Well, we did get Phil admitting he's not going to listen to K-pop, that it only happens when they film with the Fine bros.Kathrynxjane wrote:Ughdanphil333 wrote:
how many kpop react videos do you need in your life?
0.20 seconds in and phil is so over it
Not even going to bother watching unless someone says it is good.
Ugh indeed. I just watched it, but don't really recommend you do so as well. Won't be missing much.Kathrynxjane wrote:Ughdanphil333 wrote:
how many kpop react videos do you need in your life?
0.20 seconds in and phil is so over it
Not even going to bother watching unless someone says it is good.
[offtopic]Tomska made a video explaining youtube ad money where he explains that as his channel gets around 10million views a month he can get a cheque anywhere between £3000 to £10000 from ad revenues in that month.Lurktacularr wrote: Oh and edit do they really only get like $2k for a 2m vid?? Surely its way more than that or smaller youtubers wouldn't be making a living?
three years and five episodes later they finally "broke" him. it felt like it was a scream for help from phil. he cant take it any longer... same questions same answers.SquishPhan wrote:
Phil's reaction at 20 seconds in was great, he is over it and so am I.
Also liked Phil admitting that kpop just isn't for him and he won't go and listen to it.
Totally agree, I've found all the reacts this year so boring. It's not just the vids featuring Dan and Phil either, all the fine bros react vids have been boring for the past while. I think they're running out of ideas...danphil333 wrote:three years and five episodes later they finally "broke" him. it felt like it was a scream for help from phil. he cant take it any longer... same questions same answers.SquishPhan wrote:
Phil's reaction at 20 seconds in was great, he is over it and so am I.
Also liked Phil admitting that kpop just isn't for him and he won't go and listen to it.
just stop making him react to them. have some sympathy for the poor man.
i didnt like any of the react videos this year. NONE.
only good thing from these videos was phils voice. so deep and sexy.
I definitely think part of the phandom is becoming a little obsessed with trying to get D&P to be Super Progressive Gender-Norm-Breaking™. I also understand why people would want to see that from them, but at some point, you have to take a step back. Sometimes people don't consider the fact that just because D&P are against gender norms (from what we've seen), that doesn't mean they're going to be the ones going out there and breaking them.eevee wrote:Re: nail polish. Will everyone who pushed for Dan to paint his nails actually feel satisfaction when or if he does it? It’s a good point that Dan probably will be doing it because he actually wants to, but on the flip side, there’s literally no way for him to do it now without acknowledging that the fans really want him to do it. In other words there’s no way anymore for him to do it independently of the fan’s demanding it since he’s well aware that it’s something a lot of people want. So therefore there will certainly be some influence by the fans. Now the fans wanting him to do it can either influence him to not want to paint them or influence him to paint them. I honestly don’t think he’s able to completely ignore it. Yes he chooses to read out those messages but perhaps that’s because of the sheer number of them. I feel like at this point, if Dan painted his nails, I would have no way of knowing if he actually wanted to do it or not, because the fans have made it such a big deal. If I had advocated for it, I wouldn’t feel satisfaction once he did it, because I would know I influenced it at least a little bit. If I wanted Dan to do something, I’d wait for him to choose to do it on his own.
I think pressuring someone to express gender a certain way isn't cool, whether it be within a norm or not. I understand the desire for Dan to break gender norms, or anyone for that matter, gender roles are harmful, but don't you think it's also a little harmful to strongly encourage someone to express gender a way you want to see them express it?
Tl;dr The fans want him to break gender norms, but will they really be happy once he does if it’s only to appease them?
Re: Youtubers react:
This is my exact reaction to nail polish discussions. Dan will paint his nails if he wants to; he won't do it if he doesn't want to. Just look at him constantly straightening his hair even though, when his hair is curly, it's all people can talk about. However, the last thing he wants is it made a big deal out of (like his sexuality), so my guess is that he will do it once (if at all), in a situation that's casual, not attention-seeking, then probably go the route or brush it off. I don't mind being proven wrong, though.eevee wrote:Re: Youtubers react:
Yes. ^ I was going to recommend these vids. Thanks for posting it. A rough estimate is £1 per mil adult views (a "mil" is 1,000,) and the viewer must have watched the ads to count. Viewers are rated by their demographic, with younger teens and tweens not as valuable to advertisers - thus their view pays less - as older teens, and particularly 18-49 y.o. adults that are assumed to have money and spending authority. The formulas can get complex, but you get the basic idea. Therefore, a video with 2M views could potentially pay £2,000 if the viewers were all adults. If it was mostly younger teens, it would pay significantly less. I said $2,000 in my post because the pound is running like $1.30 now, and a slight down adjustment for teen viewers. The other thing to consider is their talent agency takes a 10-20% cut, and when ChannelFlip (a MCN) was involved, they probably took another 20%. Anyway, taking these numbers in consideration, it's easy to see why #spon is important to bigger YouTubers because it potentially pays them a lot more than a standard vid. I think that there's really only a few YouTubers who really make "bank," (from YouTube alone) or what I would consider a shitton of money - a lot of hype and misconception out there.pearshaped34 wrote:[offtopic]Tomska made a video explaining youtube ad money where he explains that as his channel gets around 10million views a month he can get a cheque anywhere between £3000 to £10000 from ad revenues in that month.Lurktacularr wrote: Oh and edit do they really only get like $2k for a 2m vid?? Surely its way more than that or smaller youtubers wouldn't be making a living?
