that doesn’t hit 1,5 million views in about a few weeks, and there typically isn’t a danisnotonfire video that doesn’t get to 2 million views in the same period of time.
That has been a trend for years.
Both Dan and Phil do really, really well on YT. Individually and as a duo. And the fact that they’re years in and have still managed to keep people interested is a far better indicator of that than a subscriber milestone.
And yeah, sure, you might want Phil to have 6kk, too. Hell, you might want him to have 10kk subscribers. That’s fine. But success cannot be actually measured in deserving, it’s a weird mixture of chance and daring and hard work and sheer stupid luck.
But what I want you to step back from and reconsider is feeling in any way sorry for Phil. Because he’s in the Top 400 on a site of billions, he’s not lost inspiration or determination in 10 years, people still want to watch his videos, he’s currently touring the world, and he probably makes more money than some small developing states.
And trying to convince yourself otherwise just cause the dude he works & lives with, whose success he shares, has higher numbers - why? I can’t help but feel like that reduces Phil to someone to measure Dan’s success by & vice versa.
So yeah. I do want tell you to subscribe to Phil if you wanna, cause he’s awesome, and same goes for Dan.
But mostly? I just kind of wish we stopped embarrassing Phil. Cause he does pretty damn fine for himself, if you ask me.
(sorry if the tone is a bit weird, I was writing it out of frustration with "Poor Underappreciated Phil" posts that, to me, come off mostly degrading him and his success.)
This is amazing, this post is amazing and you are amazing for compiling that and I agree with you in all your points
(thank you!)
phamnotof wrote:I made this Tumbl post and reading back yesterday's convo, it might be semi-relevant here, too, so I figured I'd repost it.
Hey so facts are nice, aren’t they?
Dan has, as of 8/12/16, roughly 6,003 million subscribers. That makes him the 182th most subscribed YT channel.
Phil has, as of 8/12/1, roughly 3,694 million subscribers. That makes him the 377th most subscribed YT channel.
There are over 2440 YT channels with over a million subscribers.
Youtube has more than a billion users. 300 hours of video are uploaded to it each minute.
There are millions of people trying to make it, billions of people imagining what it’d be like to try, thousands upon thousands of people struggling to hold on to the interest they once held.
Dan gains around 19k subscribers a week, Phil gains about 16k a week. Both of their channels continue to grow, and the numbers are neither huge nor disappointing, they fall somewhere in the middle and suggest steady growth over a long period of time.
Dan’s biggest subscriber spike dates back years, they’ve actually been gaining subs in similar speed for a very long time now.
Now, when I say they’re not impressive, there are channels with similar view & sub count as theirs that gain several times more per week. ThatcherJoe gains around 60k per week, as does Caspar Lee.
When I say they’re also not disappointing, you can look at Tyler Oakley, who has over 8 million subscribers but has actually been losing about 5k subscribers a week.
What should also be noted is that sub count is hardly everything. Marcus Butler has 4,5 million subscribers, for instance, but his videos are hitting somewhere around 300 - 600k. Charlie McDonnel has 2,3 million subscribers and despite once making videos that would hit several millions of views each, he’s now getting around 200k per video.
You don’t make a dime on subscribers who don’t watch your videos. You get paid per click or watchtime, depending on whether you’re a YT Red subscriber or not.
There isn’t typically an AmazingPhil video that doesn’t hit 1,5 million views in about a few weeks, and there typically isn’t a danisnotonfire video that doesn’t get to 2 million views in the same period of time.
That has been a trend for years.
Both Dan and Phil do really, really well on YT. Individually and as a duo. And the fact that they’re years in and have still managed to keep people interested is a far better indicator of that than a subscriber milestone.
And yeah, sure, you might want Phil to have 6kk, too. Hell, you might want him to have 10kk subscribers. That’s fine. But success cannot be actually measured in deserving, it’s a weird mixture of chance and daring and hard work and sheer stupid luck.
But what I want you to step back from and reconsider is feeling in any way sorry for Phil. Because he’s in the Top 400 on a site of billions, he’s not lost inspiration or determination in 10 years, people still want to watch his videos, he’s currently touring the world, and he probably makes more money than some small developing states.
And trying to convince yourself otherwise just cause the dude he works & lives with, whose success he shares, has higher numbers - why? I can’t help but feel like that reduces Phil to someone to measure Dan’s success by & vice versa.
So yeah. I do want tell you to subscribe to Phil if you wanna, cause he’s awesome, and same goes for Dan.
But mostly? I just kind of wish we stopped embarrassing Phil. Cause he does pretty damn fine for himself, if you ask me.
(sorry if the tone is a bit weird, I was writing it out of frustration with "Poor Underappreciated Phil" posts that, to me, come off mostly degrading him and his success.)
Does anyone know what is going on with Dan Howell's Instagram account . On some peoples accounts it says he has no post. Then there's this guy saying he aid hacked his Instagram to glitch out and unless he gets 10k Dan won't get his account back .
'Never take ice cream from a guy named Wyatt' - Rex Everybody wants to be Poppy
trinitypixi wrote:Does anyone know what is going on with Dan Howell's Instagram account . On some peoples accounts it says he has no post. Then there's this guy saying he aid hacked his Instagram to glitch out and unless he gets 10k Dan won't get his account back .
trinitypixi wrote:Does anyone know what is going on with Dan Howell's Instagram account . On some peoples accounts it says he has no post. Then there's this guy saying he aid hacked his Instagram to glitch out and unless he gets 10k Dan won't get his account back .
His insta looks fine to me but tbh I wouldn't worry about it even if it is hacked because instagram (from what I've seen happening to other youtubers/celebrities) solves these issues quicker than most
(flashbacks to when they hacked tanya burr and deleted everything and like 4 hours later she had everything back to normal)
Good post phamnotof.
I couldn't agree more with you. I also get frustrated with the poor Phil mentality the phandom seems to embrace from time to time. As you say while Phil might not be as successful as Dan he is still more successful than most.
If you think back to the youtube scene Phil came up on the vast majority of those people never even managed to get big enough to make youtube a viable career. Phil not only did but he makes serious bank doing it. He is a genuine success story every other way you look at it unless you choose to look at it from the angle that anything less than Dan is failing.
pearshaped34 wrote:Good post phamnotof.
I couldn't agree more with you. I also get frustrated with the poor Phil mentality the phandom seems to embrace from time to time. As you say while Phil might not be as successful as Dan he is still more successful than most.
If you think back to the youtube scene Phil came up on the vast majority of those people never even managed to get big enough to make youtube a viable career. Phil not only did but he makes serious bank doing it. He is a genuine success story every other way you look at it unless you choose to look at it from the angle that anything less than Dan is failing.
Very good points in addition to a great original post.
Yeah, whatever's happening with the insta account, backups are there.
phamnotof wrote:I made this Tumbl post and reading back yesterday's convo, it might be semi-relevant here, too, so I figured I'd repost it.
Hey so facts are nice, aren’t they?
Dan has, as of 8/12/16, roughly 6,003 million subscribers. That makes him the 182th most subscribed YT channel.
Phil has, as of 8/12/1, roughly 3,694 million subscribers. That makes him the 377th most subscribed YT channel.
There are over 2440 YT channels with over a million subscribers.
Youtube has more than a billion users. 300 hours of video are uploaded to it each minute.
There are millions of people trying to make it, billions of people imagining what it’d be like to try, thousands upon thousands of people struggling to hold on to the interest they once held.
Dan gains around 19k subscribers a week, Phil gains about 16k a week. Both of their channels continue to grow, and the numbers are neither huge nor disappointing, they fall somewhere in the middle and suggest steady growth over a long period of time.
Dan’s biggest subscriber spike dates back years, they’ve actually been gaining subs in similar speed for a very long time now.
Now, when I say they’re not impressive, there are channels with similar view & sub count as theirs that gain several times more per week. ThatcherJoe gains around 60k per week, as does Caspar Lee.
When I say they’re also not disappointing, you can look at Tyler Oakley, who has over 8 million subscribers but has actually been losing about 5k subscribers a week.
What should also be noted is that sub count is hardly everything. Marcus Butler has 4,5 million subscribers, for instance, but his videos are hitting somewhere around 300 - 600k. Charlie McDonnel has 2,3 million subscribers and despite once making videos that would hit several millions of views each, he’s now getting around 200k per video.
You don’t make a dime on subscribers who don’t watch your videos. You get paid per click or watchtime, depending on whether you’re a YT Red subscriber or not.
There isn’t typically an AmazingPhil video that doesn’t hit 1,5 million views in about a few weeks, and there typically isn’t a danisnotonfire video that doesn’t get to 2 million views in the same period of time.
That has been a trend for years.
Both Dan and Phil do really, really well on YT. Individually and as a duo. And the fact that they’re years in and have still managed to keep people interested is a far better indicator of that than a subscriber milestone.
And yeah, sure, you might want Phil to have 6kk, too. Hell, you might want him to have 10kk subscribers. That’s fine. But success cannot be actually measured in deserving, it’s a weird mixture of chance and daring and hard work and sheer stupid luck.
But what I want you to step back from and reconsider is feeling in any way sorry for Phil. Because he’s in the Top 400 on a site of billions, he’s not lost inspiration or determination in 10 years, people still want to watch his videos, he’s currently touring the world, and he probably makes more money than some small developing states.
And trying to convince yourself otherwise just cause the dude he works & lives with, whose success he shares, has higher numbers - why? I can’t help but feel like that reduces Phil to someone to measure Dan’s success by & vice versa.
So yeah. I do want tell you to subscribe to Phil if you wanna, cause he’s awesome, and same goes for Dan.
But mostly? I just kind of wish we stopped embarrassing Phil. Cause he does pretty damn fine for himself, if you ask me.
(sorry if the tone is a bit weird, I was writing it out of frustration with "Poor Underappreciated Phil" posts that, to me, come off mostly degrading him and his success.)
Beautifully put into words everything I was feeling. Subscribers do not matter in the slightest. You could have millions of subscribers and only get 15K views on a video.
It don't mean shit. Phil is one of the most successful vloggers on YouTube. He hasn't changed what he does and he is still is growing.
I saw this on Twitter (i don't think it has been shared)
Why do people even bother?! Make No sense to me to even do that. It is don't like they are going to suddenly kiss on stage because they got asked to for a 7sc
"You can't just pull it out and put it in without a plan." Dan Howell 2015
Regarding the meet and greet being only a few seconds long, what did people expect/didn't they see anything from the USA m&gs. It's literally hello > shall I take a photo I've got long arms > thanks for coming. There are obviously people who get a bit longer (& then get told sorry no more move along please) but if people at expecting to spend 5 minutes with them then soz not gonna happen. This is why I don't particularly agree with paying so much extra for a robot conversation and photo but each to their own.
Also those tour Twitter accounts really make me cringe. The American one was always posting out information acting like they were some official site when most of the time the information was incorrect. I remember when Dan said in a liveshow not to hold up signs anymore as it stopped the people behind being able to see and the Twitter account just posted constantly about not posting them as Dan hated it. Cringe af.
Also, if the next thread goes over 40 pages don't worry, it's not a forum necessity to make a new thread at exactly 40 page, if it goes a few over then that is fine. Once a mod gets online they will make the next thread
phamnotof wrote:I made this Tumbl post and reading back yesterday's convo, it might be semi-relevant here, too, so I figured I'd repost it.
Hey so facts are nice, aren’t they?
Dan has, as of 8/12/16, roughly 6,003 million subscribers. That makes him the 182th most subscribed YT channel.
Phil has, as of 8/12/1, roughly 3,694 million subscribers. That makes him the 377th most subscribed YT channel.
There are over 2440 YT channels with over a million subscribers.
Youtube has more than a billion users. 300 hours of video are uploaded to it each minute.
There are millions of people trying to make it, billions of people imagining what it’d be like to try, thousands upon thousands of people struggling to hold on to the interest they once held.
Dan gains around 19k subscribers a week, Phil gains about 16k a week. Both of their channels continue to grow, and the numbers are neither huge nor disappointing, they fall somewhere in the middle and suggest steady growth over a long period of time.
Dan’s biggest subscriber spike dates back years, they’ve actually been gaining subs in similar speed for a very long time now.
Now, when I say they’re not impressive, there are channels with similar view & sub count as theirs that gain several times more per week. ThatcherJoe gains around 60k per week, as does Caspar Lee.
When I say they’re also not disappointing, you can look at Tyler Oakley, who has over 8 million subscribers but has actually been losing about 5k subscribers a week.
What should also be noted is that sub count is hardly everything. Marcus Butler has 4,5 million subscribers, for instance, but his videos are hitting somewhere around 300 - 600k. Charlie McDonnel has 2,3 million subscribers and despite once making videos that would hit several millions of views each, he’s now getting around 200k per video.
You don’t make a dime on subscribers who don’t watch your videos. You get paid per click or watchtime, depending on whether you’re a YT Red subscriber or not.
There isn’t typically an AmazingPhil video that doesn’t hit 1,5 million views in about a few weeks, and there typically isn’t a danisnotonfire video that doesn’t get to 2 million views in the same period of time.
That has been a trend for years.
Both Dan and Phil do really, really well on YT. Individually and as a duo. And the fact that they’re years in and have still managed to keep people interested is a far better indicator of that than a subscriber milestone.
And yeah, sure, you might want Phil to have 6kk, too. Hell, you might want him to have 10kk subscribers. That’s fine. But success cannot be actually measured in deserving, it’s a weird mixture of chance and daring and hard work and sheer stupid luck.
But what I want you to step back from and reconsider is feeling in any way sorry for Phil. Because he’s in the Top 400 on a site of billions, he’s not lost inspiration or determination in 10 years, people still want to watch his videos, he’s currently touring the world, and he probably makes more money than some small developing states.
And trying to convince yourself otherwise just cause the dude he works & lives with, whose success he shares, has higher numbers - why? I can’t help but feel like that reduces Phil to someone to measure Dan’s success by & vice versa.
So yeah. I do want tell you to subscribe to Phil if you wanna, cause he’s awesome, and same goes for Dan.
But mostly? I just kind of wish we stopped embarrassing Phil. Cause he does pretty damn fine for himself, if you ask me.
(sorry if the tone is a bit weird, I was writing it out of frustration with "Poor Underappreciated Phil" posts that, to me, come off mostly degrading him and his success.)
Just saw that on my dash and came here to post it! Great post
Re: twitter 7sc thing - that is pretty cringe. "Disgusting" is a little harsh in my opinon as it's probably teenage girls who didn't really think about it that much except for the ~lols~ they got out of it, but that's twitter for ya.
It's kind of a shame meetups go so quickly as people really do pay a ton of money for them. I mean, obviously they can't go on for ages, but a little bit longer would be nice. I didn't get VIP when I went to TATINOF because I'm broke af, and I'm kind of glad I didn't because I just don't think it's worth it for what you get.
~previously known as stella2000~ I hardly ever comment, but rest assured I read every single post. I am a professional lurker.
stella wrote:It's kind of a shame meetups go so quickly as people really do pay a ton of money for them. I mean, obviously they can't go on for ages, but a little bit longer would be nice. I didn't get VIP when I went to TATINOF because I'm broke af, and I'm kind of glad I didn't because I just don't think it's worth it for what you get.
I agree. When I didn't get VIP I was bummed, but as the show got closer I realized I was actually kinda glad I wasn't able to buy a VIP ticket. That much money for one photo and getting a book signed? Plus, I was able to go to the show with some friends, and I realized I valued that experience much more than I would have the experience of meeting D&P for 30 seconds tops, and not being able to see my friends at all.
stella wrote:It's kind of a shame meetups go so quickly as people really do pay a ton of money for them. I mean, obviously they can't go on for ages, but a little bit longer would be nice. I didn't get VIP when I went to TATINOF because I'm broke af, and I'm kind of glad I didn't because I just don't think it's worth it for what you get.
I agree. When I didn't get VIP I was bummed, but as the show got closer I realized I was actually kinda glad I wasn't able to buy a VIP ticket. That much money for one photo and getting a book signed? Plus, I was able to go to the show with some friends, and I realized I valued that experience much more than I would have the experience of meeting D&P for 30 seconds tops, and not being able to see my friends at all.
I will point out the m&g cost includes a best in house seat, too. In the end I opted for the m&g not primarily for meeting them but for the chance to get in one of the front rows, since I am a very short person.
But I also am a defender of the m&g experience, too. I may not personally get much out of seeing them up close and personal but a lot of people do and the value really comes down to personal priorities. And if I were going to meet them, I prefer to do it in a time and place where they've signed on to meet fans.
alittledizzy wrote:
I will point out the m&g cost includes a best in house seat, too. In the end I opted for the m&g not primarily for meeting them but for the chance to get in one of the front rows, since I am a very short person.
But I also am a defender of the m&g experience, too. I may not personally get much out of seeing them up close and personal but a lot of people do and the value really comes down to personal priorities. And if I were going to meet them, I prefer to do it in a time and place where they've signed on to meet fans.
I agree with this. Although it's a lot of money I feel like it's worth it for some people, myself included. I didn't buy a VIP seat because my venue sold them out too fast, but I would've if I could have. It's similar to Vidcon. People pay anywhere from $300 to over a thousand dollars to fly to Vidcon, stay in a hotel, get a pass, and meet some youtubers. If you think about it Vidcon is a much more expensive experience than a $100 M&G ticket for Dan and Phil, but it's probably about proportional if you think about how much else you get with Vidcon. What I'm trying to say is I don't see a big difference between paying for Vidcon and paying for a M&G at TATINOF. I think either way you're meeting youtubers and paying for it, but that's worth it to some people. Certainly for me. I really liked seeing them in person when I got to and taking a picture that I'll have forever. It definitely meant a lot to me. Unfortunately I understand that not everyone can afford that, but as dizzy said, it's best to meet them at a time where they're expecting to meet fans. So it really is the only way to go right now.
[offtopic] this just popped up in my recommended videos, she went to school with Dan. (4:15 - 5:05) She doesn't say a lot about Dan as a wee lad but it's cool anyway [/offtopic]
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stella wrote:[offtopic] this just popped up in my recommended videos, she went to school with Dan. (4:15 - 5:05) She doesn't say a lot about Dan as a wee lad but it's cool anyway [/offtopic]
phamnotof wrote:I made this Tumbl post and reading back yesterday's convo, it might be semi-relevant here, too, so I figured I'd repost it.
Hey so facts are nice, aren’t they?
Dan has, as of 8/12/16, roughly 6,003 million subscribers. That makes him the 182th most subscribed YT channel.
Phil has, as of 8/12/1, roughly 3,694 million subscribers. That makes him the 377th most subscribed YT channel.
There are over 2440 YT channels with over a million subscribers.
Youtube has more than a billion users. 300 hours of video are uploaded to it each minute.
There are millions of people trying to make it, billions of people imagining what it’d be like to try, thousands upon thousands of people struggling to hold on to the interest they once held.
Dan gains around 19k subscribers a week, Phil gains about 16k a week. Both of their channels continue to grow, and the numbers are neither huge nor disappointing, they fall somewhere in the middle and suggest steady growth over a long period of time.
Dan’s biggest subscriber spike dates back years, they’ve actually been gaining subs in similar speed for a very long time now.
Now, when I say they’re not impressive, there are channels with similar view & sub count as theirs that gain several times more per week. ThatcherJoe gains around 60k per week, as does Caspar Lee.
When I say they’re also not disappointing, you can look at Tyler Oakley, who has over 8 million subscribers but has actually been losing about 5k subscribers a week.
What should also be noted is that sub count is hardly everything. Marcus Butler has 4,5 million subscribers, for instance, but his videos are hitting somewhere around 300 - 600k. Charlie McDonnel has 2,3 million subscribers and despite once making videos that would hit several millions of views each, he’s now getting around 200k per video.
You don’t make a dime on subscribers who don’t watch your videos. You get paid per click or watchtime, depending on whether you’re a YT Red subscriber or not.
There isn’t typically an AmazingPhil video that doesn’t hit 1,5 million views in about a few weeks, and there typically isn’t a danisnotonfire video that doesn’t get to 2 million views in the same period of time.
That has been a trend for years.
Both Dan and Phil do really, really well on YT. Individually and as a duo. And the fact that they’re years in and have still managed to keep people interested is a far better indicator of that than a subscriber milestone.
And yeah, sure, you might want Phil to have 6kk, too. Hell, you might want him to have 10kk subscribers. That’s fine. But success cannot be actually measured in deserving, it’s a weird mixture of chance and daring and hard work and sheer stupid luck.
But what I want you to step back from and reconsider is feeling in any way sorry for Phil. Because he’s in the Top 400 on a site of billions, he’s not lost inspiration or determination in 10 years, people still want to watch his videos, he’s currently touring the world, and he probably makes more money than some small developing states.
And trying to convince yourself otherwise just cause the dude he works & lives with, whose success he shares, has higher numbers - why? I can’t help but feel like that reduces Phil to someone to measure Dan’s success by & vice versa.
So yeah. I do want tell you to subscribe to Phil if you wanna, cause he’s awesome, and same goes for Dan.
But mostly? I just kind of wish we stopped embarrassing Phil. Cause he does pretty damn fine for himself, if you ask me.
(sorry if the tone is a bit weird, I was writing it out of frustration with "Poor Underappreciated Phil" posts that, to me, come off mostly degrading him and his success.)
It was nice to see the statistics laid out in one place, thanks!
Particularly Phil, one of their biggest successes on Youtube has been their retention of subscribers. As you pointed out, it really is striking in comparison to the likes of Marcus & Tyler & Charlie. Leaping off this, I personally would prefer for YouTube to take on a stat similar to Spotify. Instead of having the number of 'followers' displayed for an artist, Spotify includes 'Monthly Listeners', providing a far more accurate and up-to-date stat, reflecting the artist's current relevance. Of course, it would be incredibly galling seeing your monthly-viewers slowly decline. And the number of subscribers has a big place in Youtube culture at this point, so it would have to be as-well-as, rather than a direct replacement. Idk. I'm aware that you can get statistics similar to this on Social Blade, but I'm lazy af.
Another thing with Phil is his longevity. I forget the actual statistic, but circa 2009 he was a very big player on the British Youtube scene, and he retains that title. Just look at the fact that D&P have a stand at SITC despite their absence. (I really hope they have cardboard cutouts like last year, and other youtubers will look on in despair as more people take selfies with the inanimate objects than them. I'm mean.)
alittledizzy wrote:But I also am a defender of the m&g experience, too. I may not personally get much out of seeing them up close and personal but a lot of people do and the value really comes down to personal priorities. And if I were going to meet them, I prefer to do it in a time and place where they've signed on to meet fans.
Coming from someone who has zero desire to meet Dan or Phil, I agree with this. I suppose maybe the attraction for meeting them in a ~natural, ~spontaneous way is that you'll encounter the 'real them', as opposed to the m&g script. But then you could say that even the m&g script is helpful: they're able to say exactly what they /want/ to say since they're prepared, smooth over any fluffed moments, and there's a clear exit strategy. In comparison to meeting them in an airport for instance, it seems more fulfilling and less stressful to me. But then, the cost is a big factor. As you say, personal priorities. It does baffle me when people don't do their research, and then subsequently get upset when their fantasy of having a leisurely cuppa with dan or phil doesn't transpire.
missemma wrote:Also those tour Twitter accounts really make me cringe. The American one was always posting out information acting like they were some official site when most of the time the information was incorrect. I remember when Dan said in a liveshow not to hold up signs anymore as it stopped the people behind being able to see and the Twitter account just posted constantly about not posting them as Dan hated it. Cringe af.
It's funny how we have kinda heightened expectations of these kind of update accounts. If I had the inclination, I could set up a nice twitter profile with a rushed photoshop icon and laugh manically when I tweet out utterly fantastical stories about how Phil was slain with a machete and died in Dan's arms while a violin quartet struck up. We're pretty lucky with updatedphan being pretty on the ball and strong on fact-checking, but some of the tour accounts are slight trainwrecks. I guess you have to be /slightly/ officious (?) to want to be an authority on these things, even if the resources are useful. But anyway, I suppose their authority is generated by follows/attention from the phandom, so it's all cyclical and the shit ones will lose trust over time. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Dan Howell wrote:Remember kids, this is just me talking shit.
If his hair was already wavy for the M&G I personally feel like it would have been a waste of time for him to straighten it 
We're pretty lucky with updatedphan being pretty on the ball and strong on fact-checking, but some of the tour accounts are slight trainwrecks. I guess you have to be /slightly/ officious (?) to want to be an authority on these things, even if the resources are useful. But anyway, I suppose their authority is generated by follows/attention from the phandom, so it's all cyclical and the shit ones will lose trust over time. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