How much a youtuber gets paid per ad depends on how niche their audience is, as Dan and Phil's audience are mostly teenagers who are also watching everything else on YT they'll likely be somewhere on the bottom end of the pay scale per view. Luckily for them they get enough views that this will still means they make good money.
And based on this I've also wondered how the smaller youtubers manage to have youtube as their primary income source.
If your interested in the topic the video explains the basics. He also made another one explaining sponsor videos.
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Phil Lester wrote:"I'll rub myself in a mango before I eat a mango."
Both of you.lilMango wrote:I agree with all of this.eevee wrote:Re: nail polish. Will everyone who pushed for Dan to paint his nails actually feel satisfaction when or if he does it? It’s a good point that Dan probably will be doing it because he actually wants to, but on the flip side, there’s literally no way for him to do it now without acknowledging that the fans really want him to do it. In other words there’s no way anymore for him to do it independently of the fan’s demanding it since he’s well aware that it’s something a lot of people want. So therefore there will certainly be some influence by the fans. Now the fans wanting him to do it can either influence him to not want to paint them or influence him to paint them. I honestly don’t think he’s able to completely ignore it. Yes he chooses to read out those messages but perhaps that’s because of the sheer number of them. I feel like at this point, if Dan painted his nails, I would have no way of knowing if he actually wanted to do it or not, because the fans have made it such a big deal. If I had advocated for it, I wouldn’t feel satisfaction once he did it, because I would know I influenced it at least a little bit. If I wanted Dan to do something, I’d wait for him to choose to do it on his own.
I think pressuring someone to express gender a certain way isn't cool, whether it be within a norm or not. I understand the desire for Dan to break gender norms, or anyone for that matter, gender roles are harmful, but don't you think it's also a little harmful to strongly encourage someone to express gender a way you want to see them express it?
Tl;dr The fans want him to break gender norms, but will they really be happy once he does if it’s only to appease them?
Re: Youtubers react:
Especially with this bit: "I think pressuring someone to express gender a certain way isn't cool, whether it be within a norm or not. I understand the desire for Dan to break gender norms, or anyone for that matter, gender roles are harmful, but don't you think it's also a little harmful to strongly encourage someone to express gender a way you want to see them express it?"
Because I see it a lot in other fandoms, too. It irks me a bit. Let people express their gender in a way that they're comfortable with. Encouraging is great, and it's great to know that he could paint his nails if he wants to, but it shouldn't get to a point where people are pushing him.
Well this was pretty disgusting. And their lovely comments on people who are now their own fansbluewho wrote:Re: Jack and DeanExactly. And not for the first time. I've hated them since this at 10:29 and 11:05:fancybum wrote:I've pinpointed the main issue (for me): they're two straight dudes making a joke of two probable not-straight dudes.Something about their comment that they 'gay it up for views' just rubs me up the wrong way big time. For two straight guys to talk about pretending to be homosexual to get views as if homosexuality is just something you can poke fun at and fetishize for manipulative capitalist purposes??
Philena wrote:I'm feeling really badly for poor Phil, who doesn't have his own trending safe sex hashtag. #takethepillforphil
Yes to all of this!!IckleMissMayhem wrote:Both of you.
I'm getting to the point where I am SO done with the demands for them (though mainly Dan, lbr) to do this, that, or the other. I’m so sick of it all to the point I kind of just want to yell “FOR THE LOVE OF GOD WILL YOU ALL JUST LAY OFF THE POOR GUY!!!” Two very good examples being the "paint your nails" thing and "pastel edits." I audibly groaned when Dan mentioned the "P-word" in the YTR tonight - though I'll admit that was partly because of all the interesting things they could have edited in, they chose to include THAT?!
Yes, people want positive role models/representation. That's natural. But doesn't it become somewhat completely valueless if it's only happening to appease a baying mob, and not, say, something the person concerned is doing of their own volition? If you want someone who represents you, go find a person who does that already. Don't try to mould someone else into acting/dressing/living their life to suit someone else's wishes.
Actually, I'll go a bit further, call it another form of fanbaiting, and put that on the same list as ship/queerbaiting for things I really don't want to see/have confirmed.
